grants :x

madnirvana

hi just wanted to know; will i be able to get grants because my dad's income is 60000 + ??
but the thing is that i have another brother who will go to university next year and my total expenditure is 13000 per year!! imagine when my brother will come next year my dad cant afford this much even though he is a good tax payer :mad:
dont forget he has to pay the mortgage and his own living expenses.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Time to get a job

I think that income puts him out of the grant bracket but correct me if i'm wrong

btw Are you going into first year?

D. Coughlan

http://www.mygrant.ie/start.html#ril

Think you just miss out, even with the 4 thousand odd extra allowance for two people in the one family going to college,unless you have 8 dependents in your family!

madnirvana

Sean_K wrote:

Time to get a job

I think that income puts him out of the grant bracket but correct me if i'm wrong

btw Are you going into first year?

Yup im going in first year in trinity.
Yah the limit is 53000. DAmn it :mad: TAXES!

PeakOutput

why is YOUR total expenditure 13K???

a year in college should not cost anywhere near that much unless you are paying fees. also YOU should get a job

edit; I also miss out on a grant when i know people whos parent/s earn more than 200K a year but are divorced and therefore are entitled to a grant.

film_gonzo

The whole grants application is fcuking joke.

I'm going to start college this year even though I'm the ripe middle age of 23. Now,I didn't turn 23 till March so I'm not eligable as a mature student so despite living independantly of my parents since I was 17 I'm now suddenly, in the eyes of the government, VERY DEPENDANT on my parents.

Obviously I'm not impressed since my Mam's wage bracket is well above what it's allowed be to recieve the grant. So basically now I have to make do on my savings (which will probably mostly go on fees) and what I can make in a weekend job (which will mostly go on rent, no doubt).

It seems that while the government obviously want trained, educated young people in the workforce they're not too willing to support people who genuinely need the maintence money by using an obviously flawed application scheme.

D. Coughlan

film_gonzo wrote:

The whole grants application is fcuking joke.

I'm going to start college this year even though I'm the ripe middle age of 23. Now,I didn't turn 23 till March so I'm not eligable as a mature student so despite living independantly of my parents since I was 17 I'm now suddenly, in the eyes of the government, VERY DEPENDANT on my parents.

Obviously I'm not impressed since my Mam's wage bracket is well above what it's allowed be to recieve the grant. So basically now I have to make do on my savings (which will probably mostly go on fees) and what I can make in a weekend job (which will mostly go on rent, no doubt).

It seems that while the government obviously want trained, educated young people in the workforce they're not too willing to support people who genuinely need the maintence money by using an obviously flawed application scheme.

I totally agree but if you vote Fianna fail in, you must face the consequences!

But seriously thought there is not much we can do about it, the student's union's are a small lobby group in the eye's of government, they were even talking of bringing back tuition fees, but they would not go that far. I suppose you will just have to try your best to make do, it will be worth it when you have the qualifacation and you are earning big money.

PeakOutput

film_gonzo wrote:

The whole grants application is fcuking joke.

I'm going to start college this year even though I'm the ripe middle age of 23. Now,I didn't turn 23 till March so I'm not eligable as a mature student so despite living independantly of my parents since I was 17 I'm now suddenly, in the eyes of the government, VERY DEPENDANT on my parents.

Obviously I'm not impressed since my Mam's wage bracket is well above what it's allowed be to recieve the grant. So basically now I have to make do on my savings (which will probably mostly go on fees) and what I can make in a weekend job (which will mostly go on rent, no doubt).

It seems that while the government obviously want trained, educated young people in the workforce they're not too willing to support people who genuinely need the maintence money by using an obviously flawed application scheme.

the system is flawed but it is not a joke. the only reason you will need to pay fees is if you have availed of free fees in the past. I do not personally see a problem with people who can afford it supporting/ helping their kids through college. now I am not saying your mother can afford it, i think the pay levels need to be looked at, but for people who can afford it I think they should have to pay it.

PeakOutput

PeakOutput wrote:

the system is flawed but it is not a joke.

I do not personally see a problem with people who can afford it supporting/ helping their kids through college. now I am not saying your mother can afford it, i think the pay levels need to be looked at, but for people who can afford it I think they should have to pay it.

(Emphasis added)

I think his point lies around how he is 23, an adult independent of his parents for nearly 6 years, yet in the eyes of the government he is still dependent on them.

PeakOutput

Myth wrote:

(Emphasis added)

I think his point lies around how he is 23, an adult independent of his parents for nearly 6 years, yet in the eyes of the government he is still dependent on them.

he will always be his parents child regardless of his age

i understand the point he is making and while i see the annoyance( im 21 have been living at home but have been paying full rent and and working full time for 2 years and like him i get nothing) i don't see a fundamental problem. there should be exceptions but as a rule at the moment i think its fine.

AdMMM

My parents are divorced but even though one of them earns more than the limit, I am still entitled to a grant. I guess that's just the way the cookie crumbles but personally I do think the system is a joke and is serious need of reform to cater for the diverse circumstances and situations that applicants are finding themselves in. However in saying that, as long as I'm entitled to a grant, I see no reason why I shouldn't claim what I'm entitled to.

@madnirvana:
While you may not be able to receive a VEC grant, many colleges have their own grants departments whose aim it is to assist students who are finding it difficult to support themselves. While the amount they award you certainly won't cover accommodation, they will often pay for your books and registration fees. However, this varies from college but I would urge you to ask about such a facility upon registration.

madnirvana

@madnirvana:
While you may not be able to receive a VEC grant, many colleges have their own grants departments whose aim it is to assist students who are finding it difficult to support themselves. While the amount they award you certainly won't cover accommodation, they will often pay for your books and registration fees. However, this varies from college but I would urge you to ask about such a facility upon registration.

thanks i will certainly ask about it..IM going to Trinity by the way but they give scholarships to students who got 530+ but i got 480.

PeakOutput

op can you explain to us what your spending so much money on we might be able to help you get the budget down

Coco88

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madnirvana wrote:

hi just wanted to know; will i be able to get grants because my dad's income is 60000 + ??
but the thing is that i have another brother who will go to university next year and my total expenditure is 13000 per year!! imagine when my brother will come next year my dad cant afford this much even though he is a good tax payer :mad:
dont forget he has to pay the mortgage and his own living expenses.

So what was the point of saying this ??? .what do you desire us to do ???? !!! . Some of us are in the identical quandary as you :mad:

PeakOutput

Coco88 wrote:

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So what was the point of saying this ??? .what do you desire us to do ???? !!! . Some of us are in the identical quandary as you :mad:

alot i would imagine, however he asked a question if it annoys you that much dont read the thread

Coco88

PeakOutput wrote:

alot i would imagine, however he asked a question if it annoys you that much dont read the thread

Ok yes the grant system has a major impact on me as well . My dad earns 67,000 a year . And that with out counting my moms salary . And but what I’m trying to express is that next year when I’m going to college I’ll not be capable to claim for a grant too . But still I will not make a big substance of all this . Over that my parents are making to a large amount of money for me to get a grant . All we can do is get our parents to pay for your living fees I’m trying to expression . Its not problematical to grasp. I desire you can comprehend this .

SamHamilton

IM going to Trinity by the way but they give scholarships to students who got 530+ but i got 480.

WHAT!
I don't think that's true although I wish it was. I got 565 and I am going to Trinity. I think you might be confusing it with the 200odd euro book vouchers they give out.
However, I would LOVE to be corrected.:D

PeakOutput

Coco88 wrote:

All we can do is get our parents to pay for your living fees I’m trying to expression .

How do you know his family does not have 8 kids and simply cannot afford to pay for his living(probably away from home) for 8 months?

I am fortunate enough that my parents will pay for my accomadation as long as I dont have to repeat a year and as long as I pay for my day to day living.

Also coco if you are making your parents pay for your accomodation AND your day to day living Id suggest you get of your ass and get a job so you can make a contribution at the very least

Coco88

what course are you studying and where ???

PeakOutput

Coco88 wrote:

what course are you studying and where ???

Are you asking me?

if yes then digital media design in university of limerick

Coco88

PeakOutput wrote:

Are you asking me?

if yes then digital media design in university of limerick

Yes and immediately learn to spell accommodation this way …. Not “accomadation” before you contradict me !!

PeakOutput

Coco88 wrote:

Yes and immediately learn to spell accommodation this way …. Not “accomadation” before you contradict me !!

a bit rich, although i didnt mention it as it is not good form to do so on an internet forum and I assume you are not a native speaker.

Coco88 wrote:

Ok yes the grant system has a major impact on me as well . My dad earns 67,000 a year . And that with out counting my moms salary . And but what I’m trying to express is that next year when I’m going to college I’ll not be capable to claim for a grant too . But still I will not make a big substance of all this . Over that my parents are making to a large amount of money for me to get a grant . All we can do is get our parents to pay for your living fees I’m trying to expression . Its not problematical to grasp. I desire you can comprehend this .

the bottom line is he is entitled to complain about a flawed system

Coco88

PeakOutput wrote:

a bit rich, although i didnt mention it as it is not good form to do so on an internet forum and I assume you are not a native speaker.




the bottom line is he is entitled to complain about a flawed system

What

the bottom line is he is entitled to complain about a flawed system

Gone West

60 grand a year? and you want the grant?
Get real...
13 grand for 2 semesters in college?
Get real...

PeakOutput

FuzzyLogic wrote:

60 grand a year? and you want the grant?

again you dont know his families circumstances so you dont knwo what your talking about

13 grand for 2 semesters in college?
Get real...

more than agree with that though

madnirvana

6500 for tution fees per year
5000+ for accomodation for a year
now living expenses 2000 for a year no way i think i need more than 13K:o

ok my dad earns 70k but after paying taxes it becomes 50-55 or so.
now he has to feed himself, my mom, my brother and my sister who is also studyin in college.. believe its not easy.
Yes i would get a part time job but only in weekends because i would not like working full time.

I get the point => loans.

LegacyUser

where can i get a form to send away for a grant

PeakOutput

madnirvana wrote:

6500 for tution fees per year
5000+ for accomodation for a year
now living expenses 2000 for a year no way i think i need more than 13K:o

ok my dad earns 70k but after paying taxes it becomes 50-55 or so.
now he has to feed himself, my mom, my brother and my sister who is also studyin in college.. believe its not easy.
Yes i would get a part time job but only in weekends because i would not like working full time.

I get the point => loans.

paying tuition fees so you are in a private college so would that not disqualify you from a grant anyway?

and also unless you get a job you are not going to get any sympathy

JBoyle4eva

robdcu wrote:

where can i get a form to send away for a grant

Your local authority (i.e. County/City council). they're phone number for Higher Education should be listed in the phone book.

robdcu

robdcu wrote:

where can i get a form to send away for a grant

Oddly enough, I just discovered today that the Qualifax website has the grant application form online (without the 'SAMPLE' lashed across it), but if you contact your Council/VEC they'll send you out a copy.

PeakOutput wrote:

he will always be his parents child regardless of his age

i understand the point he is making and while i see the annoyance( im 21 have been living at home but have been paying full rent and and working full time for 2 years and like him i get nothing) i don't see a fundamental problem. there should be exceptions but as a rule at the moment i think its fine.

We'll disagree there then. I'd love to see another category created so that students who can prove for the past 3 years, as an example, that they have been supporting themselves can avail of a grant.

PeakOutput

Myth wrote:

We'll disagree there then. I'd love to see another category created so that students who can prove for the past 3 years, as an example, that they have been supporting themselves can avail of a grant.

that is what i meant by an exception. it should not be an age exception though it should be "time under your own steam" if you know what i mean

Ah, I see. Grand so.

Spyral

I go to uni in Wales

I need to pay fees + accommodation + eat

that's a lot

my moms a nurse and my dad is semi retired

the state gives me 750euro. That about covers my travel there and back at the beginning and end of each year.

PM donations please..

so your dad takes in 60000+

DONT WHINE there are people worse off that you.

Spyral

accidental double post.. oh moderator ?

thefinalstage

madnirvana wrote:

6500 for tution fees per year
5000+ for accomodation for a year
now living expenses 2000 for a year no way i think i need more than 13K:o

ok my dad earns 70k but after paying taxes it becomes 50-55 or so.
now he has to feed himself, my mom, my brother and my sister who is also studyin in college.. believe its not easy.
Yes i would get a part time job but only in weekends because i would not like working full time.

I get the point => loans.

Pfft! Its very easy to support a family that size on 55k a year. VERY easy.

carlowboy

Coco88 wrote:

Yes and immediately learn to spell accommodation this way …. Not “accomadation” before you contradict me !!

Well considering your long post beforehand was full of grammatical mistakes because you were trying to use big words, I'd let him away with spelling accommodation wrong just this one time.

PeakOutput

thelastangryman wrote:

Pfft! Its very easy to support a family that size on 55k a year. VERY easy.

your missing the point

it is easy to support a 2 child family with that salary in ONE household. say the op decides to be lazy and wholy unfair and not work this year therefore the parents have to pay 13500 for the college year(college year not calender year)

then next year child number two goes to college and its the same expenditure so now they are paying 27K per college year out of their 55K so they have 28K left............mortgage??? 1,500/month=18K so they have 10K left to run their home / eat / live for the year including paying for their two kids during the summer when they return. all of a sudden 55K is not a huge amount.

Now the main problem here is going to a private college but their would be alot of people who would earn less and still be in the above financial situation without their kids going to private colleges and they would not be getting a grant either

beer4life

So how are the county council vec's generally on late applications?

I might be a few days late with mione, or at leasdt some of the documents rtequired getting stressed to say the least

beer4life

beer4life wrote:

So how are the county council vec's generally on late applications?

I might be a few days late with mione, or at leasdt some of the documents rtequired getting stressed to say the least

I know some last year accepted them up 'til Christmas. But I have heard stories of some VECs not answering the phones for grants after the 31st of August. Check with them first.

I'd love to hear from the Councils the % of late applications they receive per year.

AdMMM

Coco88 wrote:

Ok yes the grant system has a major impact on me as well . My dad earns 67,000 a year . And that with out counting my moms salary . And but what I’m trying to express is that next year when I’m going to college I’ll not be capable to claim for a grant too . But still I will not make a big substance of all this . Over that my parents are making to a large amount of money for me to get a grant . All we can do is get our parents to pay for your living fees I’m trying to expression . Its not problematical to grasp. I desire you can comprehend this .

Regarding your suggestion that your parents pay for your living expenses, bear in mind that some parents insist on their child contributing a certain percentage towards your college expenses while others may cut their children off from support thinking that it's better for them to find their own way in the big bad world. Basically what I'm saying is that some people aren't lucky enough to have their parents pay their way and increasing numbers of familiaes from the new middle class are struggling to send their children through college thanks to high living costs and the expectation to maintain a certain standard of living.

IM going to Trinity by the way but they give scholarships to students who got 530+ but i got 480.

Unfortunately, TCD do not offer such scholarships;

TCD.ie wrote:

Entrance Exhibitions are awarded to Junior Freshman (first year) new entrants on the basis of performance in public examinations.

An Entrance Exhibition is worth books to the value of €254 divided over the first and second years of attendance.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

OP could work his/her ass off and get second year schols (free accomodation+tuition+food for 5 years) that might take the strain off for the future. No easy task however

film_gonzo

Myth wrote:

. I'd love to see another category created so that students who can prove for the past 3 years, as an example, that they have been supporting themselves can avail of a grant.

That's EXACTLY what I said to somebody when I found out about it. I do understand that it's possible for families to support their children on a salary over 55K but not in all circumstances. And that's where I feel the problem lies with the granst application. It's too general. Every applicant has different criteria but the form doesn't seem to reflect this too much.

Of course that still doesn't take from my previous point, I'm NOT dependant on my parents in any sense of the word. I pay my own way in this world and that's the way I like it. And now that I wanna further my education the government don't wanna support me.

I'll survive even if they don't but it would have helped. Alot! Now I'll probably have to borrow to keep myself afloat. And that ain't a situation I wanted to be in.

Gone West

PeakOutput wrote:

again you dont know his families circumstances so you dont knwo what your talking about

3 kids and 70 grand a year and expecting a grant based on no other merit other than your dad has a mortgage to pay and a small family to support is laughable.
Also, you dont have fees generally when you are on the grant.

College is tough financially on most people, deal with it. Usually people on the grant can't rely on their parents much for financial support, and have to work as well to put themselves through college. Don't be lazy

PeakOutput

FuzzyLogic wrote:

3 kids and 70 grand a year and expecting a grant based on no other merit other than your dad has a mortgage to pay and a small family to support is laughable.
Also, you dont have fees generally when you are on the grant.

he is going to a rivate college so he has fees regardless(this is his mistake though)

he could have only 3 kids but the father and mother could be only children and have 2 parents each dependant on them or in nursing homes. it is quite possible. the point is you and i do not know.

i do agree the op should work at least saturday and sunday to pay for their own living there is no excuse not to.