EPT Barcelona

Fatboydim

Anyone else going to this?

PPP are paying me in [Fools] And the blog will be live soon. But if any other Irish players are going I'd love to know as I can report on how much better they are doing than me. I'll post details of the blog soon.

ollyk1

Fatboydim wrote:

Anyone else going to this?

PPP are paying me in [Fools] And the blog will be live soon. But if any other Irish players are going I'd love to know as I can report on how much better they are doing than me. I'll post details of the blog soon.

Jammy dodger. WP Len!!

El Stuntman

surely this belongs in the bragging thread?

now take the damn thing down...

smurph

It's a hard aul life Len but someone has to do it..........

TheRock

Fatboydim wrote:

Anyone else going to this?

Heading over with the missus on the Saturday for a bit of a holiday (its just a coincidence the EPT is on honest ).
Planning on playing the Super Sat on the Monday.
Will say hello if I spot you Len.

P.S. I'll gladly were a PPP shirt in the Super Sat if they're feeling generous.

robinlacey

i'll probably be there,i'm going to be in barcelona just before it so i reckon i'll stick around.

i doubt i'll play the main event though i might have a shot at one of the satellites,most likely i'll just play the cash games though.

HighFinance

Hey Len,

I'm heading over to cover it for Card Player. Look forward to bumping into you and hopefully you might give me semi/regular updates on how you and your table mates are getting on.

Just try and make it through the first few levels eh mate? Gimme something to work with.

Brendan.

RoundTower

lol

kincsem

Good luck Len. Hope you are not standing up as early and as often as you were in Killarney. :rolleyes:

jacQues

Can you not ask PPP to put a bounty on your head? Like whoever knocks you out will get his/her buy-in back? You'd be allright then!

jacQues
(Dortmund hamster)

Fatboydim

HighFinance wrote:

Hey Len,

I'm heading over to cover it for Card Player. Look forward to bumping into you and hopefully you might give me semi/regular updates on how you and your table mates are getting on.

Just try and make it through the first few levels eh mate? Gimme something to work with.

Brendan.

I've got my press pass as well Bren so see you there.

Hopefully last longer than at the Cue Club lol.

GL to anyone playing the super sat.

Doc Farrell

good luck len, keep us posted, i think i can get auto emails if u post on this thread, still havent worked out how to do it. damn interweb. :mad:

btw len, win it.

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Doc Farrell

tx shane, got it. and it only took me 1600 posts to find it.
hope ur getting on ok man, balance ur multitabling with lots of sun and knacker drinkin, its nearly autumn.

Fatboydim

Doc Farrell wrote:

good luck len, keep us posted, i think i can get auto emails if u post on this thread, still havent worked out how to do it. damn interweb. :mad:

btw len, win it.

I'll be posting when I get the chance, breaks etc... on the Paddy Power Blog. They've got a special EPT Barcelona Blog set up for me. So I can also keep an eye on any other Irish players out there. Though it might be very short blog if I'm knocked out on day one. All I need is my 80 / 20s to hold up lol.

the basic url for the blog is

www.paddypowerpoker.com/blog

If I get time I'll post on here as well.

Fatboydim

The Blog is live now. I'll be posting from Monday onwards.

http://www.paddypowerpoker.com/blog/

Fatboydim

A new post up on the blog.

Tomorrow night is the welcome party. - Free beer - So I'll report on that and then ready to roll on Tuesday.

As far as I can tell Irish hopes are resting on Andy Black and myself.

I know Padraig said he wasn't going and I don't know about Donnacha... But obviously if I find any Irish men or women - I'll try and report on how they are doing.

carfax

You're a legend Len....Good luck.

Mellor

Paddy power have odds to win this up now,
Len, your listed at 250/1

Fatboydim

I'm 350/1 on Betfair listed as Len Cowen lol.
There's a welcome party tonight as usual. I'll report on that. Of course Roy The Boy should be there too and maybe Alan Betson.

zuutroy

Haha deadly....are you +EV at 350?!?!

Fatboydim

Minus EV. As I've just gone. A day one exit stinks but here's the hand. The Villain is David Williams who was second to Raymer. I felt I had a very good read on him and as it happens I did:

Two hands that did the damage. Williams always raises the button if it’s not raised pre-flop. And he plays aggressively after. I have QQ in the SB and I reraise his button. He made it 400 I made it 1200. He calls. Flop comes K rag rag - rainbow. I bet 2500 and he goes all in. i ask for a count and he just about has me covered. I think about it… Is this one of his 7 high occasions.? I fold face up. He shows me his King of clubs.

I wait and wait for another hand. Again I’m SB and in unraised pot Williams makes it 400. I have KQ and there are two limpers and the BB ahead. I call. BB calls and one linper calls one folds. Flop comes Q69 rainbow. I check as I’m first to act and I’m reraising any bet. It’s checked around to Williams and he checks. So we see the next card… An Ace… I’m ready tro give up the hand… but it’s check check and then Williams makes it 2200 I look at the way he’s made the bet and I think he’s at it. He doesn’t have an ace. I think about reraising here but I know I have him and I want more chips. A harmless looking 4 comes on the river. I go all in… He insta calls. I ask him if he has an Ace… he says no… he rolls over a pair of pocket fours he’s made his set on the river… And that was all she wrote.. Well I’m sorry guys I couldn’t have done better. I felt I had a real chance. I was happy with my table and had a good idea how everyone was playing. But it wasn’t to be.

Clareman

really bad beat there dim, better luck next time (it looks to me that luck beat you btw)

zuutroy

Aw very unlucky....hope you got *some* enjoyment out of the whole thing.

semibluff

very unlucky and wp

just one question, your exit hand, your reason for not raising him on the turn was you wanted all his chips? how does going all in on the river with you first to act differ? isnt a value bet the best option, or perhaps another check hoping for a final bet?

hope you dont mind the question len, fairplay again

Flushdraw

Fatboydim wrote:

Minus EV. As I've just gone. A day one exit stinks but here's the hand. The Villain is David Williams who was second to Raymer. I felt I had a very good read on him and as it happens I did:

Two hands that did the damage. Williams always raises the button if it’s not raised pre-flop. And he plays aggressively after. I have QQ in the SB and I reraise his button. He made it 400 I made it 1200. He calls. Flop comes K rag rag - rainbow. I bet 2500 and he goes all in. i ask for a count and he just about has me covered. I think about it… Is this one of his 7 high occasions.? I fold face up. He shows me his King of clubs.

I wait and wait for another hand. Again I’m SB and in unraised pot Williams makes it 400. I have KQ and there are two limpers and the BB ahead. I call. BB calls and one linper calls one folds. Flop comes Q69 rainbow. I check as I’m first to act and I’m reraising any bet. It’s checked around to Williams and he checks. So we see the next card… An Ace… I’m ready tro give up the hand… but it’s check check and then Williams makes it 2200 I look at the way he’s made the bet and I think he’s at it. He doesn’t have an ace. I think about reraising here but I know I have him and I want more chips. A harmless looking 4 comes on the river. I go all in… He insta calls. I ask him if he has an Ace… he says no… he rolls over a pair of pocket fours he’s made his set on the river… And that was all she wrote.. Well I’m sorry guys I couldn’t have done better. I felt I had a real chance. I was happy with my table and had a good idea how everyone was playing. But it wasn’t to be.

Pity you didnt go deeper Len. If i was you, i would have pushed the turn and be happy to take the 3800 or so in the middle with a pretty weak hand especially as you dont know what card you want you to see on the river.

Considering the way you played the hand and the read you had, i think it would have been better to check the river and let David take a flyer at it again. If he's weak, he cant call your allin anyway but if you check it to him, he can only win with a bet.

Fatboydim

It's a fair enough question. I had only around 6k left at that stage there was 6k in the pot. I had considered reraising all in on the turn but he would have been getting 2/1 for his money and would have called anyway. I had to consider what holdings he did have and I thought either he had bottom pair on the flop or a draw to the straight. When I called his bet I got a small reaction from him that made me know for sure that he didn't have the ace. he looked at what I had left. And I knew he wouldn't have done that if he had a made hand. A small bet at the end I felt would look too much like a sucker bet. An all in I felt might make him call with less than a great hand as I had seen him do so before. It was also possible that he was on QJ and I knew he knew I didn't have the ace so an all in bet might make me look weaker than I was.

So that's how I saw it.

I could have checked and let him bet, but as I had made that play before twice. I felt he might check and that the all in would throw him.

When he insta called I knew I was gone and asked in a shocked tone of voice if he had the ace.

I think in hindsight the best option would have been to bet the flop. The only reason I didn't was because I expected someone to have a stab at it.

Ah well - Dublin EPT might be better for me.:(

Fatboydim

Flushdraw wrote:

Pity you didnt go deeper Len. If i was you, i would have pushed the turn and be happy to take the 3800 or so in the middle with a pretty weak hand especially as you dont know what card you want you to see on the river.

Considering the way you played the hand and the read you had, i think it would have been better to check the river and let David take a flyer at it again. If he's weak, he cant call your allin anyway but if you check it to him, he can only win with a bet.

Of course what's interesting about the first point is that if it was a regular game at the Jackpot or whatever I probably would push the turn. But I can't stress enough that the way he played he was calling with KJ, JQ, K 10, Q 10, He may have even called with his 4s. His attitude with chips was ultra aggresive. Part of my reason for flat calling was to get a reaction and partly to see what came next. The four obviously didn't bother me. And the all in was more to confuse him than anything.

At the end of the day if I had known what he was holding I probably would have played the same way - Except of course wouldn't go all in at the end.

Something else that he did that was odd - was he often held up his cards in a way that I could see them. Such as when he went all in with AK - He held it up so that I could see he had TPTK - Even though I was not involved in the hand and the player that was - was yet to call.

I think Williams is a good player for sure - But I'd love another crack at him.

loosecannon

ugh ul len,

i don't think that you did anything majorly wrong in this hand, typical tournament sicko exit hand that you will spend far longer agonising over than is necessary

wp and enjoy the spanish sun

gl :-)

carfax

wp Len......Great experience to get in terms of big tournaments.

At least you didn't have to buy-in:eek:

bops

ul len - that really sucks donkey balls

yerman williams looks to be a right tosser - am i right??

poxy 4 - ept is rigged!

Fatboydim

bops wrote:

ul len - that really sucks donkey balls

yerman williams looks to be a right tosser - am i right??

poxy 4 - ept is rigged!

LOL he played like someone who has won several million and the buy in was nothing to him.

I see he's made it through to day 2 with 100 chips more than starting stack - according to Blonde a monster pot where Williams had an up and down straight draw and ran into aces. i can imagine how that was played.

I think no matter what I had done in that hand he may well have played it to the rivr. That's the type of player he is. he'd never win the SE monthly

cardshark202

Hard luck, but your exit hand is really gross. I can understand your turn call somewhat but preflop and the river play is just horrible. Tony pointed it out I think anyway, but it wasn't that unlucky tbh, and there is no way David Williams would call a turn push with 44. I think honesty is better than some 'hard luck you played great' pat on the back.

Fatboydim

cardshark202 wrote:

Hard luck, but your exit hand is really gross. I can understand your turn call somewhat but preflop and the river play is just horrible. Tony pointed it out I think anyway, but it wasn't that unlucky tbh, and there is no way David Williams would call a turn push with 44. I think honesty is better than some 'hard luck you played great' pat on the back.

Wow you are some plank Cardshark - I don't mind you criticising the hand. Go ahead - But have you played David Williams? Or are you just guessing from TV.
I had a very good read on him and knew he didn't have the ace.
I felt when I called pre-flop that I had the best hand or near enough [Obviously a pair is better than KQ but it's a coin toss] It is arguable that as I was out of position I should have folded. When the flop came I checked from early position expecting a raise. It didn't come. I had to check when the A came as one of the other limpers could well have a raggy ace. When Williams bet I knew he didn't have the ace. I but him on range of hands including a draw and therefore ruled out going all in on the turn. However if he had bottom pair then an all in bet would look weak to him and he would have called. he had done it before at the table. He played it with the same attitude I would play the Friday night scalps. - And there's nothing wrong with people being nice. You should try it some time.

Fatboydim

Further more I think I'll take a break from Boards. I can't be assed any more.

cardshark202

Depends if you want to learn and improve or just continue playing the same game in 10 years time. And by telling you what you did wrong I am being nice.

RoundTower

Reggie this is a bit unfair, I can't imagine Len really plays the game to make money and no one likes to go out of the tournament on a bad beat.

ianmc38

Reggie is just being honest. The river push is absolutely horrendous. You want to get all his chips so you shove the river with KQ and expect him to call you with worse? Your logic is a million miles off. Check call if you're planning to showdown your hand. Shoving the river is just as Reggie said, gross.

kakak1

Unlucky Len.

Very easy for the "experts" and the "tutors" on here giving their opinions when they have loads of time to analyse a hand. It's completely different when you're there, and it depends on numerous factors which the "experts & tutors" will not have been familiar with. Hindsight etc. etc.

There is also a way to give your opinion, and it's not by kicking a man when he's down.

Enough said.

Hitman Actual

kakak1 wrote:

Unlucky Len.

Very easy for the "experts" and the "tutors" on here giving their opinions when they have loads of time to analyse a hand. It's completely different when you're there, and it depends on numerous factors which the "experts & tutors" will not have been familiar with. Hindsight etc. etc.

There is also a way to give your opinion, and it's not by kicking a man when he's down.

Enough said.

What's so bad about what cardshark said? There are no insults, he's just being honest, and he did it in a diplomatic way, imo. Compared to some of the posts we got on here, Jesus himself might have witten it.

HeeHawsCantona

I'd agree with just about everything Cardshark said here - if you are being honest with your reads then you played this hand very poorly indeed but I couldn't be bothered expanding considering your replys to him.

HeeHawsCantona

kakak1 wrote:

There is also a way to give your opinion, and it's not by kicking a man when he's down.

Enough said.

Fair point - sorry

ianmc38

kakak1 wrote:

Very easy for the "experts" and the "tutors" on here giving their opinions when they have loads of time to analyse a hand. It's completely different when you're there, and it depends on numerous factors which the "experts & tutors" will not have been familiar with. Hindsight etc. etc.

Good post.

Captain Tom

kakak1 wrote:

Very easy for the "experts" and the "tutors" on here giving their opinions when they have loads of time to analyse a hand. It's completely different when you're there, and it depends on numerous factors which the "experts & tutors" will not have been familiar with. Hindsight etc. etc.

there was nothing "expert" about what reggie said. dim's play and thought process were hugely flawed. it shouldnt even be neccessary to point out why. and i dont think he made his point in a disrespectful manner.

kakak1

cardshark202 wrote:

Depends if you want to learn and improve or just continue playing the same game in 10 years time. And by telling you what you did wrong I am being nice.

Unless he is an "expert / tutor" surely it would have to be in his opinion

Hitman Actual

kakak1 wrote:

Unless he is an "expert / tutor" surely it would have to be in his opinion

What?? You'll have to explain that one a bit better to me.

Going on about the exit hand may be a bit unfair on Len, but answer me this: Do you think the hand was played well? If yes, why?

ianmc38

Everyone knows the hand is badly played. Its easy to say hard luck and all that, but if truth be known it was an error of judgement and the push on the river was simply bad play.

The purpose of this forum aside from general community building is to improve peoples thinking in hands and general poker skills and saying that the means of Lens exit was unlucky is just wrong.

Tough love is the only way to go about it. I remember posting loads of hands I played awfully when I first started reading boards. They make me cringe now when I look at them, but the harsh replies have helped me a million times over in improving my game

BigCityBanker

ianmc38 wrote:

Everyone knows the hand is badly played. Its easy to say hard luck and all that, but if truth be known it was an error of judgement and the push on the river was simply bad play.

The purpose of this forum aside from general community building is to improve peoples thinking in hands and general poker skills and saying that the means of Lens exit was unlucky is just wrong.

Tough love is the only way to go about it. I remember posting loads of hands I played awfully when I first started reading boards. They make me cringe now when I look at them, but the harsh replies have helped me a million times over in improving my game

Ian has hit the nail on the head here. I echo his sentiments on all counts.

kakak1

ianmc38 wrote:

Everyone knows the hand is badly played. Its easy to say hard luck and all that, but if truth be known it was an error of judgement and the push on the river was simply bad play.

The purpose of this forum aside from general community building is to improve peoples thinking in hands and general poker skills and saying that the means of Lens exit was unlucky is just wrong.

Tough love is the only way to go about it. I remember posting loads of hands I played awfully when I first started reading boards. They make me cringe now when I look at them, but the harsh replies have helped me a million times over in improving my game

Yes I agree BCB, Ian has it exactly right and put in a constructive yet mannerly way and gets the point across.

What I was saying earlier, but obviously some were getting a bad / no read on me was that there is a way of saying something without kicking someone when they are down.

Semibluff & Flushdraw were able to comment on the hand without, IMO being disrespectful to Len. Comments like Gross, Horrendous are a little OTT.

Of course maybe there is a little jealously in Len getting a wonderful opportunity of playing in an EPT event, especially when it didn't cost him. I don't know Len, never met nor played against him, but good luck to him, I wish I got a free seat to the EPT.

Yes I think the hand was played badly. We all think we could have done better. But we'll never know.

zuutroy

^^ Sense.

Fatboydim

Nice post Kakak1.

This, If I get it right, will be my last post on here for a while.

IMHO I find Cardshark's post to be condescending and unnecessary. For a start this thread, and that post was not a how did I play this hand post. I don't tell people how to play and I have never professed to be an expert or great player. [I don't think I know Reggie and I have no personal gripe against him.] I took issue with the assumptions he makes about the way William's plays. I played the hand the way I did because of a whole bunch of factors that would be too boring and complicated to post here. If you know the guy has pockets fours and has hit on the river then of course the hand has been played horrendously. But to me at that time and in the heat of the moment the push felt like a good idea because I knew if he had something like bottom pair or a weak queen he'd call - and that is all to do with table history.

None of that is mentioned in the post and Williams still had to hit a two outter on the river in order to win the hand - and he knew he got lucky. I think that is all the well wishers are reacting to. I beat myself up more about playing the hand in the first place, than how I played it at the time. Would I play it again like that? Probably not.

Do I want further comments on the hand? No I do not. Do I want sympathy? - not really - Bad beats are boring and I don't really consider this a "bad" beat.

Am I lucky that I get to play these tournaments. Yes - Why do I get to play these tournaments? - Because I write for Paddy Power. I am a professional writer and I asked them to pay me in tournament entry fees instead of cash. That works for me and them. It would be the same as an IT techie guy going and fixing their computers and asking to be paid in tourney fees. They do not pay anything other than the fee by the way.

So that's my situation in a nutshell.

I'm well aware that there are many on boards who think I am a rubbish player, my stats are probably terrible, and that I've never posted anything worthwhile in my life. They are entitled to their opinions.

I called Cardshark a Plank because of his assumptions - and that seems to be a crime in some peoples eyes. I'm sure if Reggie and I meet it will be fine, and not an ill word will be had. - But let me just make one thing very clear - I worked for that buy in, and in that sense that 8k was mine and I can ill afford to throw away 8k at the moment. There are many many reasons why I would have liked a result in that tournament and all of them add up to a lot more than 8k. I have had a pretty rough couple of years professionally and at times have supported my family through poker - and that is tough. So you know - glib comments and petty bickering is like treading dirt into my dreams.

So I'm going to take a break from boards... Because I don't need it to be honest - I've seen how things can turn. I've no desire to be popular or controversial and so I probably don't fit in here right now. I used to wonder why people like KP - Daitho and even Padraig and Scott Gray don't post that much on here - I figure they are wiser than me. [I am in now way comparing myself to them BTW] It's only a game.