England v USA 5pm

zAbbo · 08-09-2007 3:42pm #1

England: Cueto; Lewsey, Noon, Catt, Robinson; Barkley, Perry; Sheridan, Regan, Vickery, Shaw, Kay, Worsley, Rees, Dallaglio.
Replacements: Chuter, Stevens, Corry, Moody, Richards, Farrell, Tait.

USA: Wyles; Sika, Emerick, Esikia, Ngwenya; Hercus (capt), Erskine; MacDonald, Lentz, Osentowski, Gross, Mangan, Stanfill, Clever, Bloomfield.
Replacements: Burdette, Moeakiloa, Parker, Basauri, Petri, Malifa, Tuipulotu.

Will be interesting to see what shape England are in, Wilkinson is injury (again)

Supercell · 08-09-2007 3:44pm

That intro on ITV was pretty cool.
Hope the yanks are as hyped as the sound bites would seem to indicate.
Don't think engerland are good enough for a huge 50+ victory though.

Inquitus · 08-09-2007 3:54pm

Munster B Team beat the USA 10-6 in Chicago 2 weeks ago. It was pretty much their starting 15 aswell.

England should put at least 50-60 on them.

Inqui

PowerHouseDan · 08-09-2007 4:09pm

Oh i do hate the English there are prob the only scream when a player from the other team is kicking.

Junior · 08-09-2007 4:15pm

****in Disgraceful from Vickery.

PowerHouseDan · 08-09-2007 4:16pm

That is disgraceful and the Ref must of seen it.

The1337_Stephen · 08-09-2007 4:16pm

Bloddy disgrace, should have been a US Try, dirty play

zAbbo · 08-09-2007 4:16pm

Disgraceful boot from Vickery, very poor officiating.

PowerHouseDan · 08-09-2007 4:18pm

I no its 17 min gone but English are not looking like a world cup winning team. Cant wait for South Afica to Hockey them

zAbbo · 08-09-2007 4:19pm

I wonder what Andy 'Robbo' will say at half time now (Setanta), he was claiming an easy path to the Semi's beforehand.

Inquitus · 08-09-2007 4:22pm

Muwhahahahahahahahahahaha, my god are they ubershíte.

mikeruurds · 08-09-2007 4:22pm

C'mon the bokke. If the poms play like this next Friday they're buggered.

Disgraceful trip there by Vickery btw. He could've done Hercus a bad knee injury.

The1337_Stephen · 08-09-2007 4:23pm

lol, "The USA have really picked up their game for this match"... or maybe England are just ****e

Junior · 08-09-2007 4:27pm

I'm watching it on ITV, was going to get Setanta in, but didn't think it was worth it.

Funkstard · 08-09-2007 4:31pm

The kick by Vickery and then crossing a few minutes later...both went un-penalised. Commentators were shouting for a yellow card after Vickery's incident!

PowerHouseDan · 08-09-2007 4:32pm

ITv"While we will win this game we need to show that we can win"

Easy_81 · 08-09-2007 4:33pm

Shame the US lost a man to a yellow but you can't get in over the ball. They were doing really well containing England. Think it may change now though...

Junior · 08-09-2007 4:37pm

Robinson gone over for a Try

Funkstard · 08-09-2007 4:42pm

My god England are absolute bollocks

mikeruurds · 08-09-2007 4:46pm

They've scored 2 tries but looked very unconvincing.

Inquitus · 08-09-2007 4:48pm

They are awful, beyond awful, the Boks will murder them. I don't care what they dio in the 2nd half, that 1st 30minutes against 15yanks shows England for what they are.....pure muck.

Inqui

mikeruurds · 08-09-2007 4:51pm

Inquitus wrote:

They are awful, beyond awful, the Boks will murder them. I don't care what they dio in the 2nd half, that 1st 30minutes against 15yanks shows England for what they are.....pure muck.

Inqui

As a saffie and diehard bok fan, that's music to my ears

wingnut · 08-09-2007 5:06pm

Damn try given. AHHH was hoping the eagles were good for one try of their own.

Junior · 08-09-2007 5:33pm

Dallagio gone and a try - woohooooo !

Go USA ! GO !

Shzm · 08-09-2007 5:34pm

Usa!!

RuggieBear · 08-09-2007 5:35pm

hope Vickery is cited. England don't look to great but i'm sure they will raise their game against the bokke

The1337_Stephen · 08-09-2007 5:41pm

Sorry, but... ownzed (aimed at the spear tackle)

zAbbo · 08-09-2007 5:41pm

not his fault he got flipped so easily

Junior · 08-09-2007 5:46pm

Thank god I can turn off ITV now, ****in commentary is terrible, even in comparison to TV3.

EdgarAllenPoo · 08-09-2007 5:48pm

That score was very good for USA and horrible for England. They'll make it out of the pool stages but will be eaten alive by the bigger teams.

JJ · 08-09-2007 5:55pm

Commentator on Setanta pointed out that the ref is from SA and he "probably" ignored Vickery's trip so that he'd be suspended for England's next match against SA.

wixfjord · 08-09-2007 5:57pm

At 28-3 and with the USA all over england Barnes on UTV said that the scoreline was "convincing". What awful punditry Barnes is also horribly biased. Hope Samoa give the chariot a right goin over

Tackle on Barkley was bad tho

JJ · 08-09-2007 5:57pm

Anyhoo, great performance from the US. Despite the 28 points given up, the defense was amazing for an amateur team playing against professionals. The US try at the end was very much deserved and it was great seeing Dallaglio carded at the end.

Amz · 08-09-2007 6:04pm

JJ wrote:

Commentator on Setanta pointed out that the ref is from SA and he "probably" ignored Vickery's trip so that he'd be suspended for England's next match against SA.

I never heard him say that. Will have to watch the replay.

Very, very poor from England they did the simple stuff very poorly and the Eagles never let their heads go down. Couldn't believe how much I was shouting for them, the try at the end was fully deserved.

No bonus point for England either.

JJ · 08-09-2007 6:08pm

Amz wrote:

I never heard him say that. Will have to watch the replay.

Yeah, I just double checked:

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/fixtures/round=100/match=10076/officials.html

He's from SA all right, very interesting. The guy on Setanta kinda backed off from making any accusation but at least hinted at what I mentioned above.

robinph · 08-09-2007 6:09pm

I'm not sure what commentary you guys were listening to on itv but they were clearly saying england were rubbish. Not sure why you are all claiming bias.

zAbbo · 08-09-2007 6:22pm

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/08092007/58/world-cup-england-woeful-against-usa.html

World Cup - England woeful against USA

Defending champions England produced a woeful performance in their opening match of the World Cup as they struggled to defeat part-timers USA 28-10 in Lens.

Supercell · 08-09-2007 6:45pm

Engerland are going to need to seriously improve when the play Somoa (who can play a bit) - theres a strong risk of a shock there!

Junior · 08-09-2007 6:46pm

robinph wrote:

I'm not sure what commentary you guys were listening to on itv but they were clearly saying england were rubbish. Not sure why you are all claiming bias.

I'm not claiming bias, I'm just claiming it's woeful ****e commentary.

Amz · 08-09-2007 8:43pm

JJ wrote:

Yeah, I just double checked:

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/fixtures/round=100/match=10076/officials.html

He's from SA all right, very interesting. The guy on Setanta kinda backed off from making any accusation but at least hinted at what I mentioned above.

Eh, no, I'm watching rugby long enough to know Kaplan is from South Africa, what I was referring to was you saying that the commentator said he would make such a decision possibly to benefit his home team.

I didn't hear the commentator on Setanta saying that and such a claim is dodgy.

zAbbo · 08-09-2007 8:45pm

I didn't hear it either.

Conspiracy theorys aside, England were poor and failed to get a bonus point over a team which their A's put in 8/9 tries.

irlrobins · 08-09-2007 9:54pm

Amz wrote:

I didn't hear the commentator on Setanta saying that and such a claim is dodgy.

I heard it. JJ pretty much has it right. Although I wouldn't go so far as say the commentator (NF) was accusing the ref, just an observation.

Amz · 08-09-2007 10:13pm

Bit of a difference then.

Hardly a conspiracy though, I think Kaplan's credibility would have been questioned sooner had he that kind of motivation while reffing games. I doubt the Springboks are that threatened by England that they need help from a ref in another game anyway.

irlrobins · 08-09-2007 10:16pm

NF did also question the process of having a match official referring a game in which his home country was in the same pool.

Amz · 08-09-2007 10:20pm

Well that's what he's paid to do, talk. Why didn't he question it prior to the competition when the refs were assigned to the various matches?

robinph · 08-09-2007 10:30pm

irlrobins wrote:

NF did also question the process of having a match official referring a game in which his home country was in the same pool.

I did think that was a bit odd that the ref was from South Africa for a pool A game, but I think he was the first non English ref that's been used so far so they are probably working from a very limited set of countries to choose their refs from.

Marshy · 08-09-2007 10:49pm

robinph wrote:

I did think that was a bit odd that the ref was from South Africa for a pool A game, but I think he was the first non English ref that's been used so far so they are probably working from a very limited set of countries to choose their refs from.

Not really, theres 2 Irish, 3 English, 1 Welsh, 1 French, 2 NZ, 2 SA and 1 from Australia. But as far as I see they each ref 1 game from each of the pools.

I do agree that it should have been better arranged however.

Hugh_C · 08-09-2007 11:23pm

Amz wrote:

Eh, no, I'm watching rugby long enough to know Kaplan is from South Africa, what I was referring to was you saying that the commentator said he would make such a decision possibly to benefit his home team.

I didn't hear the commentator on Setanta saying that and such a claim is dodgy.

What Neil Francis suggested was that it was possible that Kaplan overlooked the foul because if he had carded Vickery there and then, that would have been the end of it. Having not carded Vickery leaves the possiblility of citing open (and possible suspension against the Springboks).

Peronally, I think Kaplan is just blind and didn't notice.

robinph · 08-09-2007 11:37pm

Marshy wrote:

Not really, theres 2 Irish, 3 English, 1 Welsh, 1 French, 2 NZ, 2 SA and 1 from Australia. But as far as I see they each ref 1 game from each of the pools.

I do agree that it should have been better arranged however.

Only having refs from 7 of the 16 countries is a bit limited but i guess most of the nations don't get enough high level tournaments to have the need for them at the same international level. How come italy and scotland don't have any though?

Hugh_C · 08-09-2007 11:44pm

robinph wrote:

How come italy and scotland don't have any though?

too fat.

Pherekydes · 09-09-2007 12:54am

robinph wrote:

Only having refs from 7 of the 16 countries...

There're 20 countries. England could be in trouble against Samoa, who've played well against them in the past. South Africa-Samoa could be a cracker tomorrow, well today.

England v USA 5pm

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