Back Problem

Anthony_1980

basically i put my back out 4 months ago and still hurts me now and again

i went to chiropractor and he took x-ray and said i just pushed back out like anybody else , wasnt anythng serious

well i saw him 3 times a week at €38 a pop for first 2-3 weeks and to be honest my backs sore still

anybody recommend a good chiropractor on glasnevin/finglas area

be appreciated , as its affecting my gym plan as i can run , or lift weights

BJohnson

Hi Anthony,

How'd you put your back out originally? I'm a chiropractor working in Galway. If you want to tell me a bit about it, I might be able to point you in the right direction. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to keep it private. If you'd like to let the other board members in on your case, feel free to post publicly.

Regards,

Dr. Brian Johnson, BSc, DC
www.citychiropractic.ie

Reyman

I'd suggest seeing a good physitherapist for a bad back. I haven't known anyone who got anything more than temporary relief from a Chiropractor. They seem to be very good at getting you to come back endlessly with no clear improvement.

Anthony_1980

yes they do , i hurt it just lifting some stuff the wrong way , not particulary heavy stuff just the wrong way and suppose it doesnt help the way i sit on my corner suite at home , i slouch into it so i need to stop that

ali.c

Reyman wrote:

I'd suggest seeing a good physitherapist for a bad back. I haven't known anyone who got anything more than temporary relief from a Chiropractor. They seem to be very good at getting you to come back endlessly with no clear improvement.

Honestly it depends on the chiropractor, the one i went to see was really good, he gave me excercises and stretches to help me to keep my back in the correct position as it was getting better.

daveirl

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N8

Reyman wrote:

I'd suggest seeing a good physitherapist for a bad back. I haven't known anyone who got anything more than temporary relief from a Chiropractor. They seem to be very good at getting you to come back endlessly with no clear improvement.

funny I hear the same thing about physios all the time

daveirl wrote:

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Dave you are obviously talking with the wrong people or not looking terribly hard. There is a world of evidence backing up chiropractic.

Some of the leading world healthcare economists including Pran Manga back the introduction of chiropractic without restriction and without going to a GP for referral into healthcare systems worldwide - including Canada which the Irish government is trying to mimic and he states that it would save billions – yes billions.

Castleknock - Dr John Fay DC - massively into diet, training, rehab and longer term advice 01 821 9995

Glasnevin Finglas - Dr Gary Dennis and Dr Lorene Dennis

jdivision

Better off going to a physio or an osteopath to be honest. Also found this guy very good for relief from long term damage: http://balance-health-clarity.com although it's very expensive

daveirl

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N8

daveirl wrote:

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Dave again not being disrespectful but you did not look very far.

The only reason prof ernzt (a self declared expert on complementary medicine) gets any media coverage is because like holocaust deniers he creates fury. He is a waste of time and a deflection, like a fart on a bus.

Funnily enough this paper you quoted was where he was caught out earlier this year self declaring what was pretty much a meta analysis of his own research on manipulation as definitive.

Curiously this Ernst study omits one of the best known randomized trials funded by the Medical Research Council in the UK which covered 741 men and women with low back pain, followed up over three years. This study concluded that improvement in all patients after three years was 29% more in those treated by chiropractors than in those treated by hospitals (Meade, TW, Dyer S, Browne W, Frank AO, British Medical Journal 1995; 311:349-351).

Quote (from paper):
Conclusions: Collectively these data do not demonstrate that spinal manipulation is an effective intervention for any condition. Given the possibility of adverse effects, this review does not suggest that spinal manipulation is a recommendable treatment.

Adverse effects?

Ernst and Canter did not conduct or cite a systematic review of the hazards of manipulation including comparison to other therapies. Hence, the claim that the risks of manipulation outweigh the benefits, and thus spinal manipulation cannot be recommended as treatment for any condition, was not supported by the data analyzed.

Chiropractic is an effective tool for low back pain as well as a tool for an improved quality of life!

meanpeoplesuck

Whether or not Chiropractors are good isn't really the issue.

The issue is that you have a back problem, and your current chiropractor is not sorting it out for you.

Personally, I'm only 20 and have had several years of severe back troubles for the last few years. I have tried physiotherapists and osteopaths and am only now seeing good progress since I have switched to a great massage therapist.

For an injury which was caused by a fall or an identifiable event a few weeks ago (not a chronic back problem), I'd say that either an osteopath or physio would probably get the job sorted. If not, switch to a proper massage therapist (not some waster in a leisure centre working part time) to get it fixed.

All just from my personal experience by the way, but the human body is bloody complicated!

BigDragon

N8 wrote:

Chiropractic is an effective tool for low back pain as well as a tool for an improved quality of life!

Can you explain to me what the ''x-ray'' that the chiro did in the OP post was and how this is utilised by chiro's.

I'm damn sure it wasn't an x-ray.

BigDragon

meanpeoplesuck wrote:

All just from my personal experience by the way, but the human body is bloody complicated!

From experience most people that ''treat'' backs have no idea about what their doing. Asking people for personal recommendations is the only way to be satisfied as 'mean' suggests.

kevpants

BigDragon wrote:

Can you explain to me what the ''x-ray'' that the chiro did in the OP post was and how this is utilised by chiro's.

I'm damn sure it wasn't an x-ray.

I seem to remember being xrayed by a Chiro. It was in Australia though.

My old fella had terrible problems with his back and the next step was surgery but a chiropractor massively improved his quality of life, then he died of a heart attack......... oh my god it all makes sense now........ STAY AWAY FROM THE CHIROPRACTOR!

eroo

the biggest cause of back problems is a lack of strength in the back.do 'superman' exercises or hyperextensions.perform the exercise the woman in the guide is doing(http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://www.e-lacrosse.com/2005/yeager/hypan.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.e-lacrosse.com/yeager2.html&h=63&w=222&sz=12&hl=en&start=11&um=1&tbnid=8Oe5ZGvtrf2MkM:&tbnh=30&tbnw=107&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%2Bhyperextensions%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG),only keep your hands by your side,use your low back muscles to go UP,then DOWN as demonstrated.do 1 set with 15-20 reps(30 when yor back gets stronger).i used suffer badly from low back pain but now it is very minor.i lift weights,run,cycle,hike with loaded packs and even got a couple of games of rugby in.my back is much stronger now.if you want to do weights/running etc, your best bet is to get a training programme from a personal trainer(cheaper than chiro's and physio's!) and tell him/her you have back problems and want to build up your back.it worked for me,it can for you!
regards
-eroo

BossArky

For the first few years when I was going to the gym I did no back workout due to my ignorance. A fellow boards poster many moons ago pointed out that my lower back pain may have been due to an muscle imbalance. i.e heaps of bench and upper body work avoiding the back.

In the past 18 months I've started squatting, and more recently deadlifting. My back feels fine now.

N8

BigDragon wrote:

Can you explain to me what the ''x-ray'' that the chiro did in the OP post was and how this is utilised by chiro's.

I'm damn sure it wasn't an x-ray.

? it wasn’t an x-ray?

Chiropractors are trained in radiology and radiography to internationally recognised standards - both taking and reading their own x-rays in many countries including America, Australia, Canada and UK. Medical personnel read an x-ray for two avenues of diagnosis; pathology or trauma. Chiropractors use x-rays to make measurements and to provide information concerning individual developmental variants, as well as evidence of past and present injuries and also spinal pathologies that may present.

BigDragon wrote:

From experience most people that ''treat'' backs have no idea about what their doing. Asking people for personal recommendations is the only way to be satisfied as 'mean' suggests.

First point is questionable to say the least, its like saying most people who treat cancer don’t know what they are talking about and following on in the same vein if the patient dies it must be the person who is treating them’s fault not the patient….

However I agree it is always a good idea to ask if that person is properly trained, registered with a professional body and to confirm locally if they are recommended.

The spine is the core of your body and is hard wired into the nervous system and as such is affected by many issues, physical, chemical, mental and emotional. As such for us to be scrambling around to provide a single answer to a problem that more often than not in chronic cases is multifactorial, is pointless and is demonstrable of the problem when patients don't take responsibility for their health and blame the practitioner thay consult for a wonder cure. Its like asking someone to sort out a damp house with a hairdryer and then blaming him for wrecking your home.

eroo wrote:

the biggest cause of back problems is a lack of strength in the back.

Along with co-ordination of movement, postural integrity through movement and tonal synchronisation – all provided by the nervous system

eroo wrote:

your best bet is to get a training programme from a personal trainer

BossArky wrote:

For the first few years when I was going to the gym I did no back workout due to my ignorance. A fellow boards poster many moons ago pointed out that my lower back pain may have been due to an muscle imbalance. i.e heaps of bench and upper body work avoiding the back.

In the past 18 months I've started squatting, and more recently deadlifting. My back feels fine now.

As eroo suggests and BossArky confirms, always a good idea when beginning training for the first 18 – 24 months to use a personal trainer to guide you or it can lead to problems.


OP also of benefit in many cases are orthotics and also where improvement wasn’t apparent – personally I would have asked on what basis care was continuing or asked for an EMG and follow up EMG to objectively confirm progress. Also ask yourself what you can address or who else in conjunction with the chiropractor you should consult.

Anthony_1980

i stood there behind a machine and had pics taken and he knew where the prob was

did f all use

N8

Anthony_1980 wrote:

i stood there behind a machine and had pics taken and he knew where the prob was

did f all use

eh ok see the Dennis's in Glasnevin!