Little boy racers

wingding

I just read in the metro that souped up car exhausts are considered noise pollution... They will be illegal from July next year! Yippee, no more being woken up by them racing up and down the spine road...

mikedragon32

Thread moved to Motors.

breadmonkey

Excellent. Maybe we should tamper with their brakes as well...?

JohnCleary

What about 'BIG' boy racers? Why is it always the 'little' boy racers that are being picked on?!

FuzzyWuzzyWazza

breadmonkey wrote:

Excellent. Maybe we should tamper with their brakes as well...?

Yeah, but sshhhuussss, keep it quiet or we will be caught.:p

Mitch Connor

JohnCleary wrote:

What about 'BIG' boy racers? Why is it always the 'little' boy racers that are being picked on?!

not applicable, surely they are all compensating for 'something' so could never be considered big boys to being with.*


*not my actual opinion, just havin a larf.

daedalus2097

Excellent Seeing piddly little cars with loud exhausts tacked onto them just makes me cringe... Do they think it's goinna double the power of their 60HP engines or something? Apparently the rule is going to be along the lines of "standard exhausts only" which I can see being a problem for some people who have a legitimate reason for uprating their exhaust...

C_Breeze

Oh arent you all very big and clever. :rolleyes:

It will be all modified exhausts that will be banned not just noisy ones.

I have a stainless steel exhaust on my car with a Lifetime guarantee, this doesn't create any extra raspy "boy racer" noise , should this fail?? ... i got it for the looks and so it doesnt rust, reliability. - under the new law I will INSTANTLY fail.

What about sports cars such as Imprezas , Evos which have standard exhaust pipes which are VERY loud from the manufacturer... theirs would pass because they are standard (although muuuuch noisier than mine) - why should theirs pass and mine fail.

OP have you even asked yourself these , questions ... quite clearly not

... this was clearly an AH thread that was moved to motors, because its clear you dont have a clue

Anan1

daedalus2097 wrote:

which I can see being a problem for some people who have a legitimate reason for uprating their exhaust...

What's a 'legitimate reason'?

C_Breeze

Anan1 wrote:

What's a 'legitimate reason'?

Looks , reliabilty perhaps

freedom , individuality maybe?

Blue850

So for one day every 2 years, the day of its NCT, the boyracermobile will have its standard exhaust fitted...:rolleyes:

C_Breeze

Blue850 wrote:

So for one day every 2 years, the day of its NCT, the boyracermobile will have its standard exhaust fitted...:rolleyes:

Not as easy as that, exhausts require welding a lot of work so are expensive to replace and swap around.

wingding

I'm merely citing what I read in the paper this morning. And no I don't know alot about it (I didn't claim I did) but I'm happy that I'm not going to hear those stupid exhausts. Why someone would change an exhaust for the "look" of it is beyond me?!? As for your own problems. Frankly I couldn't care less!

Anan1

C_Breeze wrote:

Looks , reliabilty perhaps

freedom , individuality maybe?

Read daedalus2097's post, the one I quoted. Then you'll understand why i'm asking.

C_Breeze

wingding wrote:

I'm merely citing what I read in the paper this morning. And no I don't know alot about it (I didn't claim I did) but I'm happy that I'm not going to hear those stupid exhausts. Why someone would change an exhaust for the "look" of it is beyond me?!? As for your own problems. Frankly I couldn't care less!

Quite clearly not. I rest my case.

Your attitude and argument is actually infuriatingly stupid.

Have a look at this exact same topic/thread ... only clearly better discussed and with more educated posts and opinions as opposed to stupid ramblings about boy racers

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055145783

daedalus2097

C_Breeze wrote:

Oh arent you all very big and clever. :rolleyes:

It will be all modified exhausts that will be banned not just noisy ones.

This is why I said about people with legitimate reasons. There are reasons, such as having to replace the exhaust but the original ones aren't available any more. This has been the case for a couple of friends who have had to fit exhausts made for a more powerful engine because theirs simply isn't available any more.

What about cars like the Alfa GTV/Spider? That has the option of a non-standard stainless exhaust from Alfa themselves - will that pass?

Don't get me wrong, I'd dearly love to see every boy racer with a stupid oversized exhaust hung by his tracksuit, but there are other reasons to consider which hopefully the NCTS will take into account.

cpoh1

Dont worry lads this isint going to happen.

One example of the problems this law will encounter: A standard evo9 from the factory comes fitted with a non-mitsubishi exhaust, the evo exhaust is 4" in diameter and made by HKS as far as I remember. You can also buy this AFTERMARKET exhaust from the shelves in japan. Just like most performance cars from the factory the evo has brembo (not mitsubishi calipers) and a garrett (again not mitusbishi) turbo. So what does the nct crowd do here? Fail a 65k car for having an exhaust that was fitted from the factory but is not made by the manufacturer???

The uk who in my opinion are light years ahead of us in motoring terms have specified dB limits for aftermarket exhausts, the police can do roadside checks with dB readers on any car they want (and that includes bangers with broken exhausts). If the car is above the legal limit then it is taken from the owner on the spot.

Ive got an aftermarket exhaust on my skyline that doesnt make any more noise than the standard one would. And im not taking it off either.

daedalus2097

Absolutely, the UK have the right idea. A db check at NCT time rather than an OEM check will be far more useful in ridding the place of exhausts which have no reason for being loud other than to attract the attention of fellow boy racers, and maybe the odd female boy racer...

fletch

Being discussed on spin 103 at the moment.

C_Breeze

Great post cpoh1 & daedelus

try telling that to the OP

YIPEEE!!!11 :rolleyes:

McSandwich

cpoh1 wrote:

The uk who in my opinion are light years ahead of us in motoring terms have specified dB limits for aftermarket exhausts, the police can do roadside checks with dB readers on any car they want (and that includes bangers with broken exhausts). If the car is above the legal limit then it is taken from the owner on the spot.

That makes too much sense and would be too easy for our lot who see no value in laws or policies unless they're over complicated, difficult to implement, and probable unenforceable. Then again, choosing an easy sensible option would mean less hours to claim for their consultant mates.

colm_mcm

i's easy enough to prove that a 1.0 Polo shouldn't have a 4" exhaust, try proving that a 15 year old jap import model came from factory with a particular system. Mate of mine with a jap import Lancer was pulled ver by a Garda for acting the maggot, the Guard couldn't find any law he was breaking, so inspected his car. brought him to court for his stainless steel exhaust, mate said it was on the car when he brought it in - the case was thrown out. There should be a set legal noise limit set for all cars. Was beside a 06 Ferarri last week on the quays, and it was deafening.

smash

wingding wrote:

I just read in the metro that souped up car exhausts are considered noise pollution... They will be illegal from July next year! Yippee, no more being woken up by them racing up and down the spine road...

would you be complaining as much if it was a few rich guys in Lambos and Ferrari's? I doubt it.... This will never work because some people DO have to replace exhausts! are they going to make everyone go back to the Manufacturer to get a "real" exhaust if something happens to their own! Places like fast fit would go out of business!

BnA

This drives me freggin insane....

I heard that utter tool box Jim Mc Daid (I think) on Today FM yesterday (Actually... maybe it was Tuesday) evening on about this with some fella from Driver.ie

McDaid made an utter fool of himself. He was moaning and piddling on about Boy Racers doing doughnuts on the road and knocking over old grannies and blah blah blah..... But he couldn't answer one specific question.... How in the name of Jehova is banning after market exhausts going to stop any of this....?

Now, I am not into modified cars at all whatsoever. In fact, nothing pee's me off more than seeing a perfectly nice car fecked up by an oversized exhaust and dumb azzed spoiler. But hey... That's my opinion.... And if some young fella (or young wan) wants to spend their hard earned money on that craic.... then sure, that's their own look out.

Yes.... Some boy racers do drive dangerously.... but is banning after market exhausts going to solve this..... Is it even bloody well remotely related....???

As for the noise issue.... That's fair enough... Then make it so that a car at X thousand revs must have a noise level below Y decibels.... Very easy to measure. Black and white.

So if a young fella wants to spend a few grand sticking a big azzed shiney exhaust under a 96 Punto... as long as it's not too loud and the emmissions are ok.... well off with him in my book.

C_Breeze

BnA wrote:

This drives me freggin insane....

I heard that utter tool box Jim Mc Daid (I think) on Today FM yesterday (Actually... maybe it was Tuesday) evening on about this with some fella from Driver.ie

McDaid made an utter fool of himself. He was moaning and piddling on about Boy Racers doing doughnuts on the road and knocking over old grannies and blah blah blah..... But he couldn't answer one specific question.... How in the name of Jehova is banning after market exhausts going to stop any of this....?

Now, I am not into modified cars at all whatsoever. In fact, nothing pee's me off more than seeing a perfectly nice car fecked up by an oversized exhaust and dumb azzed spoiler. But hey... That's my opinion.... And if some young fella (or young wan) wants to spend their hard earned money on that craic.... then sure, that's their own look out.

Yes.... Some boy racers do drive dangerously.... but is banning after market exhausts going to solve this..... Is it even bloody well remotely related....???

As for the noise issue.... That's fair enough... Then make it so that a car at X thousand revs must have a noise level below Y decibels.... Very easy to measure. Black and white.

So if a young fella wants to spend a few grand sticking a big azzed shiney exhaust under a 96 Punto... as long as it's not too loud and the emmissions are ok.... well off with him in my book.

My thoughts EXACTLY!!!! I agree with you word for word , beggining to end

Anan1

C_Breeze wrote:

My thoughts EXACTLY!!!! I agree with you word for word , beggining to end

Me too.

Linford

BnA wrote:

This drives me freggin insane....

I heard that utter tool box Jim Mc Daid (I think) on Today FM yesterday (Actually... maybe it was Tuesday) evening on about this with some fella from Driver.ie

McDaid made an utter fool of himself. He was moaning and piddling on about Boy Racers doing doughnuts on the road and knocking over old grannies and blah blah blah..... But he couldn't answer one specific question.... How in the name of Jehova is banning after market exhausts going to stop any of this....?

....

Of all the the politicians commenting about other drivers Jim McDaid should be the last one... However annoying a 1.1 litre car with a 4" modified exhaust is, its nothing compared to a drunk driver heading the wrong way down a dual carriageway

stovelid

C_Breeze wrote:

freedom , individuality maybe?

That's right because putting a big exhaust on your car is really up there with universal suffrage and world peace isn't it.

projectgtr

C_Breeze, colm_mcm, cpoh1
Just some good examples where this scene is going,more educated (car wise) and strong opinons, most people in the scene would frown upon these stupid exhausts mostly ebay knockoffs of high quality engineering.

Banning modifed or non OEM exhausts is NEVER going (Uniforcable law is bad law) a meeting in the middle will most likely be the outcome with NCT dbl readings (must remember to turn off my Vtec:D ) this wouldnt bother me at all.

Just my 2cents
P.S:Above mentioned guys good points and well structured :cool:

mikedragon32

C_Breeze wrote:

Oh arent you all very big and clever. :rolleyes:

....

... this was clearly an AH thread that was moved to motors, because its clear you dont have a clue

No, if you care to look at my post immediately after his you'll see it came from the Wicklow forum (or more accurately the Greystones & Charlesland Forum).

Isn't presumption a terrible thing?

[CrimsonGhost]

The need to simply bring in db limits AND enforce them across the board. Not just on cars, but on bikes, vans, lorries etc.
If your vehicle is too loud due to stock/aftermarket/rusted exhaust you should be treated the same, along with everyone else whose vehicle fails the db limits.

mikemac

Linford wrote:

Of all the the politicians commenting about other drivers Jim McDaid should be the last one... However annoying a 1.1 litre car with a 4" modified exhaust is, its nothing compared to a drunk driver heading the wrong way down a dual carriageway

Enough of this Jim McDaid bashing (even though he deserves it). It was Jim Higgins of Fine Gael on Today FM on Tuesday evening. Different politican and even a different party.

<sits back and waits for somone to say all politicans are the same anyway>

Rudolph Claus

wingding wrote:

I just read in the metro that souped up car exhausts are considered noise pollution... They will be illegal from July next year! Yippee, no more being woken up by them racing up and down the spine road...

Dream on sunshine, i hate politically correct moanbags like you! I dont have an aftermarket exhaust, i find the standard 1 on my Honda vtec is nice enough but I have been considering getting a nice performance full stainless steel system for some time. I mightnt bother getting one, but if this law comes in made by politically correct drips well then ill be ordering my exhaust the very next day just to pi$$ off the likes of you.

Oh, and fines and crap dont bother people like me so no, you wont escape the "noise pollution" just yet.

Another little hobby of mine is revving inbetween speed ramps, i do this purely because the knobs in these little housing estates (estates is usually where these ramops are) who have moaned and campainged for the rms think it`ll slow people down and stop them making noise, well it backfires on the moanbags when im around and using their crappy little housing estates as a rat run to get home to my nice house in the peaceful countryside, because instead of slowing/quietening me down i go out of my way to go faster and make more noise!
HAHAHA :D:D

And theirs loads of silencers/valves mechanisims for toning down exhausts for nct`s and the like these days, especially on the more expensive performance exhaust sysytems so people will still have them fitted.

I do agree that numptys in fiat puntos with 4" big bore backboxes can be annoying sometimes but it aint that bad so stop whining and get a life, grandda.

Rudolph Claus

Ps: whats the db limit they`re using in England, thats probably what they`ll use here too.

johnnyrotten

wingding wrote:

I just read in the metro that souped up car exhausts are considered noise pollution... They will be illegal from July next year! Yippee, no more being woken up by them racing up and down the spine road...

Where is the spine road

Rudolph Claus

johnnyrotten wrote:

Where is the spine road

Lol, yeah i want to know too, i might take a little spin up round that way.

Tropheus

It's one of those laws that would be practically impossible to enforce. The NCT wouldn't make an impact. It's only every 3 years so not a big deal to refit the stock exhaust for the day the car is going in for the NCT. If anybody bothers about the NCT as that's not legally enforced either.

Michael G

wingding wrote:

I just read in the metro that souped up car exhausts are considered noise pollution... They will be illegal from July next year! Yippee, no more being woken up by them racing up and down the spine road...

Boy racers are irritating little tossers and their cars are pathetic. They annoy me intensely.

But then I'm fifty years old. There are already too many things banned, and too many prodnose inspectors and controllers and jobsworths interfering in things that might be annoying to me or someone else but are basically pretty harmless. I have no doubt that some of the things I do or say are annoying to other people. I don't mean to be disrespectful, because he was talking about something a great deal more serious, but I do think of Niemöller's poem. Let the boy racers do their thing (yes, I know, as long as they obey the existing road traffic laws), and let me do mine, and don't feed the control-freaks.

Dr. Loon

Nuttzy wrote:

Dream on sunshine, i hate politically correct moanbags like you! I dont have an aftermarket exhaust, i find the standard 1 on my Honda vtec is nice enough but I have been considering getting a nice performance full stainless steel system for some time. I mightnt bother getting one, but if this law comes in made by politically correct drips well then ill be ordering my exhaust the very next day just to pi$$ off the likes of you.

Oh, and fines and crap dont bother people like me so no, you wont escape the "noise pollution" just yet.

Another little hobby of mine is revving inbetween speed ramps, i do this purely because the knobs in these little housing estates (estates is usually where these ramops are) who have moaned and campainged for the rms think it`ll slow people down and stop them making noise, well it backfires on the moanbags when im around and using their crappy little housing estates as a rat run to get home to my nice house in the peaceful countryside, because instead of slowing/quietening me down i go out of my way to go faster and make more noise!
HAHAHA :D:D

And theirs loads of silencers/valves mechanisims for toning down exhausts for nct`s and the like these days, especially on the more expensive performance exhaust sysytems so people will still have them fitted.

I do agree that numptys in fiat puntos with 4" big bore backboxes can be annoying sometimes but it aint that bad so stop whining and get a life, grandda.

I hope to God you're taking the píss!?

oleras

Nuttzy wrote:

Dream on sunshine, i hate politically correct moanbags like you! I dont have an aftermarket exhaust, i find the standard 1 on my Honda vtec is nice enough but I have been considering getting a nice performance full stainless steel system for some time. I mightnt bother getting one, but if this law comes in made by politically correct drips well then ill be ordering my exhaust the very next day just to pi$$ off the likes of you.

Oh, and fines and crap dont bother people like me so no, you wont escape the "noise pollution" just yet.

Another little hobby of mine is revving inbetween speed ramps, i do this purely because the knobs in these little housing estates (estates is usually where these ramops are) who have moaned and campainged for the rms think it`ll slow people down and stop them making noise, well it backfires on the moanbags when im around and using their crappy little housing estates as a rat run to get home to my nice house in the peaceful countryside, because instead of slowing/quietening me down i go out of my way to go faster and make more noise!
HAHAHA :D:D

And theirs loads of silencers/valves mechanisims for toning down exhausts for nct`s and the like these days, especially on the more expensive performance exhaust sysytems so people will still have them fitted.

I do agree that numptys in fiat puntos with 4" big bore backboxes can be annoying sometimes but it aint that bad so stop whining and get a life, grandda.

You just reinforced most peoples opinion of "de mod scene".....

Such a childish attitude.

Esel

Nuttzy confirms his reputation again. :rolleyes:

Darragh29

It's been a stupid situation for the last few years when the vehicle manufacturers have to comply with noise emission legislation and once a car hits the road, you can put an exhaust on it that makes itr sound like a Harrier jump jet. Thank God someone has had the cop on to introduce this new law, long long overdue.

s8n

Nuttzy wrote:

Dream on sunshine, i hate politically correct moanbags like you! I dont have an aftermarket exhaust, i find the standard 1 on my Honda vtec is nice enough but I have been considering getting a nice performance full stainless steel system for some time. I mightnt bother getting one, but if this law comes in made by politically correct drips well then ill be ordering my exhaust the very next day just to pi$$ off the likes of you.

Oh, and fines and crap dont bother people like me so no, you wont escape the "noise pollution" just yet.

Another little hobby of mine is revving inbetween speed ramps, i do this purely because the knobs in these little housing estates (estates is usually where these ramops are) who have moaned and campainged for the rms think it`ll slow people down and stop them making noise, well it backfires on the moanbags when im around and using their crappy little housing estates as a rat run to get home to my nice house in the peaceful countryside, because instead of slowing/quietening me down i go out of my way to go faster and make more noise!
HAHAHA :D:D

And theirs loads of silencers/valves mechanisims for toning down exhausts for nct`s and the like these days, especially on the more expensive performance exhaust sysytems so people will still have them fitted.

I do agree that numptys in fiat puntos with 4" big bore backboxes can be annoying sometimes but it aint that bad so stop whining and get a life, grandda.

What a muppet you are. Seriously. Are your fellow amoeba's proud ?

craichoe

Its all speculation at this point i think .. nobody knows how its going to work.

It could possibly be something like the system in Germany, whereby the manufacturer of after market accessories has to get approval for the type of vehicle its to be fitted to.

I believe if it was required by Irish law to fit the manufacturers replacement parts it would be deemed anti-competitive by the European Court (If you took it that far).

C_Breeze

mikedragon32 wrote:

No, if you care to look at my post immediately after his you'll see it came from the Wicklow forum (or more accurately the Greystones & Charlesland Forum).

Isn't presumption a terrible thing?

It could have came from the Personal Issues forum from all I care!

My statement was to highlight that this was clealry and uneducated post from quite obviously somewhere outside the Motors forum by a person who doesnt have a clue about Motoring and just jumps on the 'boy racer' bandwagon and believes everything they hear from some looney politician. :rolleyes:

Anyway, issue has already been discussed before and constructive valid points have already been made.

nothing new to see here.

layke

:rolleyes: GIANT ROLLEYES to anyone who took Nuttzy's post seriously.

Sure some gob****e is trying to close Tipperary Raceway now (http://www.tipperaryraceway.com/). It's a like a war on anyone into cars, modifying or racing them.

Still, in defyance i'm going to keep my loud boom boom exhaust. For €50 I can get it swapped back to the standard one I keep in my shed for the NCT.
Plus the Guards are usually an ok bunch. Most won't pull you over in Dublin unless you're skidding round corners sideways.

furtzy

Look its simple just set a decible limit on exhausts same as the UK. Give the guards the sound measuring devices and thats it. Banning non OEM exhausts is daft. Hopefully this will come about and end the annoyance these boy racer twats cause

s8n

layke wrote:

Still, in defyance i'm going to keep my loud boom boom exhaust. For €50 I can get it swapped back to the standard one I keep in my shed for the NCT.
Plus the Guards are usually an ok bunch. Most won't pull you over in Dublin unless you're skidding round corners sideways.

But whats the point ?

Seriously, what advantage does it give you ?

furtzy

s8n wrote:

But whats the point ?

Seriouslyu, what advantage does it give you ?

An extra 1100 BHP.....same as painted drum brakes and the bonnet scoops....don't you know anything

layke

Coupled with the manifold I have I get extra bhp from my engine.
Looks better with the body adjustments my car has, a normal one would look ****e.
Sounds better (although my exhaust isn't actually that loud).

Difference is kids, I live in Dublin beside the M50. We don't have quiet nights here. In fact all I hear at night is cars with big exhausts pass us by yet, I can sleep quite comfortably through it. Perhaps i'm used to the noise, where as you country folk would be used to quiet nights.

furtzy

layke wrote:

Coupled with the manifold I have I get extra bhp from my engine.
Looks better with the body adjustments my car has, a normal one would look ****e.
Sounds better (although my exhaust isn't actually that loud).

Difference is kids, I live in Dublin beside the M50. We don't have quiet nights here. In fact all I hear at night is cars with big exhausts pass us by yet, I can sleep quite comfortably through it. Perhaps i'm used to the noise, where as you country folk would be used to quiet nights.

Good for you. So that justifies annoying other people. Top attitude