Ban the production and selling of all tobacco products!!!

juddd

I mean for the love of god we all know that smoking is a poison and that it kills people and puts a strain on the health service, so why the hell is tobacco still being sold to people?...why?

The production and selling of all tobacco products should be stopped, and I dont care about those who say "if I want to smoke thats my choice, your taking away our rights" bol**x to that is what I say!

The government needs to get up off its fat ass and ban it altogethere, and I dont care if they lose revenue from it as that will be made back by less people gettin sick from smokin.


And yes I am a smoker, and I am trying to quit, hench the rant!!

So yeah! BAN THE BUTT

I say we need to get the government to set up a poll so we can all vote on weither or not to ban it alltogether.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

lol

take all the money you used to spend on cigarettes and hire yourself a babysitter to give your bumbum a smack whenever you think about lighting up, you don't need the government to do it for you.

indough

The tax taken from cigarette sales is mainly used for healthcare, and the amount generated far outweighs the amount spent on smoking related illnesses. So smokers are keeping the country healthy by killing themselves, in an ironic sort of way.

juddd

I dont care what anyone says, it should still be banned and made illegal, but you are entitled to your opinions.

take all the money you used to spend on cigarettes and hire yourself a babysitter to give your bumbum a smack whenever you think about lighting up, you don't need the government to do it for you.

If only it was that easy!! and please dont talk down to me like im a 10 year old.
And please dont make a mockery of me and others who are trying to give up smoking.

here.from.day.1

juddd wrote:

I dont care what anyone says, it should still be banned and made illegal, but you are entitled to your opinions.



If only it was that easy!! and please dont talk down to me like im a 10 year old.
And please dont make a mockery of me and others who are trying to give up smoking.

To be fair his comment was no more ridiculous than yours, and he wasnt trying to make a mockery out of anyone, just using an equally extreme statement to try and make you reflect on yours.

juddd

To be fair his comment was no more ridiculous than yours

Would you care to be more specific about what you mean?

here.from.day.1

juddd wrote:

I mean for the love of god we all know that smoking is a poison and that it kills people and puts a strain on the health service, so why the hell is tobacco still being sold to people?...why?

The production and selling of all tobacco products should be stopped, and I dont care about those who say "if I want to smoke thats my choice, your taking away our rights" bol**x to that is what I say!

The government needs to get up off its fat ass and ban it altogethere, and I dont care if they lose revenue from it as that will be made back by less people gettin sick from smokin.


And yes I am a smoker, and I am trying to quit, hench the rant!!

So yeah! BAN THE BUTT

I say we need to get the government to set up a poll so we can all vote on weither or not to ban it alltogether.

May have been a rant yes and everybodys entitled to one but nonetheless it makes it no less ridiculous. Smoking has been around since the Dark Ages and I think people are well able to make up they're mind on what choices they want to make in life, worry about yourself unless you think the smoking population needs to be nannied into making the right choice? Nobody forced you to start smoking, why should you get to force people not to?

monkey tennis

Yeah, fuck the constitution! Let's impose your opinion on everyone, they don't have the intelligence to make decisions for themselves!!

:rolleyes:

This country is enough of a nanny state as it is, without jumped-up geniuses like yourself trying to cram your crap down everyone's throats. If you're addicted to nicotine, that's your own damn fault. Don't try to blame advertising for your impressionability.

here.from.day.1

^ My point summarised.

juddd

Smoking has been around since the Dark Ages

so what!

I think people are well able to make up they're mind on what choices they want to make in life

Does that include the young teenager that does not know any better and lights up their first smoke and gets high from it then develops a 40 a day habit and dies from lung cancer later in life?

worry about yourself unless you think the smoking population needs to be nannied into making the right choice?

Ok I will and maybe we do?

Nobody forced you to start smoking

There are other ways of starting smoking than being forced into it.

why should you get to force people not to

This is my opinion and I have always said it should be banned I did not just blurt this out today off the top of my head, and I could never force anyone not to, as I said in my original post

juddd wrote:

so we can all vote on weither or not to ban it alltogether

by putting it to a vote I am not forcing anyone to do anything, such is democracy.

juddd

This country is enough of a nanny state as it is, without jumped-up geniuses like yourself trying to cram your crap down everyone's throats.

Hahahahahahah your hilarious, and obviously so blinded by rage that you cant read.

juddd wrote:

I say we need to get the government to set up a poll so we can all vote on weither or not to ban it alltogether.

If you're addicted to nicotine, that's your own damn fault..

So it has nothing to do with the cigarette then, I see....I must go back in time and tell my 16 year old self that wonderful nugget of information....ohh no wait! I can't!

Don't try to blame advertising for your impressionability

Who mentioned anything about advertising, my freinds way back in the good old days were the ones who introduced me to cigarettes.

here.from.day.1

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juddd wrote:

so what!
-So people have been making up their own mind since as far back as then.


Does that include the young teenager that does not know any better and lights up their first smoke and gets high from it then develops a 40 a day habit and dies from lung cancer later in life?
-They're not a teenager their whole life, sooner or later teenagers develop a mind of their own!


Ok I will and maybe we do?
-Nobody has the right to take away a persons free will.


There are other ways of starting smoking than being forced into it.
-Yes, such as not being forced into it.



This is my opinion and I have always said it should be banned I did not just blurt this out today off the top of my head, and I could never force anyone not to, as I said in my original post by putting it to a vote I am not forcing anyone to do anything, such is democracy.
-"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Ph3n0m

juddd wrote:

So it has nothing to do with the cigarette then, I see....I must go back in time and tell my 16 year old self that wonderful nugget of information....ohh no wait! I can't!

I'm sorry, when you started smoking did you somehow think cigarettes were good for you? After all,from a visual point of view, you are inhaling ****ing smoke!

Who mentioned anything about advertising, my freinds way back in the good old days were the ones who introduced me to cigarettes.

So your friends offered you cigs, you choose to take one - oh yeah I can see that it is completely and solely the fault of the cigarette there. Maybe you should blame your own personal weakness and susceptibility to peer pressure first.

You did have a choice - either start smoking or dont - millions of people choose not to start in the first place.

Terry

Rant away.

Kinetic^

Let's ban fatty food so all the fat fùcks don't get fatter!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

Kipperhell

There are lots of reasons why a ban wouldn't work and to not even be aware of why requires a level of stupidity.

Prohibition of drugs and alcohol has never worked so why would it suddenly work now?

Criminals would make profit the government currently make.

The government need the money.

Smokers have political weight

Smoking makes more profit then simple tobacco sales such as lighters,ash trays and every convenience store make additional sales on the simple visit into their shops.

So you would lose political standing, make lots of people lose their jobs, throw the country into a recession, increase criminal income and ultimately fail in stopping smoking.

As with most problems there is not an easy solution and generally people who think there is they fail to actually think about the full ramifications.

Mossy Monk

Ban chewing gum.

Terry

I think the sentiments of the OP were good, but s/he went about it the wrong way, which is why I moved this thread to AH.
I do think that all tobacco products should be banned. There really is no need for them. They don't even get you drunk.
Cigarettes are the most pointless drug ever.
At least fatty food tastes nice.

/lights up cigarette. Inhales. Coughs up big grey blob.

mikemac

indough wrote:

The tax taken from cigarette sales is mainly used for healthcare, and the amount generated far outweighs the amount spent on smoking related illnesses. So smokers are keeping the country healthy by killing themselves, in an ironic sort of way.

Are you sure about this?
Maybe there is more tax revenue coming than health spending on these diseases (I don't have the figures) but if we're losing thousands of workers from the labour force to early retirment and disability allowances in their 50's then that's more money lost.

Tbh honest if we raise the price of cigarettes any more, it'll just drive up the blackmarket. Walk along those stalls off Henry St and if you know who to ask you can get cartons of cheap cigarettes.
May as well leave the price alone for a year or two and review it then.

Terry

Kipperhell wrote:

There are lots of reasons why a ban wouldn't work and to not even be aware of why requires a level of stupidity.

Prohibition of drugs and alcohol has never worked so why would it suddenly work now?

Criminals would make profit the government currently make.

The government need the money.

Smokers have political weight

Smoking makes more profit then simple tobacco sales such as lighters,ash trays and every convenience store make additional sales on the simple visit into their shops.

So you would lose political standing, make lots of people lose their jobs, throw the country into a recession, increase criminal income and ultimately fail in stopping smoking.

As with most problems there is not an easy solution and generally people who think there is they fail to actually think about the full ramifications.

The sale of cigarettes, like alcohol, is prohibited to those under 18.
This makes it all more appealing to impressionable/curious young people.

A blanket ban would get rid of this problem.
Yes, there would be a black market, but tobacco is not that easy to hide when you are using it.

Also, the mark up in shops is not that high.

Laslo

Well let's not be hypocritical idiots about it - let's open up the thread by trying to get all the other stuff banned too: junk food, alcohol, cars, aerosols, etc.

I remember when I smoked a grotesquely obese woman that I worked with took it upon herself to remark that it was a 'disgusting habit' when I offered her one. What... and stuffing your face with cheeseburgers and Fanta isn't? At least smoking is a 'drug' addiction/de-stresser. Obesity is the worst type of gluttony and yet smokers seem to be more stigmatised.

Say juddd - what age, height and weight are you?

Huggles

juddd wrote:

I mean for the love of god we all know that smoking is a poison and that it kills people and puts a strain on the health service

You'll be advocating a ban on JUNK food too then yes?

tallus

TheGooner wrote:

You'll be advocating a ban on food too then yes?

People have to eat, they dont have to smoke. Your quote was idiotic

Huggles

tallus wrote:

People have to eat, they dont have to smoke. Your quote was idiotic

You have to resort to abuse to get your point across?

Not idiotic, worded wrongly maybe. The point is you have obese people putting a strain on the health service too.

I am not even a smoker but smokers have rights too and a blanket ban on tobacco is just stupid.

Terry

TheGooner wrote:

You have to resort to abuse to get your point across?

Not idiotic, worded wrongly maybe. The point is you have obese people putting a strain on the health service too.

I am not even a smoker but smokers have rights too and a blanket ban on tobacco is just stupid.

To hell with smokers rights.
Smoking is completely pointless.

I type this with 20 years experience as a smoker.

Huggles

Terry wrote:

To hell with smokers rights.
Smoking is completely pointless.

I type this with 20 years experience as a smoker.

:eek:

Terry

I'm also smoking as I type this.

SimpleSam06

Laslo wrote:

I remember when I smoked a grotesquely obese woman

Had to do a double take on that one.

Huggles

Terry wrote:

I'm also smoking as I type this.

I know hence the :eek: face lol!

muckwarrior

Anyone here a smoker that doesn't want to give up?

tallus

TheGooner wrote:

You have to resort to abuse to get your point across?

Not idiotic, worded wrongly maybe. The point is you have obese people putting a strain on the health service too.

I am not even a smoker but smokers have rights too and a blanket ban on tobacco is just stupid.

Agreed I could have worded it better and I apologise for that.
I still disagree with the comment tho. Food doesn't give you lung cancer and, I know the wrong diet contributes to heart and other problems but at least there's an element of nutrition in most food, I dont see that good in smoking.
Once again, apologies. It's an emotive issue the old smokin'.

Terry

Regarding the food issue.
I read somewhere yesterday that too much broccoli can cause serious health problems.
Are we to tax broccoli because some people might eat too much of it?
I'll try to find the article when the hangover clears.

muckwarrior

muckwarrior wrote:

Anyone here a smoker that doesn't want to give up?

do my parents count

Huggles

tallus wrote:

Agreed I could have worded it better and I apologise for that.
I still disagree with the comment tho. Food doesn't give you lung cancer and, I know the wrong diet contributes to heart and other problems but at least there's an element of nutrition in most food, I dont see that good in smoking.
Once again, apologies. It's an emotive issue the old smokin'.

yeah no worries, I really meant junk food, ill change my post now,

Venom

muckwarrior wrote:

Anyone here a smoker that doesn't want to give up?

That would be me

If any of the legal drugs should be banned its alcohol. It does nothing postive for you yet drains your pockets, destroys families and can cause certain members of society to attack and kill other members of society via fighting along with the amount of drink related deaths from driving.

Venom

tallus wrote:

Agreed I could have worded it better and I apologise for that.
I still disagree with the comment tho. Food doesn't give you lung cancer and, I know the wrong diet contributes to heart and other problems but at least there's an element of nutrition in most food, I dont see that good in smoking.
Once again, apologies. It's an emotive issue the old smokin'.

Its not even the case any more of just the wrong diet leading to health problems its gotten to a stage where obesity is starting to play a serious effect on young children health long before they would even try tobacco. This is not even taking into account the number of obese adults currently in society.

Obesity effects begin sooner and are more costly to the health system than tobacco related illness's.

muckwarrior

Venom wrote:

It does nothing postive for you yet drains your pockets,

Are you saying this doesn't apply to smoking?

Venom wrote:

destroys families

Ever have to watch a family member die a slow agonising death from lung cancer?

Terry

Venom wrote:

It does nothing postive for you yet drains your pockets, destroys families and can cause certain members of society to attack and kill other members of society via fighting along with the amount of drink related dates from driving.

There are plenty of this which can have the same effect.
Using dring as an excuse for violent behaviour is a complete cop out.

Venom wrote:

along with the amount of drink related dates from driving.

Those boy racers are always pulling the drunk chicks.

Venom

muckwarrior wrote:

Are you saying this doesn't apply to smoking?/

Studies have proved that tobacco has a claiming effect on certain parts of the brain that help you concentrate while working in a stressful environment.

muckwarrior wrote:

Ever have to watch a family member die a slow agonising death from lung cancer?

And watching a family member die a slow agonizing death from a non tobacco related illness is nicer in some way?

Venom

Terry wrote:

There are plenty of this which can have the same effect.
Using dring as an excuse for violent behaviour is a complete cop out.

Yeah the amount of dring related deaths sure makes the tabloids happy

monkeyfudge

Venom wrote:

That would be me

If any of the legal drugs should be banned its alcohol. It does nothing postive for you

Pffft.... drinking makes you charming in the same way that smoking makes you look cool.

intheknow

juddd wrote:

and please dont talk down to me like im a 10 year old.
And please dont make a mockery of me and others who are trying to give up smoking.

Stop looking at me !

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

The sale of cigarettes, like alcohol, is prohibited to those under 18.
This makes it all more appealing to impressionable/curious young people.

A blanket ban would get rid of this problem.
Yes, there would be a black market, but tobacco is not that easy to hide when you are using it.

yeah, because no one takes speed, heroin, cocaine, acid, mushrooms, weed or anything else that is illegal. there isn't already a huge black market for substances like this and banning tobacco will do nothing to add to an already powerful system of drug dealing gangs.


sweet jesus terry, how do you manage to put your socks on in the morning?

Venom

monkeyfudge wrote:

Pffft.... drinking makes you charming in the same way that smoking makes you look cool.

But smokers can smoke all day long and still look cool but when drinkers try doing that they will look like tossers by the end of the day

Terry

Mordeth wrote:

yeah, because no one takes speed, heroin, cocaine, acid, mushrooms, weed or anything else that is illegal. there isn't already a huge black market for substances like this and banning tobacco will do nothing to add to an already powerful system of drug dealing gangs.

In all honesty, do you really think people who have never smoked are going to go out of their way to buy cigarettes just because they are illegal.
The illegal substances you mentioned above give the users a high.
Smoking does not do that. It's the most pointless drug ever.

Mordeth wrote:

sweet jesus terry, how do you manage to put your socks on in the morning?

I wear sandals.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Terry wrote:

In all honesty, do you really think people who have never smoked are going to go out of their way to buy cigarettes just because they are illegal.
The illegal substances you mentioned above give the users a high.
Smoking does not do that. It's the most pointless drug ever.

well, yes I do. think of how cool you'd look if you lit up one of those dangerous illegal cigarettes in front of all your mates. it'd be the peer pressure kids face now, times a thousand!!

and actually, cocaine is the most pointless drug ever.

I wear sandals.

hah!

David Michael

monkey tennis wrote:

Yeah, **** the constitution! Let's impose your opinion on everyone, they don't have the intelligence to make decisions for themselves!!

:rolleyes:

This country is enough of a nanny state as it is, without jumped-up geniuses like yourself trying to cram your crap down everyone's throats. If you're addicted to nicotine, that's your own damn fault. Don't try to blame advertising for your impressionability.

I'd agree. But why Can't I take cocaine or Heroin? Why the state nanny'ing me

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

exactly, you're an assumed rational adult. if you want to take coke or heroin, it is your choice and no one elses. You just haev to take a tally of your life, your responsibilities (family, job etc), your risk of developing an addiction, illness or psychological disorder, then your finances to ensure you will have enough money to support yourself if you start to **** yourself up and if you still think coke/heroin is the drug for you, then more power to you. It's none of the government's business, you are your own person and you get to make your own mistakes.

that being said, coke and heroin are ****ing stupid drugs and people who take them are ****ing stupid people. But I don't think intelligence is a legal requirement.

Terry

Mordeth wrote:

well, yes I do. think of how cool you'd look if you lit up one of those dangerous illegal cigarettes in front of all your mates. it'd be the peer pressure kids face now, times a thousand!!

Lit one up.
It's not like they are going to be readily available. One cigarette isn't going to harm you or get you addicted. However, having easy access to cigarettes makes it easier to become addicted.

Mordeth wrote:

and actually, cocaine is the most pointless drug ever.

Ok. Lets say that cigarettes are the most pointless legal drug ever.
You are 100% right on the coke thing.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

you would agree that paris is the capital of france?

good, then we're back in agreement.


one syringle full of heroin prob won't get you addicted either, but plenty of people manage it. and since cigarettes don't have the debilitating short term effects of heroin (sure, long term effects.. but who really thinks more than three or four months ahead) the people who like them and want them will find ways of getting them. All it will do is cause more work for the police and courts, prosecuting cig smugglers and criminalise a section of society who don't deserve it. the only people they are harming are themselves, and if you want to play the second hand smoke argument then you have no right to drive a car, fly in an airlpane, take a trip on a ferry or (god willing, some day) use a matter transporter.

Hagar

I read somewhere that if cigarettes were only invented now that the FDA in the US wouldn't allow them on the market.

As for the taxes collected on tobacco funding the health services, a huge amount of the funding wouldn't be required if smoking didn't exist.

Some extra funding would have to be found to pay the thousands of extra people who would live long enough to collect a pension rather than dying of lung cancer etc.

Other arguments aside, it's a massive industry making lots of people very rich. Nobody is going to close it down, there are too many vested interests.