Which "supercar" does slow the best?

peasant

Following on from Veyron ...not suitable for Irish roads, etc?

Which out and out sports car actually would be?

I (obviously:D ) have no experience ...but which supercar could actually "drive" in the queue for the toll bridge, in stop and go through town or down a narrow, potholed, loose chippinged, typical Irish country road in such a way that you would actually find it enjoyable?

911's and M3's would be quite able to hack it as a daily driver ...but they're not really "supercars".

I intend to win the lotto tommorow ...recommend me a supercar for Irish roads !

maidhc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_LM002

Henry Ford III

911 is very much a supercar I'd have said.

It's not a "hypercar" however (Top Gear term).

tdc

ferrari f430/porsche 911 turbo

CarLover

911 Turbo is the everyday supercar. They have a terrible image attached to them but I'd have to test drive one if I had the money. Also...they won't break your heart like other supercars.

prospect

Maserati Quattroporte is the only man for Irish roads. I know its not a super or hyper car, but it is the best option imo.

smash

If you have the money to buy a supercar then forget about the roads and go and buy a Zonda or something... cars are meant to be driven, no matter what the price tag.

If someone wants to buy a hypercar car, remain anonymous, then ship it to Spain it's up to them but I do think it's a waste.... especially because there will be a few of them knocking around Spain.

And trying to remain anonymous while showing it off doesn't work in this country, it's too small.

Be proud of the car you buy and DRIVE IT! If I had the money to morrow I'd have a Lamborghini Diablo 6.0se as my "every now and then" car and I'd have a Gallardo nera as my every day car.

rowanh

Well the super cars i plan to buy are,

Honda nsx
Ferrari 328 or 308
Ultima GTR
Noble M12
ferarri 348
Detomaso Pantera

Then ones i would love to own for a short time or even just drive for a day to a week.

ferrari 550
ferrari 575
saleen s7
paganni zonda
ferrari f40
mclaren f1



Hard to say which would be nice to drive around slowly as a daily driver untill you have driven them. I find my car is a bit annoying at times as a daily driver, i only get 15 mpg from it on average and the suspension is so hard it can get a bit head wrecking but then the good points of it make it fun enough that i dont mind. ID say id happily drive any supercar around no matter how much hassle it was unless it was so low i coouldnt go over speed bumps etc.

If i had to pick one supercar to own for a year it would be the ferrari f40.

Rovi

The ould Audi RS6 is a doddle to drive every day, and will live with pretty much anything but the most 'hyper' of hypercars.

barryfitz

maidhc wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamborghini_LM002

brilliant

peasant

I really must be getting old ...

IF I won the lohho tomorrow ...I probably WOULD get a 911 (in preference to any other supercar).

Probably not even a turbo, but a Carrera 4S

smash

wow you are getting old... lol

Rovi

barryfitz wrote:

brilliant

Even better-
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Lamboghini_traktor.jpg

Hmmmm...... Lamborghini...

RobAMerc

911 - is the only super car that can be used as a daily driver - certainly no Ferrari could and why would you want to.

I do see a few DB9's used regularly though too.

smash

RobAMerc wrote:

911 - is the only super car that can be used as a daily driver - certainly no Ferrari could and why would you want to.

I do see a few DB9's used regularly though too.

you'd want to because you have it, and why couldn't it... There are a good few Ferrari's being used as daily cars and a lot of Astons, and Maseratis (although I don't rate them at all really) and thousands of Porsches

maidhc

Rovi wrote:

Hmmmm...... Lamborghini...

No relation whatsoever to the car company, and apart from having a cool name they don't hold a candle towards John Deere, New Holland, or MF, or any of the better known companies.

Funxy

peasant wrote:

911's and M3's would be quite able to hack it as a daily driver ...but they're not really "supercars".

The op was talking about supercars. I don't think some listed here are supercars myself. Though all great cars things like the nsx, noble, ultima, maserati, 911's to me are not supercars. I also wouldn't put the f430 or the gallardo as a supercar. But that's just me but as the op said he was looking for those cars a bit higher then 911's, like the porsche supercar the cgt. Which i would imagine would be the worst for sitting at the toll bridge. If the gallardo was included i imagine that would be the best for sitting at the toll bridge. If not then perhaps the ford gt. Remeber these are cheap as chips in the states so they are the affordable supercar

smash

yeah, over the last few years the "super car" has kind of gone really...

so now you have lets say "mini super cars" which are affordable to a lot of people
360
F430
Maseratti
Porsche
Aston Martins

and there are a lot of them around... And I suppose there are a good few Gallardo's now in Ireland too, at least 6 I can count.

Then you have "hyper cars" - Zonda, Koenigsegg, Murcielago LP640, Veyron etc etc

But if you want to have real super car you'll have to roal back a few years and pick up something like a Diablo.... hmmmmmmm Diablo... drool....

RobAMerc

steve06 wrote:

you'd want to because you have it, and why couldn't it... There are a good few Ferrari's being used as daily cars and a lot of Astons, and Maseratis (although I don't rate them at all really) and thousands of Porsches

I don't know really, if you look at the milage on any 2nd hand Ferrari here or in the UK you'll see they show they've not been used as daily drivers, and given the engine is generally tuned for max performance with max maintainence I doubt you'd want to - would you use your 348 daily when you know that at 40k miles it will probably need an engine rebuild ?

Can I ask why you don't rate the Masser ? I don't think I would rate the Quattroporte as a Supercar either if thats what you mean - theres a few too many doors on it.:)

peasant

steve06 wrote:

But if you want to have real super car you'll have to roal back a few years and pick up something like a Diablo.... hmmmmmmm Diablo... drool....

The one where you have to open the door and sit on the sill if you need to reverse?

smash

peasant wrote:

The one where you have to open the door and sit on the sill if you need to reverse?

no, that's the countach... I'd still want one though, for a collectors item.

smash

RobAMerc wrote:

Can I ask why you don't rate the Masser ? I don't think I would rate it as a Supercar either if thats what you mean - theres a few too many doors on it.:)

yeah I wouldn't rate it as a supercar unless you're tlaking about the MC12... But generally they bore the hell out of me... It's personal taste, I think for the kind of money I could think of a lot nicer cars to buy. I've just never been taken back by one at all.

tdc

I know a guy that used to have a Ferrari 456 as his daily driver. I don't understand why you wouldn't be able to use a Ferrari 430 everyday. If you can afford to run it the only problem may be getting over the odd speed bump.

Maserati Quattroporte and the new Gransport can easily be used everyday. The 911 is not a supercar, it's a sports car, like the BMW 6-series.

Aston DB9/V8 vantage are used as daily drivers by plenty of people. Same goes for the Bentley GT.

There are hundreds of supercars driving around everyday in cities like London. It is possible to deal with speed bumps, parking, etc. The reason why the owners don't drive them a lot is because of vandalism/damage to the car.

SGKM

I've driven a Murcielago LP640, Ferrari 430 Spider and Porsche 911 (997) turbo and its got to be the 911 turbo.

The 911 turbo is so comfortable, has a light clutch and gearshift, the ergonomics are spot on, it has fantastic steering. You can actually see out of it and park it. The grip available in the corners is unreal. And when you put push it hard acceleration is unbelieveable, it didn't feel any slower than the LP640 (it just didn't sound quite as nice!!) Its a car that you actually could drive every day.

smash

but come on... It still can't come close to the LP640. Just for the pure felling of "I'm in a lambo..... I'm 6years old again and it's christmas and I just got given a free pass to everything in harrods" I'd have a constant smle on my face for weeks.

tdc

SGKM wrote:

I've driven a Murcielago LP640, Ferrari 430 Spider and Porsche 911 (997) turbo and its got to be the 911 turbo.

The 911 turbo is so comfortable, has a light clutch and gearshift, the ergonomics are spot on, it has fantastic steering. You can actually see out of it and park it. The grip available in the corners is unreal. And when you put push it hard acceleration is unbelieveable, it didn't feel any slower than the LP640 (it just didn't sound quite as nice!!) Its a car that you actually could drive every day.

was this at thruxton experience or something similar?

Theboinkmaster

The problem in this country is you cannot have a 'supercar' as an everyday car due to vandalism.

I know people with ferrari's and porsche turbo's and they just sit in the garage except maybe for weekends otherwise they get keyed or somehow vandalised no matter where they park them. It's true that we are a nation of begrudgers and it me pisses me off whereas in the states people compliment you on the car.

I'd 'just' get an m3 or audi rs4 as they'd go largely unnoticed by the average scrote....

CarLover

re 911 Turbo is not a supercar...

It costs €215000 for a new Turbo.
BMW 650 is ~€130000.

How much does a 430 cost? Hundred grand more maybe? How do you judge a supercar? By price...or something else?

I'd class the Porsche as a supercar. If you class the Aston Martin DB9 as one then so is the Porsche.

smash

I think there's a lot to do with how excluse and unique they are too...

Rovi

maidhc wrote:

No relation whatsoever to the car company...

http://www.lambocars.com/tra/model.htm
http://www.duttondirect.com/history/view/make:lamborghini
http://www.italiancar.net/site/cars/lamborghini/index/lambo.html

SGKM

steve06 wrote:

but come on... It still can't come close to the LP640. Just for the pure felling of "I'm in a lambo..... I'm 6years old again and it's christmas and I just got given a free pass to everything in harrods" I'd have a constant smle on my face for weeks.

Yeh, it was in thruxton alright.

I just didnt warm to the Lambo like I did to the Porsche. It was very low, extremely wide and difficult to see out of. I wouldn't dare attempting to try and use one as an every day car! Even though a decent spec Lambo would be about £100k more (in the UK) than a decent spec 911 turbo, I'd take the 911 turbo any day. I would have definately said that I preferred the Lambo before I drove them back to back.

smash

SGKM wrote:

I'd take the 911 turbo any day. I would have definately said that I preferred the Lambo before I drove them back to back.

quick someone get an exorcist... he's been taken over by the dark side! lol

SGKM

steve06 wrote:

quick someone get an exorcist... he's been taken over by the dark side! lol

Its bad isnt it????;)

But honestly I absolutely love the 911 Turbo, I'd sell my soul for a 997 Turbo!! (preferabley the S thats bound to come in the next year or so with the PCCB, power upgrade and an Aero Kit.)

CarLover

steve06 wrote:

I think there's a lot to do with how excluse and unique they are too...

I'd have to disagree. Exclusivity these days is usually down to how driveable it is and how many footballers desire it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar

"Supercar is a term used for a high-end sports car, typically an exotic or rare one, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. The proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term is dependent on the era: a vehicle that is considered to be a supercar at one time may not retain its superiority in the future. The automotive press frequently calls new exotic cars "supercars"."

So I think it's okay to call a 911 a supercar.

Actually...I'd like to add that Noble make some seriously cool cars and of course a DB9 is an everyday car but it will fall apart. The 911 will outlive your children.
Also...there's a reason so many people own Porsches...because they're so damn good and they last forever. That's why you see so many.

smash

I'd probably find them more appealing if they updated the shape a lot more. I know it's an historic shape but for a car worth that much, and with a great engine I think it shouldn't fall into the crowd.

CarLover

steve06 wrote:

I'd probably find them more appealing if they updated the shape a lot more. I know it's an historic shape but for a car worth that much, and with a great engine I think it shouldn't fall into the crowd.

If you were CEO of Porsche I'm sure you think about it everyday...but if it aint broke why fix it. It's a beautiful shape. Getting that kinda styling right all over again could take them years.
Whether you like em or not they are very differently shaped to most other "supercars" and it makes them stand apart.

If you look at a 911 up close it is a beautiful car. It's just that we see so many we get very used to the shape. The Veyron for instance isn't actually all that good looking a car. It'd turn a lot of heads though due to it exclusivity and due to the fact that it was probably doing 200MPH at the time

tdc

My favorite Porsche ever is the 996 GT2, that is a real supercar. Same goes for the 997 GT2. Porsche 911's are not supercars, the GT2, GT3 and Turbo are exceptions.

On steve06's point about how exclusive they are, I think the turbo will not be considered a supercar for too long. compared to the 430 and gallardo the porsche outnumbers them both put together. It will lose it's appeal and will not be seen as desirable as the italians.

if youre walking down the road and you see a 430/gallardo on one side and a 997 turbo on the other, where are you going to go first?

however if it was a 996/997 GT2 across the road i would defenitely look at that first;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_911_GT2

Also, the only Aston i would ever consider to be close to a supercar is the new DBS, dont even think of the other two

prospect

The 911 is not a supercar, especially when compared to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Carrera_GT

smash

yeah each to their own I suppose, and they do sell well. Just missing something in my opinion... I do like them but if I had the money I'd spend it on something else.

smash

prospect wrote:

The 911 is not a supercar, especially when compared to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_Carrera_GT

I'd consider the Porsche Carrera GT to be a Hyper car

peasant

steve06 wrote:

I'd probably find them more appealing if they updated the shape a lot more. I know it's an historic shape but for a car worth that much, and with a great engine I think it shouldn't fall into the crowd.

Ohhh ...nooo ...never !

The shape and the heritage are what make the 911. Most supercars are technological masterpieces, the 911 is a masterpiece with history !

prospect

steve06 wrote:

I'd consider the Porsche Carrera GT to be a Hyper car

Yeah, but I don't buy into the whole Hyper car thing.
All the new-fangled 'hyper-cars' are what I would call supercars.

To me super cars are:

Lambo: Countach, Diablo & Muircelago
Ferrari: F40, F50 & Enzo
Masser: MC12
Buggatti: EB110 & Veyron
Porsche: Carrera GT
Koeninsiggenseggening: Any

And a few others.

Sports Cars are:
All the rest.

peasant

prospect wrote:

To me super cars are:

Lambo: Countach, Diablo & Muircelago
Ferrari: F40, F50 & Enzo
Masser: MC12
Buggatti: EB110 & Veyron
Porsche: Carrera GT
Koeninsiggenseggening: Any

any of which would probably drive you to tears in a half hour stop and go at the toll booth

maidhc

Rovi wrote:

http://www.lambocars.com/tra/model.htm
http://www.duttondirect.com/history/view/make:lamborghini
http://www.italiancar.net/site/cars/lamborghini/index/lambo.html

Same founder, indeed, but the tractors are built by SDF and are badge engineered SAMEs. Unlike their road going cousins the tractors are nothing special, and are far inferior to what the like of the FIAT group build!

rowanh

prospect wrote:

To me super cars are:

Lambo: Countach, Diablo & Muircelago
Ferrari: F40, F50 & Enzo
Masser: MC12
Buggatti: EB110 & Veyron
Porsche: Carrera GT
Koeninsiggenseggening: Any

And a few others.

Sports Cars are:
All the rest.

Seems like a very short list, just off the top of my head would you not consider these supercars?

Ferrari 288 GTO
Pagani Zonda
Ascari AZ1
Mclaren F1
Any Noble
Lamborghini Miura
Detomaso Pantera
Lotec Sirius
Freestream T1

Or by a few do you mean tons?

tdc

rowanh wrote:

Seems like a very short list, just off the top of my head would you not consider these supercars?

Ferrari 288 GTO
Pagani Zonda
Ascari AZ1
Mclaren F1
Any Noble
Lamborghini Miura
Detomaso Pantera
Lotec Sirius
Freestream T1

Or by a few do you mean tons?

Best not get into a discussion about classic supercars, this thread could go on for years!

Kersh

Defo agree with the begrudgers comment earlier, lots of that about, as for supercars to drive everyday.., hmmm

911 is the only 1. bullet proof and mileage proof.

As for dream car.. it will be an F40.

prospect

rowanh wrote:

Seems like a very short list, just off the top of my head would you not consider these supercars?

Ferrari 288 GTO
Pagani Zonda
Ascari AZ1
Mclaren F1
Any Noble
Lamborghini Miura
Detomaso Pantera
Lotec Sirius
Freestream T1

Or by a few do you mean tons?

I was kind of avoiding Classic supercars (Lets say cars which ceased production pre 1980), because I would consider that another category, i.e, They were super compared to the competition at the time, but no longer hold their own.

However I will give you:

Pagini Zonda
McLaren F1
Ascari AZ1
Lambo: Countach, Diablo & Muircelago
Ferrari: F40, F50 & Enzo
Masser: MC12
Buggatti: EB110 & Veyron
Porsche: Carrera GT
Koeninsiggenseggening: Any


P

tdc

prospect wrote:

I was kind of avoiding Classic supercars (Lets say cars which ceased production pre 1980), because I would consider that another category, i.e, They were super compared to the competition at the time, but no longer hold their own.

However I will give you:

Pagini Zonda
McLaren F1
Ascari AZ1
Lambo: Countach, Diablo & Muircelago
Ferrari: F40, F50 & Enzo
Masser: MC12
Buggatti: EB110 & Veyron
Porsche: Carrera GT
Koeninsiggenseggening: Any


P

The Ascari isn't much of a "hypercar" - the performance is closer to a ferrari 430 than an enzo

prospect

tdc wrote:

The Ascari isn't much of a "hypercar" - the performance is closer to a ferrari 430 than an enzo

My list is based on my (developing) criteria. I did say earlier that I don't recognise the term 'HyperCar', I think it is a bit silly.
You say HyperCar, I say SuperCar.
You say SuperCar, I say SportsCar.

Ye geddit?

smash

tdc wrote:

The Ascari isn't much of a "hypercar" - the performance is closer to a ferrari 430 than an enzo

Well the 599 uses the enzo engine but you wouldn't call it a hyper car.