Tournament v Cash - where do you fall

Ste05

Following on from the ongoing marathon Tournament v Cash thread, I was just wondering where people fall.

Personally, I quite literally Never play tournaments unless there's a huge overlay or added money that quite literally at least doubles my buy-in effectively. E.g. 5k added to a 100 man $50 tournament.

So what would you consider yourself,

Cash only
Tournament only
Cash mainly but some tournaments
Tournaments mostly but some cash
Both

RoadSweeper

Tournaments mostly but some cash

Used to play STT only and lost every time i dabbed in cash.

Now i mainly play cash but get a hunger for MTT's the odd time like now!

Never play STT's any more.

Ace2007

Cash and tournaments

personally i prefer FO tournaments or the fitz omaha tournament. find holdem cash games - soooooooo boring but omaha cash games are good

so i suppose i'm "Tournaments mostly but some cash"

jbravado

Tournaments only

I literally find tournies unbareable-when I do play them its only because a)Im broke b)decent overlay.

I never understand how people find deep stacked cash games boring.

bops

Atari Jaguar

i'm brill @ both tbh

nicnicnic

Cash and tournaments

bops wrote:

i'm brill @ both tbh

he is

Mr.Plough

Tournaments mostly but some cash

online cash with the occasional live tournament

Chucky the tree

Tournaments only

tournie's put me on tilt.

bops

Atari Jaguar

nicnicnic wrote:

he is

at least you got it

Rb

Tournaments mostly but some cash

~85% cash, ~15% tournaments.

Macspower

Tournaments mostly but some cash

jbravado wrote:

I literally find tournies unbareable-when I do play them its only because a)Im broke b)decent overlay.

I never understand how people find deep stacked cash games boring.

They are never boring with you in them Sam.. :rolleyes:

BTW I'm 95% cash but enjoy a tourney once a week

Hoki

Cash and tournaments

Online tournaments mostly but would play live at least once a week , i do dabble in cash games as well though - live once a week & online every few days

dvdfan

Tournaments only

RoadSweeper wrote:

Used to play STT only and lost every time i dabbed in cash.

Now i mainly play cash but get a hunger for MTT's the odd time like now!

Never play STT's any more.

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phantom_lord

Tournaments only

cash ldo.

actually excluding student games, i don't think i've played more than about 20mtts in my life.

Lafortezza

Tournaments only

Cash for me, I don't have the time to put in the long hours required to go deep in the bigger tournaments. If I did have the time I wouldn't have the concentration to stick to my best game.
Very few of my cash sessions go longer than 90 minutes.

cooker3

Tournaments mostly but some cash

Started off just playing mtt's initially which is how I got my roll online but now I am mainly cash but l do like cheap ass tournaments like student pokersoc or jackpot 20 game just for a bit of a fun.

bohsman

Atari Jaguar

I constantly move from online tournies to online cash to live tournies to live cash as I keep getting burned out at each one within a few days.

bottom feeder

Cash and tournaments

not that im good at either one but i do prefer the tournies...

LuckyLloyd

Cash and tournaments

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El Stuntman

Tournaments mostly but some cash

bottom feeder wrote:

not that im good at either one but i do prefer the tournies...

please read Ste's question more closely, I believe it's highly applicable to you...

cashaments obv.

Hitman Actual

If you've only played about 50 hours this year, can you still vote? And where do you fit?

ollyk1

Atari Jaguar

lenny_leonard wrote:

If you've only played about 50 hours this year, can you still vote? And where do you fit?

a clear case of atari jaguar!! 50 hours isn't long enough to give a meaningful answer!!

Czarina

Cash and tournaments

I play mostly tournaments, I've only played cash games a few times and mostly came out up, problem is I generally don't have enough cash for a decent buy-in!

poorbarman

Cash and tournaments

Definately more tourneys than cash,STTs at the mo but mostly MTTs.I am trying to improve my cash game,being a winning player but dont honestly think i am any good at it:D

5starpool

Atari Jaguar

I play both, but most of my cash play seems to be Omaha, with some 2 card omaha thrown in. I play a good few live tournies as well.

When I bother to play online it is almost always cash, as like Laf I don't play long sessions online. I pay a mix of Omaha and HE, but mostly Omaha online as well.

Tar.Aldarion

Atari Jaguar

Both, soon to be much more cash though.

Tournaments mostly but some cash

Not to make this more complicated than needs be but surely there is another division to be made between online and live games? Online cash and live cash are vastly different as are online and live tourneys. They require a different set of skills surely.

Ste05

Tournaments only

Not really....

Tournaments mostly but some cash

You have to justify that comment Ste05. Online games have almost none of the control or, for want of a better expression, theatric elements of live poker. I know there is going to be almost universal eye rolling here but I refuse to believe you can learn all the nuances of poker from an online game no matter what the stakes. Surely the art in the game comes from the level after knowing the statistics and pot odds?

phantom_lord

Tournaments only

Deleted User wrote:

I refuse to believe you can learn all the nuances of poker from an online game no matter what the stakes.

what? why?

Hectorjelly

well s/he has a point that there are some skills you need to play live that you wouldn't pick up playing live, (the converse is true to a certain extent as well), obviously the rest of what she said is nonsense

jbravado

Tournaments only

of course what kayroo says is true...

phantom_lord

Tournaments only

Hectorjelly wrote:

well s/he has a point that there are some skills you need to play live that you wouldn't pick up playing live, (the converse is true to a certain extent as well), obviously the rest of what she said is nonsense

there's not really that much tho is there, how to handle chips, not be a complete tell bag, and be able to pay attention to how people eat their oreos?

AKQJ10

Tournaments mostly but some cash

atm the games are getting very deep live which i suppose is another thing you wont get as much of online. avg stack being 300BB. i dont play much online but can you buy in for more than 100BB on any site.

Hectorjelly

phantom_lord wrote:

there's not really that much tho is there, how to handle chips, not be a complete tell bag, and be able to pay attention to how people eat their oreos?

nearly every time I play live I end up throwing a chip in of the wrong domination and either minraising or making a massive overbet!

phantom_lord

Tournaments only

noob!

ocallagh

Atari Jaguar

Hectorjelly wrote:

nearly every time I play live I end up throwing a chip in of the wrong domination and either minraising or making a massive overbet!

I also find when I haven't played live in a few weeks (maybe months) I feel a bit rusty and get quite nervous... and this definitely affects my ability to bluff and play marginal hands properly.

Also PL, I don't know if you play live much, but picking up physical tells is important. It could take years to improve on this...

Tar.Aldarion

Atari Jaguar

Happens, I've bet five times the flop hu cash live against DEment0r by mistake. He drew out on me, guess I deserved it.

Hitman Actual

ocallagh wrote:

Also PL, I don't know if you play live much, but picking up physical tells is important. It could take years to improve on this...

Agreed, but I also think it's something that's very hard to improve if you haven't got a 'knack' for it in the first place. It's a bit like being able to 'read' the game in sport; some people have it, while others will never get it.

LuckyLloyd

Cash and tournaments

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Tar.Aldarion

Atari Jaguar

I was playing with my gf on my bed(poker) and she pointed out something I do so that she knew that I had a big hand. Zomg, she was right. Luckily most people don't get to see my feet when playing.

Mr.Plough

Tournaments mostly but some cash

for me patience is the single biggest asset required in live cash as opposed to online, and its one asset i don't have.

Tournaments mostly but some cash

I'm happy that Hectorjelly hasn't been backed up after calling it nonsense that I thought there was more to live than online poker.

By the way, I am a he, not a she.

Ste05

Tournaments only

OK, how about we put it the other way, apart from handling chips and being able to keep track of what is in the pot and physical tells (which in Live Poker in Ireland aren't really all that necessary IMO).

What do you think makes on-line different to Live to such an extent?? It's the same game beit live or on-line. Tournament v Cash is the main distinction, both are played the same be they Live or on-line. It's just you play a 1/2 Live game the more like the way you would a .25/.50 game on-line because the players are of about that standard usually.

opr

Tournaments mostly but some cash

Ste05 wrote:

It's just you play a 1/2 Live game the more like the way you would a .25/.50 game on-line because the players are of about that standard usually.

When i played live in Dublin the games did not even come close to the standard of .25/.50 online its much closer to 5c/10c

Opr

LuckyLloyd

Cash and tournaments

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jbravado

Tournaments only

Ste05 wrote:

What do you think makes on-line different to Live to such an extent?? .

There are a million differences imo.One that has already been touched on is patience-its V hard to play one hand every five minutes when your used to playing online.

Tells etc has been mentioned but I agree with steo that its not hugely important.

AKQ10 mentioned another pretty important point-ie the deep stacked nature of live cash games at the moment-its pretty common for live games to have multiple players with 500 bb plus if not more.

I think its accepted that a good online player SHOULD be able to win easily playing live(the opposite is not really true) but that ignores the many nuances of live games-on the most basic level tilt/EGO control when sitting beside someone who stinks and who is taking about how (insert random ridiculous statement here).

Totally different disciplines imo-grass court v clay court etc etc.

jbravado

Tournaments only

opr wrote:

When i played live in Dublin the games did not even come close to the standard of .25/.50 online its much closer to 5c/10c

Opr

This type of the thing is thrown around the whole time-imo opinon its pretty much n/a the games are so different.

ocallagh

Atari Jaguar

Ste05 wrote:

OK, how about we put it the other way, apart from handling chips and being able to keep track of what is in the pot and physical tells (which in Live Poker in Ireland aren't really all that necessary IMO).

What do you think makes on-line different to Live to such an extent?? It's the same game beit live or on-line. Tournament v Cash is the main distinction, both are played the same be they Live or on-line. It's just you play a 1/2 Live game the more like the way you would a .25/.50 game on-line because the players are of about that standard usually.

First of all I think there are a lot of Live tells in Dublin!

Secondly, I get a much better feel with live poker. It's not just Live Tells, but also (and more importantly) a good understanding of the table dynamics. Obv sometimes your radar will be off etc, but most of the time I will pick up on subtle things, I'll understand how someone is playing. I'll notice people getting frustrated, people getting bored, (if someone is drunk!!), how much a bad beat affects someone. I also have a much better idea of how others perceive my play which is very important. Online you have no idea if some guy is watching the last episode of Soprano's and hasn't noticed you raise the last 5 hands. In a live game I will be able to see those who have perked up and are looking to play back etc... Also, in the live tournaments, players generally maintain a consistent style. They play their own game pretty much 99% of the time... so once you get to know someones style it's easy to figure them out. Online, players are much quicker to switch styles and go from TAG to maniac back to TAG!

Obv online has other benefits such as access to statistics, spotting betting patterns is easier etc etc..

Ste05

Tournaments only

Well I would put the majority of that down to the fact that you're just playing 1 table and pretty much have nothing else to do between hands but watch the play and pick up reads. Note: I said reads and not tells, because I don't even try to pick up on if someone if tapping their cheek this time, etc. cos I don't know if my "tells" are any use and I made a conscious decision a year or so ago, to just play based on betting patterns etc. just like I would on-line. (Obviously this is not including obvious ones where it's clear someone is about to fold if their cards are halfway into the muck before you act, etc.), but my point is I don't think you need to have tells to beat the Live games in Ireland, and therefore my comment was about them not really mattering, not that they don't exist. I'm sure there are loads of tells, but as I say, I've just decided I don't know if I can't trust mine and so don't bother with them. I wasn't saying they don't exist, just that they are not really that important.

If I play just one table on-line I get really good reads on players pretty quick, although I can't tell if someone is paying attention to the table or watching telly, but I can tell pretty quickly who the idiot is just by watching and who the TAG button whore is, etc.

As for Sam's point about the Grass v Clay metaphor, I suppose it's possibly true, but it's really all just about paying attention to your opponents beit live or on-line. You have to make adjustments for either, but essentially it's the same game, just with lesser players and the odd good one thrown in there for good measure with slightly deeper stacks. But essentially the same.

Ste05

Tournaments only

Also, I love how these threads evolve. To begin with it was Tournament v Cash players duking it out, and now this one looks likely to develop into a Live v On-line scuffle...

Big up for the On-line Cash player posse!!!