Apple Event on Wednesday, most likely new iPods.

Dman001

http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/its-on-apple-event-slated-for-september-5th/
There has been alot of speculation on a Touchscreen iPod and new Nanos. Also the U.K. got Videos on the iTunes store so Ireland may follow soon.

Dman001

Am I the only iPod Fanboy?

pleasant Co.

Maybe if this was news you'd get more replies

I'm kidding, it's just this has been plastered all over the internet, it's funny really how people eat up this news.

It's not like apple are actually going to introduce anything major, just some minor tweaks to their current ipods and touchscreen nano's. Why mess witha winning formula, I think that has been apples moto since 2004.

I will be getting an ipod when it comes out because I need a gapless DAP which is nice and portable, and a 9mm thick 40gb ipod would do nicely, although I may go for the 11mm 80gb model... decisions decisions.... if it is widescreened i'll buy the 80gb version, otherwise I won't be using videos on it.

padi89

Mactard wrote:

I will be getting an ipod when it comes out because I need a gapless DAP which is nice and portable, and a 9mm thick 40gb ipod would do nicely, although I may go for the 11mm 80gb model... decisions decisions.... if it is widescreened i'll buy the 80gb version, otherwise I won't be using videos on it.

Theres already a nice number of hard drive based players around that can do gapless rockboxed.When your talking a difference of 3mm or less your not going to notice it once its in your pocket.

Dman001

Mactard wrote:

Maybe if this was news you'd get more replies

I'm kidding, it's just this has been plastered all over the internet, it's funny really how people eat up this news.

It's not like apple are actually going to introduce anything major, just some minor tweaks to their current ipods and touchscreen nano's. Why mess witha winning formula, I think that has been apples moto since 2004.

I will be getting an ipod when it comes out because I need a gapless DAP which is nice and portable, and a 9mm thick 40gb ipod would do nicely, although I may go for the 11mm 80gb model... decisions decisions.... if it is widescreened i'll buy the 80gb version, otherwise I won't be using videos on it.

So you think there will be a 5.75G iPod?

pleasant Co.

padi89 wrote:

Theres already a nice number of hard drive based players around that can do gapless rockboxed.When your talking a difference of 3mm or less your not going to notice it once its in your pocket.

It's almost as if you think I don't know about rockbox

Sorry to disappoint but I know it all too well, it's on my Sansa right now

But all the HDD based rockboxable daps are too big IMO, which is why I did.t buy any of them before they got rockbox either.

If I was going to get something like the H100/H300, Gigabeat X/F series or Cowon X/M5 then I'd rather stick with my Rio Karma.

And yes, the difference of even 3mm will be noticed, it all adds up at the end of the day, but thanks for trying to do good by Rockbox, keep spreading the word, it's a great FW.

pleasant Co.

Dman001 wrote:

So you think there will be a 5.75G iPod?

No I was just pointing out that apple have never really changed the ipod much over the years, I think the will make the 6g wider and shorter though, they will keep the touch wheel too.

padi89

Mactard wrote:

It's almost as if you think I don't know about rockbox

Sorry to disappoint but I know it all too well, it's on my Sansa right now

But all the HDD based rockboxable daps are too big IMO, which is why I did.t buy any of them before they got rockbox either.

If I was going to get something like the H100/H300, Gigabeat X/F series or Cowon X/M5 then I'd rather stick with my Rio Karma.

And yes, the difference of even 3mm will be noticed, it all adds up at the end of the day, but thanks for trying to do good by Rockbox, keep spreading the word, it's a great FW.

Well i would have assumed from your sig that you knew well about rockbox,in all fairness its not exactly a secret at this stage.I just found it very strange that you would hold out for a gapless HDD DAP for the sake of a couple of mm.In all fairness the iriver h120/140,Cowan X5/L and a few of the ipods are far from big for a HDD player,they slip easily into a jeans pocket and you dont even feel the weight.If you want to go putting covers on them fair enough but on their own they are slick devices.Even the old cassette walkmans were fine for portability, not exactly pocket friendly but portable none the less and we're talking cms here in the size comparison with whats out today.

How is rockbox on the Sansa by the way? I was on the lookout for a flash player and possibly rockboxable.Is it stable, how much impact does it have on the battery performance?
Cheers.

pleasant Co.

padi89 wrote:

Well i would have assumed from your sig that you knew well about rockbox,in all fairness its not exactly a secret at this stage.I just found it very strange that you would hold out for a gapless HDD DAP for the sake of a couple of mm.In all fairness the iriver h120/140,Cowan X5/L and a few of the ipods are far from big for a HDD player,they slip easily into a jeans pocket and you dont even feel the weight.If you want to go putting covers on them fair enough but on their own they are slick devices.Even the old cassette walkmans were fine for portability, not exactly pocket friendly but portable none the less and we're talking cms here in the size comparison with whats out today.

How is rockbox on the Sansa by the way? I was on the lookout for a flash player and possibly rockboxable.Is it stable, how much impact does it have on the battery performance?
Cheers.

Maybe for you dude, but not for me, like maybe it is strange but every MM adds up, like the Creative ZVM felt infinitely bigger than the 5g ipod but they both weighed the same, I guess I just like my music to be as portable as possible and that is one thing Apple get right. As of now my only HDD DAP is the karma (which I will never get rid of ), then it's flash all the way, I have never thought of HDD players as being entirely portable to be honest but that's just me, I'm picky as sin, like right now I'm considering selling my D2 because I think it is just a bit too big, but its 52 hours (45 in practice) has got a hold on me, however the Samsung P2 / Creative Zen are luring me with there great features. Another issue I have with the Rockbox players is that I do not like any of their UI's. The X5 has that annoying joystick, the irivers have buttons, yucky yucky buttons, the only ones I'd consider are the Gigabeats, but they, like the 5g ipod, are severely let down by battery life...

Rockbox on the Sansa is solid as a rock, they've improved on the stock SQ somewhat, nothing major, just some fine tweaking, it's a nice cheap alternative (I got my 2gb model for 25 euro delivered used) I haven't had a chance to test battery life but there's been no real issues so far.

Dman001

Isn't it lovely when a thread about an iPod gets turned into a thread about a Sansa.

pleasant Co.

Dman001 wrote:

Isn't it lovely when a thread about an iPod gets turned into a thread about a Sansa.

Sorry about that dude

padi89

Mactard wrote:

The X5 has that annoying joystick, the irivers have buttons, yucky yucky buttons,

The X5 and the h120 are practically the same,the joystick on the X5 works exactly the same as the joystick/button on the h120.You'll have to agree that tactile functionality is much better than touch sensitive controls,they allow you to use a player blind whereas with touch sensitive controls you have to take it out of your pocket even to simple functions and can be very unresponsive on many players.
I think Apple will have to do alot more than bring out a new product with a few mm shaved off the one it replaces.While it may appeal to the masses "oh look its smaller" they could go on for ages releasing smaller versions without actually addressing the ipods real issues.Even Sony have announced they are phasing out atrac/sonic stage.
A decent battery,gapless,ums and going back to the sq on the first gen shuffle would be huge improvements but its wishful thinking with apple.

pleasant Co.

I do not like buttons / joysticks as the main method of navigating, as I have already said, I'd rather a jog dial or jog wheel or even the click wheel... I have to think that you have not used touch based controls in a long time? because over at dapreview (even here) we get near to no complaints about non responsive touchpads.
I do think the perfect setup for navigation is the rio Karma's wheel and joystick.

You do know the ipod and ZVM use touch controls and tactile buttons right? because from the way you are writing it seems as if you think they are enirely touch based (I would never buy a player that was entirely touch based, unless it had a remote too) And as far as I know there is no HDD DAP currently in production that relies soley on touch controls

I assume by saying "Apple will have to do alot more than bring out a new product with a few mm shaved off the one it replaces" you mean for you to buy it? if not then I don't really understand what your point is.

UMS will never ever happen on the ipod but they do already have gapless playback, unlike iriver, cowon, creative and now possibly sony since they removed atrac and the 60/80gb models had 20 hours of battery which was quite good in my opinion, nothing compared to the X5L but certainly better than most of the competition.


If it seems like I am pro ipod, well I'm not, I'm neutral and have no brand loyalty at all, who ever does what I want gets my money.

Dman001

Its okay. At least someone is using the thread for something. There mustn't be many iPod lovers on Boards.

padi89

Mactard wrote:

I have to think that you have not used touch based controls in a long time? because over at dapreview (even here) we get near to no complaints about non responsive touchpads.
You do know the ipod and ZVM use touch controls and tactile buttons right? because from the way you are writing it seems as if you think they are enirely touch based
I assume by saying "Apple will have to do alot more than bring out a new product with a few mm shaved off the one it replaces" you mean for you to buy it? if not then I don't really understand what your point is.

Cmon now Mactard there is no need to state the obvious to me as to which devices use what controls.I have owned my own fair share of devices from numerous companys and have had hands on experience with friends ones too.
Touch sensitive controls are never as accurate as a button or joystick based controls even by changing the sensitivity.Controlling players that use any touch sensitive controls etc blind is a disaster its just a "cool" gimmick from what i can see.Besides preference,I dont see what the big no no is with using buttons or a joystick,its no different from using a mobile phone.
My point regarding Apple is that they dont exactly move forward any leaps or bounds with any new gen ipod they bring out.They already know the issues people have with their players so instead of addressing these they chose to ignore and go with the "lets make it cooler" sales pitch instead of doing some improvements on the funtionality of the device.If your going for a player because its a few mm's smaller(that was one of your highlighted reasons) than the last one then you'll never be satisfied because it will always be beaten by someone else.
Good luck with it anyway,what ever you buy.

pleasant Co.

padi89 wrote:

Cmon now Mactard there is no need to state the obvious to me as to which devices use what controls.I have owned my own fair share of devices from numerous companys and have had hands on experience with friends ones too.
Touch sensitive controls are never as accurate as a button or joystick based controls even by changing the sensitivity.Controlling players that use any touch sensitive controls etc blind is a disaster its just a "cool" gimmick from what i can see.Besides preference,I dont see what the big no no is with using buttons or a joystick,its no different from using a mobile phone.

Yeah like I said, I wasn't sure from they way you had it writen so I thought better clarify to avoid inaccuracies. But yeah, I do not like buttons for navigating music, that's that really, if my phone played music I'd be sickened by the controls.
I'm still confused by your use of the phrase "touch controls" in relation to blind use. Using my two previous examples of teh ZVM and ipod, neither use touch controls for skipping foward and back, and volume changing on the ipod and zvm is very easy in pocket.
Anyway not likin buttons is my preference, and while you don't see the big no o in it you are not the one buying me the DAP SO i'll buy what I prefer.

My point regarding Apple is that they dont exactly move forward any leaps or bounds with any new gen ipod they bring out.

I know, I said this in my first post dude.

They already know the issues people have with their players so instead of addressing these they chose to ignore and go with the "lets make it cooler" sales pitch instead of doing some improvements on the funtionality of the device

the ratio of people who have issues such as itunes and lack of features is much smaller than the people who don't, so from a business standpoint Apple are going to please who ever is going to give them the most money, it is all business at the end of the day and tha is how it should be seen, it's nothing personal.

If your going for a player because its a few mm's smaller(that was one of your highlighted reasons) than the last one then you'll never be satisfied because it will always be beaten by someone else.

I am admin at DAPreview dude, I buy several DAP's every year and am always upgrading / replacing so it's all good with me.
Just to clarify further, I want the new ipod only if it is slimmer, shorter and has at least 40gb's but my main reason for purchasing it will be gapless playback, which is how this whole discussion got started

p-nut

I had a quick scan through the special event on the apple website and im afraid there is no mention of ipod's on it at all. all just about the computers.

pleasant Co.

p-nut wrote:

I had a quick scan through the special event on the apple website and im afraid there is no mention of ipod's on it at all. all just about the computers.

they never mention the ipods, that's always their big gimmicky surprise

Dman001

p-nut wrote:

I had a quick scan through the special event on the apple website and im afraid there is no mention of ipod's on it at all. all just about the computers.

I think you are looking at the announcement of the Aluminium iMac. New iPods have been rumored all month so chances are it is an iPod event.

Chardee MacDennis

i would be very surprised if the ipod 'touch' doesnt come out. I personally would be delighted with a 32gb iPod Touch!!

Skyuser

The event is being held at BBC Television Centre, London. Rumoured to include downloadable BBC content and details of the european launch of iPhone.

Chardee MacDennis

no its not, it's being held in the moscone centre in san fran unless there is another event...

Dman001

Call_me_al wrote:

i would be very surprised if the ipod 'touch' doesnt come out. I personally would be delighted with a 32gb iPod Touch!!

I would hate if it was flash memory because there is less storage available and it is dearer.

Chardee MacDennis

yup seems no flash drives for ipod touch, apparently we will be looking at 120gb drives tomorrow with the same form factor as the iphone and apprently wifi is a distinct possibility.

nano will be 8gb and 16gb. who knows though we could be way off!!

radiospan

Will this mean a price drop on current iPods? When?

Creamy Goodness

no they normally phase out the old ipod and put the new one in it's place with the same price.

Spud83

plazzTT wrote:

Will this mean a price drop on current iPods? When?

The new iPods will come in it around the price the current ones are. This is normally what apple do. The old ones will be discontinued meaning apple with stop selling them on there sites. But what you will probably see a price drop on the discontinued ones in stores.

radiospan

Hmm ok. I was just on the verge of getting an 80GB video one. Might wait to see the new offers. I presume the new ones will be out in time for Christmas.

pleasant Co.

plazzTT wrote:

Hmm ok. I was just on the verge of getting an 80GB video one. Might wait to see the new offers. I presume the new ones will be out in time for Christmas.

They should be readily available within two weeks (as in in store) sooner than that on line

Spud83

|Cookies wrote:

remeber! starts @ 5PM our time, engadget.com will be putting up a live blog thingy.

I thought it was 6pm our time as its 1pm eastern which is new york time no? They are five ours behind us. Could be wrong

pleasant Co.

|Cookies wrote:

hmm will be interesting to see what storage sizes they offer

if this:

turns out to be true and come in something like 10-15gb ill snap one right up:)

would love to see a touchscreen iPod though..yummy:D

remeber! starts @ 5PM our time, engadget.com will be putting up a live blog thingy.

Minor correction, it's 5pm GMT and due to summer time that makes it 6pm here...the best site to go to would be mac rumours I'd imagine....then again i just don't like engadget

thehomeofDob

Is anyone watching this?

iPod "fatty" nano. 4GB 150, 8GB 200
iPod classic upgraded to 160GB. 80 @ 250, 160 @ 350
iPod touch. iPhone with no phone. 8mm thick, no price yet.

pleasant Co.

yep

cheaper iphone too

but we'll still get raped for prices over here

DMC

Skyuser wrote:

The event is being held at BBC Television Centre, London. Rumoured to include downloadable BBC content and details of the european launch of iPhone.

A little bit correct... its being relayed by Apple to London hacks in BBC TVC Studio 1.

Going back to the device, I feel that they've missed a trick. The Ipod "touch" needed a hard drive, 16GB of flash isn't going to sell, considering it is more expensive that the new 160GB ipod "Classic".

purplegeko

Just saw the photo of the ipod touch. I immediately said i want one but i haven't looked over the specs or the price. But i have to say it does have the wow factor and screams BUY ME (great design). However, it seems to be the iphone without the phone or camera.

pleasant Co.

80gb classic for me

carrotcake

16GB on the iPod touch is WEAK. What's the point in a bigger screen if you can't fit all your music + videos on it? If it was hard drive based then I'd be getting one. Instead I'll be sticking with my trusty 4G.

hshortt

I can also chip in with a yawn of disapointment. Engadget and Gizmodo, in the purest of senses are Apple purists. I was hoping for something a little special in the event and find it a let down and I must add a little too misleading.

Check out the apple.com page for the 'Touch' it's touted as being a widescreen player but then watch the video demo, where it's actually a 4:3 screen that can play widescreen (top and bottom borders). This is, in my opinion is poor.

Being using an archos WIDESCREEN player (16:9) since January and despite it's weight it's an excellent video player for those that want to see the full picture.

Nice try Mr. Jobs, I like some of the features (wifi, web broswer) but come back to me when you've got something that does native widescreen like so many of the shows you are advertising. - Half a picture, tells only half a story.

Toodles,
Howard

faceman

Another thread on this for the apple fans here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055146121

carrotcake

Judging by the screen resolution (320*480), it's neither fullscreen nor widesreen, but rather some sort of bastard hybrid.

hshortt

carrotcake wrote:

Judging by the screen resolution (320*480), it's neither fullscreen nor widesreen, but rather some sort of bastard hybrid.

Noticed that on the spec page too. It's a shame, I wanted to be wooed back to the iPod.

Oh well, maybe next year.

440Hz

Same reactions over here to over on Mac then I see!! Im too confused to pick one, can I have one of each ?

Dman001

Quite disappointing about the memory of the Touch.

eamon234

I'm a big Apple fan but the ringtone idea is so lame - any muppet with half arsed music software can make a ringtone from an MP3 - they want to charge you for it??? The mind boggles. - My Sony Ericsson Phone will just play an MP3 directly as a ringtone anyway and my old Nokia 6230 did as well

coyote6

I just ordered a new Nano "fatboy" today. They seem pretty cool considering they sale for the same price ($149) they were charging for a REFURBISHED 4gb Nano. They dropped the refurbished 4gb down to $129 so for $20 more you get a NEW 4gb Nano with the same memory and video. We'll see.:D

pleasant Co.

carrotcake wrote:

16GB on the iPod touch is WEAK. What's the point in a bigger screen if you can't fit all your music + videos on it? If it was hard drive based then I'd be getting one.

My exact train of thought.

But yeah, I'm impressed with the classic, they're tiny and powerful....

art

The iTouch is absolutely gorgeous though. If you could afford it, it would be nice as a second player, more "stroke-able" type thing Perhaps, putting a HDD into it would have increased size/weight too much to retain it's sleekness.

pleasant Co.

art wrote:

The iTouch is absolutely gorgeous though. If you could afford it, it would be nice as a second player, more "stroke-able" type thing Perhaps, putting a HDD into it would have increased size/weight too much to retain it's sleekness.

No it wouldn't, just look at the classic, it's got an 80gb HDD and it is only 10.5mm thin. Apple did not release it with higher capacity because then they would not sell any ipod classics
I know I am alone here but the ipod touch is ugly in design, but it's gorgeous GUI makes up for that.

carrotcake

Hard drives are larger and heavier than flash chips. I don't know where you got the idea that they're the same size!

art

Mactard wrote:

I know I am alone here but the ipod touch is ugly in design, but it's gorgeous GUI makes up for that.

What makes you say it's ugly? Out of curiosity! Silver and Black, metal and glass, one button, seems very elegant to me ... ?

pleasant Co.

carrotcake wrote:

Hard drives are larger and heavier than flash chips. I don't know where you got the idea that they're the same size!

No sh1t smartass, where did I say they were the same size?, Funking genius!


@art, I'm not quite sure what it is about it, I just do not find the design appealing in anyway, but knowing apple they will refine the design further over the coming years and then I will love it