New vodafone data add on

16hill16

Ooops !! Sorry for the bum steer ,
just got off the phone to vodafone and finally got talking to some one who appears to know what he was on about ( took 3 attempts incl people in data support ) this add on ONLY works thru Live! apn
not thru the hs /vodafone.isp.ie ,
they reserve the right to restrict VOIP etc and can't guarantee if vnc , ftp, streaming etc will work, he does reckon email, https should work.

Was told yesterday by customer service that it was Totally unrestricted and would work thru hs /vodafone.isp.ie.
Looks like back to me business works data add on ( 50MB for 9.99 a month)



fyi just saw this on breaking news
Vodafone launches mobile internet service

From tomorrow Vodafone's 3G and 2.5G customers will be able to surf the web for a fee of 99 cent per day or €9.99 per month subject to "fair usage" price caps.

With the new system, entitled Mobile Internet, users will have access to popular websites such as Google, MySpace, eBay and YouTube on their mobile phones. The new system allows for the compression and rearranging of web content in order to make it mobile phone-friendly.

Carolan Lennon, consumer director of Vodafone Ireland said today in a statement: "Vodafone Mobile Internet will revolutionise the way our customers experience the Internet."

"We looked at the best on the web and we have signed up global partnerships with our customers' favourite internet sites to give them a unique Mobile Internet experience.":mad: :mad: :mad:

talkingclock

see http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055139537

rc28

Interesting, this is what i've been waiting for (about to switch to 3) from vodafone. i wonder what their "fair usage policy" would mean, eg 2GB like 3 and their "unlimited" addon.

GUIGuy

Well it says its another partnership deal and that they have reformated for the mobile space. So that probably means that providers such as Google YouTube etc have some financial deal with Voda. So I think it may be another walled garden (well maybe a walled valley!) Still better than nothin'

nazoil

old news
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20551379023
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055127375
http://www.vodafone.ie/livepricing/index.jsp

BUT apparently you can't use for AFT, Opera Mini, Gmail etc

This new pricing represents a massive price increase - Connect to Vodafone live page by pressing the wrong button and you're hit for 15cent.

quintron

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53803866&postcount=11

this "new" vodafone offer is a regressive joke.
its not a data add on if you can't access the data you want!!!

mkennedy

quintron wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53803866&postcount=11

this "new" vodafone offer is a regressive joke.
its not a data add on if you can't access the data you want!!!

This is what i fear as well.

I thought the 9.99 add-on was a decent option until i heard all this.

Vodafone's CURRENT data add-ons are admittedly small but at least you can use them properly e.g for pop email etc.

I fear though vf might be "doing a three" with this more generous offer and piling on a heap of caveats to use it.

Anyone know what you can and can't use with these new add-ons.

digitalsnap

It's very disappointing to read that the 500MB option cannot be used outside of Live! pages/for 'normal' internet usage.

I have a N95 and want to get a data add on but the existing 15 and 25MB options are quite small and are also overpriced in my opinion. The €75 for 500MB data option is just too crazy for me to even think about. Have there been any rumours, etc that the data add on options may change anytime soon?

GekkePrutser

16hill16 wrote:

fyi just saw this on breaking news
The new system allows for the compression and rearranging of web content in order to make it mobile phone-friendly.

Sounds very much like 3's awful proxy that is now thankfully history. Though I don't think Vodafone could screw that up as badly as 3 could, it still makes the service pretty useless.

rc28

nazoil wrote:

old news
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=20551379023
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055127375
http://www.vodafone.ie/livepricing/index.jsp

BUT apparently you can't use for AFT, Opera Mini, Gmail etc

This new pricing represents a massive price increase - Connect to Vodafone live page by pressing the wrong button and you're hit for 15cent.

Thanks for letting us know- that's really sh*te! All i'd be using is opera and is that's not allowed it would be useless, for a minute I thought vodafone might be getting a tiny bit better but obviously not. I've made up my mind and I'm switching to 3.

foobar

nazoil wrote:

old news
BUT apparently you can't use for AFT, Opera Mini, Gmail etc .

where does it say that ?

arch_stanton

I called today and specifically asked if I could use it to visit regular websites outside of live and the guy I spoke to said yes.

In the Vodafone UK description for what seems to be the same product give or take some pricing and limit differences and it looks like there is no restriction on what sites you can visit. O2 (Movistar) in spain also have a 99c a day deal and they insist you use a Movistar branded version of operamini.

I'm on pre-pay so I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow to see how far I can get for 99c.

Random

arch_stanton wrote:

I called today and specifically asked if I could use it to visit regular websites outside of live and the guy I spoke to said yes.

In the Vodafone UK description for what seems to be the same product give or take some pricing and limit differences and it looks like there is no restriction on what sites you can visit. O2 (Movistar) in spain also have a 99c a day deal and they insist you use a Movistar branded version of operamini.

I'm on pre-pay so I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow to see how far I can get for 99c.

Do report back!

nazoil

arch_stanton wrote:

I called today and specifically asked if I could use it to visit regular websites outside of live and the guy I spoke to said yes.

In the Vodafone UK description for what seems to be the same product give or take some pricing and limit differences and it looks like there is no restriction on what sites you can visit. O2 (Movistar) in spain also have a 99c a day deal and they insist you use a Movistar branded version of operamini.

I'm on pre-pay so I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow to see how far I can get for 99c.

vodafone uk terms & conditions wrote:

The £1 per day charge and monthly web browsing pack cannot be used for Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services such as Skype or Peer-to-Peer services (such as instant messenger services, text messaging clients or file sharing). These services will not count towards the £1 per day charge or monthly pack, and are charged separately at £2 per MB, with a 5p minimum charge for each data session.

okay so you may be able to visit various sites with your phone browser, but it WOULD seem that messenger, aft, gmail, opera mini, email on your phone are no-nos

quintron

arch_stanton wrote:

I called today and specifically asked if I could use it to visit regular websites outside of live and the guy I spoke to said yes.

Interesting. The three representives (one was a floor manager) I spoke to, including another person that left me a voicemail (which I still have incidently), told me unequivocally that my data requests, specifically pop/smtp access, web access from 3rd party applications (e.g. Gmail, Fring, Resco News, Worldmate et al) and virtually anything outside Vodafones live portal other sites or browsers) were NOT included. She was making herself very clear.

I spoke for about 15 minutes with the floor manager and, at the end of it all, she insisted that I needed use the GPRS add on for €75 + VAT if I wanted to avail of the above types of service.

I told her that I thought that was pretty mad price for data in this day and age and that I thought that this was finally a step in the right direction for Vodafone especially since another operator had opened up the playing field by offering unlimited (unbridled) data at an affordable and usable price (finally), and she replied by saying that my requests were more "business orientated" and that this new add on was geared specifically toward the "youth/entertainment" market via the Vodafone portal.

I would urge others to question the exact remit of this new data add on by calling Vodafone customer care and ask them directly.
It is early days and the person I spoke with could have been wrong (I bloddy hope so!) but she certainly seemed adamant.

arch_stanton

Quintron, your sources certainly sound convincing but I hope they are misinformed. As I said earlier, the best way to find out for sure is to give it a spin. Tomorrow morning on the bus to work I´ll reset my phone data counter, do some opera browsing and see if it uses 99c of credit or breaks the bank. I´ll post the results here.

More info on the UK version in this Guardian article (official newspaper of Jason Bourne)

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2096912,00.html

quintron

I'll wait and see. Vodafone UK and Vodafone IRL are essentially two different companies with different data plans, tariffs and marketing strategies. While it would be nice if they were the same I wouldn't bank on it being so just yet.

GUIGuy

Obviously Vodafone Ireland have their own marketing strategy! :rolleyes:

arch_stanton

Well I've tried it out. When I first connected to Vodafone Live I got a message telling me the tariffs had changed. I´ve now downloaded 875k from various Live sites, ordinary websites including boards.ie, checked my mail with the gmail app and searched for directions with the google maps app.

I'm on prepay and my credit dropped 99c and has stayed that way. When I text surf to 50233 it now tells me I have 49.38mb left today.

The bad news is I can´t get operamini or operamini beta to connect now. They both fail during the network tests. I'll play some more with the settings and see what happens.

quintron

Did anyone else bother to phone and ask Vodafone customer care straight up what the add-on parameters were???


Cheers for the update Arch.

sunbeam

A month ago Vodafone customer care told me that the new add-ons would work with Opera Mini using the Vodafone ISP. I forgot all about this until today and have just rang Data Services who told me told me that they will not.

I'm still on one of the old business tariffs -100mb for €40 ex vat. I'll try setting up Opera Mini to connect via Vodafone Live using my old prepay sim later and see what happens.

Jonnie_Onion

I'm very unhappy about this. My kingdom for anyone who can get Opera mini working!

16hill16

fyi
here's a response i received from customer care this morning
Apologies if this is old news to some

Please find below some information regarding the Mobile internet
bundle on vodafone live

Can I use Skype?
A new version of Skype has just been released and it is currently
unclear as to whether is can be used on mobile internet. It is likely
that the user experience will be extremely poor

Can I bank on-line? Buy a book on Amazon? Can I book and pay for a
flight on Ryanair and Aer Lingus?
Yes. Your phone must support 'https' and have a fully featured web
browser that does not adapt content. These handsets (at launch) are:
Nokia E50, E61, E65, N73, N91, N95, 6680 and 6630

Can I watch video or listen to radio clips on rte.ie?
No - the phone must have Flash and an RSS reader and no phone in our
range has these.

Can I access the Vodafone Ireland website?
Yes, you can access the WAP version - wap.vodafone.ie

Can I buy a phone on wap.vodafone.ie?
No.

Can you download music from a website - eg iTunes etc?
No. This functionality is currently only available on PCs.

Can you access Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo email etc?
Yes

Can I watch video or listen to radio clips on rte.ie
No - the phone must have Flash and an RSS reader and no phone in our
range has these

Can I access the Vodafone Ireland website?
Yes, you can access the WAP version - wap.vodafone.ie

Can you download music from a website, eg iTunes etc?
No. This functionality is currently only available on PCs.

Can you access Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo email etc?
Yes

GekkePrutser

I just gave it a quick try but connecting through the APN live.vodafone.com seems to give the same results as before: Only works through their wap proxy, I don't get direct IP connections to anything.

Edit: This is Vodafone prepay by the way...

quintron

If you have the add-on and a symbian handset, can you check your email using the built in email client?

GekkePrutser

No, that didn't work for me... (Nokia E60, IMAP)

By the way, I don't have any add-on... I think this new live tariff is standard for everyone now.

Unfortunately I'll still have to go with 3 for my mobile internet access for the time being So I have to keep messing with 2 phones because I've had my vodafone number for years.

I was really hoping they'd finally wake up to the fact that it's not just businesses that want real data services on their mobile.

quintron

^ Tragic. They don't even have a decent business data service!! I called asking about the 50MB for 9.99 that OP suggests but was told it doesn't exist?? The best was when I asked about roaming and was told that one option was to get an add on which charged you €14.52 as soon as you initiated a data connection (eg check your mail) then you had 50MB to use within 24 hours.
I asked what if you accidentally went over the 24 hours, next day say.. guess what.... its another €14.52.
I then asked, "How can I monitor this?".
The reply. "You Can't".
"Why?"
"Thats just the way it is.."

Another option is to pay €5 a MB while roaming.

There was more but I didn't have the heart to continue the conversation.

We are getting shafted in this country. Its criminal.

16hill16

Quintron
I'm on perfect fit 400
when I log in to their web site and go to " price plans" & click on "Add ons"
I get these options at the bottom of the screen ( see attached file)
which after MUCH discussion with vodafone , they confirmed them as being the following options ( exactly as per the Business Works price plan)
# email access (10MB) with Vodafone Business Email
# internet access (50MB) using your 3G mobile as a modem

The difference being if you go with Business works you get both options and it costs (79 ex Vat) 95.59 incl Vat

BTW my 9.99 was VAT exclusive 12.08 incl vat, (will stick with Vat incl prices to avoid further confusion) and was for the second option above.

NOW, my sudden interest in all of this is due to my recent purchase of an N95.
I am still waiting for this add on to be added to my price plan at my next billing date, I got what I stated above off of a supervisor ( eventually) so I believe it. However as always seeing is believing, my fingers are crossed that i have been informed correctly , this time .
hope this is clear and helps!

GUIGuy

Anyone notice that Vodafone UK are updating their network to 7.2 Mbps download & 1.44Mbps upload? Will be in Belfast by Q4. Wonder when we'll see it.

sunbeam

Ok, I went to Tools/Settings/Network setup on both Opera Mini 3 and the new beta, ran the setup tests again choosing Vodafone Live as my connection and this seems to be working now on my N73.

I presume the data is still coming out of my existing 100mb add on, so I'll have to wait until I can put some credit into ye olde prepay phone and see if it works on that.

quintron

16hill16 wrote:

Quintron
I'm on perfect fit 400
when I log in to their web site and go to " price plans" & click on "Add ons"
I get these options at the bottom of the screen ( see attached file)
which after MUCH discussion with vodafone , they confirmed them as being the following options ( exactly as per the Business Works price plan)
# email access (10MB) with Vodafone Business Email
# internet access (50MB) using your 3G mobile as a modem

The difference being if you go with Business works you get both options and it costs (79 ex Vat) 95.59 incl Vat

BTW my 9.99 was VAT exclusive 12.08 incl vat, (will stick with Vat incl prices to avoid further confusion) and was for the second option above.

NOW, my sudden interest in all of this is due to my recent purchase of an N95.
I am still waiting for this add on to be added to my price plan at my next billing date, I got what I stated above off of a supervisor ( eventually) so I believe it. However as always seeing is believing, my fingers are crossed that i have been informed correctly , this time .
hope this is clear and helps!

Cheers h16. I think its only available on PF400 where as we are on a company plan and it is not available!

sirlinux

Just tried now, using live.vodafone.com as the apn, and 10.24.59.100 port 80 as a proxy, getting web access (and https) no problem on windows mobile, active sync works, and google maps works fine, now to see what comes up on the bill............. Am i reading http://www.vodafone.ie/livepricing/index.jsp correct

What is the charge when I'm roaming?
The service is the same price when roaming abroad as at home and will be accessible from any country where we have a 3G or GPRS roaming agreement.

The service will be accessible from any country where we have a 3G or GPRS roaming agreement.


Is roaming included? for 9.99 a month i have access while roaming?

GekkePrutser

sirlinux wrote:

Just tried now, using live.vodafone.com as the apn, and 10.24.59.100 port 80 as a proxy, getting web access (and https) no problem on windows mobile, active sync works, and google maps works fine, now to see what comes up on the bill.............

Is that on ready to go? I'm still not getting anything if I connect, tried changing the proxy settings to the ones you use (I had different ones) but still no luck..

arch_stanton

sirlinux wrote:

Is roaming included? for 9.99 a month i have access while roaming?

I'm on prepay and roaming in Spain. Actually I bought an Irish SIM last time I was home specifically because Vodafone Spain don't offer this locally yet for my contract.

I've downloaded 1.5 MB so far today and I've paid only 99c so it looks like roaming works nicely.

quintron

What have you downloaded? Just data thru the portal or data by any other means outside of the portal...

sirlinux

GekkePrutser wrote:

Is that on ready to go? I'm still not getting anything if I connect, tried changing the proxy settings to the ones you use (I had different ones) but still no luck..

Thats on billpay. working ok, seem to be able to download stuff ok, just got a 800k cab file, havent tried anything massive yet.

arch_stanton

I've just been browsing with the standard browser and used the gmail and google maps app. I don't have anything more exotic on my phone.

Arathorn

Hey guys i'm a bit confused with all this, could someone give a brief summary of what has changed, what can/cant be used.

I use opera mini on vodafone isp and its still working the same now. Whats the difference between using the isp and live anyway?

smartypants

isp is charged at €2 per Mb. while the live.vodafone.com apn is charged at the new 99c wap tarriff rates. id assume you could use the live apn with opera if the browser allowed you to configure the proxy but it doesnt.

elderlemon

Well I am on a (old) family plan and its available for me.

quintron wrote:

Cheers h16. I think its only available on PF400 where as we are on a company plan and it is not available!

mkennedy

smartypants wrote:

isp is charged at €2 per Mb. while the live.vodafone.com apn is charged at the new 99c wap tarriff rates. id assume you could use the live apn with opera if the browser allowed you to configure the proxy but it doesnt.

So where would windows mobile apps like outlook mobile and pocket Internet Explorer mobile stand in all of this.

I've always used isp.vodadone.ie for these in the past.
(not sure what other apn they can use).

Are you saying you're charged €2 per mb if you use isp.vodafone.ie with these..

smartypants

Vodafone has adopted a sliding scale for GPRS data charges — for very light users (less than 5MByte a month) it costs EUR2 per Mbyte

btw the cap of 5Mb is no longer in place, its 2euro a Mb regardless

source http://www.techcentral.ie/articles/xml_techcentral_april01/pchome/wireless_mobile/wireless_wheres_it_at/view

for some reason the data charges arent explained well on vodafone homepage.

mkennedy wrote:

So where would windows mobile apps like outlook mobile and pocket Internet Explorer mobile stand in all of this.
QUOTE]

depends on the protocol, do they retrieve the data only through HTTP gets? im not sure. if the answer is Yes it maybe be possible to use the live! APN ive never tried it.



isp and office apns i.e. (isp.vodafone.com and office.vodafone.com ) are charged at €2 euro per Mb. (out of bundle)

live.vodafone.com and wap.vodafone.com are charged at 99c daily (out of bundle)

now when you use apps that require data traffic other that http/s they connect through the office/isp apn which are proxyless and dont restrict you to only http pages.

so in theory because the live portal serves HTTP pages you should be able to browse using opera or another browser if the browser has the ability to configure a proxy (which it doesnt well at least the one im using, hence why you cannot use the live.vodafone.com apn for opera)

e.g. people use the connect card to connect through isp.vodafone.com. but in fact you can actually configure the proxy in internet explorer to point to the live proxy 10.24.59.100 and use the live.vodafone.com apn in the card settings (why you would want to do this i dont know but you can to prove it works and also you wont be able to access traffic other than HTTP , such as ftp)

jon1981

smartypants wrote:

btw the cap of 5Mb is no longer in place, its 2euro a Mb regardless

source http://www.techcentral.ie/articles/xml_techcentral_april01/pchome/wireless_mobile/wireless_wheres_it_at/view

for some reason the data charges arent explained well on vodafone homepage.

mkennedy wrote:

So where would windows mobile apps like outlook mobile and pocket Internet Explorer mobile stand in all of this.
QUOTE]

depends on the protocol, do they retrieve the data only through HTTP gets? im not sure. if the answer is Yes it maybe be possible to use the live! APN ive never tried it.



isp and office apns i.e. (isp.vodafone.com and office.vodafone.com ) are charged at €2 euro per Mb. (out of bundle)

live.vodafone.com and wap.vodafone.com are charged at 99c daily (out of bundle)

now when you use apps that require data traffic other that http/s they connect through the office/isp apn which are proxyless and dont restrict you to only http pages.

so in theory because the live portal serves HTTP pages you should be able to browse using opera or another browser if the browser has the ability to configure a proxy (which it doesnt well at least the one im using, hence why you cannot use the live.vodafone.com apn for opera)

e.g. people use the connect card to connect through isp.vodafone.com. but in fact you can actually configure the proxy in internet explorer to point to the live proxy 10.24.59.100 and use the live.vodafone.com apn in the card settings (why you would want to do this i dont know but you can to prove it works and also you wont be able to access traffic other than HTTP , such as ftp)

spot on!

rc28

I'm confused now, can someone summarise all the changes please. Im on RTG and I use opera mini, do the new changes mean i cant use opera mini or am I charged 99cent a day for all data regardless of what application you user that connects to net?

smartypants

rc28 wrote:

I'm confused now, can someone summarise all the changes please. Im on RTG and I use opera mini, do the new changes mean i cant use opera mini or am I charged 99cent a day for all data regardless of what application you user that connects to net?

you can continue to use it as you do now with the isp.vodafone.com apn.
you just will not avail of the new 99c wap tarriff as thats only available through the live.vodafone.com APN and opera does not support it.

FergalBoards.ie

Sorry for the long post...

OK, I think I'm with the plot...

If you use the Voda browser, anything that you access on it is charged under the 99c a day/E9.99 pm scheme.

If you use another browser then you better be sure that it is using the correct connection settings outlined above.

If you are using an application, most likely it will not work under the new scheme and have to go through the ISP.


SO....
tried using IM+ resetting to Vodafone Live, wouldn't connect. Tried using the ISP...it connected. No surprise there. It's a universal instant messenger program for the likes of MSN btw.

Rang Voda, they confirmed that all applications should not use the new service and most likely would not work anyway.

HOWEVER....

Just a minute ago I browsed to Hotmail...NOT the wap version...on my phone. I did this by accident to be honest.

I got this really scary looking notice telling me I was leaving Vodafone Live in a way that suggested it was A Bad Thing.

What's going on there? Have I been charged at the per kilobyte rate for that visit?

Another question....we all have our little hobbies and I would like to use the Nokia Lifeblog thingy. I presume that as this is an application it won't work with the new service, or even if it does...if they "catch" me at it, they'll stop it.

Also I would like to use one of those applications that sends your GPS position to a website so friends know where you are.

Also I would like to use Messenger.

What's the absolute rock bottom cheapest way to accomplish this on Voda. Anyone?

Or should I just go Meteor altogether and have done with this confusion?

Only thing is Meteor are likely to take a long time to catch up with Voda on 3G....

smartypants

FergalBoards.ie wrote:

Sorry for the long post...



Just a minute ago I browsed to Hotmail...NOT the wap version...on my phone. I did this by accident to be honest.

I got this really scary looking notice telling me I was leaving Vodafone Live in a way that suggested it was A Bad Thing.

What's going on there? Have I been charged at the per kilobyte rate for that visit?





Also I would like to use Messenger.

....

all off the above can be accessed through the live.vodafone.com apn at the 99c daily wap tariff rate as its all http traffic

when it says your leaving VF live, it just means your leaving the vodafone content e.g if you happen to browse to google, bbc, msn, its still all charged at the 99c daily rate




i think what people need to understand is that only HTTP type traffic can use the live.vodafone.com portal. so if your app only uses http well then your fine, providing of course you configure the settins correclty for the app.

EVERYTHING else will be isp/office

Arathorn

OK thanks to everyone for trying to explain all this you have done a better job than vodafone have. But to be honest im still unsure on all of this and I think its pretty bad form from vodafone, could be enough to push me to another data friendy operator or at least a more straight forward unrestricted one

P.S If you use 99c a day thats almost 30 quid a month, which is more than a lot of "proper" broadband connections

apollodjs

All was working fine for me all day today until this evening now I can't check any secure site like my online banking etc. also alot of pages are being displayed wired sometimes it just loads all the pictures and no content no mater what I try. Hopefully this is just a minor bug.

quintron

In response to Fergal above, my advice, if you are switching, and want to use Nokia Lifeblog, MSN et al, and if you live in a city, is to switch to 3 and choose either their 100MB (€6), 250MB (€10) or unlimited (€20) data plan.
Honestly, people can say what they like about 3 (including me!!) but, as of now, for a decent, straight up, no bullsh|t data plan, there is no one even close. My opinion is if you want to pay more for your data, go right ahead. Just be aware you are getting seriously ripped off. Even three's current pricing relative to our European counterparts is a rip and thats saying volumes about the blatant pricing of our other Irish networks. It may have been fine in 1999 to charge exorbitant rates for data but its 2007!

culabula

quintron wrote:

In response to Fergal above, my advice, if you are switching, and want to use Nokia Lifeblog, MSN et al, and if you live in a city, is to switch to 3 and choose either their 100MB (€6), 250MB (€10) or unlimited (€20) data plan.
Honestly, people can say what they like about 3 (including me!!) but, as of now, for a decent, straight up, no bullsh|t data plan, there is no one even close. My opinion is if you want to pay more for your data, go right ahead. Just be aware you are getting seriously ripped off. Even three's current pricing relative to our European counterparts is a rip and thats saying volumes about the blatant pricing of our other Irish networks. It may have been fine in 1999 to charge exorbitant rates for data but its 2007!

Have you used data in France....? Now *there's* a rip-off!