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nutrition and diet forum mods

  • 25-09-2007 1:53pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭


    ok, i'm all for this forum, but for a start, it would probably be better suited to a subforum of fitness in some way.

    also, the choice of mods is, well confusing. i dont think i've EVER seen any of the moderators chosen contributing to diet or nutrition related threads in the fitness forum, so they obviously have either no interest in the area, or else they just dont care about helping others, neither of which are conducive to good moderating.

    personally i'm pretty shocked g'em wasn't made a moderator. anyone who even glances at the fitness forum will know that she really knows her stuff, and is always giving very helpful advice and thorough explanations of why x, y and z will or wont work.
    she's easily the most qualified to moderate the forum, why was she overlooked?
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    this forum was always going to be controversial


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    neuro-praxis seems to be doing a good job.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    There is more to life than the posters of the fitness forum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    they obviously have either no interest in the area
    Mods don't need to be experts in the material of the forum they moderate. Obviously, it would be nice if they were, but thats not what the job is about.
    they just dont care about helping others
    They wouldn't have accepted the job of moderator then, would they? It doesn't give as much power as people seem to think it does.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    I think modding diet and nutrition is something that shouldn't be given to just anybody, particularly someone who has a self confessed issue/problem with the areas.

    I don't know what qualifies either mod to determine what should and should not be allowed on such a forum and I would hate to think that bad advice might be allowed there.

    This is a serious issue for many people and should not be just given to the people/person who requested the forum.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭togster


    I agree with Amz. Some people shouldn't be allowed to mod a forum.
    Just because you started it doesn't mean you should. Some knowledge of the subject is required. I redict it will all end in tears.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Seraphina wrote:
    she's easily the most qualified to moderate the forum, why was she overlooked?

    Did she want the hassle in the first place?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,479 ✭✭✭catho_monster


    I was really looking forward to getting involved in this forum too when I saw it was up and running, but tbh, the attitute of the said mod has put me off already.
    - my 2c.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    I know nothing about the qualifications of said mods, but I would have thought if you are going to advise on something as specific as nutrition and diet, you would have to know what you're talking about?
    Otherwise could you not get yourself in trouble? Bit like not discussing medical issues on PI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,676 ✭✭✭✭smashey


    I was really looking forward to getting involved in this forum too when I saw it was up and running, but tbh, the attitute of the said mod has put me off already.
    - my 2c.
    I've had a look at most of the posts in there and I can't see the problem.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    Seraphina wrote:
    ok, i'm all for this forum, but for a start, it would probably be better suited to a subforum of fitness in some way.
    Why? It's for nutritional information. I don't see how that is more suited to Fitness than to Food & Drink. If I want to know the nutritional advantages of porridge, my first point of call should be Food & Drink, not Fitness.
    also, the choice of mods is, well confusing.
    She lobbied for the idea and she is a long-term established poster.
    i dont think i've EVER seen any of the moderators chosen contributing to diet or nutrition related threads in the fitness forum
    It's not a matter of fitness. It's a matter of eating well, which is distinct from being fit.
    so they obviously have either no interest in the area
    Obviously false, as the mod sought to establish the forum.
    or else they just dont care about helping others
    Declaration of interest here, the mod you speak of is a family member of mine. Regardless of people's opinions on her, I don't think anyone could claim that she doesn't care about helping others. That's such a false conclusion about it, it's actually a little amusing to me.
    neither of which are conducive to good moderating.
    Aside from the facts that she has an interest in nutrition cares about helping others, moderating has very little to do with this "good moderating" vibe people have. People have complimented me on my modding, but I'm almost always silent on Investments & Markets. This isn't because I don't know anything about it or I don't read the forum or I don't care about helping people who are worrying that their Post Office deposit account it too high-risk for their liking, it's just that I prefer to read than to actively post there.
    personally i'm pretty shocked g'em wasn't made a moderator. anyone who even glances at the fitness forum will know that she really knows her stuff, and is always giving very helpful advice and thorough explanations of why x, y and z will or wont work.
    That's fair enough, but that wouldn't necessarily make her a good mod. Sonnenblumen is a well-informed (albeit sometimes mis-behaved) poster in the Biz category. In my opinion, and I expect he'll debate this :D, he'd make an awful mod.
    she's easily the most qualified to moderate the forum, why was she overlooked?
    The site owners (well, one in particular) felt it was adequate to appoint neuro-praxis as mod. I'm not saying that no other mod is going to be added or what not, but what's the problem? Are you assuming she's going to do a bad job?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    Beruthiel wrote:
    I know nothing about the qualifications of said mods, but I would have thought if you are going to advise on something as specific as nutrition and diet, you would have to know what you're talking about?
    Otherwise could you not get yourself in trouble? Bit like not discussing medical issues on PI.
    It's not medical advice though, unless you consider (the PI equivalent) of telling someone to wash their face to get rid of spots "medical advice."


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    smashey wrote:
    I've had a look at most of the posts in there and I can't see the problem.

    +1 - I'm confused by the original statement there.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    smashey wrote:
    I've had a look at most of the posts in there and I can't see the problem.
    I just looked at all the posts in the forum, same.


    Also, a problem with weight is not the same as not knowing your stuff.
    I know nothing about the qualifications of said mods, but I would have thought if you are going to advise on something as specific as nutrition and diet, you would have to know what you're talking about?
    Otherwise could you not get yourself in trouble? Bit like not discussing medical issues on PI.
    I have not seen any bad advice in there yet, and if there is, myself an other posters will pull people up on it.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    Ibid wrote:
    It's not medical advice though

    No
    But if you are going to tell someone what they should or shouldn't be eating on a given diet, then you need to know what you are talking about.
    We all know what is good and bad for you to a degree, but I for one wouldn't consider myself qualified enough to discuss the nutrition part with someone looking for advice on the subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    Ibid wrote:
    It's not medical advice though, unless you consider (the PI equivalent) of telling someone to wash their face to get rid of spots "medical advice."
    Ibid, that's a pretty shoddy attitude, diet and nutritition are incredibly serious issues and as you should know they can have serious implications on an individuals health and well being.

    You're obviously going to defend neuro-praxis as she's a family member, but try and look at the issues logically and without that bias.

    She is not qualified to advise on such issues or decide on what is good/bad advice so should not be modding the forum.

    It should be moderated incredibly strictly and I feel that giving advice on such issues can be as serious as giving medical advice and as such should be treated as seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    well the only post I don't like so far is the foods to get you through the day style one.

    Other than that I think with a bit of guidance the current mod would be fine as she is eager, which is great

    Are there more qualified individuals? Yes. Are there more qualified people raising their hands to do the job. I don't see any hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    Vegeta wrote:
    well the only post I don't like so far is the foods to get you through the day style one.

    Other than that I think with a bit of guidance the current mod would be fine as she is eager, which is great

    Are there more qualified individuals? Yes. Are there more qualified people raising their hands to do the job. I don't see any hands.
    Not everyone is aware of the forum, and similarly not everyone reads the Forum proposals forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭amazingemmet


    Amz wrote:

    It should be moderated incredibly strictly and I feel that giving advice on such issues can be as serious as giving medical advice and as such should be treated as seriously.

    Don't know neuro-praxis so can't comment on him/her but I have to agree with amz on this one, Who ever mods the forum does need to know his her stuff regarding which is good/bad advice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,872 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I think neuro-praxis is fine as a mod... but it might be no harm to make G'em a mod there too as she is very well informed on nutritional matters (if she wants it that is).


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,112 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    fits wrote:
    I think neuro-praxis is fine as a mod... but it might be no harm to make G'em a mod there too as she is very well informed on nutritional matters (if she wants it that is).
    And if anybody needs meat or dairy fee help, turn to moi. ;-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Amz wrote:
    Not everyone is aware of the forum, and similarly not everyone reads the Forum proposals forum.


    hey don't get me wrong, I think it is a very serious issue and already question some topics and posts but until I see someone else standing up to take the reigns I think its unfair to bash the current mod.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    I just feel that the choice of mod should have been taken more seriously than it appears to have been taken.

    This is an area that can affect people's health and well being so just handing it to the first person to put their hand up can cause problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    Amz wrote:
    Ibid, that's a pretty shoddy attitude, diet and nutritition are incredibly serious issues and as you should know they can have serious implications on an individuals health and well being.
    I guess the divergence is what level the forum is pitched at. I completely agree that if it's a high-level "This is what you must eat" pitch, then it should be modded extremely carefully by pros, maybe even scrapped. If, on the other hand, it's a "I'm heading to college and want to eat reasonably well" forum - which is my impression of it - then I think I could probably mod it myself in all my bag of crisps goodness.

    The distinction here is very similar to that of Investments. If anyone says "What do you think of Bank of Ireland's share price?" they'll get a discussion of merits from people who know a thing or two about the industry, might have a personal stake and hence interest in the topic, but who are generally well below the level of professionals. And it gets on fine. Nobody goes there expecting everything to be precise but it's generally good to the average punter and I'm sure a few Boardsies will learn a few things and make a few pounds from it. All is well.

    Similarly, if the N&D forum is pitched at a "Well, college student, porridge is cheap and high in protein, what do you think of that?" level, I'm sure a few Boardsies will learn a few things lose a few pounds from it. All is well. (See what I did there?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    fits wrote:
    I think neuro-praxis is fine as a mod... but it might be no harm to make G'em a mod there too as she is very well informed on nutritional matters (if she wants it that is).

    Expressing my sentiments to the letter! I would like to see the currentmods stay in the position they are in but would like an Admin to approach g'em to see if she would be interested in modding also.

    It would be a very good idea if one of the fitness mods could copy over the fitness forum nutrition stickies to this new forum. They really are some of the best posts on the whole of boards.ie.

    It's obvious neuro-praxis is very interested in the forum and imo, will make a great mod. She does need to grab a hold of some of the posts in there and just nudge the posters in the right direction...differentiating between refined and unrefined carbs would be good for a start. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,468 ✭✭✭Evil Phil


    Maybe this should be a sub forum of Biology and Medicine with one of the B&M mods helping out?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭Seraphina


    well for a start, i didn't mention neuro-praxis anywhere in my post, why everyone is jumping to her defence and assuming i'm attacking her :rolleyes: Ibid, is beyond me. there are 5 moderators listed on that forum, i was referring to all of them in general tbh.

    secondly, i suggested fitness because thats where most nutritional/diet questions currently end up, and thats where they get all the best advice too.

    frankly, if you're going to have a bunch of women discussing weight watchers and how to squeeze chocolate into your day without gaining weight, it should be called portion control or losing weight, and not diet and nutrition.

    there has been very little in the way of actual proper nutrition advice, and no offence to neuro, i've met her and she's lovely, but i really dont think she can mod a diet and nutrition forum just cause she suggested it and she's managed to lose a few pounds recently. i haven't seen any of the other mods active on the forum.

    if you look on the fitness forum (i keep going back because thats where all the knowledge in this area comes from on boards) there are a number of people (not just g'em) who would be up to speed on alot more than just calorie counting when it comes to this stuff. in fact i'd almost go so far as to say that *i* probably know more about diet and nutrition than neuro.

    i'm not trying to piss anyone off here, and i'm not knocking neuro's moderating abilities, but i think there needs to be someone with more knowledge to correct misinformation (there's alot of it out there) which can be very dodgy when it comes to stuff like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    Ibid it's very easy to say that's it's only a general forum for college students, but that's taking away from the seriousness of it. People do take diet and nutrition very seriously, you have to go to university to get a degree to be qualified to give advice, I don't think neuro-praxis has such a qualification.

    Also, giving advice, no matter how trivial you might feel it is, on an internet forum can be quite dodgy, particularly when it can affect the health and well being of the person being advised. There is no way to follow up on advice and ensure that it is being followed properly.

    By naming the forum Diet and Nutrition you're immediately implying that that's the kind of advice/topic that will be discussed there. It is quite misleading if all you're going to do is talk about lunch suggestions as they're already covered in other forums.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,872 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Evil Phil wrote:
    Maybe this should be a sub forum of Biology and Medicine with one of the B&M mods helping out?

    I'd be more inclined to have it as a sub-forum of fitness, but then you'd have a weird crossover of people eating creatine (yum) to put on muscle, and people trying to lose weight, which I suppose could be intimidating for the latter... still... it seems like the most natural place for it to me.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    To be honest, the second I first saw this forum asked for I asked myself "why?". It appears people don't like to package eating healthy and fitness together.

    Why is that? Is it really so bad to be concerned about your health? Is it such an illogical step to consider that eating the foods your body needs in the correct portions at the correct times can be a part of fitness? Since when did fitness or health go hand in hand with a gym membership?

    This forum could either be a huge help, or a total disaster, filled with folk who talk about X System and Y Diet but are not putting the actual effort into making real changes. The simple fact is that an honest and obvious improvement in physical health or appearance takes effort. If it didn't we'd all have six packs and 20 inch arms.

    I have no doubt Neuro's heart is in the right place, but frankly that forum is a potential mine-field of possible bad advice and Cosmo bull**** about losing weight...... something boards needs to keep an eye on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Amz wrote:
    People do take diet and nutrition very seriously, you have to go to university to get a degree to be qualified to give advice, I don't think neuro-praxis has such a qualification.

    Also, giving advice, no matter how trivial you might feel it is, on an internet forum can be quite dodgy, particularly when it can affect the health and well being of the person being advised. There is no way to follow up on advice and ensure that it is being followed properly.

    I agree in principle Amz but equally I don't think (m)any of the people on the fitness forum have degrees in nutrition, yet they give excellent advice.

    Despite the advice given in the fitness forum there is no way to follow up on advice and ensure that it is being followed properly either, yet it works for those who take the advice seriously.

    The Diet and Nutrition forum should be a place for sound nutritional advice which is why I'd like to see the relevant fitness forum stickies ported over and also g'em installed as another mod...or failing that, a regular poster :)

    The forum should be a place that tells people...faddy diets are cr*p and the only way to lose weight safely is to eat a well-balanced diet with as few processed foods as possible. It should also tell people to be wary of the label "low-fat" (usual translation: sugar enhanced). ;)

    EDIT: Dragan, that's why you guys should stick your noses in every day to give some tough lovin' :) Do you think g'em would be interested if asked? Also...I think as it stands the forum has a better chance of attracting those who most need help by being outside the 'fitness' bracket...if they see some results from eating properly, maybe, just maybe, they'll venture to the fitness forum :)

    /grabs another doughnut


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    Dragan wrote:
    To be honest, the second I first saw this forum asked for I asked myself "why?". It appears people don't like to package eating healthy and fitness together.

    Why is that? Is it really so bad to be concerned about your health? Is it such an illogical step to consider that eating the foods your body needs in the correct portions at the correct times can be a part of fitness? Since when did fitness or health go hand in hand with a gym membership?

    This forum could either be a huge help, or a total disaster, filled with folk who talk about X System and Y Diet but are not putting the actual effort into making real changes. The simple fact is that an honest and obvious improvement in physical health or appearance takes effort. If it didn't we'd all have six packs and 20 inch arms.

    I have no doubt Neuro's heart is in the right place, but frankly that forum is a potential mine-field of possible bad advice and Cosmo bull**** about losing weight...... something boards needs to keep an eye on.
    QFT

    Why are people able to be so blasé about this issue?

    I have studied sports science and health, many aspects of that course involved nutrition and diet, yet I would not touch something like this with a ten foot pole, because the potential dangers in giving out advice no matter how trivial it may appear can outweigh (no pun intended) the potential positives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    Seraphina wrote:
    well for a start, i didn't mention neuro-praxis anywhere in my post, why everyone is jumping to her defence and assuming i'm attacking her :rolleyes: Ibid, is beyond me. there are 5 moderators listed on that forum, i was referring to all of them in general tbh.
    The rest are category or sub-category moderators, mods by default.
    frankly, if you're going to have a bunch of women discussing weight watchers and how to squeeze chocolate into your day without gaining weight, it should be called portion control or losing weight, and not diet and nutrition.
    Aside from a rose by any other name, there are examples of fora on Boards that are named generically but catered to an audience. A rough example is Parenting, where it seems to be more of a Mammy's Gang board than a frank discussion on parenting. This is fine imo, respect to the Mammies of Ireland. Ditto the Giving Up Smoking forum, that's "medical advice" that's really a community. Hey even Politics is the anti-Bertie forum at the moment, with little intellectual rigour applied.
    Amz wrote:
    Ibid it's very easy to say that's it's only a general forum for college students, but that's taking away from the seriousness of it. People do take diet and nutrition very seriously, you have to go to university to get a degree to be qualified to give advice, I don't think neuro-praxis has such a qualification.
    I see your point, but where does this leave Investments & Markets or all the other fora? If I say "Seriously, Bank of Ireland look like a bargain!" and the share price falls, how is that different? People take things said there seriously. What about Legal Discussion? Legal and financial advice are more likely to result in action against Boards than nutritional advice for the simple reason it's easier to prove and I have no doubt about this. If someone wants to diet they can eat badly by themselves far easier than they can get summon bad legal or investment advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz



    EDIT: Dragan, that's why you guys should stick your noses in every day to give some tough lovin' :) Do you think g'em would be interested if asked? Also...I think as it stands the forum has a better chance of attracting those who most need help by being outside the 'fitness' bracket...if they see some results from eating properly, maybe, just maybe, they'll venture to the fitness forum :)

    /grabs another doughnut
    Why in god's name should the mods of another forum have to babysit the mods of this forum and possibly have to clean up after them and the users of the forum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    Ibid wrote:
    I see your point, but where does this leave Investments & Markets or all the other fora? If I say "Seriously, Bank of Ireland look like a bargain!" and the share price falls, how is that different? People take things said there seriously. What about Legal Discussion? Legal and financial advice are more likely to result in action against Boards than nutritional advice for the simple reason it's easier to prove and I have no doubt about this. If someone wants to diet they can eat badly by themselves far easier than they can get summon bad legal or investment advice.
    People losing money is nowhere near as serious as people damaging their health, but it seems you're not prepared to take that on board.

    How you can compare the two is beyond me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Amz wrote:
    Why in god's name should the mods of another forum have to babysit the mods of this forum and possibly have to clean up after them and the users of the forum?
    Let me clarify...I meant the regular users of the fitness forum who know a bit about nutrition. Why should they? Well because they are already interested in nutrition and this is a dedicated nutrition forum. It would therefore seem logical that they would be interested in reading and posting there as well as in the fitness forum.

    Just because you regularly post in one forum does not mean you can't post in another forum. That's why in God's name...although why you bring Him into is is another question entirely ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    I can see why Cloud made the forum a nutrition and diet forum as a compromise, but seriously, I see it as a grave misjudgement to set up such a forum and hand it over to a mod who was heavily involved in the debate for/against it being a nutrition forum.

    When it comes to dietry advice, there are two types of people who should be allowed to give it. 1) A trained dietician. 2) a trained gastroenterologist.

    I'm a trained gastroenterologist and even *I* don't feel comfortable giving nutritional advice to someone I've never seen or never met.

    The sad thing is, were I to post on that forum, most of my posts would probably be to tell posters that the diets being suggested are wrong and dangerous and why. I can imagine it would get me banned.

    If this is a forum just to discuss people's diet, without giving advice (as has been suggested), then why not just have it in the food forum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Amz, you also fail to acknowledge that nutrition advice is already regularly posted on the Fitness forum by 'unqualified' persons.

    These people may not have a qualification on paper yet their advice is usually sound which is why I'd like to see them post on the nutrition forum. When the advice they give is not sound, one of the other regular nutrition 'experts' usually pulls them up on that fact. It almost self-moderates once you have enough people who know what they are talking about...after that the mods only need to clean and tidy the threads a bit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,330 ✭✭✭✭Amz


    The dietry/nutrition advice usually given on the fitness forum is mostly in conjunction with some sort of fitness routine.

    It's not stand alone advice.

    The idea of this forum seemed to stem from the desire of one of the mods to lose weight and it seems the only way they felt they could lose weight was through dieting or change in eating habits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Listen folks a mod does exactly that moderates, stops abuse, reports shills yada yada yada. They do not have to be the number 1 source of advice/info on the topic they moderate.

    If any of the fitness/nutrition guys check in regularly they will set any of that sh1te straight ( like choclate? how to lose weight on a choclate diet). They will not be cleaning up other peoples mess or dirty work. They will be participating members of a forum. What boards is all about really.

    So neuro isn't the most up to speed (neither am I or most here), let the forum regulars hand out the advice. That forum could be moderated by anyone. Advice on the other hand should only be given by those in the know.

    So please stop focusing on the actual moderating of the forum, the advice is what's important and there's no devine law saying the mod has to give the advice. The reason the fitness forum (which so many refer to here) is a succes is because so many posters there are passionate about fitness not because it has good mods (which it does but that's another matter)

    excuse my spelling I had no time to spell check this


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,872 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I cant help feeling that this is being taken way too seriously.
    I see this forum as a community rather than a gospel for nutrition.... and I'd imagine most posters would feel the same.

    If people need medical advice in relation to their diet, then its up to themselves to go get it. For someone who needs, for example, to lose a small bit of weight, I cant see any harm in a forum where they get a bit of encouragement and are told to eat more porridge..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    These people may not have a qualification on paper yet their advice is usually sound which is why I'd like to see them post on the nutrition forum. When the advice they give is not sound, one of the other regular nutrition 'experts' usually pulls them up on that fact. It almost self-moderates once you have enough people who know what they are talking about...after that the mods only need to clean and tidy the threads a bit.

    yup this is what I was getting at.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Amz, you also fail to acknowledge that nutrition advice is already regularly posted on the Fitness forum by 'unqualified' persons.

    These people may not have a qualification on paper yet their advice is usually sound which is why I'd like to see them post on the nutrition forum. When the advice they give is not sound, one of the other regular nutrition 'experts' usually pulls them up on that fact. It almost self-moderates once you have enough people who know what they are talking about...after that the mods only need to clean and tidy the threads a bit.


    Nutritional advice is different to dietary advice and it's not just semantics. People may come in here and ask for information or advice on nutritional sources and nutritional substitutes. Fair enough.

    People who come on here to discuss weight loss diets or somesuch are the ones I worry about.

    You know those warnings you see about consulting a doctor before engaging in a weight loss program? Thats not just legal covering, there are pretty practical reasons behind it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    Amz wrote:
    People losing money is nowhere near as serious as people damaging their health, but it seems you're not prepared to take that on board.
    I am of course. People do and will damage their health by crash dieting all the time. I know nothing about nutrition. If I wanted to lose weight I'd probably simply skip breakfasts.
    How you can compare the two is beyond me.
    Both can get Boards in trouble. And one is far more likely to get Boards in trouble than the other. How you can't see that is beyond me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    EDIT: Dragan, that's why you guys should stick your noses in every day to give some tough lovin' :) Do you think g'em would be interested if asked? Also...I think as it stands the forum has a better chance of attracting those who most need help by being outside the 'fitness' bracket...if they see some results from eating properly, maybe, just maybe, they'll venture to the fitness forum :)

    /grabs another doughnut

    Funnily enough I am actually working on my first post for that forum as we speak, it should be done by Thursday ( would be a lot quicker but I'm squeezing it into working hours….whatever they are ).

    As for G'em , well I can't really speak for her but I'm sure she would be interested in lending a hand. To be honest, I'm sure she will whether she is a Mod or not….she just likes helping people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    Ibid wrote:
    I am of course. People do and will damage their health by crash dieting all the time. I know nothing about nutrition. If I wanted to lose weight I'd probably simply skip breakfasts.

    Neatly crippling your ability to effectively, quickly and healthily lose weight.

    See…. This is the type of thing that I worry will crop up in the forum?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Yeah I agree that fitness is important but as g'em amongst others has said on the fitness forum: when it comes to weight loss, it's 80% diet and 20% exercise.

    Now, that 20% is vital for accelerating and continuing weight loss as well as vital for overall health but the 80% is what this forum is about. Posters should be advised of this and directed to the fitness forum for fitness advice.

    My own view is that the forum should be the kind of place where users are told...fad diets are useless, hard work is necessary, try to avoid refined carbs, use wholemeal pasta or brown rice instead of white stuff. Learn that low-fat may mean high sugar. Unused carbs are converted to fat, so reduce carbs...etc.

    These forums can work hand in hand, the diet and nutrition forum is very new, give it a chance and hopefully neuro-praxis can take on board any constructive criticisms.

    I'd also like to see neuro-praxis engage in discussion with the fitness mods a bit for advice from them as well as on the mod forum :) This can work if given a chance!

    So,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,400 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Dragan wrote:
    Neatly crippling your ability to effectively, quickly and healthily lose weight.

    See…. This is the type of thing that I worry will crop up in the forum?
    Very true :)

    In fairness Dragan, people have asked this kind of thing on the fitness forum and you guys have put them straight, I don't see why the fitness people interested in nutrition can't post in the diet and nutrition forum too. I realise that they approach nutrition from the fitness and reducing bf or bulking up angle but their knowledge is perfect for this type of foruma nd they would be valuable posters! Reach out to neuro-praxis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    I realise that they approach nutrition from the fitness and reducing bf or bulking up angle but their knowledge is perfect for this type of foruma nd they would be valuable posters! Reach out to neuro-praxis?

    Over on fitness we make every effort we can to answer every question as it's asked. We had a lot of people not really interested in fitness, but were all about losing weight and they got as much help as anyone else! I'm all about the Diet and Nutrition Forum, to be honest…. I just think it has Disasterpiece potential sometimes!

    As I already said, I'm already working on my contributions, and will be doing everything I can to help out Neuro. I'm sure the rest of my gym going brethern will do the same. Still think it would be a strong idea to get G'em on board in a manner that gives her a slightly bigger stick though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    Dragan wrote:
    Neatly crippling your ability to effectively, quickly and healthily lose weight.

    See…. This is the type of thing that I worry will crop up in the forum?
    To the contrary. If it wasn't for this/this sort of forum, this would happen. Which we all know does happen. Instead I could read the forum. If you're taking a benevolent view to weight-loss/nutrition, having good information is far better than nothing.

    If you're complaining about this forum taking a Boards-protection point of view, Legal Discussion and Investments & Markets have to go. Or else you can look at them as precedents and see they're very successful at the average Joe level. Just like "I need advice" threads in I&M and Legal Discussion forum get locked on sight "I'm 12 and need to diet" should get locked on sight. On the other hand "I'm 20, moving to college and want a nutritious breakfast" is fine imho. And it doesn't require a B.Sc. in food science either.


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