iPhone Vs iPod touch

setanta5

Hey,

was just wondering if anyone can give a breakdown of the differences between the two. Talking more about real world advantages and disadvantages. 1 thing i'm curious about is whether the iTouch (as it seems to get called) will operate all the apps destined for the iPhone or if this will be controlled in some way?

At the moment to me the touch looks a far better option...then just buy (Get for free) a nice, neat, compact phone that actually fits in my jeans pocket without me worrying its going to be scrathed or damaged.

Can anyone make a real case for the iPhone?

K.O.Kiki

You don't need a case -- some kind of film screen protector would do, and you'd not leave your iPhone/iTouch unusable & ugly.

Hey, it works for my DS.

Also of note: the iPhone seems to use a better screen than the iTouch. ArsTechnica (iirc) says it's only noticeable in direct comparism tho.

big_moe

the iPhone has a better screen

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/tested-iphone-screen-better-than-the-ipod-touch-screen-299774.php

moe

jmck87

Reviews Ive read of the Touch say that its just a bad iPhone... you cant load iPhone apps to it (yet)... and as said the screen isint meant to be as good.

But theres too ways to look at it:

1) The Touch is an iPhone without phone and other features

2) The Touch is great at what its supposed to be... a portable multimedia device

Personally, I would never buy an iPhone... not denying its a great bit of innovative hardware... just that I dont think its the right shape, dimensions etc for a functional phone... id feel like a right twat taking that out to make a call...

I would be interested in buying a Touch however.... I dont know exactly why though lol...

NullZer0

Not many people know about this. But the main advantage of iPhone over iPod touch is <b><u>its a phone!</u></b>. <-- Don't tell anyone.

440Hz

This thread is bizarre!!

NullZer0

jmck87 wrote:

... you cant load iPhone apps to it (yet)

Keyword there is iPhone.

I wouldn't expect iPhone apps to run on something that wasn't an iPhone (if I was an average user).

Of course you can run them on it. Use FreeBSD tools.

Not very complicated

setanta5

iRock wrote:

Not many people know about this. But the main advantage of iPhone over iPod touch is <b><u>its a phone!</u></b>. <-- Don't tell anyone.

That can also be a negative. I don;t want to carry my iPod/media player with me to certain places like the pub or someother place im likely to lose it or get stolen, just because it happens to be my mobile phone also. A nice pocketable phone and seperate iPod would be a better solution in this instance.

I'm not denying that the iPhone is undoubtedly a huge step forward and a great device, but i need to justify the extreme cost when compared with the iTouch.

Am i right in saying we should epect the capacityu of the phone to be increased to 16Gig? Seems crazy to have their premium iPod product capped to the same size as the lowest real iPod...the nano (Don't get me started on the shuffle....thats not a real iPod.)

Chardee MacDennis

iRock wrote:

Keyword there is iPhone.

I wouldn't expect iPhone apps to run on something that wasn't an iPhone (if I was an average user).

Of course you can run them on it. Use FreeBSD tools.

Not very complicated

yeh thats completely wrong...

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/09/18/state-of-the-itouch-jailbreak-slow-forward-progress/

NullZer0

Call_me_al wrote:

yeh thats completely wrong...

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/09/18/state-of-the-itouch-jailbreak-slow-forward-progress/

Its not something that is going to be impossible.
Its just an OS - It wont be long at all.


I know someone is going to say it wont happen... but give it a few days.

Oriel

K.O.Kiki wrote:

You don't need a case -- some kind of film screen protector would do, and you'd not leave your iPhone/iTouch unusable & ugly.

That's not what the OP was talking about.

Personally, I'd buy both.

babypink

but i need to justify the extreme cost when compared with the iTouch.

$100 extra for a bluetooth enabled phone.....extreme????

Don't get me started on the shuffle....thats not a real iPod.

i adore my shuffle. It's small, light, practical and sounds great! A good embodiment of what an ipod, in the classic sense, should be....IMO

I would absolutely get a case for the iPhone - its kinda slippery and you don't want dings in the beautiful metal casing. I'm using this, it looks awesome in the black case:

http://www.goincase.com/products/detail/protective-cover-cl59019

This thread is bizarre!!

indeed

440Hz

Oriel wrote:

Personally, I'd buy both.

Indeed, in an ideal world. Realistically, most financial situations would require a choice however.

setanta5

Babypink, its not just an extra £100, its 18 months of being signed up to O2 at minimum £35. For that, any other phone would normally be free and in CPW you would probably get something free with it like ipod or xbox if you went to the more expensive tarriffs.

The shuffle is a great little thing for sure but its more like a novelty item...no screen = lack of interface. The "iPod, in the classic sense" as you put it, was built upon its user interface coupled with iTunes integration. In technical terms it was far from the best device, but user interface made it a success.

Without this the shuffle is just a nice piece of jewellery. Or a very ordinary (by apples standard) player.

babypink

$100..US Dollars. Thats roughly 75euro. Anyone who'd bring it in from the UK is instantly loosing 100euro - the US route is the smarter choice.

$399= ~290euro
£269= ~390euro

iPod Touch = 299euro from the Irish Applestore....for me the maths of it make it an absolute no-brainer (provided you know someone in the states coming home soon or can get it sent over)

Why are you tied to O2(assuming its O2 that gets the Irish distribution agreement)??? It's freely unlockable - you can choose whatever carrier you like here (except 3)

But you know, it isn't just any other phone - its the iPhone and speaking as an owner i can say that its the most beautiful and best put together phone i've ever put to my face - No creaky flips or ill fitting battery covers, the touchscreen experience alone is a delight. Its the reality of Apple product - you're paying more up front for the design, innovation and exclusivity(exclusivity does not apply to ipod anymore) of premium products. And as for the freebie - You're getting your free ipod built in!

bushy...

babypink wrote:

No creaky flips or ill fitting battery covers, the touchscreen experience alone is a delight. Its the reality of Apple product - you're paying more up front for the design, innovation and exclusivity(exclusivity does not apply to ipod anymore) of premium products. And as for the freebie - You're getting your free ipod built in!

Not very valid points though really , it is a nice phone but there are
no ill fitting battery covers , cos you can't change the battery
no creaky flips , its not a flip phone like many more
exclusivity , anyone can get one and there are more expensive phones.
phones can play mp3s/radio etc for years .

No 3g is down to lack of battery power

"Mr. Jobs said Apple had decided against making the phone compatible with the faster third-generation mobile networks because the chip sets for 3G-compatible phones used up battery power too quickly. “They’re real power hogs,” he said in London "

babypink

i never made it out to be a flip phone..... *sigh* As for the battery covers, they absolutely took a design decision and it certainly helps to make it "the most beautiful and best put together phone i've ever put to my face."

Ok so what about other 8Gb phones - hmmmm.... Nokia N91 @ £349 (nokia.co.uk) = ~500euro. Which would you rather carry in your pocket?? I accept the N91 has 3G, but its larger, fugly, poorer battery life, of questionable durability with the slide and hard drive memory, no WiFi, no touchscreen.........any guesses which one wins?

While i'd love 3G, i accept why they have left it out....i've no grumble with that. Battery life IS important and sacrificing that just so you can beat the 3G drum is really a fools errand.

I stand by the following: "Its the reality of Apple product - you're paying more up front for the design, innovation and exclusivity(exclusivity does not apply to ipod anymore) of premium products." Exclusivity isn't solely price regulated - who gets the admiring looks - an MBP user or a spec'd up Dell user??

setanta5

Does anyone know if/when the iPhone will be upgraded to 16 gig. would definitly sell it i think.

and Babypink, you're really not making much of a point for having the iPhone over the touch. All the design and interface points yuo make could just as easily be addressed at the touch. And if exclusivity is really what your after you could have got a Zune. I've yet to see anyone else using them and don't know anyone else who wants to get one.....now thats exclusivity!!

bruce wayne

this tread is not that pointless...

I'm off to Orlando in a few weeks and will be picking up either an itouch or an iphone.....and I can decide which one ?

Ideal world = both, reality is just one...but which one?

babypink

setanta5 wrote:

and Babypink, you're really not making much of a point for having the iPhone over the touch.

no? guess i'll just stick to using something thats more feature-laden than the competition, at a more competitive price than the competition and can be had for the price of an iTouch.

I must buy products for weird reasons so.

Good hunting setanta5.

setanta5

babypink wrote:

no? guess i'll just stick to using something thats more feature-laden than the competition, at a more competitive price than the competition and can be had for the price of an iTouch.

I must buy products for weird reasons so.

Good hunting setanta5.

How is the iPhone more feature laden than the touch? I'm not trying to be argumentative I really like the iPhone...and will probably get one but i am genuinly looking for someone to convince me there is a good reason to have it over the touch. As you have the phone you are perfectly qualified to tell me.

my understanding however is that, not having network support you have lost the visual voicemail feature...which is one of the big innovations of the product. 3G is really not an issue for me. I think it should be reserved for mobile data in laptops.

So do you see it that you have a really cool iPod that saves you from having to carry a phone??? or a really cool phone that can do lots of other stuff? Do you ever wish it had 16 gig or does 8 feel like enough?

babypink

How is the iPhone more feature laden than the touch?

I said it was more feature laden than the competition, I don't see the touch as competition. However, to answer the question - bluetooth, better screen, metal construction, hacked to run native apps,phone, data access away from WiFi, software functionality (data entering for calendars etc)....etc..

So do you see it that you have a really cool iPod that saves you from having to carry a phone??? or a really cool phone that can do lots of other stuff?

I don't make the distinction between really cool phone or really cool ipod. Its a really cool combination of both devices. The phone features are great (grumbles aside and noting lack of MMS) - call quality, intuitive use etc... and the iPod is incredible, period! The rest of what it does is immense - maps really useful, youtube for wasting time is priceless, stocks(i have a vested interest) and weather are surprisingly handy. The ical integration is great. Photo quality is surprisingly acceptable and there are some gems of 3rd party apps out there.

8GB is plenty - i'm at my computer every day - if i feel like a change, off i go. I don't need to carry my entire (130gb) music collection with me.

Visual Voicemail is pure novelty - in my book anyway. It'll get here once the carrier of choice launches it officially.....It doesn't particulary bother me having to listen through a few voicemails and hitting 7 to delete. Its not really that important to be a dealbreaker.

You know, the big reason is that it's a phone!!!....*shock* why carry two devices when you can carry one!!! I'll admit that it has its flaws, but nothing is perfect ('cept my Powerbook )

440Hz

Interesting article in today's Guardian on 'why should we buy an iPhone'. The general consensus of their review was 'you shouldn't'. Hmmmmm

setanta5

Had a play with iPod touch today in the apple store (glasgow) and it was really nice. Can't say i noticed any issue with the screen. Maybe if i saw it side by side with the phone i would but it looked really good to me.

Katie what was the reasons in the guardian for not buying iPhone? The one thing holding me back from buying a 16gig touch (apart from them being out of stock at the moment) is the possibility i will really regret not buying the iPhone. Which is why i started this thread in the first place.

440Hz

If the paper is still down stairs ill scan the article later!

sozbox

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/sep/20/guardianweeklytechnologysection.apple

su_dios

I would go out and buy the iphone in right now IF it allowed for entries in ical. Also I do really only use gmail but a mail app and proper google maps(w/bluetooth to use as a gps device) would have been brilliant!

I found this post on another forum;


If I'm going to buy an iPod Touch, it will be when it's hacked and I can install some things that will make it a little more than a super fancy iPod:

IM client - MSN, Adium, Google Talk, at least I can chat with someone when wi-fi is available, and I can do that while I'm listening to some music , how nice is that?
Skype - How great to make a calls over Wifi...
Voice Recorder
iCal - one that you can really use and add some entries using the iTouch itself

PS: I don't expect to see any of these things coming from Apple.

Is this possible?

babypink

The iPhone DOES allow iCal entries. When you enter them in the phone's calendar they sync with ical when you sync with the 'puter.

You can use meebo as a chat client through safari. They have a iphone specific client. As for native 3rd party chat apps - there are 2 AIM clients, ApolloIM and MobileChat.....both are working to bring the other protocols.

Skype is a proprietary closed system, so a client is unlikely unless Skype themselves do it. There is however an effort to bring TruPhone to the iphone - its a SIP service, a la voipbuster etc...so time will tell there.

There is a voice recorder app.


All of the above are for the iPhone, but once the iTouch is jailbreaked they should probably work on it too. Though the jailbreak is proving very difficult at the minute.

grumpypaddy

for anyone in Limerick who wants a hands on with the touch, it landed in Compu B yesterday...

440Hz

grumpypaddy wrote:

for anyone in Limerick who wants a hands on with the touch, it landed in Compu B yesterday...

Denis has a knack of gettings new things in earlier than most!!

chrislad

I'll be down to him on Monday

Do they have any for sale or is that just wishful thinking

su_dios

babypink wrote:

The iPhone DOES allow iCal entries. When you enter them in the phone's calendar they sync with ical when you sync with the 'puter.

Well aware of this! I was stating that the ipod touch does not have this feature and will be relying on a hack if this does happen.

Also I would like to use adium if I could on it.

One other thing thats putting me off is what is it like for changing songs and changing volume in your pocket. I rarely take my nano out of my pocket.

chrislad

su_dios wrote:

Well aware of this! I was stating that the ipod touch does not have this feature and will be relying on a hack if this does happen.

Nope, you said iPhone

grumpypaddy

i am collecting mine monday, presume it will sort of be first come first served (unless you had one on order,) either way, looking forward to it!!

chrislad

I'll give him a buzz on Monday and see what the story is.

su_dios

chrislad wrote:

Nope, you said iPhone

Ooops my bad sorry for that

su_dios

Oh have a look at this!

Now this is good!

Gerard_Smith

big_moe wrote:

the iPhone has a better screen

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/tested-iphone-screen-better-than-the-ipod-touch-screen-299774.php

moe

Thats interesting because the PCmag review says the exact opposite. This might be a difference between where individual screens are manufactured rather than a difference between the products.

grumpypaddy

picked up the touch in compub in Limerick today, unfortunately they only have the 16 gig models in stock... had about ten of them left when i was there...what a shame,(irony) had to go for it!!!
just loading up itunes now, it is one thin piece of gear and the screen looks great! they also have the new nanos in stock for anyone thats interested

chrislad

Same with myself. Got there around 11am, and there was about 20 left. I was just going to get the 8gig as that would cover all my music, but with that screen, I'll probably want a few videos too, so I said screw it! Better than waiting the extra week. The only bad thing is the lack of a case. I hate the silver back to it and I need to get a case and there won't be anything out for a few weeks.

Just loading it up now. Slightly annoying that you have to plug it into iTunes before you can turn it on.

440Hz

Gonna be in with Denis tomorrow. Half tempted to try and cancel my online order... hmmmm

Gee im so impatient. Just sick of waiting for it now.

su_dios

The front part is apparently unscratchable. So why not get a shieldzone for the rear. I have had a shieldzone on my old ipod and it works brilliantly. Covers the whole ipod and does not take away from the look or function in any way.

So come on..first impressions? I ordered mine last night so I'm impatient about this wait too(says I'll have it 1st October)

440Hz

su_dios wrote:

(says I'll have it 1st October)

what???


I ordered mine on the 2nd day and my ETD is 8th Oct!

:mad::mad::mad:

su_dios

440Hz wrote:

what???


I ordered mine on the 2nd day and my ETD is 8th Oct!

:mad::mad::mad:

Really? I ordered last night. Says ship date 28th. Delivery date 1-2nd October. Hmmm..

440Hz

su_dios wrote:

Delivery date 1-2nd October. Hmmm..

I have...

Estimated Delivery: 05 Oct, 2007 - 08 Oct, 2007

Chardee MacDennis

mine just changed to the 5th to the 8th as well. cancelled it and just gonna buy it in town.

su_dios

Mine still says:

Not yet shipped
Estimated Shipping: 28 Sep, 2007
Estimated Delivery: 01 Oct, 2007 - 02 Oct, 2007


Come on tell us what its like then those that have bought them

chrislad

Absolutely gorgeous. So glad I ended up with the 16gig, as I converted a few videos and they look great. Used VisualHub and the iPhone settings.

It's quite possibly the best touch screen I've ever used, and I've had 3 touchscreen phones. Coverflow is brilliant, and it's so easy to use and pick songs. The screen goes pretty bright too, and there's a feature to automatically increase/decrease it based on your location and lighting.

YouTube works quite well, but I'm not a big user of the site, just really for the odd movie trailer. Wireless worked quickly and without any issue. Didn't buy anything from iTunes, as when I placed an online order on Apple.com for the Touch, it changed my credit card details on iTunes so I've to reenter them once I get my new card. Streaming clips of songs is excellent and works well. Search is fairly accurate, but it's a very cut down version of iTunes, with no audio books, no pod casts, no videos or shorts, just tunes. I'm sure they'll probably add some later on.

Safari, I can't really comment on as I've barely used it, but it seemed to be fairly similar speed wise to the PSP browser.

As said before, the screen is gorgeous. It's very tough feeling but does gather prints. As I said in a previous post, I was a bit disappointed that you didn't ge the felt case that was standard with the video/classic models, but you do get a screen cleaning cloth. Will have to get some kind of protective case for the back of it though as I hate the silver backs.

Overall, I love it. Just need to rip a few TV shows. The only thing I can't comment on right now is the battery life, but I'm sure I'll have a good idea in a few days.

su_dios

Sounds good.. looking forward to this. Hope its a good buy. Only thing making me wary is not having a tactile button I can use to change song or stop playback in my pocket.

grumpypaddy

would have to agree with Chrislad, cover flow is georgous on it and very quick.. i did a lot of searching on safari and it is very impressive with the touch and pinch features very easy to use... the virtual keypad will take a bit of getting used to .. i have big fingers so have made some mistakes in spelling but am sure it will get better.... Really cant wait for the iphone if it is as good as this... just hope if it is on 02 that there is a good dataplan.. am well happy!! for anyone that is a major user of text messages on their mobile and can write at major speed, it will be slower to type using the iphone but that doesnt bother me too much as i dont do too much texting

flywheel

chrislad wrote:

Safari, I can't really comment on as I've barely used it.

Safari on the iPod Touch / iPhone is the best mobile browser i've experienced to date... data entry takes a little getting used to with the on-screen keypad though... i tried it on the iPhone using the US AT&T network which was noticeably slow... but over WiFi the experience was fine