terrible Q6600 performance

Anti

Hey guys,

Just installed my q6600 and this has to be the hardest chip to ever overclock. I have tried 1333 ( 3ghz ) on stock volts, boots to vista screen, then hangs. Now im at 1200 ( 2.7ghz ) with stock voltage, and the performance is absolutly terrible. super pi 1m has gone from 11/12sec to 18/19 seconds And thats only when pi decides to run. Probably a vista problem.

I cannot get coretemp working at all, it throws up a cannot load driver error, and i cant find a way to fix it.

3dmark06 keeps throwing up nvidia driver errors. but from what i seen im getting a 10fps hit on the opening scene. From 85/90fps to 75/80fps.

Anyone got any tips on how i can raise performance, or im going to sell this chip on ebay. I have tried a few times now, and 2.7 on stock volts seems the highest i can boot

What am i doing wrong?

Anti

Hendrix89

Hmm they are odd problems... About the coretemp issue, I have heard coretemp does not work very well on 64 bit OSes. Are you using 64bit?

I'm not sure if it's the Quad. If you want I can post up my Quad's stable OC settings, although mine is not a B3.

Seeing as I have a Q6600 I though it was my duty to respond, even though i'm not much help:rolleyes: Let me know if you want me to share any of my settings though. I can do that!

PogMoThoin

only got my quad (b3 like yours) up & running on fri, so i cant really comment.

Are ya sure you've got the very latest version of core temp ie, 0.95.4. here

My pi times are about 18 seconds @ stock

Didn't get a great oc on mine either, but thats because of the 975 chipset in my mobo

dazftw

I was about to ask the 64bit question aswell I had a few programs like that not work for me on 64bit especially 3DMARK06

nibble

Well you need to get some real temps for a start.
If I had to pick a component that might be the problem I'd point at the mobo, you really need a P35 to do anything interesting with a quad, and that abit isn't a great board for overclocking anyway. High quality vreg is mucho important for QC overclocking and I don't think the board can cut the mustard. Having said that I would have thought that you'd get a stable 3ghz with nearly any board/cpu combo so IDK.

awhir

Anti wrote:

Hey guys,



I cannot get coretemp working at all, it throws up a cannot load driver error, and i cant find a way to fix it.


What am i doing wrong?

how about googling :coretemp vista

first link is : http://www.alcpu.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=211

Anti

Hendrix89 wrote:

Hmm they are odd problems... About the coretemp issue, I have heard coretemp does not work very well on 64 bit OSes. Are you using 64bit?

I'm not sure if it's the Quad. If you want I can post up my Quad's stable OC settings, although mine is not a B3.

Seeing as I have a Q6600 I though it was my duty to respond, even though i'm not much help:rolleyes: Let me know if you want me to share any of my settings though. I can do that!

Yes, please do

uberpixie

Anti wrote:

Hey guys,

Just installed my q6600 and this has to be the hardest chip to ever overclock. I have tried 1333 ( 3ghz ) on stock volts, boots to vista screen, then hangs. Now im at 1200 ( 2.7ghz ) with stock voltage, and the performance is absolutly terrible. super pi 1m has gone from 11/12sec to 18/19 seconds And thats only when pi decides to run. Probably a vista problem.

I cannot get coretemp working at all, it throws up a cannot load driver error, and i cant find a way to fix it.

3dmark06 keeps throwing up nvidia driver errors. but from what i seen im getting a 10fps hit on the opening scene. From 85/90fps to 75/80fps.

Anyone got any tips on how i can raise performance, or im going to sell this chip on ebay. I have tried a few times now, and 2.7 on stock volts seems the highest i can boot

What am i doing wrong?

Have the B3 setting and hit 3 Ghz with ease. You should be well able to clock it to 3 Ghz.

What settings did you disable in the bios?

Anti

Nothing really, i put the volts to 1.4 now and im at 2812mhz left the ram alone. only disabled onboard sound. I know this board is a good overclockers, as it gets my e6600 to 3.8ghz with ease. Also there is no newer bios.

Hendrix89

Firstly these are my current stable settings. Note the VID of my chip in coretemp and compare it with yours. I know ct doesnt work for you but if you can find other programs that can get it and check it out.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/rHy0/3.4cpuz.jpg

In my experience OCing this thing I have found that, for some reason, a 9 multi with a lower FSB allows for lower vcore. Best thing is to stick with the 9 multi.

This is an earlier stable OC at a slightly lower 3.33GHz.
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/rHy0/8hrpass.jpg

Oh and 1:1 ratio works wonders so make sure you stick with that if you can. I havent moved from it.

Haven't done much else, not seen in the software above, in the BIOS.

And also I have to agree with nibble on the benefit of P35 boards when it comes to the Quads. They really proove an advantage. It might be worth getting one. I'd say the costs gone down too.

Hope this helps.

awhir

its most likly ur mobo then ur chip.old and cheap boards just dont work for quads (also look at phog's result).i say ur best off getting a p35 or x38 when there out.

Anti

Thanks for the info guys, I tried messing around with the chip a bit last night, and i noticed that if i go above 1.4v then the pc will not boot at all. Weird

The highest i can get is 2.812ghz, with a fsb of 312.5. Anything higher then this will fail to boot. So for now i think im going to throw back in my dual core, and wait for a x38 for my quad.

Anti

Right, im not sure if this chip is multi locked, but im gonna try the 6 multi with a stupidly high fsb. see if i can get around this somehow.

will take pics of settings in bios when i get home too. See if i have messed something up some how

awhir

nope a q6600 is not unlocked.all xtream chips are unlocked.

PogMoThoin

Hey awhir, my Aw9d-Max is not a cheap mobo, its just that its an older chipset (975) that hinders the overclock. This chipset was never intended for use with a quad, or even a c2d for that matter. The AW9D-MAX uses a 4-phase power design for voltage regulation. The memory controller cant handle a quad. I've mine running @ 310fsb on stock volts, but cant even tighten ram timings as its not able to handle it.

AFAIK u can use a lower multi on certain bioses, but not a higher as its locked upwards by Intel & it is definitely locked on a q6600.

Anti

Here is a screenie of pi and cpu-z. This is the maximum stable i have been able to get so far. I will upload pics of the bios in a few mins:

Anti

Bios screenshots:

Khannie

Anti, forgot to post up my settings for you. It'll be tomorrow I'm afraid.

PogMoThoin wrote:

Didn't get a great oc on mine either, but thats because of the 975 chipset in my mobo

For what it's worth: I have a 975X chipset and my Q6600 runs at 3.0GHz for everyday use.

Anti

I tried running in linked mode last night with the lowest multiplyer but still no luck. I even went up to 1.6v on the cpu and 1.5 on the nb but still nothing. I have a molex connector on the board, which is meant to aid in overclocking by suplying more voltage to the board, will try that tonight. And hopefully ill get a bit of luck. I would be happy with 3ghz, but anything below is a real dissapointment

WillieDH

Hi Anti

I have the same CPU and Mobo, I might try your settings on mine and see how I get on, at the weekend.

Anti

Cool, let me know how you get on.

awhir

Anti wrote:

I tried running in linked mode last night with the lowest multiplyer but still no luck. I even went up to 1.6v on the cpu and 1.5 on the nb but still nothing. I have a molex connector on the board, which is meant to aid in overclocking by suplying more voltage to the board, will try that tonight. And hopefully ill get a bit of luck. I would be happy with 3ghz, but anything below is a real dissapointment

i would advice you putting in the molex in that would be to stabilize the voltage under heavey load...

unseen

Hi anti

Can you tell me what motherboard,what memories you have, what cooling and what psu?

awhir

he has a :

motherboard:Abit Fatal1ty FP-IN9
memories:4GB Geil black dragon ddr2 @ 950Mhz 5-5-5-4-15 1.95v
cooling:TR Ultra Extreme 120 w/ Scythe S-flex 1600rpm
psu:Corsair HX620

Anti

What he said

unseen

Hmm ok.

With nvidia chipsets i had some problems with the fsb too. I have tested evga i680 and i couldnt pass 290 fsb with my quad. Keep in mind that evga replace for free the motherboards to users who had quads for this reason.
http://evga.com/support/680i_fsb.asp

Just to be sure that it is a mobo issue try to boot with 7x300. If it boots and it is stable there then we will look together the other options. Keep memories unlinked with 2T. Also set "nb pciex 16x clock" to 100 for now.

I found a modded bios here - > http://www.area3d.ch/forum/showthread.php?p=19650 but try it at your own risk.
Also some vmods and review which maybe helps here -> http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Abit_Fatal1ty_FP-IN9_SLI_650i_Motherboard/4874-10.html

Anti

Cool. Thanks for the info man. I will give it a go as soon as i get home and i will let you know:)

Anti

Didn't get a chance to try any of the above last night. Got stuck into a dungeon in wow

nibble

Anti wrote:

Didn't get a chance to try any of the above last night. Got stuck into a dungeon in wow

Oh man WoW, now that's a nerdy game, at least FPS are kinda manly:p .
I still think it's the board holding you back.

papu

pop into my board at gamecon and you can check if its that , ive a abit ip35

PogMoThoin

Khannie wrote:

For what it's worth: I have a 975X chipset and my Q6600 runs at 3.0GHz for everyday use.

:rolleyes: Ya, but its prob an Asus m8, Asus top out @ 350-380fsb, Abit i have topped out @ 300-320fsb. Not enough 2 keep me happy Thats why i bought chosen's p5k

Anti

If it is this motherboard im gona be pissed. And ill just buy the best x38 boards out there. If i still get the same problem.... Flaccus is a dead man

awhir

Anti wrote:

If it is this motherboard im gona be pissed. And ill just buy the best x38 boards out there. If i still get the same problem.... Flaccus is a dead man

asus blitz extream.......................

unseen

If you want a mobo under 200euros then take a look at abit ip35 PRO.
Very nice board with a lot of options.

Screenshot from a friends pc

Flaccus

Anti wrote:

If it is this motherboard im gona be pissed. And ill just buy the best x38 boards out there. If i still get the same problem.... Flaccus is a dead man

I just read this...don't be a smart ass or I will come up there. I never sold you a feckin overclocking guarantee with the chip, only that it works (at stock) and now that you have clocked it you have zero warranty. And it's you mobo anyway mate not the chip. Nvidia chipsets suck at overclocking quads. It's well documented and an issue with their boards. It was addressed with the A1 revision of the EVGA 680i and the DFI 680i LT. If you had looked into this on any forum you would know the story. And unless you have one of those Nvidia boards I just mentioned you are generally limited to 300-320mhz. Get a P35 or wait for the X38. Don't blame me if you shag up the chip

Anti

Heh relax dude, I knew the risk when i bought the chip. I was just hoping by some miracle that the board would actually be able to clock it well as it did an amazing job on my e6600.

L31mr0d

Flaccus wrote:

Nvidia chipsets suck at overclocking quads. It's well documented and an issue with their boards.

yeah, flaccus tried to warn me numerous times off getting an nvidia chipset when I was buying my quad off him, but would I listen? No, says I, I want the option of SLI, so I bought it anyway.

That being said, the multiplier on my QX6700 is unlocked so hopefully FSB woes with my evga 680i-A1 won't be too bad.

btw Anti, what are the documented FSB limits of your board?

Flaccus

So I'm not a dead man then
Maybe my words were a bit strong.

Anti - Abit IP35 Pro is a good 'un. Alot of the P35's have the magic boot up, shuts down after 3 seconds and then boots up again "feature". Supposed to be a diagnostic. The Pro version of the IP35 does not have this "feature" and clocks pretty well. The Asus Blitz is supposed to clock the highest of the lot. The X38 does not seem to offer many advantages unless you are going Crossfire.

Anti

@ L31mr0d, 500mhz is meant to be the limit of this board. I must try it out with a low multi to see how far i can get it. Bit worried about the nb temps though. They were hitting 80c before i put as5 on it.

@ Flaccus, yeah i have been looking at the abit and the asus boards you mention. Im hoping to find one second hand.

Also, my board is for sale now, if anyone wants it just pm me

Hendrix89

Flaccus wrote:

Alot of the P35's have the magic boot up, shuts down after 3 seconds and then boots up again "feature".

Oh so my boards not broken:rolleyes: I was ****'n myself, wondering why it did that everytime I turned off/on the PSU... Silly me:D

So it is definately ment to do this yeah!?

awhir

Anti wrote:

@ L31mr0d, 500mhz is meant to be the limit of this board. I must try it out with a low multi to see how far i can get it. Bit worried about the nb temps though. They were hitting 80c before i put as5 on it.

@ Flaccus, yeah i have been looking at the abit and the asus boards you mention. Im hoping to find one second hand.

Also, my board is for sale now, if anyone wants it just pm me

quads are diffrent you will notice a much lower fsb wall with that board/

nibble

If your looking for recommendations for a P35, I'd have to say P5K-Premium, IP35-Pro and the Blitz Formula are the best of the lot, DFI's P35 Lanparty doesn't seem to be on sale yet and it was supposed to be ready over a month ago that would be very good too (and expensive).

Hendrix89

^ The P5K Premium's are very hard to find... I would of got one but I'm pretty sure they are just not letting Europe in on this board... Looked everywhere, no sign of it.

Anti, I would highly recommend my board (P5K Deluxe) if you are unable to find the premium, or just simply want to spend less.

I have found it so easy to OC with!! It really is a beaut. It was nicely priced when I got, so I'd say it's a steal now..

Flaccus

I found the IP35 pro a higher clocker then any of the P5K's.
Also, no stupid reboot issue. (The regular IP35 has the reboot problem as do a lot of P35 boards). Also the Asus Blitz has Asus's implementation of dual 8x crossfire I think (or could be dual 16x..generally P35's are 16x and 4x), but if you want that wait for the X38 which has dual 16x crossfire.

Flaccus

Hendrix89 wrote:

Oh so my boards not broken:rolleyes: I was ****'n myself, wondering why it did that everytime I turned off/on the PSU... Silly me:D

So it is definately ment to do this yeah!?

Yes indeed, and depending on the psu you have, if you have a GTX with this board the piezzo speaker will let out a little beep when this happens as the voltage drains so quickly from the capacitors the G80 thinks there 'aint enough power on the 12v rail. Sort of annoying.