US / IRL: 3X01 - "Orientación" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT SEEN "ORIENTATIÓN" -

Episode Title: "Orientación"
Airdate: September 17th 2007

TV.com Summary:

Now locked up in a Panamanian prison known as Sona, Michael, T-Bag, Bellick, and Mahone try to find a way out. Much to their devastation, they soon find out that the prison has been abandoned by the authorities because of the immense threat from the vile inmates.

Michael seeks for an inmate named Whistler in the prison sewers.

As Lincoln is puzzled by Sara's sudden disappearance, he learns that LJ has gotten into some trouble. He also tries to recover the 5 million dollars.

Next Episode: 3X02 - "

Fire/Water

" - September 24th 2007

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SPOILER WARNING:

From now on, this thread shall reveal details of the episode mentioned above. If you have not yet seen this episode, please do not move any further down the thread.

This episode shall air on:

Fox (US) - September 17th 2007
RTÉ2 (UK/IRL) - September 20th 2007
Sky One (UK/IRL) - September 23th 2007

If you are sure you have seen the episode as mentioned above (on the channels on those original airdates), you can move down further in order to discuss the episode.

Otherwise, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED - there shall be major plot details of the episode revealed and discussed below with no spoiler tags used!

Basq

As you can see, i'm now adapting a single discussion thread approach for US / IRL airings as the airdate is only 3 days apart.

Oh, and i'd also like to thank everyone (Baby4, prospect, Jello, Rollo Tamasi) who posted up IRL discussion threads during the last few months. It was much appreciated!

nagero

/me likes the new opening credits. Nice blending of the Sona imagery echoing the old one.

topher182

8

<SNIP>

MOD EDIT:topher182.. this isn't the first time you alluded to downloading / torrents. If it happens again, it's an immediate ban.

qz

7

"Orientación" and

"Fire/Water"

"Tabula Rasa" next maybe?

topher182

8

sorry man! lets face facts tho everyone downloads it!

skibum

6

Do we have to wait until thursday evening to discuss this episode?

Basq

skibum wrote:

Do we have to wait until thursday evening to discuss this episode?

Nope.. as i said in my original post - the discussion threads will start discussion of the episode after airing in the States.

So people who will watch on Thursday should avoid the thread until after they see the episode as it will be discussed in un-spoilered format here.

topher182

8

oh sorry i thought that this thread was for people who watch it on US time! sorry man didnt read it properly!

Basq

topher182 wrote:

oh sorry i thought that this thread was for people who watch it on US time! sorry man didnt read it properly!

It is.... it's for both!

But people who watch it on US time will discuss it after it airs in the States (i.e last night) and people who watch it on IRL time will discuss it here after it airs on RTÉ2 on Thursday (so people who are watching on RTÉ2 should avoid the thread until after they see it).

Anyone else understand? It was the same protocol used with the 'Lost' discussion threads for the second half of season 3 (as US and IRL airings were very close together)

skibum

6

With that sorted, does anybody else get the feeling of deja vu with this opening episode? Don't get me wrong a couple of my theories as to what was going to happen were blown out the window, but at the end of the episode I thought "here we go again?"

Still enjoyed it and can't wait for next week

weemcd

8

What can i say, did no disappoint.

Sona has the most intense, strange atmosphere, light hearted and reggae-village like one minute, then a brutal savage depraved hole the next, some great uses of hummour along with the tension and violence we're used to an utterly action packed episode

gave it 9/10

anyone notice any interesting tit bits?

Stench Blossoms

6

Good episode. I thought it was much more of a "grusome" kind of episode.

topher182

8

i actually cant wait to see it! its gonna rule!

big_moe

7

orla wrote:

I thought it was much more of a "grusome" kind of episode.

me too. very gritty and violent.

looks like it should be a good season!

moe

Gingervitis

7

hmm...
chicken=rat? or something else...yummy...
At least the week timeframe to bust out Whistler should speed things up, hopefully it's not gonna be the whole season in there

big_moe

7

Gingervitis wrote:

hmm...
chicken=rat? or something else...yummy...

ITS HUMAN!

deman

7

|Cookies wrote:

i wonder what T-Bag's game is?

T-bag's game is what t-bag does. Look after number one. So that means to stay on the good side of the big boss man. That's where Schofield slipped up.

Creamy Goodness

Gingervitis wrote:

At least the week timeframe to bust out Whistler should speed things up

considering season 2 was less than a week in the timeline of things i see that same timeframe for this season.

it was a good episode and nearly cried when they said sara was dead .

8/10

Gingervitis

7

Seems that Whistler's a bit of a Schofield in terms of brains, it was a clever move sticking the same note on each fighter so at least one guy would get the message out. It seems the woman screaming for the bodies to be brought out is Company property... and that chick in the bar is a fox...no prize for guessing how she got those scratches, meeow!

What's Linc gonna do now? Next week's promo shows him running around a lot and fighting, (as usual) but he can't really do much else except be the go-between for Michael and the Company.

Pretty clever (though morbid) the way they take no chances with any bodies coming out..

Typical codes...Versailles, 1989 (or something) and Real Madrid? must be the new way to carry on the tattoo motif, i suppose it nearly defines the frikkin' show!

Best scenes involved Mahone, as always, "We're not savages"-just after breaking a guy's neck! It's cool to see him motivated to Michael alive just to save his skin, i suppose it would be too much of a stretch even for Prison Break's logic to have them team up!

Good start, hope the series gets edgier than the pretty much sanitised 2nd season.

Agamemnon

7

Good opening episode, gave it 8/10. Great to have it back! \o/

Sarah has been written out fairly quickly, hope she returns at the end to wrap up her story, if only for one episode.

That chick in the opening scene and at the hotel was a babe. I'm getting over the loss of Sarah already. Apparently the actress who plays her is called Jodi Lyn O'Keefe. I may have to bump the Prison Break Babes Picture Thread when I find out more.

It was funny to see Bellick cleaning the jacks. Why were his clothes taken and not Michael's, T-Bag's or Mahone's? He must have said "bite me" to the wrong person again.

Mossy Monk

7

I thought it was great. Loved it when Michael kicked that guy in the knee. I laughed.

Caked Karen

7

enjoyed the episode! thought it was good but i think its because i was so excited to have it back

setting up to be a good season with everything going on - there are plenty story lines opened thats for sure!

sarah should be back at some stage. as far as i know its that she is heavily pregnant i think so she's not in it, not that she has been written out! maybe when the find her and LJ or whatever then she can come back for a once off!they cant just get rid of her considering so much was based around her falling for michael and visa versa and helping in the last 2 seasons!

Linc got rid of his stubble - sorry but am a lady and tis hard not to look!

topher182

8

watched the episode last night and i was so happy with it! everything ya could of wanted in an episode! BRING ON 3x02

Kanney

9

Loved it, Mahone kicked some serious tail in this episode. I really like his charachter, and they way he killed and then made the rules excuse so as not to have anything brought back on him, genius, and of course the Michael knee stomp was hilarious. BAM bitch went down.

User45701

6

I thought it was alright, nothing special but the last line by lincon was terrible, youve got one week to get him out of there or thel kill sara and whats his name.

They could have come out with something better. Still tho should be interesting but seems to me its trying to be a kooler/more dangerous version of Adubisi in Oz but that was allot better than the bbg who is running Sona.

All in all 7/10 but in no way worth staying up to 1.30 to watch it like i did last nite

topher182

8

Kanney wrote:

Loved it, Mahone kicked some serious tail in this episode. I really like his charachter, and they way he killed and then made the rules excuse so as not to have anything brought back on him, genius, and of course the Michael knee stomp was hilarious. BAM bitch went down.

I agree 100% with this post! he was brilliant!

tvnutz

Mahone is a great character and William Fichtner is a great actor. Also great a addition to the cast is Robert Wisdom from the Wire.

Was a good episode,even if it is basically the same storyline as season 1 again. the prison is obviously far more interesting this time. I wonder what they will do with Linc for a whole season though. There can't be that much to do on the outside for 22 episodes!

Agamemnon

7

Maybe Linc will spend his time trying to get LJ back. IIRC, Linc is supposed to have a love interest this season. Maybe it's that chick working for the Company that met him in the hotel.

Rollo Tamasi

4

I thought it was plain terrible. What a waste of time.

I can see season 3 of prison break getting very boring very quickly.

They dragged S2 out as much as they could and I could see glimpses within this episode already that they're going to over emphasize simple things just to stretch the episode each week to 40 minutes.

I gave it 5.

Holsten

2

Thought it was totally meh, I mean, we're back to the start of season 1.

Can't see it being anywhere close to 1 or 2.

Mr E

8

I liked it alot..... great to have it back!

No doubt basquille is watching it a scene at a time with notebook in hand.

Basq

I was biding my time Dave... ya smart-arse!

Truth is i got too stuck into Crackdown to even think of posting up here.

I thought it was well.... good. Nothing special. Nowhere as good as the first episode of Season 2 was.

The new prison is great. Fantastic to see William Fichtner, Wade Williams and Robert Knepper all being put to good use in their support roles.

But i really fail to see how they're gonna stretch this over a whole season. I mean he has a week to break out Whistler so either the first half of the season will be that week or the entire season, it just seems a bit tiresome.

The new characters do all feel a like cliches from better (and from the outset, much deeper) characters from 'Oz'.... or is that just me?!

Anyways, i'm looking forward to next week but i certainly didn't get too pumped from this opening. It seemed to go by quite slowly.. there's only so much of Michael sitting down pining and staring at the other prisoners in fear i can take.

I'd give it a 6 probably.

Creamy Goodness

also being nitpicky here, but anyone notice they didn't apply any of mike's tattoo as his t-shirt's neckline was fairly low especially during the rainy and the fight scenes?

Rollo Tamasi

4

yup, he stood out like a sore thumb in that jail.
Everyone else is wearing jocks and a wife beater and our man is wearing jeans, a full length sleeved t-shirt, a jumper and a jacket. meh,

real_484

3

was looking forward to it after season 1 and 2 but felt very dissappointed by the end, just a bit of a rehash nothing special.
Hoping LJ gets its, very annoying character, the writers just seem to be forcing it.

L31mr0d

6

gave it a 7. But its getting a little far fetched now. The last 2 seasons where at least believeable.

I'm basing my score purely on that this episode was doing exactly what it said on the tin, orientating the audience to the environment this season is going to be in and showing how the relationship archs are going to develop. Once again Micheal is under pressure to perform and he has a number of hurdles to overcome to excape. Being a viewer that liked season 1 more than season 2, i'm glad to see Micheal back in a prison environment figuring out a new way to excape, this time on the fly and without pre thought

zuutroy

Good fun. Loved when Mahone did in the guy and then repeated the rules to the boss

crimsonfire

7

My recollection of the end of the last season isnt so good so forgive me if i state the blindingly obvious/completely ridiculous.

Is the company involved in this kidnap blackmail scheme? I recall Kim saying they wanted Scofield alive last season anyway as well as padman alluding to needing him in some way.

Why are they giving Bellick such a hard time yet treating the other Americans with (relative) respect?

Overall a good episode, gave it 8/10. Docked marks cos its lost that "edge" ever so slightly but i suppose thats a symptom of the new setting and tone of the show. No way to know which way its gonna go. The plot shifted wildly over the course of a few episodes previously so who the hell knows where everyone will be in 4-6 episodes time?

Jello

8

Really enjoyed it. Sona is indeed a very interesting, fun (to watch), gruesome, wacky place. Will be interesting to see where they go from here.

lukin

Now I know what to do if I get into a fight with a guy bigger than me.
Not a great start. I'd already seen the first half on that link that was posted up here so maybe that's why I thought it was a let-down. Typical US TV, milking a cash-cow, realistically a show with a concept like PB can only run for two seasons.
On the ep itself, I agree with the poster who said it was bit unrealistic that the head guy in Sona accepted T-Bag like that (unless he's a fruit, which I doubt).
Lincoln is totally under-used so far, running around like a headless chicken.
Dunno what that note was all about, "Real Madrid?" I though the yanks hated soccer.

shinny

8

Personally, I really liked it. I'm loving Mahone and as has been said already it was great him helping Michael, for his own means of course.

I don't think it's too far fetched for the boss to have accepted T-Bag. Remember, he said they got the news there and of course he will have seen what T-Bag did. Better to have a man like that on your team, than on the other.

Did they get wind that Bellick was an ex prison gaurd, hence why he is treated like a dog? That's what I suspect. They seem to have the low down on everyone.

Linc is starting to bore me now, has to be said. I prefer Mahone, T-Bag and Bellick to have more air time and of course the lovely Michael !!

AdMMM

6

Did anyone else find that the first fight scene in the rain reminded them of 300?

idlesupernova

I have a feeling Lincon will end up in Sona helping Michael getting out while fighting some guy to death in the pit! Something will go wrong and Lincon will end up there.

Acidflash

|Cookies wrote:

i feel it will be half the season inside Sona, break out, then the end will be something to do with The Company.

agreed. it could go down the x files route. hopefully not tho!

good episode. good to have T-bag back on screen

gustavo

7

Good enough episode , the main guy in the prison that organizes the fights is definetly a bit hammy in the old acting. this guy that wants to break out will be important cant wait to see what actor plays him . at least they managed in the first episode to show what the plot arc will be for the series , no Kellerman yet though I hope he's still alive

shinny

8

gustavo wrote:

Good enough episode , the main guy in the prison that organizes the fights is definetly a bit hammy in the old acting. this guy that wants to break out will be important cant wait to see what actor plays him . at least they managed in the first episode to show what the plot arc will be for the series , no Kellerman yet though I hope he's still alive

Gustavo, this guy plays him Chris Vance He's an English actor who moved to Oz and starred in All Saints before Prison Break.

covert

Like the opening credits images, but the slightly different musical arrangement lost a little bit of the air of tension in the previous version.

A concept series like this is always going to lose it's freshness as it progresses (e.g. 24, Lost), but the great thing about Prison Break (series 1 in particular) was that it was clear the writers were having a blast, and almost every character was a prison cliché they could have fun with. I think this series will repeat that, and there's the potential for a lot more violence too. I thought the old schoolyard "I'm not going to fight him" then take out his knee bit was hilarious - and Mahone's little air punch or whatever it was after that just ruled.

So I'll say 8, with high hopes for the series set-up to come. It's going to be Schofield, Mahone and Bellick (who is the one with access to Whistler), plus maybe this NBA-loving Panamanian vs Kingpin and T-Bag.

It's hard to care about LJ on the outside, so hopefully the new babe will liven things up there, and we could do with more of the hooker nun too!!

Gizzle

7

Gave it an 8 myself. It would have gotten higher but the episode was missing something I feel, wasn't as gripping as say the start of series one, maybe because the premise has lost its impact? It was still good though. Hopefully McElroy...I mean, Mahone, will be able to keep it together during his cold turkey.

lukin

Obviously Mahone only wanted Michael to survive the fight because he needs him alive so he can to testify at his trial (although I doubt Michael will want to do that).
I hope it isn't like season one where the whole series is inside the prison. That would be boring as we've seen it all before. Hopefully they'll come up with a fresh angle, I don't know what that might be though.
If they do something like having the other prisoners get wind of Michael's escape plan and demanding to be let in on it too, I will stop watching as that's a total season one re-hash.

~Rebel~

6

Thought it was decent, give it a 7.

It is kind of a rehash of season 1, but at the same time with enough changes to make it interesting. Seems to be no prison guards or anything inside so there can be plenty of no holds barred prisoner on prisoner action, as we've already seen. I too foresee that they'll be getting out around the middle, maybe with Michael shafting T-bag (the Anti-Michael) so he ends up staying there which rectifies Michaels conscience after letting him loose on the public.

I think we haven't totally seen the last of the other characters either though, we still have Marie-Cruz locked away someplace so Sucre will be trying to get to Bellick as well.