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What next for the Dubs?

  • 27-08-2007 2:33pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭


    Ok, where do other Dubs see the team going from here? Time is certainly running out for a number of our key players and we still seem to be missing that important final touch needed to beat the bigger teams? Generally, what needs to be done? What does the future hold for us?

    PS. Please only post mature comments and not stupid ones. If you want to have a stab at the Dubs, go to one of the Under 10`s threads talking puke at the moment here.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    And can we not combine this with the other 4 or 5 dubs threads going on, what next "What will the Dubs have for Breakfast" FFS


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    What in gods name are you going on about?? If you dont want to read them, then dont read them. Its that simple. How about talking about your county? Doesnt seem to be something your interested in.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Im on about this GAA board turning into a Dublin board!!

    Dublin Kerry Photos
    We are Dublin, we are proud.
    Dublin forwards play as a team or individuals?
    Dublin Vs Kerry
    Is dublin behaviour in matches going to far
    What next for the Dubs?

    Why ever 5 minutes is there now a new thread for "Dublin go to the Zoo", "Dublin see Barney"

    Combine the bleeding threads, its quite simply really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    yop wrote:
    And can we not combine this with the other 4 or 5 dubs threads going on, what next "What will the Dubs have for Breakfast" FFS


    Good man, the OP asks for
    PS. Please only post mature comments and not stupid ones. If you want to have a stab at the Dubs, go to one of the Under 10`s threads talking puke at the moment here.
    and you wade right in. Nice...

    OP, I don't think we have a bad team. I think our defence is young and improving - Ross McConnell impressed me yesterday and will only get better. Corner backs could mark tighter but that has to be drilled into them. Half back line is good, sure Cullen could be more defensive but that would rob us of the momentum he creates going forward.
    Midfield was great, hopefully Whelan will stay for another year. Just like Kerry and Dara O'Se, if Whelan retired we'd be in trouble. Ryan was magnificent yesterday, he will surely be a big force next year.
    Forwards individually are great players but they need to practise more together, finding each other with passes when they are better placed, taking your score when its on and retaining possession when its not, in general just playing more for the team and less for oneself.
    Subswise we need to find a few more players who can come in and do a job. Cosgrove hasn't done it since 02/03. Magee is not good enough. Bonner and Mossy should improve. Need more cover in the backs.
    This team is good enough to go all the way if they just improve a couple of percent. Hope to God they last that long.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Dublin Kerry Photos - Thats about some photos of a game. You cant be that ......
    We Are Dublin, We are proud - Locked cos of people like you.
    Dublin forwards play as a team or individuals? - About Dublin, dont like it? Dont read it!
    Dublin Vs Kerry - About a GAA match. On a GAA forum. Thats what your meant to be here for right?
    Is dublin behaviour in matches going to far? - Set up by non-Dubs to whinge.
    What next for the Dubs? - For a discussion completely valid to the board and to the current time.

    Ill also point you to this:
    Please only post mature comments and not stupid ones. If you want to have a stab at the Dubs, go to one of the Under 10`s threads talking puke at the moment here.

    Looks like some people cant help themselves tho. Go talk rubbish in one of the other threads you pointed out above.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    The problem lies with the backs. If I remember right the half-back line conceded 1-8 from play yesterday which just isn't good enough. Scoring 16 points should be good enough to win a Gaelic Football match. Notice that when we were under serious pressure at the back Pillar made no changes from the bench, reason being there simply wasn't anyone to bring on. The management team need to have a look around the county and find some backs we can bring through.

    Personally I think Pillar has made some bad tactical decisions of late. The two switches he made yesterday were very poor. Cosgrove had hardly kicked a ball in the Championship and Jayo was doing ok. Bernard Brogan was having an excellent game and he was taken off also. All throughout the Championship Pillar has been guilty of making too many changes in the forwards which has disrupted the side. This morning I was thinking that a change in management might be needed but if Pillar does stay on then he will have my 100% backing. The team has improved under his guidance but have we gone as far as he can take us? If he does stay then he needs to use his subs bench better than he has been doing.

    Finally we need to make sure Jayo and Whelan don't hang up their boots.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Good man, the OP asks for and you wade right in. Nice...

    OP, I don't think we have a bad team. I think our defence is young and improving - Ross McConnell impressed me yesterday and will only get better. Corner backs could mark tighter but that has to be drilled into them. Half back line is good, sure Cullen could be more defensive but that would rob us of the momentum he creates going forward.
    Midfield was great, hopefully Whelan will stay for another year. Just like Kerry and Dara O'Se, if Whelan retired we'd be in trouble. Ryan was magnificent yesterday, he will surely be a big force next year.
    Forwards individually are great players but they need to practise more together, finding each other with passes when they are better placed, taking your score when its on and retaining possession when its not, in general just playing more for the team and less for oneself.
    Subswise we need to find a few more players who can come in and do a job. Cosgrove hasn't done it since 02/03. Magee is not good enough. Bonner and Mossy should improve. Need more cover in the backs.
    This team is good enough to go all the way if they just improve a couple of percent. Hope to God they last that long.
    I think it is a huge problem with the backs being simply too loose and the forwards not moving enough. Kerry walked right through the half back line on many occasions and as have others this year. I think that needs to be attended to. Forwards need to move better and make themselves available. Too often we end up with wayward passes or kicking 50/50 balls as there is nobody available and looking for it. Midfield, i think Whelan will stay for another year but when he eventually does call it a day, he will be hard to replace.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,325 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    I think our defence is young and improving - Ross McConnell impressed me yesterday and will only get better. Corner backs could mark tighter but that has to be drilled into them. Half back line is good, sure Cullen could be more defensive but that would rob us of the momentum he creates going forward.

    I disagree about the backs. McConnell has been a good find but the marking has been terrible, mainly the half back line. Griffin and Henry are fine. Cullen had a very poor Championship giving his man acres of space. We need to find some players to bring in to at least have on the bench. When things go tits up like they did yesterday we have no options to change it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,018 ✭✭✭✭jank


    If they cut out the ****e and not bow into the pressure of the media they will go all the way in the next year or 2. However, it will get harder as other teams are going to improve much quicker, like laois and meath, never mind the Ulster teams


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Unfortunately its near impossible for them to ignore the media at this stage. They should stop all the interviews, documentaries and all that anyway as it will obviously just increase the attention around them but the constant coverage in the tabloids and national papers will not stop. Whenever we do win the AI, you can imagine how much worse it is going to get!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭Trampas


    A problem also could be the time and effort it takes to be a county player.

    I am sure there is players out there who are good enough to play for Dublin but they either can't afford it to take time off work as bills need to be paid or also could have family commitments due to kids that they can't give the time to train especially at this time of the year etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Trampas wrote:
    A problem also could be the time and effort it takes to be a county player.

    I am sure there is players out there who are good enough to play for Dublin but they either can't afford it to take time off work as bills need to be paid or also could have family commitments due to kids that they can't give the time to train especially at this time of the year etc.

    And do people in Kerry not have bills and family commitments????:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    And do people in Kerry not have bills and family commitments????:confused:
    They do. Can we keep this on topic please?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭Trampas


    And do people in Kerry not have bills and family commitments????:confused:

    The thread is about Dublin not the other 31 counties


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭meathman 007


    Trampas wrote:
    A problem also could be the time and effort it takes to be a county player.

    I am sure there is players out there who are good enough to play for Dublin but they either can't afford it to take time off work as bills need to be paid or also could have family commitments due to kids that they can't give the time to train especially at this time of the year etc.
    what an absolute joke of a post, so its only players in dublin that have this problem? just a typical post from a dub who for some reason thinks your county is superior to the rest of the country


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Here we go, knew people like you meathman couldnt stop that urge to jump in and throw this off topic. You could for the last week tho but funny you come out of hiding when Dublin get beaten.

    Also, where did he say it was only Dublin players?? He is saying that it happens in Dublin and is probably correct. If you want to troll, go to a different post please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Trampas wrote:
    The thread is about Dublin not the other 31 counties

    But you've made a statement about bills and family commitments like these things are exclusive to Dublin or something


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Jesus, this really is pathetic! Where did he say it was exclusive to Dublin???? For once, keep a thread ontrack and stop looking for arguements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    Nalced_irl wrote:
    Jesus, this really is pathetic! Where did he say it was exclusive to Dublin???? For once, keep a thread ontrack and stop looking for arguements.
    in the original post actually - that is Dublin in the second sentence no??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9



    OP, I don't think we have a bad team. I think our defence is young and improving - Ross McConnell impressed me yesterday and will only get better. Corner backs could mark tighter but that has to be drilled into them. Half back line is good, sure Cullen could be more defensive but that would rob us of the momentum he creates going forward.
    Midfield was great, hopefully Whelan will stay for another year. Just like Kerry and Dara O'Se, if Whelan retired we'd be in trouble. Ryan was magnificent yesterday, he will surely be a big force next year.
    Forwards individually are great players but they need to practise more together, finding each other with passes when they are better placed, taking your score when its on and retaining possession when its not, in general just playing more for the team and less for oneself.
    Subswise we need to find a few more players who can come in and do a job. Cosgrove hasn't done it since 02/03. Magee is not good enough. Bonner and Mossy should improve. Need more cover in the backs.
    This team is good enough to go all the way if they just improve a couple of percent. Hope to God they last that long.

    Forwards where good this year, Vaughan and Bernard Brogan stepped up to the mark, Vaughan even if only as a Free taker generally. Keaney and Alan Brogan are marked men and come up against the best defenders. Brogan did quite well getting 3 points from play. Maybe more from play from Vaughan. The goals dried up against Kerry and Derry as well which is a worry.

    Couldn't understand taking Brogan off but did understand Jayo, wasn't much in the game. Pillar seen the game going away from them and needed changes. It's the quality of the bench that is a problem.

    Defence needs to tighten up. 1-13 from play for Kerry, must have been 12/13 points against Derry. McConnell will improve but if your defence is conceding that much regularly your forwards have to be on fire and scoring goals. Cullen scored 2 points yesterday and had plenty of runs and you need that as well. Maybe better decision making would help from him or try and turn him into a Dooher type player. Blanket defence wouldn't suit your forwards, you don't have a McDonnell or O'Neill type player more fast and mobile forwards.

    You's need one more good year from Whelan but definitely a replacement being found in the next year or two is essential.

    The other problem and every county has it, is there are probably 4/5 teams next year who will be AI contenders and another 5/6 who could get to a SF. It's very open.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭meathman 007


    Nalced_irl wrote:
    Jesus, this really is pathetic! Where did he say it was exclusive to Dublin???? For once, keep a thread ontrack and stop looking for arguements.
    you said it, pathetic - the superior attitude of some of the dubs on here is unreal... cant wait for blackbelt to come on and give us another autobiographical post and flukey to spout his usual rubbish about how he is so proud of this dublin team - i for one would not be proud of that dublin team and there antics. The sick thing about it is, that ive worked with 2 of dublins starting 15 and they are nice guys - but when they put of that dub jersey they act like a bunch of spoilt children and act like a bunch of animals....... ive no doubt that caffrey is responsible for a lot of it


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    in the original post actually - that is Dublin in the second sentence no??

    Tut tut, lads ye really should be not in here, its not that its a free forum to post, come on now, follow me here to the official U10 thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055141383


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    It is, well spotted, where is the word exclusively???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Meathman, i remember you whinging and complaining about a Meath thread that blackbelt commented on this year. Now your doing it accept his point was actually relevant to the Meath post at the time. Your blatent trolling here is pathetic. Newsflash for you, no-one on this thread wants to hear your whinging about things that have nothing to do with you. Please just go to another thread if you want to troll.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    yop wrote:
    Tut tut, lads ye really should be not in here, its not that its a free forum to post, come on now, follow me here to the official U10 thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055141383
    More blatent trolling. Hopefully a few bans will be handed out here. No go away.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Nalced_irl wrote:
    More blatent trolling. Hopefully a few bans will be handed out here. No go away.

    Bans for what??? People were trying to make a point on a post about how hard it was for Dublin players with families etc, so this now leads to a ban?

    Are you a mod now or something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭meathman 007


    Nalced_irl wrote:
    Meathman, i remember you whinging and complaining about a Meath thread that blackbelt commented on this year. Now your doing it accept his point was actually relevant to the Meath post at the time. Your blatent trolling here is pathetic. Newsflash for you, no-one on this thread wants to hear your whinging about things that have nothing to do with you. Please just go to another thread if you want to troll.
    you like the word troll dont you....... dublin have brought the gaa down a long way in the past 3 years with there behaviour - it really is hilarious that you use words like whinging and so on - what exactly have i got to whinge about - dublin got what they deserved yesterday and suffered another 'glorious failure' as o'rourke put it...... so funny when you think about it - goading a kerry player who has multiple all ireland medals in his pocket..... i genunily belive pillar and his team are 100% responsible for this and should be driven from the gaa


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Play football and leave the circus to the clowns.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    yop wrote:
    Bans for what??? People were trying to make a point on a post about how hard it was for Dublin players with families etc, so this now leads to a ban?

    Are you a mod now or something?
    no, im not a mod. Are you a GAA fan now or something? His point was about Dublin, on a Dublin thread. Your points are trolls, simple as that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    you like the word troll dont you....... dublin have brought the gaa down a long way in the past 3 years with there behaviour - it really is hilarious that you use words like whinging and so on - what exactly have i got to whinge about - dublin got what they deserved yesterday and suffered another 'glorious failure' as o'rourke put it...... so funny when you think about it - goading a kerry player who has multiple all ireland medals in his pocket..... i genunily belive pillar and his team are 100% responsible for this and should be driven from the gaa
    Trolling is what your doing. I am talking about your whinging in the Meath thread a while back. I know another person who should be driven out of GAA, initials are GG, but you cant see the pure filth he has gotten away with on the pitch eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Seanies32 wrote:
    Forwards where good this year, Vaughan and Bernard Brogan stepped up to the mark, Vaughan even if only as a Free taker generally. Keaney and Alan Brogan are marked men and come up against the best defenders. Brogan did quite well getting 3 points from play. Maybe more from play from Vaughan. The goals dried up against Kerry and Derry as well which is a worry.

    Couldn't understand taking Brogan off but did understand Jayo, wasn't much in the game. Pillar seen the game going away from them and needed changes. It's the quality of the bench that is a problem.

    Defence needs to tighten up. 1-13 from play for Kerry, must have been 12/13 points against Derry. McConnell will improve but if your defence is conceding that much regularly your forwards have to be on fire and scoring goals. Cullen scored 2 points yesterday and had plenty of runs and you need that as well. Maybe better decision making would help from him or try and turn him into a Dooher type player. Blanket defence wouldn't suit your forwards, you don't have a McDonnell or O'Neill type player more fast and mobile forwards.

    You's need one more good year from Whelan but definitely a replacement being found in the next year or two is essential.

    The other problem and every county has it, is there are probably 4/5 teams next year who will be AI contenders and another 5/6 who could get to a SF. It's very open.

    Some good points there. Yes Vaughan and Bernard Brogan certainly stepped up to the mark this year, although I thought Vaughan was poor from play yesterday. Certainly agree defence needs to tighten up more, but they're mostly young players and that will come with experience. McConnell will certainly be solid next year.
    Midfield is a worry, we rely too much on Whelan. If/when he retires, or if he gets injured, we have no one nearly good enough to come in.

    Re next years contenders - Kerry, Cork, Dublin, Meath, Derry. Can't see AI winners coming from outside that group. Don't know about 5/6 others who could realistically make a SF - Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, can't really see any others. Kerry will probably lose O'Se next year, maybe MF Russell but no one else, their new defenders this year will be more experienced and attack will be just as deadly, will just depend on their hunger and midfield replacement.


    PS lads, lets stick to the topic and ignore the trolls. Let them post away, and only reply to the posts on the topic. They'll soon tire of trolling if no one takes the bait...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 797 ✭✭✭meathman 007


    Some good points there. Yes Vaughan and Bernard Brogan certainly stepped up to the mark this year, although I thought Vaughan was poor from play yesterday. Certainly agree defence needs to tighten up more, but they're mostly young players and that will come with experience. McConnell will certainly be solid next year.
    Midfield is a worry, we rely too much on Whelan. If/when he retires, or if he gets injured, we have no one nearly good enough to come in.

    Re next years contenders - Kerry, Cork, Dublin, Meath, Derry. Can't see AI winners coming from outside that group. Don't know about 5/6 others who could realistically make a SF - Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, can't really see any others. Kerry will probably lose O'Se next year, maybe MF Russell but no one else, their new defenders this year will be more experienced and attack will be just as deadly, will just depend on their hunger and midfield replacement.
    kerry are head and shoulders above every team in the country - they skill level is at least 30% bigger than any other county at the minute


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Some good points there. Yes Vaughan and Bernard Brogan certainly stepped up to the mark this year, although I thought Vaughan was poor from play yesterday. Certainly agree defence needs to tighten up more, but they're mostly young players and that will come with experience. McConnell will certainly be solid next year.
    Midfield is a worry, we rely too much on Whelan. If/when he retires, or if he gets injured, we have no one nearly good enough to come in.

    Re next years contenders - Kerry, Cork, Dublin, Meath, Derry. Can't see AI winners coming from outside that group. Don't know about 5/6 others who could realistically make a SF - Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, can't really see any others. Kerry will probably lose O'Se next year, maybe MF Russell but no one else, their new defenders this year will be more experienced and attack will be just as deadly, will just depend on their hunger and midfield replacement.


    PS lads, lets stick to the topic and ignore the trolls. Let them post away, and only reply to the posts on the topic. They'll soon tire of trolling if no one takes the bait...
    That is the main thing about the defence. They are very young and so will only get better over time. The only thing is, they may grow into better players too late, after Whelan retires (who we really do rely on too much, agreed fully on that) and another few who are getting on also. For next year i think the contenders are Dublin (depending on whether Whelan is still around and the backs improve), Kerry (always up there), Derry (again, need to improve but are certainly getting there), Tyrone (injuries have done them last 2 years, very threatening when at full strength tho) and a few that could shock but not likely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    yop and meathman. post on this thread again and you will be banned


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Cheers Ruggiebear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Re next years contenders - Kerry, Cork, Dublin, Meath, Derry. Can't see AI winners coming from outside that group. Don't know about 5/6 others who could realistically make a SF - Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal, can't really see any others. Kerry will probably lose O'Se next year, maybe MF Russell but no one else, their new defenders this year will be more experienced and attack will be just as deadly, will just depend on their hunger and midfield replacement.

    Meath is too early yet to put down as contenders. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt before the Cork match but that put them back. Though of course that could work for them next year, revenge and all that. Derry, need to believe more and they have lost their last 2 Ulster Semis when they where favourites.

    Tyrone if they get Mulligan and O'Neill back on form will be contenders. They would have beaten Meath if they where. Not moaning that they should have, just something to bear in mind for next year.

    Derry are good enough for a Semi, like Donegal and Monaghan. Armagh too, if they get Clarke back and on form with McDonnell. Mayo could get to a Semi next year if they get things right and win Connacht. Meath are good enough for Semis as well.

    PS lads, lets stick to the topic and ignore the trolls. Let them post away, and only reply to the posts on the topic. They'll soon tire of trolling if no one takes the bait...

    Best post on the GAA threads all day. Can be hard at times but we can't have a proper discussion here unless we do. I Don't post in the Thunderdome!

    Amazing how many new names on here after Dublin get beat.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Het-Field


    Very little needs to be done. I think that the team on the pitch is good enough, however, I would advocate certain changes.

    Firstly I would Dump Casey. His selection is unjustifiable. As Griffin can play on the right and the left, I would consider him a proper replacement. I would put Stephan O Shaughnessy at left back. I would put Barry Cahill at Centre Half Back, with Ger Brennan at Left Half. Finally I would return Cullen to the forward line. Other than that, I would continue with the team of today, with a few little ajustments

    Cluxton

    Henry
    McConnell
    OShaughnessy

    Griffin
    Cahill
    Brennan

    Whelan
    Ryan

    B.Brogan
    Cullen
    Quinn

    A.Brogan
    Keaney
    Vaughan



    Dublin have a very young team, and have lots of legs in it yet. Its amazing how people have been willing to say how Meath will develop, and Kerry took their foot off the pedal yesterday, and Derry Missed the goal chances, and never give Dublin any Credit. By implication, the title of this thread indicates that this is the end of the road for the dubs who were hammered by Kerry yesterday, and lucky to overcome Derry.

    Dublin are by far the strrongest team in Leinster, and if the Dubs continue at the same level of performance, they will walk Leinster next year, and will seriously contend for Sam Maguire. Last year it looked all over, this year Im far more optimistic. We have the players, and if we get it together, next year will be Dublin's year


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    I dont mean it in a way that its the end of the road, but something needs to change i feel. I dont think the changes would need to be huge, but just to get that finishing touch i suppose. Small things mainly in defence that are costing us at the moment and also up front.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭One Cold Hand


    I agree with a lot of what you say het-field, especially pushing Cullen forward. I think defence is the main problem, particularly the half backs. Cullen doesn't do good enough of a job there in my opinion. I think the full back line is good enough, I know Griff struggled on Cooper, but most people do. McConnell can do a job at full back and he young and is learning. In the half backs I'd certainly bring Brennan, I like him a lot, and think he could add to the team. Also agree with Cahill in the centre. I'd like to see a few players in the half backs who drive forward ala Tomas O'Se or Davey Harte. I think when you have players like this who can weigh in with points it's a huge addition to the team.

    Colly to be dropped and have Cullen in the half forwards. We saw yesterday how Cullen took 2 good points when he pushed forward. I agree that we don't need to make too many changes. The one thing they need to work on is how to compete for a whole game and not in patches. I've no idea how they'd practice this mind you, I suppose it just comes with experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,311 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Het-Field wrote:
    Its amazing how people have been willing to say how Meath will develop, and Kerry took their foot off the pedal yesterday, and Derry Missed the goal chances, and never give Dublin any Credit. By implication, the title of this thread indicates that this is the end of the road for the dubs who were hammered by Kerry yesterday, and lucky to overcome Derry.

    Dublin are by far the strrongest team in Leinster, and if the Dubs continue at the same level of performance, they will walk Leinster next year, and will seriously contend for Sam Maguire. Last year it looked all over, this year Im far more optimistic. We have the players, and if we get it together, next year will be Dublin's year

    Always laugh at that one. Kerry or whoever took their foot of the pedal. No team just says here's the ball, go score. Quality teams in the last 8 especially will have their periods of domination.

    Dublin are better than last year. They didn't implode like against Mayo, this year.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,987 ✭✭✭Trampas


    The reason I mentioned Dublin and not the other 31 counties is because the subject is "What next for the Dubs"

    I did not intend to say the other countries dont have the same problems but since the heading for the thread is Dublin thats why I said Dublin and not the other counties.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Trampas wrote:
    The reason I mentioned Dublin and not the other 31 counties is because the subject is "What next for the Dubs"

    I did not intend to say the other countries dont have the same problems but since the heading for the thread is Dublin thats why I said Dublin and not the other counties.

    I think what people are getting at (or should be getting at) is that the problem you highlighted is a GAA wide issue of the balance between it being an amateur sport and the far far higher level of fitness expected these days. It's just that because it's a Dublin thread some people get childish etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    absolutely nesf, i wanted this thread to stay mature and for once discuss a current issue with a major GAA team, but unfortunately some people have to have their stab and bring it down to a primary school kids arguement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Nalced_irl wrote:
    absolutely nesf, i wanted this thread to stay mature and for once discuss a current issue with a major GAA team, but unfortunately some people have to have their stab and bring it down to a primary school kids arguement.

    You might have better success if you took present problems for the Dubs and phrased them as general GAA problems. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    I think that works the other way around tho :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Laganeer


    Is it the end for Jayo, Whelan and Mossie Quinn?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Only Jayo id say. He probably could go for one more but it may be pushing it and he would spend most of it on the bench at this stage id say. Still, he has been a great servant to us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Laganeer


    Could still be a 'super-sub' for you-any young players coming through?-I think you're only a good, prolific full-forward away from moving on to the next level. Meath over-achieved this year and will sink back to their natural level next year. Up North, Monaghan will go well and I think this Tyrone team will push hard for a final All-Ireland. Sad to say, Down have made a fatal mistake in reappointing Ross Carr and more hard times lie ahead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 864 ✭✭✭Aedh Baclamh


    That signature might need changing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭Nalced_irl


    Ah, in a week or so. ;)


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