Regarding ID

Hivemind187

To All prospective IAA members,

I received an email from an applicant this morning regarding the requirements for ID stated on the application forms and expressing concerns regarding the need for it and the use it will be put to.

I thought I would clear the matter up publically and reassure everyone of our intentions.

The Identification asked for is a drivers licence, passport or Gardai ID. this is because:

1) These three documents are the standard and considered suitable as a proof of identification having bee pre-vetted and examined by state agencies.

2) We need to have evidence of who you actually are before awarding membership in order to prevent multiple or duplicate memberships and to prevent people who have been denied membership or had the membership revoked from re-applying under an assumed identity.

3) It means that we can turn to the ministers repsonsible and proove that we have genuine people who are actively involved in the sport of Airsoft.

4) Should the Gardai have reason for concern over a person possessing a large quantity of devices strongly resembling NATO firearms a player can point to his membership in the IAA as support for responsible usage of those devices.

5) In the event that the government seek to redress the issue of Airsoft in the same manner as the UK VCR bill we can prove membership and interest (as well as commercial venture) as grounds for the drafting of a defence. Under these circumstances the ID becomes even more useful as the requirement for a national database of players may become necessary, if we have already done the ground work the IAA can make the argument to be allowed continue as a self regulating body.

Those are only the main points regarding ID.

Regarding the "have you ever been convicted of a criminal act" question. this was discussed in depth by the committee and it was felt that in order to best protect the reputation of Airsoft and the IAA we should at least ask.

If Airsoft and the IAA is to have any chance of a bright future we need to be seen as proactive and self regulating with strict rules about who can and can not be a member. Asking this question allows us a certain level of deniability should a member bring the association and the sport into disrepute.

I hope this helps to clarify things.

Hivemind187.

(typed hastily through a fog of bleary morning eyes)

CrazyRabbit

Good post.

Regarding "have you ever been convicted of a criminal act"...I seriously doubt anyone would say 'yes' even if they had a criminal record as long as your arm.

Also, I'm also not sure about the legality of asking members to provide this information. I don't know why exactly it's a problem, but I do know that here in work we are forbidden from asking potential employees that question during the interview process and I know it was for some legal reason. I'll see if I can get our HR dept to clarify the reasons.

iceage

Thats hopefully clears up the questions that I raised, one of the team is a serving member of the Gardai, and the rest of us are new to this sport and just a bit wary. So if i can just convince them all to sign the dotted line, we're there baby!!;)

Great reply hiveamind considering the morning fogginess!

Markspi

Just wondering when you are accepted as a member of The IAA
will you receive a meembership card .
Just in case Gardai Reference

Hivemind187

CrazyRabbit wrote:

Good post.

Regarding "have you ever been convicted of a criminal act"...I seriously doubt anyone would say 'yes' even if they had a criminal record as long as your arm.

Also, I'm also not sure about the legality of asking members to provide this information. I don't know why exactly it's a problem, but I do know that here in work we are forbidden from asking potential employees that question during the interview process and I know it was for some legal reason. I'll see if I can get our HR dept to clarify the reasons.

I appreciate your point CR but their are different legal reasons for each of these thigns.

Firstly, asking if someone has been convicted of a crime is to show that we have asked and received an answer, we are not expected to background check everyone and we cetainly have not got the resources to do so. We rely on the honesty of people applying for membership in all cases.

Second, regarding what you are allowed ask in interview, that is a company policy. Many companies do ask, where it could be of concern to the performance of their duties (very common in security work etc). There is a concern whereby asking a person about their criminal activities can be viewed as prejudicial to their hiring and as far as I know, civil convictions are not applicable however custodial sentences for criminal acts are.

Lastly, you HR department will be operating under employment law, we are operating as a private interest group, a hobby club without the "club" and therefore are not bound by any such restrictions. Theoretically we could ask you whatever we want and refuse membership on whatever grounds we choose - we wont do that however, the point is made to illustrate.

For the IAA to ask only makes sense to have asked considering the specialist equipment we use.

Hivemind187

Markspi wrote:

Just wondering when you are accepted as a member of The IAA
will you receive a meembership card .
Just in case Gardai Reference

At the moment all we can send you is a letter confirming your membership for this year, we havent the monetary resources to produce membership cards.

However, we do have plans to introduce such items next year along with the fee's (which will be marginal and to cover expenses only).

bigred

On a serious note, if you're gathering info such as this, you will probably be in scope for the Data Protection Act requirements as you'll be holding sensitive personal information such as DOB/Passport number, etc. It's something you might want to check out.

Hivemind187

bigred wrote:

On a serious note, if you're gathering info such as this, you will probably be in scope for the Data Protection Act requirements as you'll be holding sensitive personal information such as DOB/Passport number, etc. It's something you might want to check out.

Yes and we are aware of those concerns. The information is not publically available and is not going to be used for any other purpose than the ones already explained.

CrazyRabbit

Hivemind187 wrote:

I appreciate your point CR but their are different legal reasons for each of these thigns.

Firstly, asking if someone has been convicted of a crime is to show that we have asked and received an answer, we are not expected to background check everyone and we cetainly have not got the resources to do so. We rely on the honesty of people applying for membership in all cases.

Second, regarding what you are allowed ask in interview, that is a company policy. Many companies do ask, where it could be of concern to the performance of their duties (very common in security work etc). There is a concern whereby asking a person about their criminal activities can be viewed as prejudicial to their hiring and as far as I know, civil convictions are not applicable however custodial sentences for criminal acts are.

Lastly, you HR department will be operating under employment law, we are operating as a private interest group, a hobby club without the "club" and therefore are not bound by any such restrictions. Theoretically we could ask you whatever we want and refuse membership on whatever grounds we choose - we wont do that however, the point is made to illustrate.

For the IAA to ask only makes sense to have asked considering the specialist equipment we use.

Ok, that's fine. I figured it was just worth bringing it up because it had been mentioned so many times here in work. I know it's not company policy that prevented the question being asked, as US employees are asked. It was something to do with Irish Law but as you say, it might be regarding employment law only.

ambro25

Hivemind187 wrote:

The Identification asked for is a drivers licence, passport or Gardai ID. this is because:

1) These three documents are the standard and considered suitable as a proof of identification having bee pre-vetted and examined by state agencies. question 1

2) We need to have evidence of who you actually are before awarding membership [/b] question 2

Only quoted points 1) and 2) as I see these as the core reasons (anything else is bona fide use, but ancillary all the same).

Q1: By State Agencies, do you mean Irish State Agencies exclusively?

Q2 (linked to Q1): Will a foreign document conclusively proving ID (foreign driving license with pix) satisfy the IAA requirements?

Hivemind187

ambro25 wrote:

Only quoted points 1) and 2) as I see these as the core reasons (anything else is bona fide use, but ancillary all the same).

Q1: By State Agencies, do you mean Irish State Agencies exclusively?

Q2 (linked to Q1): Will a foreign document conclusively proving ID (foreign driving license with pix) satisfy the IAA requirements?

Ah yes, our French comrades.

In Ireland the acid test ID's are the three I have listed and it was a reference to the Irish bodies specifically, however, I presume that the rigours of identity checking on the continent are as stringent, if not more so than our own.

short answer: Yes, your french drivers licence or passport is good enough to satisfy the IAAA you were born and not hatched.

ambro25

Ah... I have a problem then... I was born cross-hatched*

*thankfully I've lost the markings as I've matured

Thx, you'll have driving license copy with the app on Saturday (if I go to HRTA - if I don't, I'll pm ye over the weekend and I'll post all on Monday).

Hivemind187

ambro25 wrote:

Ah... I have a problem then... I was born cross-hatched*

*thankfully I've lost the markings as I've matured

Thx, you'll have driving license copy with the app on Saturday (if I go to HRTA - if I don't, I'll pm ye over the weekend and I'll post all on Monday).

You're quite welcome.

artanevilla

Do you take provisional drivers licenses?

Hivemind187

artanevilla wrote:

Do you take provisional drivers licenses?

No only full drivers licences and they must be for Articulated Lorrys or motorcycles with side-cars.

Yes, we take provisionals.

artanevilla

Hivemind187 wrote:

No only full drivers licences and they must be for Articulated Lorrys or motorcycles with side-cars.

Yes, we take provisionals.

A lot of places don't take provos as I.D.

Hivemind187

artanevilla wrote:

A lot of places don't take provos as I.D.

Thats generally if they dont like the look of you. its a more official sounding version of "No trainers".

Its a officially issued photographic ID. If its good enough for the cops and the roads authority then its good enough for us.

Welcome aboard.

Lemming

Hivemind187 wrote:

Thats generally if they dont like the look of you. its a more official sounding version of "No trainers".

Its a officially issued photographic ID. If its good enough for the cops and the roads authority then its good enough for us.

Welcome aboard.

No place can "officially" refuse a provisional license after requesting ID. It's a government issued identity document that requires several pieces of seperate identifying documents, including a birth certificate.

Anybody refusing a provisional license is either mentally deficient or being a cvnt , unless of course you've made a really dodgy looking piece of green folded paper using photoshop and your home printer

cpb

Hopefully will be at HRTA tomorrow (first visit) do you want me to print a few copies of the application form to leave there.

Gatling

on one of the above posts it states that a team member is a serving GARDA and some of us are concerned about use of information,
come on, what has that got to do with it,most ordinary people arent concerned about some one serving there COUNTRY ,

it sounds like a minority have something to hide,already people are trying to throw spanners in the IAA works ,protection of data act and civil liberities my ass
,
as for asking about criminal records ,if you work in the security industry your checked for criminal records ,finance records for any debts,and social welfare to prove your who you say you are ,
its a sport if u have some thing to hide then it mightnt be the sport for you ,
or some people have other reasons for owning AIRSOFT equipment

CrazyRabbit

Gatling wrote:

on one of the above posts it states that a team member is a serving GARDA and some of us are concerned about use of information,
come on, what has that got to do with it,most ordinary people arent concerned about some one serving there COUNTRY ,

it sounds like a minority have something to hide,already people are trying to throw spanners in the IAA works ,protection of data act and civil liberities my ass
,
as for asking about criminal records ,if you work in the security industry your checked for criminal records ,finance records for any debts,and social welfare to prove your who you say you are ,
its a sport if u have some thing to hide then it mightnt be the sport for you ,
or some people have other reasons for owning AIRSOFT equipment

That's a bit unfair. If any group is asking for personal details or information about your possible criminal record, then I think it's only reasonable for some questions to pop up. It doesn't mean anyone has anything to hide. It's just some of us are more paranoid than others about handing over details.

iceage

I seem to have opened a can of worms i think, and caused some doubts as to the reasons for these questions, but still feel that they are valid questions which have received (i think) the right answers, as to the rest of you, hope i haven't caused offence( gatling i may have barked at you):D

Gatling

firstly i apologise to anyone ive offended,im sorry.

but what im trying to say is ,if the IAA can show that they are taking the whole AIRSOFT sport seriously ,with all bullet proof paper work there stands a chance at some stage the sport may become reconised country wide with proper clubs and facilitys ,like the VCR in the UK ,as nobody wants the sport to be driven underground ,the whole debate as to who has access to certain information ,can go either way ,im worried myself but at the end of the day its about mutual trust ,the IAA wants to take AIRSOFT foreward ,at the moment we exist cause of a loophole that can be closed with out warning no nothing ,then we all become labled criminals in possesion of firearms ,try tell that to a future employer ,as i said in a previous post regadind the IAA if we as awhole can put our best foot foreward and show that we are a responseable group of people the possiblties are endless ,
as for people have some thing to hide ,if the GARDA want information on a member of a club of group a warrent is required ,they have to produce evidence the the information they seek will lead to a conviction or prvent a future crime for being carried out , what would people prefer a mass raid on skirmish site arresting everybody in site with a AIRSOFT,its going to be a little give and take ,once the IAA is fully up and running im sure they will look at what can and need to be done to safe guard AIRSOFT and more importantly MEMBERS, once again i apologise if ive offended anybody

Gatling

ICEAGE you said it all in your pm its about transperency on both sides ,sent you an apology in pm,

iceage

just back, had a chinese:D aagghh much better now, hey gatling alls cool man, as you said lets all keep talking, thats what its all about

IRISH RAIL

now can i get something straight
in the form it askes have you been convicted of an offence
do you have to tell what the offence is ?
if i was done for drink driving would it make a difference just cause i said yes?

Gatling

hmmm you should check with the lads from IAA on that one , most motoring offences are usally condidered low on the pecking order,best check with lads

CrazyRabbit

IRISH RAIL wrote:

now can i get something straight
in the form it askes have you been convicted of an offence
do you have to tell what the offence is ?
if i was done for drink driving would it make a difference just cause i said yes?

I wonder if anyone has been done for violent assault?

Any armed robbers here?

liamo333

Emmmmmmm.............No

Spitfire666

in relation to what you can and cannot ask somebody, anyone can ask anybody anything they like. it doesnt mean you'll get an answer but the thing is that you cant base something purely on some of those answers. for example you could not hire somebody in a shop over somebody as qualified based on them having a conviction.

Hivemind187

Spitfire666 wrote:

in relation to what you can and cannot ask somebody, anyone can ask anybody anything they like. it doesnt mean you'll get an answer but the thing is that you cant base something purely on some of those answers. for example you could not hire somebody in a shop over somebody as qualified based on them having a conviction.

You can if they are being hired into a security position and they have a criminal record.

Did you not have to answer a bunch of questions regarding whether or not you have ever been convicted when you joined the Gardai?

Hivemind187

IRISH RAIL wrote:

now can i get something straight
in the form it askes have you been convicted of an offence
do you have to tell what the offence is ?
if i was done for drink driving would it make a difference just cause i said yes?

If it is a criminal offense then yes.

If you have been convicted of a civil offense then no.

IRISH RAIL

can anyone define this more for me maybe im not being specific enough
the form asks have i been convicted of an offence but it doesnt ask me what offence,
no this is where it gets tricky leaving out the whole civil criminal thing.

do you want to know what offence or just have i been convicted of an offence

will i be tared with a brush cause i said yes?
if i didnt pay my tv licence can i join ?
now i know thats a bit much but does anyone see my point?

Hivemind187

IRISH RAIL wrote:

can anyone define this more for me maybe im not being specific enough
the form asks have i been convicted of an offence but it doesnt ask me what offence,
no this is where it gets tricky leaving out the whole civil criminal thing.

do you want to know what offence or just have i been convicted of an offence

will i be tared with a brush cause i said yes?
if i didnt pay my tv licence can i join ?
now i know thats a bit much but does anyone see my point?

Calm down will you?

If you were covicted of shoplifting a GI Joe we dont care.

If you were done for running down little old ladies with your car while high on crank then we do care.

The word was omitted, just pretend its there.

Boston

People are obsessing about this

1) If you've been convicted of a criminal offense you'll know it. If you have to ask you probably weren't.

2) I'm uncertain what purpose the answer of the questions will be put to. I presume applications will not be rejected bases on a yes answer.

3) Presently you can play the sport perfectly fine without being in anyway associated with the IAA. People are talking about the form as if they have no choice in filling it out.

4) The question is being asked to cover the IAAs collective ass (not thats theres any problem with that) and as such fill it in how you like (yes/no/None of your business) the important thing is that they asked and it demonstrates that they took steps, your answer is no doubt secondary.

iceage

nicely put boston, (again sorry guys i'm the suspicous minded paranoid who kicked this all off):o I put the question to hivemind, and recieved an adequate answer, guys relax...so anyway, any airsoft lately?

Evolute

CrazyRabbit wrote:

That's a bit unfair. If any group is asking for personal details or information about your possible criminal record, then I think it's only reasonable for some questions to pop up. It doesn't mean anyone has anything to hide. It's just some of us are more paranoid than others about handing over details.

Seriously paranoid about what ronan nicking ur identity come on man ur just being picky at this stage ur either in or ur out stop moaning and figure it out.

IRISH RAIL

Boston wrote:

People are obsessing about this

1) If you've been convicted of a criminal offense you'll know it. If you have to ask you probably weren't.

2) I'm uncertain what purpose the answer of the questions will be put to. I presume applications will not be rejected bases on a yes answer.

3) Presently you can play the sport perfectly fine without being in anyway associated with the IAA. People are talking about the form as if they have no choice in filling it out.

4) The question is being asked to cover the IAAs collective ass (not thats theres any problem with that) and as such fill it in how you like (yes/no/None of your business) the important thing is that they asked and it demonstrates that they took steps, your answer is no doubt secondary.

that answers it perfectly for me
sorry to cause a fuss i just wanted to get that straight
ps im not a drunk driver and i do have a tv licence

Hivemind187

IRISH RAIL wrote:

that answers it perfectly for me
sorry to cause a fuss i just wanted to get that straight
ps im not a drunk driver and i do have a tv licence

Not a drunk driver = Glad to hear it.

Pay your TV license = Save your money for airsoft

CrazyRabbit

Evolute wrote:

Seriously paranoid about what ronan nicking ur identity come on man ur just being picky at this stage ur either in or ur out stop moaning and figure it out.

I am NOT moaning. Just posted a valid question and got a good answer from Hivermind.

If the IAA wants to be seen as a legitimate, professional organisation, then it has do certain things. Knowing and trusting everyone on the IAA commitee just isn't enough I'm afraid. They need an official and legally binding policy on Data Protection.

I've seen how people's personal information can be misused. I'm not suggesting the IAA would misuse the information, but if it was not kept secure, then it could be stolen and then misused.

If ANY organisation wants to store personal details about people (regardless of the criminal record question), then I think it's only fair to want assurances that that information would kept private AND secure.

I am not doing this to cause problems for the IAA and I certainly don't want any arguments. In fact, I'm thrilled that there will finally be members of the IAA. Then we can have elections and the IAA will formally come into existence as a true representative body.

Just to cover the IAA's ass, I think they should publish what their policy is on data protection. Who will have access to the information, and for what reasons? Will it just be the Gardai? Will they need a warrant? What about media organisations? Is the data stored securely?

All valid questions that the IAA need to make a statement about on their website, again, just to cover themselves. Everyone who signs up needs to do so with eyes wide open so to speak. This will prevent possible problems or even legal action in the future.

As for myself, I don't have criminal record, but I am very picky about who knows where I live. I used to live near a nutcase of a neighbour in Glasnevin who swore to make my life hell if he found out where my new address was (I posted about him before...some of you might remember) There is also a drug dealer that went to prison for 2 years in part because I testified against him. I'd rather he not know where I live now.

No arguements here. People are free to give their information to whomever they want. I'm just offering advice and I hope it comes across in a friendly manner as intended.

Evolute

CrazyRabbit wrote:

I am NOT moaning. Just posted a valid question and got a good answer from Hivermind.

If the IAA wants to be seen as a legitimate, professional organisation, then it has do certain things. Knowing and trusting everyone on the IAA commitee just isn't enough I'm afraid. They need an official and legally binding policy on Data Protection.

I've seen how people's personal information can be misused. I'm not suggesting the IAA would misuse the information, but if it was not kept secure, then it could be stolen and then misused.

If ANY organisation wants to store personal details about people (regardless of the criminal record question), then I think it's only fair to want assurances that that information would kept private AND secure.

I am not doing this to cause problems for the IAA and I certainly don't want any arguments. In fact, I'm thrilled that there will finally be members of the IAA. Then we can have elections and the IAA will formally come into existence as a true representative body.

Just to cover the IAA's ass, I think they should publish what their policy is on data protection. Who will have access to the information, and for what reasons? Will it just be the Gardai? Will they need a warrant? What about media organisations? Is the data stored securely?

All valid questions that the IAA need to make a statement about on their website, again, just to cover themselves. Everyone who signs up needs to do so with eyes wide open so to speak. This will prevent possible problems or even legal action in the future.

As for myself, I don't have criminal record, but I am very picky about who knows where I live. I used to live near a nutcase of a neighbour in Glasnevin who swore to make my life hell if he found out where my new address was (I posted about him before...some of you might remember) There is also a drug dealer that went to prison for 2 years in part because I testified against him. I'd rather he not know where I live now.

No arguements here. People are free to give their information to whomever they want. I'm just offering advice and I hope it comes across in a friendly manner as intended.

Only the guards would be able to see any personal details and to be honest man you would argue over the legalities of a bloody kevlar teacosy if it sparked an arguement. Of course the information will be secured properly or else it would not be asked for come on man bit of common sense it wouldnt be asked for with out a way of it being secure.

Hivemind187

CrazyRabbit wrote:

I am NOT moaning. Just posted a valid question and got a good answer from Hivermind.

If the IAA wants to be seen as a legitimate, professional organisation, then it has do certain things. Knowing and trusting everyone on the IAA commitee just isn't enough I'm afraid. They need an official and legally binding policy on Data Protection.

I've seen how people's personal information can be misused. I'm not suggesting the IAA would misuse the information, but if it was not kept secure, then it could be stolen and then misused.

If ANY organisation wants to store personal details about people (regardless of the criminal record question), then I think it's only fair to want assurances that that information would kept private AND secure.

I am not doing this to cause problems for the IAA and I certainly don't want any arguments. In fact, I'm thrilled that there will finally be members of the IAA. Then we can have elections and the IAA will formally come into existence as a true representative body.

Just to cover the IAA's ass, I think they should publish what their policy is on data protection. Who will have access to the information, and for what reasons? Will it just be the Gardai? Will they need a warrant? What about media organisations? Is the data stored securely?

All valid questions that the IAA need to make a statement about on their website, again, just to cover themselves. Everyone who signs up needs to do so with eyes wide open so to speak. This will prevent possible problems or even legal action in the future.

As for myself, I don't have criminal record, but I am very picky about who knows where I live. I used to live near a nutcase of a neighbour in Glasnevin who swore to make my life hell if he found out where my new address was (I posted about him before...some of you might remember) There is also a drug dealer that went to prison for 2 years in part because I testified against him. I'd rather he not know where I live now.

No arguements here. People are free to give their information to whomever they want. I'm just offering advice and I hope it comes across in a friendly manner as intended.

Unfortunately, considering your past comments on the IAA it comes across as being obstructive.

Crazy, you know full well that the information is being keep for very straight forward reasons;

1) So we know who the hell members actually are and that they have only one membership per person.

2) So that we can prove that we actually have members should the need arise.

3) So that we are able to show that we are a self regulating and responsible sport dedicated to safety and proper use of equipment above all else.

If you really think that I am going to hand you information to "drug dealers" or implied "crazy neighbors" then dont bother signing up. If you think that I am harvesting your details to sell to third party marketing groups then dont sign up. If you think I am going to steal your identity then dont sign up.

The data protection act is being complied with to the best of our ability and the information is being kept safe. No phishing ninjas are going to storm my place and steal your details so they can sign you up to book-of-the-month clubs.

The information, as I have already stated, is going to be made available to the IAA alone at first and then to various official bodies and concerned groups as and when the need arises and only on a need to know basis. Cops, customs, retailers and venues, thats it and at varying levels of information (ie a retailer doesnt need to see your phone number or length of time with the IAA only that you are approved to buy, for example).

At the end of the day Crazy, as much as you think you are helping (and I appreciate that you think you are), you are only casting unnecessary doubt and spreading confusion to people. We are working our asses off to get this going and you are only making our jobs harder and slowing everything down with this stuff.

If you have further questions or you need personal reassurance PM me or one of the others before posting for everyone else to see.

edit:

Actually bar the "criminal question" and a few others you are being asked for EXACTLY the same info you would give on an internet membership form (arguably less secure than our system and how many of those did you fill out?) or applying for an xtra-vision card. Yeesh!

Harekin

Just to break the ice here a little bit I hope you wont be giving my ID to anyone like the Gardai, I look like an angry terrorist in my passport and driving license photos!

CrazyRabbit

Hivemind187 wrote:

Unfortunately, considering your past comments on the IAA it comes across as being obstructive.

Crazy, you know full well that the information is being keep for very straight forward reasons;

1) So we know who the hell members actually are and that they have only one membership per person.

2) So that we can prove that we actually have members should the need arise.

3) So that we are able to show that we are a self regulating and responsible sport dedicated to safety and proper use of equipment above all else.

If you really think that I am going to hand you information to "drug dealers" or implied "crazy neighbors" then dont bother signing up. If you think that I am harvesting your details to sell to third party marketing groups then dont sign up. If you think I am going to steal your identity then dont sign up.

The data protection act is being complied with to the best of our ability and the information is being kept safe. No phishing ninjas are going to storm my place and steal your details so they can sign you up to book-of-the-month clubs.

The information, as I have already stated, is going to be made available to the IAA alone at first and then to various official bodies and concerned groups as and when the need arises and only on a need to know basis. Cops, customs, retailers and venues, thats it and at varying levels of information (ie a retailer doesnt need to see your phone number or length of time with the IAA only that you are approved to buy, for example).

At the end of the day Crazy, as much as you think you are helping (and I appreciate that you think you are), you are only casting unnecessary doubt and spreading confusion to people. We are working our asses off to get this going and you are only making our jobs harder and slowing everything down with this stuff.

If you have further questions or you need personal reassurance PM me or one of the others before posting for everyone else to see.

edit:

Actually bar the "criminal question" and a few others you are being asked for EXACTLY the same info you would give on an internet membership form (arguably less secure than our system and how many of those did you fill out?) or applying for an xtra-vision card. Yeesh!

Points 1,2 & 3 are understood and I wasn't questioning them.

I personally am happy that my information will be stored securely and won't be misused by anyone in the IAA. As an organisation, I just feel it is your best interest to create a privacy policy just like most other organisations that gather information from people.

E.g.
http://www.google.com/privacy.html
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_privacy-outside
http://www.bbc.co.uk/privacy/
etc.

This is to protect the IAA..nothing more. Trust my experience on this. Data protection is something I deal with quite often. I've seen tiny misunderstandings with data protection cost millions in lawsuits. It's best to have a defined policy that states everything you just posted, specifically the part I bolded.

I am not slowing things down or causing confusion. As I said, everyone is free to give their information right now to the IAA. My suggestion does not in any way interfere with that. This thread was creating to clear up any confusion. A privacy policy is there for that exact reason.

Now, to everyone reading this. I am not suggesting that you not sign up. On the contrary, I think everyone should sign up right now.

CrazyRabbit

Evolute wrote:

Only the guards would be able to see any personal details and to be honest man you would argue over the legalities of a bloody kevlar teacosy if it sparked an arguement. Of course the information will be secured properly or else it would not be asked for come on man bit of common sense it wouldnt be asked for with out a way of it being secure.

The only one trying to start an argument here is you.

I made it very clear that I was only offering a suggestion and that it was not an attempt to criticise the IAA. I don't know what your problem is Evolute. Did I shoot you in the head or something?

I am not going to argue with you. If you have a problem with my posts, then bring it up with O1S1N.

Hivemind187

Harekin wrote:

Just to break the ice here a little bit I hope you wont be giving my ID to anyone like the Gardai, I look like an angry terrorist in my passport and driving license photos!

Harekin, I have ben described as looking like a "Eastern European terrorist with an Anne Rice fixation" so I dont think its much of an issue.

Hivemind187

CrazyRabbit wrote:

E.g.
http://www.google.com/privacy.html
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/ua/policy_privacy-outside
http://www.bbc.co.uk/privacy/
etc.



Now, to everyone reading this. I am not suggesting that you not sign up. On the contrary, I think everyone should sign up right now.

Erm Rabbit, those are limiited companies and corporations who are subject to provisions of the Data Protection Act that we are not.

The privacy policy has been made clear and repeating it ad nauseum is not serving any purpose.

As I said before, if you have anything else to add or anything to discuss please, for the love of fook, ask in a PM before posting it will you?

CrazyRabbit

Hivemind187 wrote:

Erm Rabbit, those are limiited companies and corporations who are subject to provisions of the Data Protection Act that we are not.

The privacy policy has been made clear and repeating it ad nauseum is not serving any purpose.

As I said before, if you have anything else to add or anything to discuss please, for the love of fook, ask in a PM before posting it will you?

No need for PM. I'm done. Advice given.

Evolute

CrazyRabbit wrote:

The only one trying to start an argument here is you.

I made it very clear that I was only offering a suggestion and that it was not an attempt to criticise the IAA. I don't know what your problem is Evolute. Did I shoot you in the head or something?

I am not going to argue with you. If you have a problem with my posts, then bring it up with O1S1N.

If your not looking for an arguement then why even ask about it? Your just making more work ontop of a very big load for the I.A.A. You question everything when most things you question have been researched and most likely posted. Beleive me i aint looking for an arguement but come on you didnt even need to ask about anything it would have been answered without ur post.

CrazyRabbit

Evolute wrote:

If your not looking for an arguement then why even ask about it? Your just making more work ontop of a very big load for the I.A.A. You question everything when most things you question have been researched and most likely posted. Beleive me i aint looking for an arguement but come on you didnt even need to ask about anything it would have been answered without ur post.

I posted a suggestion...nothing more. One that Hivemind reviewed and declined, which is fair enough. And in the process he cleared up one or two questions I and maybe others had. I don't see how it adds to the workload of the IAA. (btw guys, if you have too much work, there are plenty of people here who would be happy to help out.)

What's wrong with asking questions anyway? If a group is going to represent a sport I play, then I think it's normal to ask questions to that group, even unpopular ones. Even if it does add to their workload, well, isn't that part of the role of being a representative body? IAA, I assume that you don't mind being asked questions or being given suggestions/advice, right?

I gave advice based on my personal and work experiences. It was advice designed to protect the IAA from what I believe are possible issues later on. It's been declined and Hivemind explained why. That's fair enough, and I'm fine with it.

What I don't understand Evolute, is why you feel the need to come in with your comments accusing me of trying to start an arguement. There was nothing in my comments that would provoke an argument. Hell, I even made it extra clear that I was only offering friendly advice.

If it makes you feel any better, anything I need to say to, or ask of the IAA will be sent in a PM to Hivemind/Oisin/Dave in future. Public posts with questions, suggestions or criticism seem to piss off too many people.

Hivemind187

Oisin, I think the questions have been answered. Can you lock this before it descends any further into a flame war?