Geordan Murphy to leave squad?

CJhaughey

Apparently GM is set to leave the Irish squad, not confirmed yet but apparently after being told he played badly in the last two games he is set to leave.

zuutroy

Just read this WTF? He didnt play the last to games btw.

CJhaughey

Sorry, Meant the last two French games

padser

Where did you read this?

EOS has really really messed up imo. Leaving Murphy out and putting in Duffy (ahead of Carney as well) is pretty much an admission of

a) I don't rate a world class attacker
b) I'm out to keep the score down against the French rather then having impact subs in the for the last quarter if we are still in with a shout.

CJhaughey

Doing the rounds on email.
At the press conference apparently EOS said that the reason was that GM had played badly against France the last two time he played them.
Assorted Journos question EOS further and he says: I am the manager and it is my decision.

zAbbo

Not sure if the chain of events didn't prelude with GM saying a few minutes wasn't worth a cap, although I'd be cagey over the journo spin, I think I read in his BBC column he was very happy to take the field v Namibia.

randombar

Reckon this is a bit of Purple Monkey Dishwasher!

SpAcEd OuT

Hes right to as well.

I feel that the way not only the management but the way the whole team has treated Murphy has been completely unfair. The Management and the team have publicly berated Murphy for the France game when in reality it wasn't his fault.

Murphy was the only reason we didn't lose to Scotland, If the ref had allowed advantage Murphy would have scored a winning try against France. EOS has never liked Murphy and it seems he has turned the whole squad against a player who,and I truely believe this, on his day is the best attacking back in the world.

The fact that EOS, after the first 2 abysmal displays by Ireland, has left Murphy not only out of the starting 15 but out of the 22 man squad is a final slap in the face

Its a disgrace.

marco_polo

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Hes right to as well.

I feel that the way not only the management but the way the whole team has treated Murphy has been completely unfair. The Management and the team have publicly berated Murphy for the France game when in reality it wasn't his fault.

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EOS has never liked Murphy and it seems he has turned the whole squad against a player who,and I truely believe this, on his day is the best attacking back in the world.

I take it you heard all this off some bloke down the pub last night?

SpAcEd OuT

marco_polo wrote:

I take it you heard all this off some bloke down the pub last night?

Excuse me, read Eddie's comments last night about how Murphy has been very poor the last 2 occasions against France. In fact look at any comment Eddie has ever made about Murphy

Watch Reaching For Glory where the players all berate him even in the post match interviews they pretty much laid all of the blame on Murphy.

And the fact that for no logical reason he is constantly left out of the squad.

So no this is not something I heard in the pub last night and if you can't see what is happening then you are blind.

Chucky the tree

And to think of the slaggings i got when i compared him too Stan...

thebaz

Chucky the tree wrote:

And to think of the slaggings i got when i compared him too Stan...

Hey i slagged you last Spring , long time ago , your a visionary Chucky

but i was right about Stringer ,always fealt he wasn't up to serious International rugby !

Stev_o

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Excuse me, read Eddie's comments last night about how Murphy has been very poor the last 2 occasions against France. In fact look at any comment Eddie has ever made about Murphy

Watch Reaching For Glory where the players all berate him even in the post match interviews they pretty much laid all of the blame on Murphy.

And the fact that for no logical reason he is constantly left out of the squad.

So no this is not something I heard in the pub last night and if you can't see what is happening then you are blind.

Exactly. I mean he is a genius when he's in full flight. 10 seconds on in the Wales match and he wins us the match FACT.

He's been great with Leicester and he did excellent in Argentina and against Scotland.

I mean jesus if EOS is saying "Oh his record against vs is poor for the last 2 games" shouldnt that in his own theory mean that he shouldnt play any of his starting 15 since they have ALL lost to France in the last 2 games??

marco_polo

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Excuse me, read Eddie's comments last night about how Murphy has been very poor the last 2 occasions against France. In fact look at any comment Eddie has ever made about Murphy

Watch Reaching For Glory where the players all berate him even in the post match interviews they pretty much laid all of the blame on Murphy.

And the fact that for no logical reason he is constantly left out of the squad.

So no this is not something I heard in the pub last night and if you can't see what is happening then you are blind.

But is it not true he has been poor in the last few games against France? All the players said in the post match was that it was a very poor missed tackle and even Geordan himself was the first to admit as much. When he got his chance from Eddie a few years back in as the starting fullback a few years ago he failed to take it.

He has not been able to force his way back into the starting 15 since and would not have been on the bench against Namiba or Georgia had Trimble and Horgan respectively been fit for both games, and rightly so as those players had earned the right to be ahead of Murphy in the pecking order.


I was certainly wrong of Eddie to say as much in the press conference but it is what alot of others were thinking too, and I do think he should be on the bench instead of Duffy on Friday night, I can't deny that that seems a bizzare decision.

To say there is some sort of EOS lead squad conspiracy against him is complete bollocks though.

Sangre

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

EOS has never liked Murphy and it seems he has turned the whole squad against a player who,and I truely believe this, on his day is the best attacking back in the world.

And I truly believe this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Watch out Rokocoko, Howlet, Sivivatu, Carter, Latham, Habana, Hernandez, Jauzion, Murphy is about! My God, hes not even close to being the best attacker in the Irish team.

Still may ahead of Duffy though...

RugBeir

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Hes right to as well.

I feel that the way not only the management but the way the whole team has treated Murphy has been completely unfair. The Management and the team have publicly berated Murphy for the France game when in reality it wasn't his fault.

Murphy was the only reason we didn't lose to Scotland, If the ref had allowed advantage Murphy would have scored a winning try against France. EOS has never liked Murphy and it seems he has turned the whole squad against a player who,and I truely believe this, on his day is the best attacking back in the world.

Its a disgrace.

Agree totally. And dont forget it was Murphy coming on V Wales as a blood sub for Hickie that turned that match in our favour, setting up a try for O Driscoll.

Isnt it curious the parallels with the soccer world cup in Saipan. Another world class player getting up his managers nose, speaking his mind and walking. Incompetance being rewarded and genius being rebuked!

Hope Murphy does walk - otherwise we may have four more years of EOS.

Sangre

Me thinks people believe the English hype about Murphy too much.

reallybad

i was told he was leaving the squad last night before the team announcement. In the same story i was told that all the players want eddie out and are disgusted with the renewal of his contract - this could be curtains for irish rugby

Chucky the tree

thebaz wrote:

Hey i slagged you last Spring , long time ago , your a visionary Chucky

but i was right about Stringer ,always fealt he wasn't up to serious International rugby !

lol Unfortunatly i could be, i'd much prefer too be wrong about EOS but it's not looking good.


I always liked Reddan, but putting him into a match of this magnitude when he doesnt have proper competitive games under his belt is very strange. I doubt Reddan will be getting much sleep until Firday anyway.

Stev_o

Sangre wrote:

Me thinks people believe the English hype about Murphy too much.

Have you watched him play for Leicester?

Worrytahs

CJhaughey wrote:

Apparently GM is set to leave the Irish squad, not confirmed yet but apparently after being told he played badly in the last two games he is set to leave.

Where did you hear this from?

Rattlehead_ie

I heard that Lomu is making a come back for the Kiwis against Romania.
I think this is all speculation and to be honest even at this. Murph would be stupid to leave tha camp unless under EXTREME circumstances, there is still a huge part in the RWC for him to play. There is the oppertiunity to play against Argentina which might possibely be the biggest game of the Pool for us depending on the result this Friday.

To be honest there is alot of things going on about this Irish Squad and as I said in the Ireland v France team thread. I will stand by this team to the last. Yes their performaces have been poor, but this does NOT mean they are going to loose the French or Argie game.

COME ON IRELAND!!!!

SpAcEd OuT

Sangre wrote:

And I truly believe this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Watch out Rokocoko, Howlet, Sivivatu, Carter, Latham, Habana, Hernandez, Jauzion, Murphy is about! My God, hes not even close to being the best attacker in the Irish team.

I disagree. On his day Murphy is simply world class and certainly as good in his position as all those above mentioned are in theirs. The difference between Murphy and the players mentioned above is they consistently perform to world class standards while we only see flashes of the excellence we know Murphy is capable of. He still performs to a good standard but not always to the standard of world class but the point I was making was that he can.

as I said on his day he can be the best attacking back in the world

They didn't used to call him ''The George Best of Rugby Union'' for nothing

Worrytahs

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

They didn't used to call him ''The George Best of Rugby Union'' for nothing

:rolleyes:

daveirl

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SpAcEd OuT

Worrytahs wrote:

:rolleyes:

great contribution.

marco_polo

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

I disagree. On his day Murphy is simply world class and certainly as good in his position as all those above mentioned are in theirs. The difference between Murphy and the players mentioned above is they consistently perform to world class standards while we only see flashes of the excellence we know Murphy is capable of. He still performs to a good standard but not always to the standard of world class but the point I was making was that he can.

as I said on his day he can be the best attacking back in the world

They didn't used to call him ''The George Best of Rugby Union'' for nothing

He is not even the best back in the Ireland squad and those players mentioned are far superior.

Also wasn't jonny O'Connor the new Neil Back a few years ago?

Not disputing he is a very skillful player when the mood strikes and is certainly capable of putting in some excellent performances but he is far too prone to concentration lapses to be considered in the "world class" bracket.

Crash

Stev_o wrote:

Have you watched him play for Leicester?

Have you watched how often that skill for leicester has ever translated into anything in the irish jersey.

FACT: Murphy is on form at the moment
FACT: For a long time, he was teh biggest jinx to put on an irish jersey in years. Any attempt at the moves he pulled out at leicester went ****, little grubbers down the line went in to touch in about two bounces, everything was going against that man.

Overall, he's damn good when on form. but to say he's one of the best backs in the world is crap.

RugBeir

marco_polo wrote:

But is it not true he has been poor in the last few games against France? All the players said in the post match was that it was a very poor missed tackle and even Geordan himself was the first to admit as much. When he got his chance from Eddie a few years back in as the starting fullback a few years ago he failed to take it.

I was certainly wrong of Eddie to say as much in the press conference but it is what alot of others were thinking too, and I do think he should be on the bench instead of Duffy on Friday night.

To say there is some sort of EOS lead squad conspiracy against him is complete bollocks though.

MaroPolo -you have just proved it yourself. To lay the blame on the France match on one mistake of Murhpys to the exclusion of dozens of others by everyone else does smack not only of conspiracy, but a deliberate campaign against one player, orchestrated and started by EOS himself.

Wouldnt it have been more fair and more accurate to blame O Connell (dropped ball) or Dempsey(as the no 15) who failed to stop the V. Clerc try that won the match for France. But EOS didnt do that.

Instead of standing by all his players he betrayed one of them, selecting him out for special opprobrium, thus isolating him amongst his colleagues. And now he has the nerve to repeat the public attack today, after a succession of pathetic performances by his super team. A manager that singles out a player like that is only a coward trying to save his own neck.

Saipan all over again - God help us.

nobber

whoever came up wit the idea of renewing eddie's contract BEFORE the biggest competition in rugby should be shot. there is obviously something seriously wrong in the irish camp and EOS doesnt know how to deal wit it. matter of fact he probably is the problem. his conservative and narrow minded approach to team tactics and team selection are crippleing the team.lookin forward to seeing e reddin in action though.dreading friday.

kevmy

Murphy walk out?!?!? Over a I'm too good too be on the bench/out of the squad?!?!?

That would be serious toys-out-of-the-pram move which I've never got from Murphy. All players know they have a chance of not getting played. Murphy had his chance to make the No. 15 jersey his own a couple of seasons ago when Dempsey's form dipped. He didn't. Dempsey came back playing the rugby of his life and now rightly holds the FB jersey.

Murphy has never been as good on the wing as at FB and is more prone to mistakes on the wing than at FB (look at Murphy v Ibanez in Croker). He isn't playing and I'm sure he is disappointed, what player wouldn't but why isn't it Neil Best poised to walk out or Alan Quinlan.

This strikes me as bullsh1te. I don't think he will walk out. I don't think he should. I would lose some respect for Murphy if he did. IMO he should be on the bench ahead of Duffy but I think that Eddie was seriously considering not playing D'Arcy and this influenced his decision. Still though....

Having said that spreading rumours of discontent is does nobody any good. We should support whatever team is put on the pitch even if we don't agree with it. GET BEHIND IRELAND ON FRIDAY.

ven0m

Geordan Murphy being ommitted is nothing short of ridiculous. Whatever the complaints against his performances in the 6 nations, it has got to be better than the 'cowardly lion' role being played by Gordon D'Arcy (who looks like a n00b - very nervous & unsure, just like his Lions performances!), nevermind the schoolboy errors being made by the pack when it comes to scrumming, rucking & even re-entry to a maul.

Handling errors are unforgiveable when the staple of the game is 'ball carrying'.

I can't believe the amount of excuses being made for these players when the indications of problems were so apparent from the world cup warm ups in relation to basics of the game like scrumming, ball handling & even ball recycling.

Excluding Murphy from the squad & not even playing him for a full game is nothing short of criminal.

I have to say - Boss being passed over for Redden is understandable, as while Boss is good at quick ball recycling - some of his decisions at the best of times are mind boggling

Nevermind the under-use of Flannery as a 'super-sub' - borderline shocking!!!!! :eek:

Adn as for Murphy being out of chances to provve himself, sorry - but even as a Leinster fan, I'd pick Rob Kearney over "Swervin Gervin" in a heartbeat (well - I'd still pick Johnny Sexton over Dr Phil for leinster too!!!!!)

ven0m

nobber wrote:

whoever came up wit the idea of renewing eddie's contract BEFORE the biggest competition in rugby should be shot. there is obviously something seriously wrong in the irish camp and EOS doesnt know how to deal wit it. matter of fact he probably is the problem. his conservative and narrow minded approach to team tactics and team selection are crippleing the team.lookin forward to seeing e reddin in action though.dreading friday.

co-signed

Danie Gerber

I'd like to know where the rumour started? It's fact that EOS said what he said, but has Murph made any noises about leaving the squad or are we all soeculating about a rumour here?

marco_polo

RugBeir wrote:

MaroPolo -you have just proved it yourself. To lay the blame on the France match on one mistake of Murhpys to the exclusion of dozens of others by everyone else does smack not only of conspiracy, but a deliberate campaign against one player, orchestrated and started by EOS himself.

Wouldnt it have been more fair and more accurate to blame O Connell (dropped ball) or Dempsey(as the no 15) who failed to stop the V. Clerc try that won the match for France. But EOS didnt do that.

Instead of standing by all his players he betrayed one of them, selecting him out for special opprobrium, thus isolating him amongst his colleagues. And now he has the nerve to repeat the public attack today, after a succession of pathetic performances by his super team. A manager that singles out a player like that is only a coward trying to save his own neck.

Saipan all over again - God help us.

I agree that what EOS said was bang out of order. But every time his has given him a chance to nail down a starting place Murphy has let himself down. Under this coach, rightly or wrongly (wrongly I think because GMs form has been good recently) he will not get a chance again unless through injuries to other players, because this is the way it works under EOS for all players.

What I was really disagreeing with was the notion put forward that he is some sort of outcast amongst the rest of the squad.

thebaz

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

as I said on his day he can be the best attacking back in the world

eh ! thats some statement , at his best he does not have the impact of O'Driscoll or Darcy in Ireland , i know if i had a choice of facing Murphy or any of the New Zealand three quaters who i'd choose

anyway its a bad week for Irish sport, so exagerations are understandable !

Hugh_C

Danie Gerber wrote:

I'd like to know where the rumour started?

I think it's speculation, there's nothing about it on any of the other sources.

If he does walk, his career is effectively over at all levels at the age of 29. You can't claw back that respect.

Danie Gerber

I can't see him walking out. Can't see EOS allowing it. You can say about EOS what you want but the players have always all been right behind him..., in public anyway. He's pretty good at keeping his players in line (happy).

If he's hurt Murphs feelings I'm sure a private chat will make it all go away. Murphy's no Roy Keane!

Chucky the tree

hughchal wrote:

If he does walk, his career is effectively over at all levels at the age of 29. You can't claw back that respect.

I cant see lecister giving a toss.

Worrytahs

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

great contribution.

Ok doke, if you need something further to that: The 'George Best of Rugby Union' tagger was something a commentator blurted out when presiding over an ERC game on TV. It was then blown out of proportion, like a lot of journalistic diatribes concerning the sport tend to be, and hey presto, a very loud chinese whisper was born, much like the current shash being spouted about Geordan Murphy leaving the squad. If he retires from international rugby union, I don't think somebody like Murphy would do so in the middle of a RWC even after being left out of the squad. I don't agree with the omission from a bench spot myself but to say folk are overreacting without even thinking would be an understatement.

Sangre

Of all the players who have reason to walk out Murphy isn't even at the top of the list e.g. N Best, Quinlan

I disagree. On his day Murphy is simply world class and certainly as good in his position as all those above mentioned are in theirs. The difference between Murphy and the players mentioned above is they consistently perform to world class standards while we only see flashes of the excellence we know Murphy is capable of. He still performs to a good standard but not always to the standard of world class but the point I was making was that he can.

as I said on his day he can be the best attacking back in the world

They didn't used to call him ''The George Best of Rugby Union'' for nothing

Well I'll take your opinion but I couldn't disagree more. Even on his best days Murphy doesn't even come close to Latham as an attacking fullback or Rockoco or Habana as wings. Do you watch much of these players outside of friendlies/internationals?

LuckyLloyd

Murphy's career for Ireland is riddled with errors and bad performances. He does it in the English league? So what.

If he left the squad - I would say good riddance.

EdgarAllenPoo

I wouldn't be surprised if he left but I don't think that will happen. It would do his image no good to be seen to be the "Roy Keane" of rugby. He is right to be PO'd that Trimble is in and he's not.

siochain

SpAcEd OuT wrote:

Hes right to as well.

I feel that the way not only the management but the way the whole team has treated Murphy has been completely unfair. The Management and the team have publicly berated Murphy for the France game when in reality it wasn't his fault.

Murphy was the only reason we didn't lose to Scotland, If the ref had allowed advantage Murphy would have scored a winning try against France. EOS has never liked Murphy and it seems he has turned the whole squad against a player who,and I truely believe this, on his day is the best attacking back in the world.

The fact that EOS, after the first 2 abysmal displays by Ireland, has left Murphy not only out of the starting 15 but out of the 22 man squad is a final slap in the face

Its a disgrace.

I agree with all you say apart from 'Hes right to as well' (walk out). I know him well enough, he's a bigger man to be able to take this set back again from EOS.

EOS is clueless. I really hope the team pull a big surprise out of teh bag on Friday night.

thebaz

While i agree Murphy has been shabbily treated , his impact for Ireland has been minimal, whereas Keane had been a collusus for Ireland , and had massive impact in getting Ireland to Korea

padser

GDM wrote:

IHe is right to be PO'd that Trimble is in and he's not.

In that case how do you think he feels about Gavin Duffy also being in front him?

Seriously though I know there are lots of people out there that don't think Murphy should be in Ireland's first XV but can anyone honestly tell me that they can see any sense in putting Duffy ahead of him?

Also can anyone see EOS logic of demoting a guy from the bench without giving him any chance in the RWC? (cameo against Namibia aside). It's as if EOS wanted to make some changes but rather then risk to much change on the actual team decided to make one unenformced change on the team and one in the subs. Ridiculas imo

spanner

padser wrote:

In that case how do you think he feels about Gavin Duffy also being in front him?

Seriously though I know there are lots of people out there that don't think Murphy should be in Ireland's first XV but can anyone honestly tell me that they can see any sense in putting Duffy ahead of him?

Also can anyone see EOS logic of demoting a guy from the bench without giving him any chance in the RWC? (cameo against Namibia aside). It's as if EOS wanted to make some changes but rather then risk to much change on the actual team decided to make one unenformced change on the team and one in the subs. Ridiculas imo

exactly

Murphy has not been great for ireland but to put him in front of Gavin Duffy is maddness. He definately would have more ability to change the game than duffy.
I think If I was Murphy I would call a end to international rugby, up to now he has been left out due to form which is fair enough but this decision is a real smack in the face.

The comment that he doesnt play well againist france is unbelivable, if that how he bases selection decisions we are in trouble

ALH-06

I think its completely understandable that Murphy has been left out of the squad for Friday. Its against France, and he just doesnt have a good record against them. Simple as that.

Lets not overlook the whole mental aspect to this game. Its the BIGGEST consideration this week. Murphy has had harrowing experiences playing this team in the last two years. He might prove to be a liability in defense (Croker '07) or in attack (Paris '06). So EOS is taking no chances. Mental strength is the difference between victory and defeat at this level and here Murphy is flaky.

He's a great player and the way he's being treated is unfortunate but his omition makes perfect sense.

spanner

ALH-06 wrote:

I think its completely understandable that Murphy has been left out of the squad for Friday. Its against France, and he just doesnt have a good record against them. Simple as that.

But could you honestly say that Gavin Duffy is better than Murphy?
and because he has played badly twice againist France that he is set to play badly forever against them, if anything he would of tried to raise his game

ALH-06

Its nothing to do with raising your game. Sometimes these things go deeper, they're subconscious. No-one can say that those missed tackles / intercepted passes won't still be at the back of his mind, no matter what he'd try to do if he played...

siochain

spanner wrote:

But could you honestly say that Gavin Duffy is better than Murphy?
and because he has played badly twice againist France that he is set to play badly forever against them, if anything he would of tried to raise his game

fully agree spanner,