Cork Airsoft battles

ronanq

Hi,

next weekend I am planning to shoot a bit of my no budget movie. It involves two airsoft battles. On Saturday, bad guys decend on a druid sacrifice and kill everyone. On Sunday, the bad guys get killed in a hale of bullets.

This might be a fun way for Cork people interested in airsoft getting together and have a meet and greet. I'll update this thread with locations and times when I have organised it.

Anyone interested should send me their number or email via private message.


Cheers

Hivemind187

I presume that all of your "shoot locations" are on private land, that you have permission to be there and you are away from the public view?

If its on public land or close to where non-airsofters will be then I would recommend not doing this at all because it would be illegal or at the very least highly irresponsible.

ronanq

We won't be firing any bb's. It would be silly to have bb's firing out of the gun. The muzzle flare and bullets will be generated in post. I think your concerns are based on a lack on understanding of the process.

As regards the location, although i have not finalised it yet, of course, it will be provate land. You can't shoot anywhere without permission even public land. You can't use any footage, music, anything without the proper permission.

As regards being close to non-airsofters, everyone on camera has to give permission to be filmed. I presume you have had some bad experiences because your conerns seem wholely over the top.

Silverfish

Well then they could just have a meet and greet in a pub!

Basically what you're looking for then is unpaid extras?

ronanq

This is aimed at people who have replica equipment and like the idea of being in a no budget movie. Extras would be an apt description. The characters have no lines. They basically gun people down. It should be fun and everyone will get a dvd copy.

Hivemind187

ronanq wrote:

We won't be firing any bb's. It would be silly to have bb's firing out of the gun. The muzzle flare and bullets will be generated in post. I think your concerns are based on a lack on understanding of the process.

As regards the location, although i have not finalised it yet, of course, it will be provate land. You can't shoot anywhere without permission even public land. You can't use any footage, music, anything without the proper permission.

As regards being close to non-airsofters, everyone on camera has to give permission to be filmed. I presume you have had some bad experiences because your conerns seem wholely over the top.

Actually your reaction seems a little over the top. I am expressing an honest concern considering the level of detail contained in your post.

Firstly, brandishing an Airsoft device in public is considered a criminal offense and could lead to criminal prosecution and while I honestly dont give a toss what happens to you as an individual I do care about the fate of Airsoft and whether it is brought into disrepute by irresonsible parties.

Second, I am fully aware of the processes involved in movie making and have some experience in the area, it is not the issue of BB's flying but of running around with what appear to be fully automatic weapons that concerns me, as well as people messing about on public land. As you can imagine, a bunch of people getting arrested in Cork with Airsoft kit is going to look mighty bad in the press.

Third, you came in and declared that you are making a movie and are going to be using airsoft equipment for a shoot out. You didnt give any details or information about the story boarding, the methods or whether you intended it to be viewed as an "airsoft movie" or just an action movie. It is not unreasonable to then ask if you have obtained the permissions etc to do this when you bring it to the attention of the airsoft community.

Lastly, we have had some bad press in the past and I am sure you can understand that unknown persons playing silly buggers with a video camera and Airsoft kit is not exactly how we hoped the sport would come to the attention of the general public.

That said, if you have taken the proper precautions and understand what you are doing and are operating in a responsible manner then all the best in your movie making.

ronanq

I don't know what your problem is. All I am doing is making a fun movie and looking to get some realistic looking guns for the finale. No movie uses loaded guns, every movie from a short to a feature length has permissions to use locations. If your issue was that i did not include enough details in my orginal post then all you had to do was ask for more details. Instead you prefer to make over the top comments to create conflict. Try w**king it's more fun.

o1s1n

ronanq wrote:

Try w**king it's more fun.

Any more of that and you'll be banned. Calm down.

kdouglas

ronanq: you wont make many friends around here with an attitude like that, hivemind was justified in his comments as many people have come on here with questionable motives, if you plan on using airsoft in any place, you must have permission etc.. etc.. and inform local gardai that you will have people running around with replica weapons, we dont want to see the headlines of next sundays newspaper about crazy fools running around some place in cork with replica firearms "that can be converted to fire real bullets"*, "could maim or kill"* and are "completely illegal"*, oh and lest we forget, "wont somebody please think of the children"...

you've clarified your intentions and satisfied the question regarding private land etc, so that's fine, now lets all play nice....

Im in dublin myself, so wont be able to help you out as an extra, but it sounds like it could be fun for the lads living down that way to meet up, have a laugh and maybe go for a few pints after


*=Just so my post can not be misconstrued, none of these things are true, but just examples of the ridiculous things the media try to claim

bullets

ronanq wrote:

Try w**king it's more fun.

Try winking?


Sorry! could not resist.

~B

kdouglas

working maybe?

Winters

walking? God knows most of us on boards need some exercise.

iceage

lolol:D guys, you can't beat a bit of winking, whilst walking to diffuse a tense situation, but a good w**k generally chills everybody out!!:D

Harekin

Since when was it illegal to have an Airsoft device in public?

If you use it to mug/rob someone and they believe its real you can get charged as if it was a real gun, but its not illegal to have a replica in public. It may be against the IAA charter, and be a stupid thing to do but its not illegal.

Hivemind187

Harekin wrote:

Since when was it illegal to have an Airsoft device in public?

If you use it to mug/rob someone and they believe its real you can get charged as if it was a real gun, but its not illegal to have a replica in public. It may be against the IAA charter, and be a stupid thing to do but its not illegal.

Brandishing an offensive device in public is an offense. Walk down Bray main street with a Styer Aug slung over your shoulder will get you arrested and probably slapped around a bit by the ERU.

Harekin

Its not considered a firearm or an offensive weapon if its under 1J. Infact due to a lack of legislation it has no official designation other than "not a firearm".

Hivemind187

Harekin wrote:

Its not considered a firearm or an offensive weapon if its under 1J. Infact due to a lack of legislation it has no official designation other than "not a firearm".

Brandished in a threatening manner makes it a weapon Harekin. Wandering around in public with one, without context such as a huge sign saying "Movie Shoot In Progress Do Not Panic", will be considered brandishing in a threatening manner in any court, by any judge and certainly by any Gardai you an unfortunate enough to encounter.

And for the record, it is on the "IAA Code of Conduct" not specifically in the "IAA constitution" ... we dont have a charter.

Harekin

I wasnt saying that at all, I was refuting the fact you specifically stated "brandishing an Airsoft device in public is considered a criminal offense and could lead to criminal prosecution" which is untrue.

o1s1n

Harekin wrote:

I wasnt saying that at all, I was refuting the fact you specifically stated "brandishing an Airsoft device in public is considered a criminal offense and could lead to criminal prosecution" which is untrue.

Are you serious? Brandishing an airsoft device in a public place would indeed lead to criminal prosecution. Thinking or saying otherwise is stupidity.

Lemming

Harekin,

walk down a street, with something like a sword in a sheath for example, and tell me what happens when the gardai catch up with you.

Same difference for airsoft. Whether or not it's designated as a firearm or not under law makes not a blind bit of difference and you'll be p*ssing into a tornado that's throwing it all back in your face to try and argue that point with the powers that be. And you'll be wrong anyway. Brandishing a replica or real-steel in public is still brandishing and that's the way the law will (rightly) perceive it. Same way that a weapon does not have to be a sword or a gun or a knife. It can be a stick of wood for all they care, since it's all about perception if you're wielding it like it could be used as a weapon.

kdouglas

gotta disagree with you harekin, the problem is that if a single member of the public feels threatened by your presence carrying a replica (and/or thinks it is real), or if the gardai can prove/claim that there was a significant chance someone would feel threatened, you can and will be charged as if you were carrying a real weapon

as said, walking down bray main street (or o'connell street for us dubliners) with an aeg over your shoulder is gonna get you in a world of trouble, however at Salute! a few weeks ago, there were plenty of us strolling around the show with AEGs over our shoulder (unloaded, no batteries), along with re-enactors carrying replicas, blank firers, swords, spears and such... this was acceptable and non-threatening because of the nature of the event

jayf1

o1s1n wrote:

Are you serious? Brandishing an airsoft device in a public place would indeed lead to criminal prosecution. Thinking or saying otherwise is stupidity.

ok i think some of you have this a bit wrong. an airsoft divice is a piece of soprting equipment and as such brandishing it in public will not get you charged as with any other piece of soprting equipment such as a cricket bat or baseball bat but brandishing it in a threating mannor as with any other piece of soprting equipment or anything else will get you charged.

Boston

Hivemind187 wrote:

Brandished in a threatening manner makes it a weapon Harekin.

Furthermore it would be consider class 5 assault afaik. You wouldn't even have to use it, brandishing a weapon (remember anything can be considered a weapon in context) at someone in a threatening manner would do. Don't believe that, mounthjoy is home to plenty who picked up a pint glass and went for someone.

Lemming

jayf1 wrote:

ok i think some of you have this a bit wrong. an airsoft divice is a piece of soprting equipment and as such brandishing it in public will not get you charged as with any other piece of soprting equipment such as a cricket bat or baseball bat but brandishing it in a threating mannor as with any other piece of soprting equipment or anything else will get you charged.

*sigh* Tell me what an airsoft device can look like to the untrained eye. And then tell me what a cricket bat looks like.

Spot any difference?

If you can answer that, you should KNOW why you'd end up with a prosecution on your hands for brandishing. If you can't answer that, you shouldn't be handling airsoft kit until you actually can answer that very simple and brutally obvious question

kdouglas

jayf1 wrote:

ok i think some of you have this a bit wrong. an airsoft divice is a piece of soprting equipment and as such brandishing it in public will not get you charged as with any other piece of soprting equipment such as a cricket bat or baseball bat but brandishing it in a threating mannor as with any other piece of soprting equipment or anything else will get you charged.

the difference here is that an airsoft device is also a replica firearm, a baseball bat is still a baseball no matter what way you look at it.

try walking down the road with a non-firing replica firearm or a deactivated firearm and see what kind of reaction you get?

to the general public, an airsoft device looks like a firearm, and therefore they will assume that it is

Edit: anyway.... this thread is getting awfully off-topic and these issues regarding carrying airsoft in public have been discussed plenty of times before, just dont do it, even if you think its a silly rule and there's no harm in it, better safe than getting shot by the ERU because someone thought you were carrying a real gun!

Boston

jayf1 wrote:

ok i think some of you have this a bit wrong. an airsoft divice is a piece of soprting equipment and as such brandishing it in public will not get you charged as with any other piece of soprting equipment such as a cricket bat or baseball bat but brandishing it in a threating mannor as with any other piece of soprting equipment or anything else will get you charged.

We'll that would be your defense and it would be up to the gardi/Dup/Jury/judge to decide on if it was threatening. At which stage you've spent a night in the ceils.

jayf1

Lemming wrote:

*sigh* Tell me what an airsoft device can look like to the untrained eye. And then tell me what a cricket bat looks like.

Spot any difference?

If you can answer that, you should KNOW why you'd end up with a prosecution on your hands for brandishing. If you can't answer that, you shouldn't be handling airsoft kit until you actually can answer that very simple and brutally obvious question

ok look at some of the toy guns that kids have can you spot any difference?
how many kids have been charged?
and the fact that there is so many people that use airsoft that are going on about it as if it was a real weapon really makes me wonder how long it will be before it does need a licence for it. it is a pice of sporting equipment and you should always remember that and talk about it as that because if you dont you will make the case for anyone that does want it licenced without them having to do anything. and i for one really dont want to ever see that day.

kdouglas

ok, go to your nearest toy shop and buy a toy gun,place it down beside an airsoft gun and tell me which one has luminous paint and/or flashy lights all over it?

Walking around in public, with what basically amounts to a replica firearm (which, let's admit it, most airsoft guns are) is just asking for trouble, be safe, carry them in proper bags/cases and dont go waving them around in your local shopping centre.

Lemming

jayf1 wrote:

ok look at some of the toy guns that kids have can you spot any difference?
how many kids have been charged?
and the fact that there is so many people that use airsoft that are going on about it as if it was a real weapon really makes me wonder how long it will be before it does need a licence for it. it is a pice of sporting equipment and you should always remember that and talk about it as that because if you dont you will make the case for anyone that does want it licenced without them having to do anything. and i for one really dont want to ever see that day.

Umm .... under 16. Over 16. Child. Adult. You DO know that the state handles each category differently right? I sincerely f*cking pray to God f*cking almighty that you do because I do not want to pick up a paper and see a picture of you in it after having gotten arrested.

The reason why "so many people" going on about airsoft kit and that it should be treated like real-steel is precisely because we DON'T want it to become licensed because some stupid little f*cktard did something stupid. Like walk down a street brandishing an AEG in full view of the public.

Are people really so naieve and lacking in common sense when it comes to airsoft and the law?

jayf1

kdouglas wrote:

ok, go to your nearest toy shop and buy a toy gun,place it down beside an airsoft gun and tell me which one has luminous paint and/or flashy lights all over it?

i'm sure i could go to any toy shop and buy a toy gun that has neither flashy lights or luminous paint anywhere on them.

and thats off the point anyway my point was that it is sporting equipment and having it walking down the street is not going to get you charged its whatever your doing with it that might get you charged as with anything else.

Boston

I'll argue devils advocate here. Lets say you wouldn't get arrested, for carrying them in full view. You would scare alot of people and get the sport as a whole a bad name. It wouldn't be long before pressure would be placed to ban the sport, and you know what scum politicians in general are, they do it if they thought it would make them look better.

Hivemind187

jayf1 wrote:

ok look at some of the toy guns that kids have can you spot any difference?
how many kids have been charged?

Because the Gardai cant prosecute minors. Duhh. Walk into the AIB with one of those "kids toys" and count to ten. When you see all of the burly men dressed in black tactical gear you can try your "but you dont prosecute kids" defense.

jayf1 wrote:

and the fact that there is so many people that use airsoft that are going on about it as if it was a real weapon really makes me wonder how long it will be before it does need a licence for it. it is a pice of sporting equipment and you should always remember that and talk about it as that because if you dont you will make the case for anyone that does want it licenced without them having to do anything. and i for one really dont want to ever see that day.

You clearly missed the 3 week argument over that one six months ago.

The fact is that the majority of airsofters are responsible and do not call their equipment WEAPONS.

Lemming

jayf1 wrote:

i'm sure i could go to any toy shop and buy a toy gun that has neither flashy lights or luminous paint anywhere on them.

and thats off the point anyway my point was that it is sporting equipment and having it walking down the street is not going to get you charged its whatever your doing with it that might get you charged as with anything else.

Jebus god help us.

If you walk down the street with airsoft kit in full view of the public, at the very least you are going to end up on charges of breach of the peace and causing a public nuisance. You'll also have your airsoft kit seized and possibly never returned/auctioned off/destroyed. More seriously, you might get jail time. At worst, you'll be shot by the ERU when you do something stupid like raise your arm (and to be honest, if it gets to that stage you probably are profoundly stupid enough to do something like that)

jayf1

Lemming wrote:

Umm .... under 16. Over 16. Child. Adult. You DO know that the state handles each category differently right? I sincerely f*cking pray to God f*cking almighty that you do because I do not want to pick up a paper and see a picture of you in it after having gotten arrested.

The reason why "so many people" going on about airsoft kit and that it should be treated like real-steel is precisely because we DON'T want it to become licensed because some stupid little f*cktard did something stupid. Like walk down a street brandishing an AEG in full view of the public.

Are people really so naieve and lacking in common sense when it comes to airsoft and the law?

i think you just contradicted your self a bit thereby saying( going on about airsoft kit and that it should be treated like real-steel) if it was treated like real steel then it will be licenced.

Lemming

jayf1 wrote:

i think you just contradicted your self a bit thereby saying( going on about airsoft kit and that it should be treated like real-steel) if it was treated like real steel then it will be licenced.

For the love of f*cking god .... you know what. I'm not arguing with you any more because you are clearly either a trolling muppet or truly naieve and clueless. Or else you're needle_two in disguise.

Boston

We treat it like real steal, the state doesn't.

Hivemind187

jayf1 wrote:

i think you just contradicted your self a bit thereby saying( going on about airsoft kit and that it should be treated like real-steel) if it was treated like real steel then it will be licenced.

Thats it. I'm sounding the Troll-horn on you JayF1.

Bugger all posts before involving yourself in this conversation. You dont by chance have another handle like, for instance, Needle_two? Or Ion C?

jayf1

Hivemind187 wrote:

Thats it. I'm sounding the Troll-horn on you JayF1.

Bugger all posts before involving yourself in this conversation. You dont by chance have another handle like, for instance, Needle_two? Or Ion C?

no i dont i actually use airsoft myself and i met lemming and a lot of others yestarday.
but thats off the point. the point is that its a piece of sporting equipment and yes you are right if i did walk down the street with one of my guns i more than likely would get pulled by the gaurds but at the end of the day if i'm not doing anything against the law with that piece of sporting equipment then nothing at all should happen to me or anyone else that does the same. and i'm not going to do that but the fact remains that its not against the law for me to do that if i wanted to.

Boston

The law isn't that straight forward. Fact is we don't know for certain what would happen to you. Banking on not being totally fuked over by the irish legal system is not smart.

Lemming

jayf1 wrote:

no i dont i actually use airsoft myself and i met lemming and a lot of others yestarday.
but thats off the point. the point is that its a piece of sporting equipment and yes you are right if i did walk down the street with one of my guns i more than likely would get pulled by the gaurds but at the end of the day if i'm not doing anything against the law with that piece of sporting equipment then nothing at all should happen to me or anyone else that does the same. and i'm not going to do that but the fact remains that its not against the law for me to do that if i wanted to.

That is BRUTALLY naieve. The operative word in that entire paragraph is "should"

Go and do some reading up on the law before posting any more half-baked ideas about how you think the law should work. I'm telling you what would happen. If you are foolish enough to not want to listen because you think you know it all, you deserve everything you get.

Hivemind187

jayf1 wrote:

no i dont i actually use airsoft myself and i met lemming and a lot of others yestarday.
but thats off the point. the point is that its a piece of sporting equipment and yes you are right if i did walk down the street with one of my guns i more than likely would get pulled by the gaurds but at the end of the day if i'm not doing anything against the law with that piece of sporting equipment then nothing at all should happen to me or anyone else that does the same. and i'm not going to do that but the fact remains that its not against the law for me to do that if i wanted to.

Breach of the peace.

Public nuisance.

Anti-social behavior infraction.

Brandishing a weapon (because under law it will be considered one since it has been used in the commission of a crime).

Threatening behavior.

Assault with a deadly weapon and intent to commit assault with a deadly weapon.

Intent to commit armed robbery.

... jesus bro, pick one and go with it. If you are picked up for an offense the deivice ceases to be sporting equipment and becomes a weapon therefore what you were doing was breaking the law with a weapon.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

jayf1

Lemming wrote:

That is BRUTALLY naieve. The operative word in that entire paragraph is "should"

Go and do some reading up on the law before posting any more half-baked ideas about how you think the law should work. I'm telling you what would happen. If you are foolish enough to not want to listen because you think you know it all, you deserve everything you get.

it may be naieve but right now you or anybody else can say for sure i'm wrong so untill its tested in the courts maybe you shpuld stop telling people that they will for sure be charged since nobody knows for sure.

jayf1

Hivemind187 wrote:

Breach of the peace.

Public nuisance.

Anti-social behavior infraction.

Brandishing a weapon (because under law it will be considered one since it has been used in the commission of a crime).

Threatening behavior.

Assault with a deadly weapon and intent to commit assault with a deadly weapon.

Intent to commit armed robbery.

... jesus bro, pick one and go with it. If you are picked up for an offense the deivice ceases to be sporting equipment and becomes a weapon therefore what you were doing was breaking the law with a weapon.

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

its so difficult to grasp because its not a weapon.

jayf1

jayf1 wrote:

its so difficult to grasp because its not a weapon.and if i'm not doing anything wrong then its not against the law

its so difficult to grasp because its not a weapon.and if i'm not doing anything wrong then its not against the law

Lemming

o1s1n, can we have an IP check on jayf1 please? I'm smelling Needle_two / Ion C off these posts. And badly too.

Hivemind187

jayf1 wrote:

it may be naieve but right now you or anybody else can say for sure i'm wrong so untill its tested in the courts maybe you shpuld stop telling people that they will for sure be charged since nobody knows for sure.

HA! Caught!

It has been explained to you that you WOULD be charged. What conviction you got might vary but at the end of the day, brandishing a replica firearm in public is against the law (seriously, if you dont believe me go ask a Gardai or actually look it up).

We are telling people to use their common sense and not to break the law.

As for no one knowing for sure... do you really think that no one has ever used a replica in the commission of a crime? Are you that myopic/naive/stoned/stupid? (delete as appropriate)

jayf1

Lemming wrote:

o1s1n, can we have an IP check on jayf1 please? I'm smelling Needle_two / Ion C off these posts. And badly too.

lemming you can check what you like i met you yestarday i was the one with the m14socom

jayf1

Hivemind187 wrote:

HA! Caught!

It has been explained to you that you WOULD be charged. What conviction you got might vary but at the end of the day, brandishing a replica firearm in public is against the law (seriously, if you dont believe me go ask a Gardai or actually look it up).

We are telling people to use their common sense and not to break the law.

As for no one knowing for sure... do you really think that no one has ever used a replica in the commission of a crime? Are you that myopic/naive/stoned/stupid? (delete as appropriate)

its not classed as a replica firearm ffs read what your typing first

Lemming

jayf1 wrote:

lemming you can check what you like i met you yestarday i was the one with the m14socom

And?

It can be pointed out that you have not once denied posting as Needle_Two or Ion C, despite three posts to the contrary between myself and HiveMind.

Lemming

jayf1 wrote:

its not classed as a replica firearm ffs read what your typing first

Oh, so it couldn't be construed as a replica then? Well then you wont mind painting your soccom a lovely pink colour then will you?

Oh, that's a refusal I here? Why might that be I wonder .... :rolleyes:

jayf1

Lemming wrote:

And?

It can be pointed out that you have not once denied posting as Needle_Two or Ion C, despite three posts to the contrary between myself and HiveMind.

ok just for you lemming
i have never posted as Needle_Two or Ion C

happy now?