my friends a slut when she drinks

pepper

I have known my best friend Alexi since i could walk-she is 21 and doing a degree in collage. But latley she has been acting very out of charchter espically when she drinks.She has started to get a name for herself as the collage bike and im getting worried about her.

She has slept with 7 guys so far this month(and im not joking here) and the longest she knew one of them was 2 days.She has been caught with her sisters bf and more recently it came out she had slept with a professer for a grade.

Im concerned about Pregnancy and Aids as i know shes not having safe sex(she told me) but what worrys me more is her attitude. When anyone talks to her about it she says "im 21 and thats old enough to make me own decisions and who i sleep withs my business.

I am at my wits end here i just want my friend back

K-9

pepper wrote:

Im concerned about Pregnancy and Aids as i know shes not having safe sex(she told me) but what worrys me more is her attitude. When anyone talks to her about it she says "im 21 and thats old enough to make me own decisions and who i sleep withs my business.

I am at my wits end here i just want my friend back

Her Phone Number please! :rolleyes:

Nah seriously, she is 21. All you can do is state the risks about Pregnancy and Sexually transmitted disease as much as possible. Really, if she can't see those risks, there's not much you can do.

Hopefully she gets over this phase before she gets caught.

pbsuxok1znja4r

Slut wrote:

im 21 and thats old enough to make me own decisions and who i sleep withs my business.

Nary a truer word! She's old enough. Obviously she should be having safe sex, though. Slut is generally just a word conservative girls use when they feel threatened or personally uncomfortable in some way with girls who are more sexually liberal.

Sluts are fun, if you're into casual sex (and they're good-looking). Don't knock 'em 'till you tried 'em.

Talliesin

pepper wrote:

im 21 and thats old enough to make me own decisions and who i sleep withs my business.

It is her business who she sleeps with.

Maybe she's making unwise choices that are going to make her unhappy, but you are going to make yourself top of the list of friends she can talk to about it by berating her and calling her a slut.

Jesus Wept

Ah C'mon, she slept with 7 different people in 11 days? And she has been with her sisters boyfriend! She is a slut, and she clearly has issues. Getting with her sisters boyfriend? I mean wtf?

I think you should just cut ties with her OP, clearly you don't have much in common anymore, and she has a bit of a screw lose, no pun intended.

McGinty

Nice term to call your friend. At the end of the day she is an adult, she may be making bad choices according to your moral code book, but at the end of the day she has to live with the consequences. Is her behaviour directly affecting you?

pbsuxok1znja4r

McGinty wrote:

Nice term to call your friend. At the end of the day she is an adult, she may be making bad choices according to your moral code book, but at the end of the day she has to live with the consequences. Is her behaviour directly affecting you?

Well, on the other hand, sometimes you have to view people based on how they treat others, not just how they treat you. If she got it on with her sister's BF, there's probably no reason she'd hesitate to do the same with your BF, is there? No reason to like, condemn her, I guess, but maybe it's an indication she's not the best candidate for a friend...Well, who knows. Something to think about, though.

MagicMarker

pepper wrote:

I have known my best friend Alexi since i could walk-she is 21 and doing a degree in collage. But latley she has been acting very out of charchter espically when she drinks.She has started to get a name for herself as the collage bike and im getting worried about her.

She has slept with 7 guys so far this month(and im not joking here) and the longest she knew one of them was 2 days.She has been caught with her sisters bf and more recently it came out she had slept with a professer for a grade.

Im concerned about Pregnancy and Aids as i know shes not having safe sex(she told me) but what worrys me more is her attitude. When anyone talks to her about it she says "im 21 and thats old enough to make me own decisions and who i sleep withs my business.

I am at my wits end here i just want my friend back

fúck her, for want of a better word.

Doctor DooM

Her life her choices.

You are only young once, and if she wants to enjoy the college years more power to her.

That said, if she is not using protection, and you're her friend, you should let her know this is both bad and wrong. That it is in fact badong.

Was she remorseful about her sisters bf?

purpledragon677

i would say try and talk to here rationally and explain to her wat ppl are beginning to think of her.

if she still refuses to listen there is not much you can do you cannot force her to change try to talk to her in a calm and worried tone and see wat comes from it.

the_syco

pepper wrote:

She has slept with 7 guys so far this month

You want equality, you get equality! She's f**king around, so what? If a guy did this, he'd be labeled a legend. BUT OH NOES! She's a woman, and wimmin must stay a virgin untill they get married, right?

OP, let her know that you're worried, and also that if she gets pregnant, she won't be able to finish her degree for a bit (if the baby pops when the exams start), and also that at her rate, she won't know who the daddy is.

Finally, has she split up with someone recently? If so, this is may be seen as revenge on her part. People sometimes go all out and f**k around after they split up, esp if the split was nasty.

Jesus Wept

the_syco wrote:

You want equality, you get equality! She's f**king around, so what? If a guy did this, he'd be labeled a legend. BUT OH NOES! She's a woman, and wimmin must stay a virgin untill they get married, right?

OP, let her know that you're worried, and also that if she gets pregnant, she won't be able to finish her degree for a bit (if the baby pops when the exams start), and also that at her rate, she won't know who the daddy is.

Finally, has she split up with someone recently? If so, this is may be seen as revenge on her part. People sometimes go all out and f**k around after they split up, esp if the split was nasty.

She will have a grand job working out whose baby it is as she screwed 7 people in 11 days.

I hope the Jerry Springer show have a slot available (no pun intended).

Talliesin

the_syco wrote:

If a guy did this, he'd be labeled a legend.

I'd say he's probably being unwise. I wouldn't consider calling him a slut to be the best way to get that point across though.

Phantron

If she first had sex recently, then maybe she discovered she likes it? It's not unknown for people experienced in it to become sex addicts either. The unprotected part isn't too clever, but maybe she's using the pill and only considers condoms as 'protection'.

Hell, maybe she's lying about the whole thing to get props/a reputation/attention? You haven't actually watched her do it, have you?

Dave!

Seanies32 wrote:

Her Phone Number please! :rolleyes:

Nah seriously, she is 21. All you can do is state the risks about Pregnancy and Sexually transmitted disease as much as possible. Really, if she can't see those risks, there's not much you can do.

Hopefully she gets over this phase before she gets caught.

Agreed! Especially about the phone number part!

She's an adult, and not barely an adult either. She's old enough to make her own decisions (and being "a slut" in and of itself is not a bad thing, despite what her peers, and you, might think). You should give her info about STIs and pregnancy (as a friend), but ultimately it's up to her to heed your advice or not.

Don't beat yourself up about it either, you can't physically restrain her to stop her, so there's nothing more you can do.

Seriously though, her phone number.

K-9

DaveMcG wrote:

Seriously though, her phone number.

Better not say anymore!

scouser.tommy wrote:

Well, on the other hand, sometimes you have to view people based on how they treat others, not just how they treat you. If she got it on with her sister's BF, there's probably no reason she'd hesitate to do the same with your BF, is there? No reason to like, condemn her, I guess, but maybe it's an indication she's not the best candidate for a friend...Well, who knows. Something to think about, though.

Yeah it's fine saying she's a slut and that's ok etc. etc.
but a sisters bf means she doesn't care about any consequences (friends,family,sexual diseases).

the_syco wrote:

You want equality, you get equality! She's f**king around, so what? If a guy did this, he'd be labeled a legend. BUT OH NOES! She's a woman, and wimmin must stay a virgin untill they get married, right?

EH no.....A slut is a slut regardless of gender! F***ing a family members partner does not make anybody a legend! Doing that does not make a girl or fella anybodies equal!

Just makes them............ Not even going to start describing them!

vorbis

tbh even if a male friend of mine ****ed 7 different girls in 11 days, I'd find it a bit ott! He would definetly be a Man slut. It is her own life but her behavior sounds like a cover for some serious messed up issues. Most people don't find 7 new sexual partners in under two weeks!

Not much you really can do if she doesn't want to help herself.

Knockoff Nige

I would think that a guy who has sex 7 times in 11 days is only a legend if its with his new girlfriend (her being not connected to his family member). But yes, her number?

patrickolee

Well, she's right. She's old enough to make her own decisions. It's none of your business. You'd feel sorry for her because she's not been safe, but really there's nothing you can do. Just be ready to be there for her if and when she comes a cropper.

txt_mess

Try not to concentrate on the arguement of sleeping with so many people as you're not going to win that one.

Instead I would say to her who and how many people she sleeps with is her business but at least make sure some protecion is used it won't stop everything she could get but will at least protect her partially.

Mr. Incognito

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

See how it feels to have other people's morals slapped on you?

Leave her live her own life and why don't you live yours.

Good for her I say. We need more like her.

Plus this sleeping with a professor for a grade? Some friend you are. Is this the truth or did you pick it up gossiping with everyone else behind her back?

barryfitz

Its her business and tell her number 8 is here and waiting.

Its really none of your business who she sleeps with or how manys times for that matter
You just sound judgemental, nosey and/or jealous
Which is a great quality in a "friend".

If your that concerned tell her to use condom's , really thats all you can do as I'm assuming she is over 18 she can learn from her mistakes

SingingCherry

This is not your business. You can tell her, "Hey, condoms are a good thing. Look into it." and be concerned but it's not up to you or anyone else who she is sleeping with and in what amount of time. Who are you to put boundaries on her life? No one is making you sleep with 7 men in 11 days. If you don't like her anymore, then don't call. Plain and simple.

seamus

Yeah, as others have said it's not really a whole pile of your business. You can be her friend, but you're not her parent or her psychiatrist. If you nag at her about it or give out to her about it, you'll only be the irritating friend.

If you think that her drinking is affecting her life (i.e. her college work and her friendships), or that she's otherwise going into a "bad place", then by all means let her know that you're worried as a mate. But say it once, and leave it at that. Don't press the issue. If she is on a downward slope, she'll have to crack her head on the bottom before she cops herself on.

hullaballoo

No real point in echoing what everyone else has said, but I will anyway.

It's none of your business. Butt out.

If anyone ever tried to pry as much as you have into my sex life, they'd get a short sharp shock.

ron_darrell

In my younger days I was a bit of a mutt (male slut ), completely off the walls and didn't care to much about what I did or who I did i with. At the time I couldn't see the risks or the damage I was doing to myself and those around me. Worse still, those friends who did try and raise concerns I ignored and eventually stopped hanging around with, afterall what did they know and I was an 'adult' capable of making my own decisions.

It boils down to this, if she's your friend and you want to stay friends with her, you have to let her make her own decisions. Point out (as other posters have mentionned) the importance of safe sex but don't make a big issue of it. Make sure she understands though that there is more to safe sex than STIs and pregnancy. A mind is a terrible thing to waste and the hardest person to face sometimes is the man (or woman) in the mirror. After that, you just have to hang loose and be there for her when/if she needs you.

-RD

rickybutcher

Has college terms even started yet?

I've known some slutty girls in my time but that is ridiculous. I don't want to call the OP a liar but the college term hasn't even started yet. As for sleeping with a professor for a grade, I'm not saying it has never happened but it's extremely extremely unlikely in my view.

calsatron

Back when I was at Uni me and the lads I lived with would ride anything with a heartbeat, it was somewhat comic looking back on it. Of course we were all 18/19 and didn't give a toss. It was all fun and games until one of the lads got the "I've got Chlamydia" phonecall and had to track down all the girls he'd been with for the last couple of months to let them know the good news. Of course that sent us all scurrying off to the GUM clinic with a renewed interest in practicing safe sex.

At the same time we were friends with a lad who had been seeing the same girl since high school, all that was over 10yrs ago and we were all at his wedding a couple of months ago and the main topic of conversation was the capability of one of the other lads to still put himself about a fair bit. How many partners your friend chooses to have or not have shouldn't really affect your friendship, theres a good chance if your good friends you'll look back on this and have a good laugh in the future just like we do.

The safe sex issue is a lot more serious though conditions like Chlamydia can have no serious symptoms but can lead to serious problems in the future such as an increased difficulty in conception. You can pick up all sorts of "shock and awe" style leaflets at the family planning or GUM clinic and hand give them to your friend to try and educate her if your not confident about being able to talk her round yourself.

It would be a massive shame if activites she engaged in now to establish her independence and individuality actually took away options from her in the future. Even the biggest man slut of our group is now happily living with his partner and planning on trying for a family in the near future.

LegacyUser

pepper wrote:

I have known my best friend Alexi since i could walk-she is 21 and doing a degree in collage. But latley she has been acting very out of charchter espically when she drinks.She has started to get a name for herself as the collage bike and im getting worried about her.

She has slept with 7 guys so far this month(and im not joking here) and the longest she knew one of them was 2 days.She has been caught with her sisters bf and more recently it came out she had slept with a professer for a grade.

Im concerned about Pregnancy and Aids as i know shes not having safe sex(she told me) but what worrys me more is her attitude. When anyone talks to her about it she says "im 21 and thats old enough to make me own decisions and who i sleep withs my business.

I am at my wits end here i just want my friend back

To be honest I'm really surprised by the responses here, you'd think the respondents think that you're jealous or something.

If it were my friend I'd be worried and I'd talk to her, sure she's an adult and it's her own business but she's your best friend who you've known a long time (you've known her what about 15-20 years) and if you think she acting out of character then you've a right to be concerned. Why should you just butt out and forget about her? To me this doesn't look like a moral issue, you're watching a friend change in front of you...

now... I don't particularly have much advice for you aside from talking to her and it looks like you've already tried to do. I don't particularly think telling her that she's getting name for herself is useful b/c she obviously doesn't care, but perhaps ask her if there's something up, do you have any idea if there's anything that might have triggered a change in her? Is there anything going on at home? is this the first time she's lived away from home? (I'm kind of assuming that she's not living at home if she's sleeping around... but obviously I don't know...)

Anyway... just thought I should say something here, I honestly couldn't believe the replies you're getting...

K-9

calsatron wrote:

Back when I was at Uni me and the lads I lived with would ride anything with a heartbeat, it was somewhat comic looking back on it. Of course we were all 18/19 and didn't give a toss. It was all fun and games until one of the lads got the "I've got Chlamydia" phonecall and had to track down all the girls he'd been with for the last couple of months to let them know the good news. Of course that sent us all scurrying off to the GUM clinic with a renewed interest in practicing safe sex.

That's the problem here or getting pregnant and keeping the child or having an abortion. It's not she's a slut!

The girl has no idea of the consequences for herself, family members, others etc.

Hopefully, she'll wise up first. Being a slut is fine, if you're responsible and use contaception etc.. Don't come crying about sexual diseases, pregnancy, abortion, friends and brothers ignoring you, later. You where warned and ignored it.

setantaL wrote:

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

See how it feels to have other people's morals slapped on you?

Leave her live her own life and why don't you live yours.

Good for her I say. We need more like her.

Or a sexual disease slapped on you, or a baby and the father doesn't care because he sleeps around and doesn't take any responsibility for anything. It's her or indeed his choice etc. just don't moan about the consequences!

Marksie

What I would add to the general debate is if she is happy exploring fine. But if she is not then that should be explored. Is she consciously aware when she does this and the drinks are juts to help her relax?, or is she so smashed she cannot make a reasoned choice?.

The safe sex issue is important, not how many she sleeps with, though it is unfortunate that labels tend to be attached to people

SarahSassy

Bring her out for a quiet drink, just the two of you. Tell her you are worried about the repercussions of her behaviour, ask her if there is anything wrong with her and then drop it....

You can warn her of the dangers, tell her you are worried about her and then let her off to it... You cant live her life for her....

See how your friendship goes over the next 6 months or so... See if you want to continue to be friends with her and if you would be willing to stand by her if something went wrong.... At the end of the day, she chooses to walk a risky line and you dont have to eb there to pick up the pieces.

Dudess

SetantaL wrote:

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

See how it feels to have other people's morals slapped on you?

Leave her live her own life and why don't you live yours.

Good for her I say. We need more like her.

Oh what a troll. Yep, we certainly need more people who sleep with their sibling's partner and don't use protection. More STDs - that's where it's at! :rolleyes:

Plus this sleeping with a professor for a grade? Some friend you are. Is this the truth or did you pick it up gossiping with everyone else behind her back?

Em... you haven't actually established that it ISN'T the truth, so what's with the "some friend you are" comment?
But yeah OP, what's your source on this one?

This isn't affecting you directly - apart from changing your perception of her. You've even said this is uncharacteristic of her and you want your friend back. Unfortunately, people change as they grow up. This drastic metamorphosis may be perfectly natural for your friend. I know it's difficult to accept when someone with whom you have loads in common no longer seems like that person, but it's part of life. You get used to it.
That said, seven guys so far this month is a bit extreme - I wonder are there deeper issues? But maybe it is simply because she enjoys it and wants to use every opportunity she can for experimentation.
The amount of sexual partners though is really only her business. Whatever comes of it, if anything (and why should anything "come" of it?) is up to her to deal with. All you can do is provide support. Same with the unsafe sex issue. As someone said, just casually drop it into conversation, but you can't lecture her. Sleeping with her sister's boyfriend is appalling though - but that's between her and her sister. If she slept with a college professor then he deserves to be chastised even more than she does.

DaveMcG wrote:

She's an adult, and not barely an adult either

Well that's where perspective comes in. As a 29-year-old, I would be of the view that she is without a doubt "barely an adult".
But yeah, she is an adult - bottom line.

And OP, if you find the person she's becoming not very appealing (and I'm not talking about the sex, more her attitude) then don't spend as much time with her.

comongethappy

Sleeping around with different people doesn't make you a slut... what makes you a slut is when you don't use protection and you go around f**king people that are in relationships!

Seriously, sit her down, tell her she screw whoever she wants, she just needs to get some cop on and do it w/ other single people and to use protection for her and her various partners sake.

Dudess

Nothing makes you a slut. The word should be banned.

Bottle_of_Smoke

People are being so liberal they can't see a genuine issue here.

Girls who have that many partners in that amount of time have a problem. Not that they enjoy sex less than men, just usually they prefer it with the same guy.

I'd imagine she likes the feeling of being wanted, the feeling of control over men. It's not fair to call her a slut though, she's not harming you in any way & she doesn't seem to be committing to any of these guys.

What was her sexual history before the promiscuity - did something happen. Also is there any similarities in the guys she's sleeping with?

Also there's no point comparing promiscuous guys to girls. It's natural for guys to want to stick it in everything they can for evolutionary reasons. Guy's have virtually unlimited sperm & can't get pregnant, women have a limited number of cycles & have to go through pregnancy, call me a sexist & you're just denying reality.

Dudess

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote:

Girls who have that many partners in that amount of time have a problem.

Care to elaborate? Maybe some of them do, but girls in general? And maybe some lads who have that many partners in such a short time might have a problem too?

Not that they enjoy sex less than men, just usually they prefer it with the same guy.

Christ, another generalisation. Nope, girls want variety too. And plenty of guys only want to be with the one girl.

It's natural for guys to want to stick it in everything they can for evolutionary reasons. Guy's have virtually unlimited sperm & can't get pregnant, women have a limited number of cycles & have to go through pregnancy

Oh really? And where's your scientific research to back up this statement? Did it ever occur to you that the different perspective on each gender's mating habits might be due to social conditioning - you know, what we're TOLD is the norm and not the norm?

Bottle_of_Smoke

Dudess wrote:

Care to elaborate? Maybe some of them do, but girls in general? And maybe some lads who have that many partners in such a short time might have a problem too?

Life experience, every girl I know who sleeps around that much (tbh I don't know many who sleep around as much as this girl) has some issue with her self esteem.
Of course a lad who does the same could have a problem, though I don't see what that has to do with the price of turnips.

Christ, another generalisation. Nope, girls want variety too. And plenty of guys only want to be with the one girl.

Did you read the first post, that much variety?

Oh really? And where's your scientific research to back up this statement?

It's scientific in itself. Go back before there were contraceptives, back when humans lived in savannah/jungle. Still humans now, I don't mean apes/hominids.

Women who slept with anyone would get knocked up pretty fast. Though they wouldn't have someone who would look after them, they'd have someone who fancied a ride & then f*cked off. Fatherless children don't stand much of a chance in the wild. So her genes are gone.

However a woman who was careful about who she slept with would end up with someone who's more likely to stand by her when the kids arrive - those genes get passed on, hence people of today.

Now lets take a guy from the jungle - he sleeps with all the women he wants & all he's lost is some sperm - no genetic risk.

This is perhaps why women get so jealous of their boyfriend having an emotional relationship with another woman.

Everyone should learn about evolution, it explains so much.

Did it ever occur to you that the different perspective on each gender's mating habits might be due to social conditioning - you know, what we're TOLD is the norm and not the norm?

I think it's more than a coincidence that these perspectives can be found in all humans throughout the planet. Even in societies that still live wild & have no access to TV/Internet/literature

dudara

Right guys - lay off the argument. Continue it at your peril.

dudara

LegacyUser

The biggest issue not the number of guys she's screwing around with! surely its the sleeping with your sisters bf that makes you a slut, and sleeping with your tutor for a good grade is unethical and both parties deserve to be punished for this behaviour

ali.c

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote:

It's scientific in itself. Go back before there were contraceptives, back when humans lived in savannah/jungle. Still humans now, I don't mean apes/hominids.

Women who slept with anyone would get knocked up pretty fast. Though they wouldn't have someone who would look after them, they'd have someone who fancied a ride & then f*cked off. Fatherless children don't stand much of a chance in the wild. So her genes are gone.
.........

Everyone should learn about evolution, it explains so much.

A tab bit condcensing considering that what you are saying is not accurate. Just so we are on the same page, going on evidence from surviving stone age societies and other archaeological evidence it would appear that a lot of those societies were matricidal, also it should be noted that back in the stone age the women didn’t hang around the cave waiting for the man to protect them and in fact contributed more food (in calorific values) to the community than their male counterparts.

OT I know, but I do have a point here, the girl in question may or may not be operating out of other needs, the point is not to judge her (as some of the posters here are doing) as that is not going to help at all. Definitely offer advice on safe sex as that is important but fundamentally it is okay for women to expert sexually.

astrofool

Report the professor (anonymously). That's basically prostitution right there .

pepper

Dudess wrote:

Em... you haven't actually established that it ISN'T the truth, so what's with the "some friend you are" comment?
But yeah OP, what's your source on this one?

This isn't affecting you directly - apart from changing your perception of her. .

she told me about sleeping with him- it was not a rumour she got plastered and announced it in the pub one night- so basically digging a hole for herself

Its affectine me as im getting a name for hanging around with her- shes a slut and im her friend so i must be one to- its like im a slut by proxy

Dudess

What if she lied when drunk though? It's an extremely serious claim to make.

I know there are stupid people out there but I really think that most people wouldn't assume you're also a "slut" just because you hang around with her - well nobody who matters would think that anyway. And why should what others think matter a sh!te? Seriously, what difference does it make if some people who don't know you, who you won't ever get to know, and who aren't worth knowing, think that you might be a bit of a "slut" because they perceive your friend to be one?

pepper

Dudess wrote:

What if she lied when drunk though? It's an extremely serious claim to make.

I know there are stupid people out there but I really think that most people wouldn't assume you're also a "slut" just because you hang around with her - well nobody who matters would think that anyway. And why should what others think matter a sh!te? Seriously, what difference does it make if some people who don't know you, who you won't ever get to know, and who aren't worth knowing, think that you might be a bit of a "slut" because they perceive your friend to be one?

no i asked her about it the next day and she said she hadnt been lying and asked me to keep it to myself- i was like "i cant keep it to myself everyone knows you announced it to the pub" and the prof has already been reported and he lost his job over it

I live in a small town stories of what she does fly around here and the neighbours look at me like a demon even though i have done nothing wrong - its not about people i dont know hating me its about my family friends and neighbours thinking i sleep around like she does

Dudess

pepper wrote:

its not about people i dont know hating me its about my family friends and neighbours thinking i sleep around like she does

Listen, they are your friends and family - would they judge you like that?

By the way that small town you're from sounds well worth getting out of.

pepper

Dudess wrote:

Listen, they are your friends and family - would they judge you like that?

By the way that small town you're from sounds well worth getting out of.

its more the snooty neighbours thinking it n new pregrancy rumours er goin round town bout her n me every month its just pissing me off- plus my poor 78 year old nan got asked last week if it was true id an STD

K-9

pepper wrote:

I live in a small town stories of what she does fly around here and the neighbours look at me like a demon even though i have done nothing wrong - its not about people i dont know hating me its about my family friends and neighbours thinking i sleep around like she does

It's easy to say well f**k them, but that is another consequence of her behaviour! Can you think of any reason why she is at this? I hope it's not an attention thing!

Dudess

Ah your poor nan. What kind of freak would ask an elderly woman whether her granddaughter has an STD?!! Holy f*ck, I despair!
I don't know. You can't stop your mate from doing what she's doing - maybe tell her some of this stuff, but it's doubtful she'll change for the sake of those people. I think you should just continue to focus on the fact that you're not doing anything wrong - and you, your family and your friends know that. That's all that matters. Forget the neighbours - what a bunch of assholes.

Bottle_of_Smoke

ali.c wrote:

A tab bit condcensing considering that what you are saying is not accurate. Just so we are on the same page, going on evidence from surviving stone age societies and other archaeological evidence it would appear that a lot of those societies were matricidal, also it should be noted that back in the stone age the women didn’t hang around the cave waiting for the man to protect them and in fact contributed more food (in calorific values) to the community than their male counterparts.

That doesn't in any way contradict what you quoted or anything else I said.
I think you think I'm saying something I'm not

If you want to discuss further PM me or start a thread in the biology forum. We were warned.