Professional player

jasmeen

Is it possible to be a professional Sit N Go player? I've been tracking my winning/losing and it's amazing how much better i am at Sit N Gos than cash games.

That got me thinking - are there people that just play SNGs for a living? I'm not thinking of doing it ... but i was just wondering if its even been heard of ... also is there a win/loss margin to think about when moving up to new higher stakes?

cardshark202

No you would die if you tried

shoutman

It is possible, but cash games are generally considered a lot more profitable for those that are good at poker.

LuckyLloyd

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Flushdraw

Whats a Sit N Go?

BigCityBanker

lol this reminds me of the dude on 2p2 who quit his job to play the $3 sngs for a living....

Captain Tom

mr.flash gimmick account?

5starpool

Look, lads stop with the shíte talking please. I admit jasmeen has posted some rather 'different' threads since starting to post, but this one is a relatively sane one, and if I recall correctly, one that has been done in some shape or fashion before without the ridicule.

If you have a constructive answer, then post it. If you don't, then don't post.

sendic

jasmeen, if you are serious (i.e. not trolling) then i'd advise just reading the forum for a bit before you post and when you do post, try to post very specific questions rather than broad general questions. you will get better responses that way

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

There are people out there who do make a living from s&g's but it is a tough way to make a living, i played around 150 of them within 2 weeks for a 400 profit and i can think of easier ways to make a living whilst keeping a sound mental state

Lazare

No offence, but judging from your previous threads, I think poker as a career might be somewhat distant for you.

bops

of course you can, many well known players play STT's and high stakes online/live tourneys over there cash equiv's

i've spent the last month going back to my roots playing STTs on stars - where there are many pro's playing purely stts - Elky springs to mind, and maybe ye all remember gregior from tribecca - he's still a stt junky now at stars. nicnic also would be seen as an sng/tourney player and making a living from it

tbh i expected a jump in the standard from a year ago or so, but if anything it has got worse which has me but

jimmii

Dario Minieri pretty much only played SnGs when he was purely an online player. BigJoe is probably the best known of the current bunch but he plays 20 at a time and grinds it out at <10% ROI. Its a pretty sick way to do it but a lot of people do.

What is your sample size and what is your ROI over that sample size? You would really want to be 10%+ @ $50 STTs over 1000 games to really consider it. You'd also want to consider how much your ROI will drop having to play 8+ hours instead of just sitting for an hour or two.

NickyOD

I don't know why everyone is taking this attitude with the OP. Have you guys seen MY STTs stats? I'm up 13K since the beginning of July and that's not including the bonuses I've earned or rakeback.

It's very possible to make a solid living from STTs and there are plenty who do. I would say on iPoker there are probably only 3 players capable of it though.

Flushdraw

OK i'll be serious. If youre really really good, you can make a living at STTs, but if you're really bad, you can end up like this guy...

Requiem4adream

Flushdraw wrote:

OK i'll be serious. If youre really really good, you can make a living at STTs, but if you're really bad, you can end up like this guy...

From what i gather i wouldnt mind at all ending up like/being that guy....making a fortune from selling a Party skin (if rumour is solid). Probably gets drunk then steams off a few 5k heads-up games, it's all relative.

Flushdraw

Requiem4adream wrote:

From what i gather i wouldnt mind at all ending up like/being that guy....making a fortune from selling a Party skin (if rumour is solid). Probably gets drunk then steams off a few 5k heads-up games, it's all relative.

Suppose it is all relative. ElkY's stats are as bad as anyones online (according to sharkscope) so the 250k or so he is down, is just a drop in the ocean for him

cardshark202

elky is a fish

Moneymaker

bigjoe2003 is all the proof ones needs that someone can make a living from them. $170,000 speaks for itself.

RoundTower

NickyOD wrote:

I don't know why everyone is taking this attitude with the OP. Have you guys seen MY STTs stats?

Not for at least a week, why don't you post them in this thread??!!!

rogue trader

That might prove difficult RT, as Nicky is probably making love to them as we speak, obviously with a photo of himself stapled on to the top of the page.

LuckyLloyd

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rogue trader

I know, but dear god, how conceited can one possibly be

Bandara

Roland De Wolfe made his 'breakthrough' (ie realised he could earn a living at poker) playing the £100-£500 sit and gos on Betfair a few years back.

LuckyLloyd

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LuckyLloyd

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NickyOD

rogue trader wrote:

That might prove difficult RT, as Nicky is probably making love to them as we speak, obviously with a photo of himself stapled on to the top of the page.

Actually is a photo of Rachael Taylor with a little speach bubble saying "You're the greatest baby".

DeadMoney

If your considering playing stt's for a living jasmeen, you should check out sngicons.com. This is the site that features sng pros such as bigjoe2003 and fieryjustice. I've never subscribed as it is quite pricey but it may be worth checking out as they cover both low level and high level games. Also i would recommend that you look up the bankroll article by chris 'fox' wallace on pocketfives and adhere to his advice on having at least 30 buy ins in your bankroll before playing any giving stt. Variance can be huge in these games so you need to have a bankroll capable of sustaining negative swings.
I would also recommend multi-tabling when playing these games. Play can be very optimal so it is good to keep yourself busy while also increasing your hourly rate. I've tried to play only stt's in the past but have found it to be quite a grind and am focusing a lot more on cash games now.
Anyway good luck.

cardshark202

rogue trader wrote:

That might prove difficult RT, as Nicky is probably making love to them as we speak, obviously with a photo of himself stapled on to the top of the page.

rofl. Please post more Alan

kincsem

You could figure out if you can make a living at S&Gs by gathering some info.

You could look up your stats on officialpokerrankings.com.
How much profit a month do you need?
What is your ROI (return on investment in S&Gs?
How many S&Gs can you physically play in a month?
What S&G entry fee will you play?
Number of games X entry fee X return on investment = profit in cash.

Can you maintain motivation / grind it out for long periods? I play for entertainment. From Feb 2004 to the end on Aug 2007 I lost about $5500 on PokerStars from entries of $8300 (-67% ROI).
I now play mostly 45 or 180 player S&Gs for miniscule stakes ($5). When I learned about officialpokerrankings.com I found out how bad I was. Knowing how badly I was playing motivated me. This month I have been in the money 9/38 for a small profit of $116 as I decided to play to get in the money.

I kept a notebook for 18 months to record my live play results, and was making a small profit. Since I stopped keeping a notebook I'm sure I have lost heavily.

Thinking you are a profitable player is different from having records that tell you exactly what you make. Do you have complete records of your play? Put your numbers together and they will tell you if you can do it. Can you consistently make €3000 a month? If you can't then you should play for fun.

k101

nickyod comes across as one arrogant bloke, anyone know if hes any good, heard he was trying to become a pro player at one stage

ArmaniJeanss

k101 wrote:

nickyod comes across as one arrogant bloke, anyone know if hes any good, heard he was trying to become a pro player at one stage

He actually is a pro-player (as his major source of income is poker).

NickyOD

k101 wrote:

nickyod comes across as one arrogant bloke, anyone know if hes any good, heard he was trying to become a pro player at one stage

lol. talk about taking any opportunity to post abuse. I'm pretty sure you know me personally.

Well done on destroying jasmeen's thread morons.

grey_abbey

kincsem wrote:

You could figure out if you can make a living at S&Gs by gathering some info.

You could look up your stats on officialpokerrankings.com.
How much profit a month do you need?
What is your ROI (return on investment in S&Gs?
How many S&Gs can you physically play in a month?
What S&G entry fee will you play?
Number of games X entry fee X return on investment = profit in cash.

Can you maintain motivation / grind it out for long periods? I play for entertainment. From Feb 2004 to the end on Aug 2007 I lost about $5500 on PokerStars from entries of $8300 (-67% ROI).
I now play mostly 45 or 180 player S&Gs for miniscule stakes ($5). When I learned about officialpokerrankings.com I found out how bad I was. Knowing how badly I was playing motivated me. This month I have been in the money 9/38 for a small profit of $116 as I decided to play to get in the money.

I kept a notebook for 18 months to record my live play results, and was making a small profit. Since I stopped keeping a notebook I'm sure I have lost heavily.

Thinking you are a profitable player is different from having records that tell you exactly what you make. Do you have complete records of your play? Put your numbers together and they will tell you if you can do it. Can you consistently make €3000 a month? If you can't then you should play for fun.

Is there a site which tracks STT results? Think OPR only covers MTT's over 36 players. ROI of 41% not bad for MTT tho! -100% ROI for PLOHL tho

k101

ah nicky relax, we know that you are smooth diamond really,

Macspower

Sharkscope does the SST... Here is a regular Dublin tourney player and one of the finest SST players I know.... graph is only from a few months AFAIK.
not a full time player as yet but is bankroll building to get there soon

rogue trader

NickyOD wrote:

Well done on destroying jasmeen's thread morons.

Think it's fair to say that you managed to do that singlehandedly, baldy!

prendy

id never make a livin off it but i much prefer STT than cash games
OP i guess its just a matter of preference...the more comfortable you are with the type of game the better you'l play...and more profitably!
just my 2cents!

phantom_lord

is 13% a respectable roi in sngs? like something similar to 4bbs/100 in cash?

Mellor

It is very good for $100 STTs, which the player above is probably playing mostly. At $5 is achievable for a decent player.

$13 average per STT. Could probably clear $100/h if he 4 tabled. So that about equal to 4BB/100 four tabling 2/4

NickyOD

rogue trader wrote:

Think it's fair to say that you managed to do that singlehandedly, baldy!

lol What's your problem exactly, apart from the obvious?

5starpool

rogue trader and k101, take this as an official warning to be more civil.

k101

5starpool where havent i been civil. i simply made an observation which i believe is accurate and asked a question. What is wrong with that

5starpool

k101 wrote:

5starpool where havent i been civil. i simply made an observation which i believe is accurate and asked a question. What is wrong with that

hmmm

k101 wrote:

nickyod comes across as one arrogant bloke, anyone know if hes any good, heard he was trying to become a pro player at one stage

Sounds like pure trolling to me. If you were not trolling then put some thought into what you write in future to make it not sound like trolling. You obviously know who he is from the 'diamond' comment later on, so don't pretend that you don't.

rogue trader

5starpool wrote:

rogue trader and k101, take this as an official warning to be more civil.

5starpool, anything wrong with statement below?

Originally Posted by NickyOD

NickyOD wrote:

Well done on destroying jasmeen's thread morons..

Nicky, the above statement is a good starting point in answering your question

nicnicnic

phantom_lord wrote:

is 13% a respectable roi in sngs? like something similar to 4bbs/100 in cash?

13% at that buy in over that sample size is extremely good

NickyOD

rogue trader wrote:

5starpool, anything wrong with statement below?

Originally Posted by NickyOD

Nicky, the above statement is a good starting point in answering your question

sigh! not every in the thread is a moron. Obviously I just meant you and k101.

sorry about that.

phantom_lord wrote:

is 13% a respectable roi in sngs? like something similar to 4bbs/100 in cash?

Depends totally on the buy-in and whether or not you're playing 6 or 9/10 handed. 13% is good for anything over $30 buy in full table.

k101

5starpool and nickyod must be mates

Marq

lol donkaments.

Kobraki

Away from the maths side of things, you sure can make a living off SnG. I tried once, but ended up on tilt 3 tabling 2/4 PLO, so its not for everyone. I also get the feeling that the OP is an inexperienced player, so ill tell ya playing SnGs are IMO the best way to learn the fundamentals of the game, but as already stated, after playing a couple of hundred its like watching the simpsons... You've seen it all before, but its still mildly entertaining.

Just to expand on the original post, A few months back my brother and I decided to lodge 500 onto GJP on a joint account, and we could only play $50 and $100 SnG's. We had about 2k clear profit each after 3 weeks. What im getting at is i reckon SnGs are perhaps the best way of rebuilding your BR if you take a hit. I also firmly believe that if you have played a lot of SnGs and are good at them, you will do a lot better at the later stages of MTT's, where the difference between coming say 2nd or 6th is huge (money wise).

Dont worry nicky, i still love ya

mormank

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Brown paper packages tied up with strings
These are a few of my favorite things


cheer up lads. k10 rogue trader and nicky should go on this paintballin thing together..i'm sensing a negative vibe! besides i thought it was commonly accepted that to be good at poker you need arrogance on your side?? arrogance/confidence, whatever..

oh and OP, people make livings in more bizzare fashions than stts!! some ppl go to bed early and wake up early and stuff!!!