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Suggestion: less personality based moderators

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  • 03-08-2007 10:02am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭


    I get the sense on this site that the real community is limited to the moderators, flashing their mod badges around in forums they don't moderate.

    On other forums the moderation is far less obvious.

    Saying that mods are treated like normal users in other forums is like saying that squad cars are subject to normal traffic rules when not in pursuit of a criminal. True in theory but not in practice.

    What if the mods used special accounts to moderate forums with a name like like "rec.motors-mod1"? Then when they want to post elsewhere they would do so under a second normal user account.

    Or is being known as a moderator outside of their own forums the payoff for working for free?
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Standard Issue Mods don't and can't moderate outside thier own domain but they might post something that could be considered unoffical moderation as and when. What they say has no 'legal' force though! :)

    Mike.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 42,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Beruthiel


    OTK wrote:
    Saying that mods are treated like normal users in other forums is like saying that squad cars are subject to normal traffic rules when not in pursuit of a criminal. True in theory but not in practice.

    I disagree, Mods have been banned many times from PI for example, so your comment doesn't stand there.
    Have you reported whatever it is you're talking about? Links to examples would help.
    What if the mods used special accounts to moderate forums with a name like like "rec.motors-mod1"?

    The Admins would never have the time to do the necessary to make that happen and for the time required, there would need to be a very good reason for it.
    Or is being known as a moderator outside of their own forums the payoff for working for free?

    Why the chip there OTK? What's got your back up? What is the payoff you refer to?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    OTK wrote:
    I get the sense on this site that the real community is limited to the moderators, flashing their mod badges around in forums they don't moderate.
    While I don't deny that this may go on, I suspect that this is more a psychological thing on the part of non-mods, rather than something which actively goes on. People see the title under the name, and tend to then treat them as a moderator rather than another poster.
    For comparison - if you saw a guy walking down the street who was clearly a Garda, but not on duty (i.e. had most of his uniform on, but no epaulets, etc), would you treat him as just another punter, or would you watch what you did anyway? I suspect the latter.

    Can you give an example of this metaphorical badge-flashing?
    What if the mods used special accounts to moderate forums with a name like like "rec.motors-mod1"? Then when they want to post elsewhere they would do so under a second normal user account.
    This I suspect would be an administrative nightmare. For a start, somewhere a link would need to be maintained between the actual username and the moderator username, and it would need to be publically available. With 500 (?) moderators, I think it would just be a major pain in the ass. "Did I get banned by Smod3 or Smod6? seamus is Smod3, right? Oh no, maybe he's Smod4?". I just think it's an inelegant solution.

    I've always been an advocate of "detagging" moderators outside of their own forums. That is, only posts on their forums will show them as a moderator. Posts on other forums, they just appear as normal. This is purely to allay the psychological fears of the other users.
    Or is being known as a moderator outside of their own forums the payoff for working for free?
    Being a moderator isn't a status symbol. Anyone who thinks so is completely deluded, and anyone who becomes a moderator for "glory" very quickly realises that there's no such payout.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Indeed its like trapsing around with a mop and bucket on many forums.

    Mike.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    We've seen mods de-modded and even site banned recently ... how can people still be talking such shit?

    Even if they used seperate accounts to mod they are still people with personalities and will mod as such.

    If people think a mod is a mod of every forum then they must be too stupid to look at the list of forums they mod under their names.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    I think that the fact new users think there are a huge number of moderators stems from the fact that users who spend massive amounts of time on boards, or posting on boards, are more likely to become mods. So although < 0.5% of members are mods, they are much more visible.

    The 'badge flashing' thing does happen occasionally alright - and I think its more of a subtle, cultural thing than something one can provide concrete examples of - but the vast majority of mods are easygoing, subtle people who got the job in the first place because they showed themselves to be consistently helpful in a particular area and non muppety. There is little real "power". I like the mop and bucket example :)


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Disagree with the OP. Im on here a lot (shame on me:) ), and I know who a lot of the mods are. Ive seen some of them get a whack for being out of line in forums they dont moderate. And I know there were two perma-banned a few weeks ago. But I so often come across members that I dont realise are mods unless I check their profile on the left. And they get treated just like the rest of us.

    You will notice a bit of banter and in jokes between mods, especially on feedback. But thats just because of the admins special cult brainwashing techniques.;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    The OP's suggestion would be more trouble than it's worth. Imagine the feedback threads along the lines of "Who banned me?" "Who do I PM to get unbanned?" "OMG, that ****ing prat just banned me, I know it!"

    The fact is, we get enough flak from some 'fight the power' users while being open and honest about things. Anonymous moderation would just give credence to the delusion of clandestine going ons.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 11,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    What is it with low post-count lurkers starting threads lately about mods being evil incarnate? I mean, seriously.

    1) Mods get nothing for whatever work they do on the forums they moderate. (Luckily for me, Comics involves a minimum amount of actual work, but I know plenty of other fora aren't so easily maintained)

    2) I've yet to see anyone seriously suggest that there are real benefits to being recognized as a mod outside the forum you moderate, other than the minimal "Well, you must have a bit of sense if you've been made a mod of somewhere" aspect. And as the recent bannings show, that doesn't serve as defence if you break the rules, mod or no mod.

    3) There tends to be a correlation between being a mod and being around for quite a while. In general, I've found a similar level of treatment extended to long term users and mods outside their own forum. So I'd say it's more a case of people being regulars and thus known quantities.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,424 ✭✭✭440Hz


    cornbb wrote:
    the vast majority of mods are easygoing, subtle people who got the job in the first place because they showed themselves to be consistently helpful in a particular area and non muppety. There is little real "power". I like the mop and bucket example :)

    Yet again... I agree with you! :)

    Having said that, the bannings etc just show that there are a good share of muppet mods too. Its human nature. This isn't animal farm! ;) Mods just keep a watchful eye on things in their forums. Mod cap comes off when you leave your patch! For the vast majority anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,762 ✭✭✭WizZard


    The detagging outside of modded forums is the best idea in my opinion. Does anyone (who is more familiar with vB) know if there is a mod/option that can be turned on for this feature.

    In fact, I'd go the opposite way about it. Tag as a moderator only within the forum(s) that they mod, regardless of the user's tagline options.
    For example, some mods have custom taglines due to being subscribers, so they should keep them in every forum except those that they mod.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    daveirl wrote:
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    QFT. A very good idea. Will allow the whiners to move onto something else :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭Crucifix


    I think daveirl's suggestion is a better fit. It'd cut out a lot of the problems with out making the mods into a secret police.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    daveirl wrote:
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    Then the solution would seem to be to teach them how to read better.

    Forums list who the moderators are, and the profile for a poster who's a moderator states the forum they're mod/smod of.

    I haven't been a mod for some years now, and I *still* get the occasional PM from someone asking me to do some mod-stuff.

    The problem is *not* how mods are identified. There's nothing anywhere saying I'm a mod (although there may be a thread I started as a mod still stickied).

    Some people will always have the ability to misinterpret what you tell them. It doesn't matter how well you present the information, they'll still be able to get it wrong.

    The current systems of identification are pretty comprehensive and simple to understand. I say let them be.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,790 ✭✭✭cornbb


    I think removing "Moderator" from the tagline and replacing it with "Registered User" or a custom tagline would be the simplest and one of the most effective solutions. The list of modded forums would still appear below but its not quite as in-your-face as the tagline.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,497 ✭✭✭✭Dragan


    OTK wrote:
    I get the sense on this site that the real community is limited to the moderators, flashing their mod badges around in forums they don't moderate.

    I disagree. I had my own group and community before i became a mod, that remains. I don't particular feel the need to be "friends" with other folk who are mods simply for that reason. I don't think any of the mods do.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,424 ✭✭✭440Hz


    Tbh I really think its a minor thing. Most mods don't do it, so going to the hassle of removing "mod badges" etc is a bit overkill IMO. If a mod isn't wearing his/her user cap in a forum they don't mod then just say that to them, or the mod of that forum if you really have a problem with it.

    I think the admins have enough to be getting on with to be honest.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    bonkey wrote:
    Then the solution would seem to be to teach them how to read better.

    Forums list who the moderators are, and the profile for a poster who's a moderator states the forum they're mod/smod of.

    I haven't been a mod for some years now, and I *still* get the occasional PM from someone asking me to do some mod-stuff.

    The problem is *not* how mods are identified. There's nothing anywhere saying I'm a mod (although there may be a thread I started as a mod still stickied).

    Some people will always have the ability to misinterpret what you tell them. It doesn't matter how well you present the information, they'll still be able to get it wrong.

    The current systems of identification are pretty comprehensive and simple to understand. I say let them be.

    I get the same and I have never been a mod! The current system is fine but people will still make mistakes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Asok


    Is the link to the forum beside Mod: not a handy indicator .....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭OTK


    bonkey wrote:
    Some people will always have the ability to misinterpret what you tell them. It doesn't matter how well you present the information, they'll still be able to get it wrong.
    This is the kind of argument you often hear from people with poor user interface design skills or from people too familiar with a system to see how it appears from the outside. Not everyone has 10,000 posts.

    If people are still contacting you believing you to be a mod then clearly years of having 'Moderator' underneath your username in every forum has led to people identifying you as such.

    I'd agree with daveirl's suggestion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    440Hz wrote:
    Tbh I really think its a minor thing. Most mods don't do it, so going to the hassle of removing "mod badges" etc is a bit overkill IMO. If a mod isn't wearing his/her user cap in a forum they don't mod then just say that to them, or the mod of that forum if you really have a problem with it.

    I think the admins have enough to be getting on with to be honest.


    Well said.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,111 ✭✭✭tba


    I agree we need less personality based Mods and more silicon based Mods.


  • Subscribers Posts: 16,587 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    cornbb wrote:
    I think removing "Moderator" from the tagline and replacing it with "Registered User" or a custom tagline would be the simplest and one of the most effective solutions. The list of modded forums would still appear below but its not quite as in-your-face as the tagline.

    or you could edit it youself.

    daveirls suggestion for the win, a small part of what I asked for in my forgotten feedback thread, sob:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055122572


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 36,634 ✭✭✭✭Ruu_Old


    Asok wrote:
    Is the link to the forum beside Mod: not a handy indicator .....

    You would think so. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭tak


    I agree with OTK on this one. Thought he put it very clearly and fairly too.
    There is a lot of jerking-off done by some mods on other mods' comments - dirty talk often, too many insults, too much impatience with 'stupid' members, etc.
    I do (at this stage!) know that they aren't being paid.
    But that's no excuse to turn things into a boys' club.
    Who wants to visit a community which decent people - decent women, moreover - will find immature and egotistical.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,305 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    tak wrote:
    But that's no excuse to turn things into a boys' club.

    Don't tell everyone, but there are some female mods too. Shocking, isn't it?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭Silverfish


    tak wrote:
    I agree with OTK on this one. Thought he put it very clearly and fairly too.
    There is a lot of jerking-off done by some mods on other mods' comments - dirty talk often, too many insults, too much impatience with 'stupid' members, etc.
    I do (at this stage!) know that they aren't being paid.
    But that's no excuse to turn things into a boys' club.
    Who wants to visit a community which decent people - decent women, moreover - will find immature and egotistical.


    Dirty talk? Please provide links to back up your claims. Did you report these posts?

    Insults? Please provide links to back up your claims. Did you report these posts?

    Who wants to visit a community which decent people - decent women, moreover - will find immature and egotistical.

    I would love to hear how you arrived at this conclusion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    what is a "personality based moderator" when it's at home?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,208 ✭✭✭✭aidan_walsh


    BuffyBot wrote:
    what is a "personality based moderator" when it's at home?
    People with strong personalities, I presume. I think the OP would rather than all mods be bland, boring people. Or machines.


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