Dublin V Derry

Nalced_irl

From RTE.IE:

Caffrey keeps the faith with his Dublin 15

Wednesday, 8 August 2007 14:02

Dublin manager Paul Caffery has named same starting 15 which defeated Laois for their All-Ireland Football quarter-final against Derry on Saturday.

Seven of Dublin's starting 15 for this weekend began the game that last time the counties clashed in the senior championship.

On that occasion Jason Sherlock scored a goal and three points for the Dubs.

The Dublin team to face Derry in the All-Ireland SFC quarter-final is as follows: S Cluxton, D Henry, R McConnell, P Griffin; P Casey, B Cullen, B Cahill; C Whelan, S Ryan; C Moran, A Brogan, B Brogan; J Sherlock, C Keaney, M Vaughan.

Flukey

Sounds good to me. I look forward to seeing them all on Saturday.:)

One Cold Hand

Nalced_irl wrote:

On that occasion Jason Sherlock scored a goal and three points for the Dubs.

Lets hope he does it again!

K-9

From Hoganstand.com

Derry test the acoustics

08 August 2007

The Derry senior football team had a trial run-out in noisy circumstances at Croke Park on Saturday evening last in preparation for their All-Ireland SFC quarter-final duel with Dublin this weekend.

In an attempt by Paddy Crozier and his management team to get their charges acclimatised to the cauldron of Croke Park, large decibels of sound were blasted out through speakers in the corridor of the changing room at Croke Park as the Derry players emerged from the tunnel last Saturday to an empty stadium.

The Derry think-tank attempted to generate the type of noise that is likely to face the Oak Leafers when they take on the Dubs on Saturday next.

The Derry players went through the full routine of match day; arriving at their changing room at the correct time, visiting their dressing room and walking out onto the pitch.

Everyone of the players have played on Croke Park before except midfielder James Conway.



Derry where 12/5 at the start of the week to win. Worth a few euro

TomMc

If they start well that will silence the crowd pretty quickly.:D

MGrah

Seanies32 wrote:

From Hoganstand.com

Derry test the acoustics

08 August 2007

The Derry senior football team had a trial run-out in noisy circumstances at Croke Park on Saturday evening last in preparation for their All-Ireland SFC quarter-final duel with Dublin this weekend.

In an attempt by Paddy Crozier and his management team to get their charges acclimatised to the cauldron of Croke Park, large decibels of sound were blasted out through speakers in the corridor of the changing room at Croke Park as the Derry players emerged from the tunnel last Saturday to an empty stadium.

The Derry think-tank attempted to generate the type of noise that is likely to face the Oak Leafers when they take on the Dubs on Saturday next.

The Derry players went through the full routine of match day; arriving at their changing room at the correct time, visiting their dressing room and walking out onto the pitch.

Everyone of the players have played on Croke Park before except midfielder James Conway.

Does anyone else find this a bizarre thing to do with the team in advance of Saturday?

Paddy Crozier is quoted in the Times today as saying "we won't be approaching this game any different from how we would approach any other, and that's just to stay focused on our own performance. We know we have to go beyond the Dublin hype". Obviously they aren't approaching it the same as they would any other match if they're trying to prepare for the noise levels like this.

I would be of the view that Derry should be doing what Crozier says and completely blocking out the trappings that go with playing Dublin in Croke Park, and completely focusing on their own performance. But by making such a big deal of noise factors in the players heads I think it can only have a negative impact on their mental preparations. I just hope that if Derry win this isn't sited as a contributor, because if they do it will be inspite of having done this not because of it.

K-9

Suppose we'll know on Saturday. I think Munster used to play with loudspeakers blaring when they where training in Thomond Park for the European Cup Final.

Something similar. It would be stupid for them to completely ignore it and treat as any match. Its an AI QF.

One Cold Hand

Sounds a bit bizarre to me, surely if they've all played there they will know (roughly) what it's like? I would feel that they will end up a bit distracted by comparing the reality to their trial run-out? I dunno.....

popebenny16

Well, they are going from that Laois game which didnt have that big a crowd to a full house in CP. I think its a very good idea.

This also means that they may have other good ideas.

Oh jaysus!!!

MGrah

popebenny16 wrote:

Well, they are going from that Laois game which didnt have that big a crowd to a full house in CP. I think its a very good idea.

This also means that they may have other good ideas.

Oh jaysus!!!

I dunno, everyone to their own, but in Crozier's position I would be trying to focus as little attention as possible on the crowd without obviously going too far and ignoring it. I just can't help thinking he has focused his players on the crowd at this point, and made a statement to them that he is worried about it.

The Munster thing is different, if Derry had done this during a training session as a simulation I wouldn't be as concerned about it, but to do it for the purpose of doing it would worry me. Obviously we don't know what routine exactly the Derry team went through, but Crozier described it as a 'walkout' so I can only assume it was nothing more than walking down the tunnel onto the pitch with the PA system blaring.

As for good ideas, I'm sure they'll have plenty of them come Saturday. And I'm sure Liam Hayes's ridiculously one sided article in the Tribune on Sunday will be pinned on the dressing room wall.

TomMc

This reminds me of when my brother & I were young, doing a trial run for the morning of Dec 25th. Not to wake our parents or walk in on you know who.;)

EARMUFFS

I think its a good idea for Derry to do it. Why not? Of course it can be used against them if they get beaten but if its something that they think could help the team why not? Looking forward to seeing how McConnell does against Bradley. The midfield battle should be good too but i think the bradley/mcconnell battle will decide who wins out.

Pride Fighter

It seems a bit peculiar but if it works for them why not. I am cautiously optimistic for the game, Derry are going to be a tough cookie to crack. We need to play for as much of the 70 minutes as possible and none of that 20 minute spurt we are known for!! We will have to be concentrated for the entire match and if we are we will take them by 3 or 4 points, if not we could lose this game.

Jaden

Should be a good game. Derry are a tough team, expect tackles to be fair, but hard. Yer gonna feel this one on Sunday morning.

It will be an early start to get over to Croker from North Galway, but worth it. (Not forgetting to beep the horn at every Dublin flag hanging out on the way).

Yet again, our worst enemy is the media, I'll ****ing punch the **** outta Hayes if I see him.

K-9

’As you were’ for Derry

10 August 2007

Paddy Crozier and his selectors have given the players that beat Laois last time out the thumbs up by naming the same side for tomorrow’s (Saturday) All-Ireland SFC quarter-final tussle with Dublin at Croke Park.

There was some suggestion that Crozier and Co. would recall team captain Kevin McGuckian who has regained fitness after a long injury lay-off but McGuckian takes his place on the bench instead.

Derry (SFC v Dublin) - B Gillis; M McGoldrick, K McCloy, G O’Kane; L Hinphey, SM Lockhart, F McEldowney; F Doherty, J Conway; M Lynch, P Murphy, E Muldoon; C Devlin, P Bradley, C Gilligan.

meathman 007

hopefully its an exciting game, my prediction is for a dublin win. I think it will be close for 60 minutes and then the dubs will pull away...... there is only one way derry can win - stop the dubs from scoring goals, which is easier said than done....additionally, i think derry need to score at least 1 goal.... if was caffrey - i would make henry stick to bradley for the game and cullen to stick to muldoon for the game - bacause i dont see much of a threat from the rest of derrys forwards...

blackbelt

Stick Paul Griffin on bradley and bobs your uncle.Would be an interesting pairing with one of the best forwards in the country being marked by who I consider to be the best defender in the country.Put Henry on Muldoon and see what happens.

My concern is Paul Casey.He has been a bit shakey in past matches.I'd expect Vaughan to shine and Mossy to replace Jayo in the second half.Pillar will probably go with the same tactics too.

blackbelt

Better bring the rain gear lads,the weather is supposed to be sh1te.

baztard

C'mon Derry!

Zzippy

EARMUFFS wrote:

Looking forward to seeing how McConnell does against Bradley. The midfield battle should be good too but i think the bradley/mcconnell battle will decide who wins out.

If the supply of ball into the Derry full forward line isn't good then that battle won't matter in the slightest. The game will be won at midfield - if Whelan and Ryan play well Dublin will have great supply of ball into the forwards and Derry's forwards will suffer. Both teams have scoring forwards, whoever gets most clean ball will win. I reckon the Dubs have the better midfield so should win the game by 3/4 points

blackbelt

C'mon Dublin!

TomMc

C'mon Derry!

but if the Dubs win and Meath beat Cork, then BB I will then have to shout for the Jack's v Kerry.

blackbelt

Kind of ironic TomMc,in order for that to happen you'd need the Dubs to win tomorrow.If Derry win,would you rather see them beat Kerry/Monaghan to play Meath in the Final if they get past Cork?or a Derry v Cork Final.If I were a Meath supporter,I'd be weary of Cork.I just find it very odd that they have only done enough to win so far without being convincing.Considerably they could step it up a notch and shine against Meath.

Anyway,we can't go on ifs.
If wishes were fishes,the World would be an ocean.:D

solskjaer20

Doire abu!!

TomMc

blackbelt wrote:

Kind of ironic TomMc,in order for that to happen you'd need the Dubs to win tomorrow.If Derry win,would you rather see them beat Kerry/Monaghan to play Meath in the Final if they get past Cork?or a Derry v Cork Final.If I were a Meath supporter,I'd be weary of Cork.I just find it very odd that they have only done enough to win so far without being convincing.Considerably they could step it up a notch and shine against Meath.

Anyway,we can't go on ifs.
If wishes were fishes,the World would be an ocean.:D

Bottom line I would prefer to play Dublin rather than Kerry in the final (if we get there), but if Derry wanted to take their place that would be fine too.

I don't think Meath will be complacent against Cork even if some of the supporters may be. Too much history and a somewhat bitter one at that between the two counties (87,88 & 90) not to focus the minds. Those wides the last day will focus their attention on the need to be more economical up front and the two goals on tightening things up at the back. If I recall correctly, one of the goals conceeded against Dublin too, was a result of a ball hitting a post and coming back into play. To let it happen a third time would be inexcusable. While Cork are not as talented as a team (players individually are, but not as a unit), their height & athletism could very well restrict the amount of possession the Meath midfielders & forwards get - so they need to make the very most of what they get. Anyway this is not a Meath v Cork thread.

Strange thing is though, that the way the fixtures have worked out for the next few weeks, is if say Dublin & Kerry do advance ...

Then whoever wins between Meath & Cork - it will give either Dublin or Kerry more of an incentive to win their semi and meet their greatest provincial rivals in the final. It may be the thing which tips the balance - hunger etc but then again it may increase the pressure and so the consequences.

Het-Field

While people are saying that this will be Dublin's first big test, I would be inclined to say that this will be Derry's second. Mayo and Laois were very demoralised after being put out of their respective championships. Armagh was a big scalp, but Armagh have been on the wane for two years, and in truth are not the side they were between 2002-2004. I think that if Dublin's midfield gets on top, it will be impossible for Derry to sweep up much ball, and as a result they will struggle badly. Griffin on Bradley would appear to be the best option.

If we get through this round, Whelan must be put on Donaghy. Fight Fire With Fire I say.

Het-Field

While people are saying that this will be Dublin's first big test, I would be inclined to say that this will be Derry's second. Mayo and Laois were very demoralised after being put out of their respective championships. Armagh was a big scalp, but Armagh have been on the wane for two years, and in truth are not the side they were between 2002-2004. I think that if Dublin's midfield gets on top, it will be impossible for Derry to sweep up much ball, and as a result they will struggle badly. Griffin on Bradley would appear to be the best option.

If we get through this round, Whelan must be put on Donaghy. Fight Fire With Fire I say.

blackbelt

Hetfield,while I must point out that I'm in no way looking past Derry,I have to say that would be an interesting pairing but leaves us with one question...who would partner Shane Ryan in midfield if Whelan was to drop back to defence?

One option would be to use Darren Magee alongside Ryan put Whelan on Donaghy and Griffin in Gooch and then put Henry on MFR.Still though,a regular defender or half back player would have to miss out with the introduction of another midfielder whilst another drops back into defence.This would be a big shuffle.I couldn't see this happening at all.

Pride Fighter

Het-Field wrote:

If we get through this round, Whelan must be put on Donaghy. Fight Fire With Fire I say.

Ross McConnell is only one inch shorter than Whelo at 6ft 3in so we should keep the team as it is. People have a slight apprehension about McConnell due to his inexperience but he has gotten better with every game this summer and can be a quality full back in years to come. We have to get through Derry first. I am very excited about this match. Dublins greater speed around the bigger pitch is going to be key to our victory but I am not writing off the oak leafers. Tomorrows match is going to be great!!

premierstone

Het-Field wrote:

If we get through this round, Whelan must be put on Donaghy. Fight Fire With Fire I say.

This would be absolute madness and go down as one of the biggest howlers in the history of the GAA - to sacrafice your best (and by a long shot imo) player from the middle of the field and to play him in a position that would be completely alien to him would be suicidal, apart from the fact that Donaghy is so clearly suffering from second season blues who to hell is goin to mark Dara o'Shea. Dublin probably have the best chance of all the teams left of beating Kerry for the simple fact that they have the one player in the country - Ciaran Whelan - who can stop Dara o'Shea.

Nalced_irl

More great planning by the GAA by the looks of it. Throw in for Dub v Der is at 3pm and its a triple header. I presume that means Nicky Rackard final is at 1pm and the ESB Minor QF will be played to a packed house at the peak time of 11am. Why bother having a game in Croker at 11am? It will be completely empty.

Pride Fighter

They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!!

Nalced_irl

True, surely they should have them at like 1pm, 3pm and 5pm or something, would make alot more sense. Altho, just thinking about it, if the Dubs game was at 5pm all those Hill 16 troublemakers would be even more drunk match would be delayed, missiles thrown (real missiles, im in talks with Al Queda to arrange a pick-up;) ) and general carnage

Pride Fighter

Now that Croker has floodlights we can organise matches to be even later!! I would love something like 3, 5, and 7pm. The atmosphere would be great for the last match, evening time adds something to the atmosphere. There are a few miscreants on the hill who start trouble but I would say it would be ok. It was for the league match against Tyrone in the first game under lights in CP.

Nalced_irl

I remember discussing that here before Pride, but the Champo is all about a nice summers day, few drinks in a pub then strole in the sun to Croker. Of course, the whole sunshine thing has been missing this year but its all about a good day out with a good game and then a beer garden afterwards. Would be interesting to see a big game played under lights at night to see what it would be like but id doubt it will happen. Shame really as they really should make use of the floodlights.

Pride Fighter

Yeah, whats the point in having them if they are not going to use them.

Johnny_the_fox

C'mon Derry!

Bobalicious93

i dont know about any other dubs but im not feeling too confident about this game for a different reason to anybody else:

last two years i have gone to all dublin championship games but one, their last ones. what im saying is that they always seem to lose when im not there.
this year, i was at the meath games, offaly and laois games.....but didnt get tickets for the game tomorrow :(

might sound silly but.............. we'll see

Flukey

It's not the time that puts people off. Put it this way, if the Dublin game was at 1pm, the place would be packed then. If the Dublin game was at 9am, it would be packed. People come for the main event on match days, and whenever it starts, that is when the crowds will be there, even when there are other games beforehand. If they had the Rackard Cup Final set for 3pm, you still would not get a big crowd in until the Dublin v Derry game started. It's how attractive the fixture is itself, not the time it starts, that draws the crowds.

Not the full 83,500 people that have tickets want to see the Rackard Cup Final, so no matter what time it is on, the full 83,500 won't be there at the throw-in. The people that do want to see it, will be there, at whatever time it starts. Despite what people are saying, the GAA could organise a piss-up in a brewery and they organise much bigger events very well, but people only come to see what they want to see. So the timing has nothing to do with it and it is not the GAA's fault if the people that have bought tickets don't come for the full day's action.

yayamark

Dublin will beat Derry but thatsas far as theyll go. Kerry will have too much for them in the semi.

in sudurbia

I voted Dublin v Meath because the question demands a partisan answer. But the gap between desire and reality is wide and treacherous, as every dublin fan who has seen hope born in july only to be aborted in september (or more often in august) knows too well. 2007 has been a year of ferment and predictions will be crapshots until after this weekend, but we have some form to go on. The one team that i have been disapponted with so far have been Cork, who I thought near had the best of Kerry in the MFC, but were disappointing against Sligo, and without Masters should be fatally wounded. Overall I think the championship is wide open, injuries and tactics will be the keys to Sam. For what it's worth, I'm dreaming that Dublin will deliver two things tomorrow against Derry: a tight operation between half-back and defense, and a couple of stellar perormances from Vaughan, and Alan Brogan. You can't capture the Championship without some heroic individual perfomances and you won't get away with it leaving the front door open. I was at CP for both of QFs last week and Meath looked really good, but if it comes to that, if, then we will go in with the advantage

if it all goes pear-shaped, then I'd enjoy seeing Monaghan or Derry win it; the trophy may be fought for in Dublin city centre, but the fire which fuels it all comes from places far from the centre of the media's universe, be it An Gaeltacht, Ballyboden or Balinderry.

bring on the dub vibrations!
sudurban

blackbelt

yayamark wrote:

Dublin will beat Derry but thatsas far as theyll go. Kerry will have too much for them in the semi.

If Kerry are fortunate to get past Monaghan.I wouldn't count out Dublin at all.I think Dublin would have a good go at them and maybe win.

Anyway,its 8:40 and it p1ssing rain.I just hope the Dubs win,the sun comes out and we're sent to the pub happy.:)

Flukey

Time for me to go soon. I'm getting an 11:25am bus, to be in Drumcondra for 12:30, to distribute the tickets I've got for people. See you all later! Up the Dubs!:D

D. Coughlan

Flukey wrote:

Time for me to go soon. I'm getting an 11:25am bus, to be in Drumcondra for 12:30, to distribute the tickets I've got for people. See you all later! Up the Dubs!:D

Ok, best of luck, it is just so easy for Dublin fans to get to Croker, it makes me sick with all the money I have to pay.

Kinetic^

COME ON DUBLIN!!!!!!!!! :cool:

blackbelt

Gwan De Dubs!!!!

Kingp35

Looking forward to this game. Derry are a strong physical side and I think midfield will be the key area in the match. If Dublin can win the midfield then Bradley will be starved of ball, we need to keep him quiet.

I think it's going to be very close but Dublin will shade it. Anyway I'm off to the Hill to stand in the rain and cheer the dubs on.

COME ONE THE DUBS!!!

david_1888

Guys I have some tickets for sale for face value.. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055133665 . sorry for putting this up here but just dont want to be left with 6 tickets and 150 euro out of pocket. Cheers

Redegg

omni in Santry have some excellent tickets STILL!!!

meathman 007

game going as predicted, dublin had there usual second half collapse but derry missed 2 big goal chances - just cant afford to do that at this level...

meathman 007

make that 3 goal chances...... just hope kerry win now and it could be a great semi final....