Dublin

Nalced_irl · 01-08-2007 1:20am #1

Ok, firstly this isnt an autobiograpy or anything like that so no stupid remarks please. Im getting so sick of listening to all this Dublin bashing on this board. Every day i come on and there is something that bashes us and it can be called nothing but bigotry. Why cant people here just accept us as GAA fans??? Last year was bad but this year is f**kin ridiculous!! We are the same as any other here. No we dont think we are always gonna win the AI, no we dont think our team are perfectly behaved and yes we can criticise our team, but why are we gonna criticise them here? We know well you guys will jump on anything we say against the Dubs so we dont give you the chance. Do we think we CAN win the AI, yes!! We have faith in our team and hope and expect the best from them! The papers talk about Dublin alot.....wonder why???? Maybe as most of their papers are sold here. Good reason to dislike us tho. (note scarcasim) As i said in another thread, im close to leaving this board at this stage. Im sick of all this bigotry we have to put up with and we do not deserve it. The Dubs play football, very good, flowing football might i add. The fans support them and idolise them, as any of you do for your respective teams. Probably about 10 people from 60,000 fans are troublemakers, we dont deny it but is that our fault???? Where do they get their tickets? Not from clubs!! Im am so bloody sick of the name the Dubs have on this board and there really is no point discussing it with you guys as it always ends in a "Whelo is a ........" or "The Hill should be bulldozed with all the fans on it" and the likes. Im F**kin sick of it. End!

Edit: Removed bannable material.

Pride Fighter · 01-08-2007 1:36am

Dublin rule and they are realistic AI contenders. I put them as 3rd favourites behind Kerry and Tyrone. There is a bit of anti Dublin bias by a few people but it mostly appears to be friendly banter by the majority of posters.

Nalced_irl · 01-08-2007 1:40am

Id say minority Pride. Very small minority. Sherlock for an All Star!!!

Pride Fighter · 01-08-2007 1:48am

Sherlock deserved an all star in 95 never got one. He deserves one now for that alone.

Pride Fighter · 01-08-2007 1:54am

This thread is simply called Dublin. I think it should be renamed the greatest county in the country!!

Nalced_irl · 01-08-2007 1:57am

I agree, but we dont want Kerry and Tyrone heads comin here thinkin its their thread

K-9 · 01-08-2007 3:46am

Agreed with whats being said here. Though going by Derry's record in Qualifiers, won 15/20, best of any county, 2 Semis as well in last 6 years, don't take next week for granted.

If Dublin win it this year, as posted before, they'll bloody earn it. Have my doubts but you never know? If not, back here next year with us Donegal supporters being called chokers by counties that should know better!

We always come back the following year just like you Dubs and some day soon we'll come back the whole way:D

People do not realise how hard it is to win an AI with the Qualifiers. If there was no qualifiers Armagh would have won 1/2 more, and maybe Dublin/Kerry another one each.Still no point moaning about it!

Part of the problem though is somebody makes a stupid post, Pro or anti Dub, and before you know it the whole threads gone AWOL. Its as bad as the anti Ulster threads and puke football, when if you look at the SF's and QF's in the qualifiers over the last 5/6 years! Never mind! Rant over!

And in fairness, when did that ever matter!

Kerry and Tryone have had the rights to the greatest county in the country for the last 4 years. Hopefully somebody else changes that this year

EARMUFFS · 01-08-2007 8:48am

Dublin will always attract undue attention so you will just have to learn to live with that. The players aren't immune to believing their own hype and thats where the problem begins in my opinion. The access that the media have and have had in the past to Dublin is bordering on the insane. Lyons and Caffrey made huge efforts to allow the media into every aspect of the Dublin regieme thinking "if they are on our side then we can't get abused ". Playing with fire gets you burned. Look at the so called Dublin fans that abused Lyons after the Westmeath match.
Its a fact of life that you will have to get used to. Anti Dublin bias is like Anti Man Utd or Anti Liverpool bias. If you put yourself up to be hit at you will get hit at. As for worrying about it ffs we are just "hurlers on the ditch".

D. Coughlan · 01-08-2007 9:06am

If you think there is an anti Dublin bias, you should try being from Cork, the whole country wanted us to lose to waterford. (and guess what guys, we didn't, not yet anyway! )

One Cold Hand · 01-08-2007 9:22am

D. Coughlan wrote:

If you think there is an anti Dublin bias, you should try being from Cork, the whole country wanted us to lose to waterford. (and guess what guys, we didn't, not yet anyway! )

I think it's more of a case of the whole country wanting Waterford to win, rather than for ye to lose. I know it was with me anyway. So don't go looking for sympathy where you won't get any!

Slicklink · 01-08-2007 9:41am

D Coughlan.

Keano was right !

Its all a big conspiracy.

PS Dans the man.

D. Coughlan · 01-08-2007 9:53am

Keano is always right, i was not expecting sympathy, just to point out double standards by Dublin fans, in this regard
You can take it for granted that you get a match on your own, whereas we are accused of being off the wall for complaining that for the second year in a row that the footballers are playing on saturday and the hurlers on Sunday. When the GAA could have easily had the Cork v waterford replay on saturday at 4, then have the Tyrone v Meath Quarter on before Kilkenny V Wexford, like Kerry will play Monaghan before Limerick v Cork/Waterford, to suit Dublin and only Dublin. This solution would also allow for no questions over ticket prices. I am not suggesting its an conspiracy, just that it is unfair to Cork and shows a bias against us.

Sorry for taking over this thread, I will stop now. Up the Rebels! and Come on the Dubs if you play Kerry, anyone but Kerry, anyone.

The Rooster · 01-08-2007 11:08am

D. Coughlan wrote:

You can take it for granted that you get a match on your own, whereas we are accused of being off the wall for complaining that for the second year in a row that the footballers are playing on saturday and the hurlers on Sunday. When the GAA could have easily had the Cork v waterford replay on saturday at 4, then have the Tyrone v Meath Quarter on before Kilkenny V Wexford, like Kerry will play Monaghan before Limerick v Cork/Waterford, to suit Dublin and only Dublin. This solution would also allow for no questions over ticket prices. I am not suggesting its an conspiracy, just that it is unfair to Cork and shows a bias against us.

No bias. The GAA don't make clever decisions like that. The Dubs have also lost out when it comes to the minors. Cork-Derry in the minor football semi-final is one of the curtain raisers to the Dublin-Derry game. They could easily have made it the Cork-Dublin minor hurling semi-final, but now thats the only semi that doesnt get played it Croker (Portlaoise).

But I'd guess the main reason the Tyrone/Meath game was not moved was because many Tyrone supporters had already bought tickets for the game on the Saturday. There were tickets available last week and many Sligo and Tyrone fans availed, knowing they were both certain to play on Sat Aug 4.

K-9 · 01-08-2007 11:56am

The Rooster wrote:

But I'd guess the main reason the Tyrone/Meath game was not moved was because many Tyrone supporters had already bought tickets for the game on the Saturday. There were tickets available last week and many Sligo and Tyrone fans availed, knowing they were both certain to play on Sat Aug 4.

Was surprised Tyrone/Meath wasn't on its own though I suppose the GAA where tied to the dates. Could easily pull 50/60,000 on its own.

hawker · 01-08-2007 12:25pm

I think a lot of the Dublin supporters bring it upon themselves. This was highlighted with recent incidents where they could see no wrong.

As for the anti Cork tripe. I've never came across such a shower of moaners in all my life. Most counties would give their left arm to have both teams still involved in this years championship. But not the rebels.

Why should ye have both teams in CP the same day? That would be you would have twice the fans as your opposition. You expect the opposing teams to agree with this do you? And of course Donal Og was penalised because he is in the GPA with that last minute free against Waterford. FFS give it a rest. It WAS a free so get on with it.

Sorry to the OP for taking the thread off topic again.

Flukey · 01-08-2007 12:48pm

The Cork Hurling/Football bias is down to the fans themselves. I was at both days last year, and there wasn't nearly as many fans at the football match as there was at the Hurling. I expect to see the same this weekend. If the Cork fans want both together, then they should show their interest by supporting both as much as each other. The GAA know well that the footballers won't be as well supported.

As for Dublin fans, we get all the flack and like most counties that get some, most is not deserved. Most of the fans are not like the small amount of troublemakers. Everyone knows that, including those that post the negative comments lumping us all together, but we expect to see it, so we are not surprised. It is predictable and it would be more shocking if we didn't have it. All the defenses are predictable too, so it is very repetitive. At the end of the day, we get on well enough. My invitation to meet up for a few drinks after the weekend matches still holds, if anyone wants to take it up, whatever county they support.

Nalced_irl, stay with us. Never let the buggers grind you down!

However long Dublin last, as a GAA fan I'll be here anyway, right to the end of the Championships and beyond.

D. Coughlan · 01-08-2007 12:54pm

hawker wrote:

I think a lot of the Dublin supporters bring it upon themselves. This was highlighted with recent incidents where they could see no wrong.

As for the anti Cork tripe. I've never came across such a shower of moaners in all my life. Most counties would give their left arm to have both teams still involved in this years championship. But not the rebels.

Why should ye have both teams in CP the same day? That would be you would have twice the fans as your opposition. You expect the opposing teams to agree with this do you? And of course Donal Og was penalised because he is in the GPA with that last minute free against Waterford. FFS give it a rest. It WAS a free so get on with it.

Sorry to the OP for taking the thread off topic again.

I am very pround that both of our teams got to the quarters, no other team could possibly do this on such a regular basis, all I am asking for is a bit of consideration for the best GAA supporters in the land. I will have to pay 350 this weekend just for myself, to go to both matches as I need accomadation on Saturday night, this is as cheap as I could get it some people are paying over 700 on the weekend.

You ask why should we have both teams in CP on the same day?
Ans: Because Dublin were facilatated in having a stand alone day for them, so why can't we. If Dublin can have August 11th for themselves why can't we have have August 4th.

There is no reason why not, and any reason that may be given, would be the reason I do not like Dublin Football, you think you own Croke park and by God, you do no.

The rest of this response is just made up rubbish, he has a problem with Cork and needs to resort to exageration to try and prove his point. Come on who even mentioned the GPA.

Edit: Sorry I should stay on the topic.

hawker · 01-08-2007 1:09pm

I'm only repeating what Cork fans are saying regarding the hard time Donal Og receives. And why were Cork management and players having a moan at the ref after the game last Sunday? How dare he make a decision against the untouchables.

I've spend thousands following my team around the country and all to no avail. And I'll be delighted to do it for as long as possible. The GAA are making a business decision regarding the staging of the Dublin game and to me it makes sense. Just because they didn't move games to suit Cork doesn't make the world against you. I'm sure Waterford would have preferred Semple instead of CP but you don't hear them moaning.

You think the whole world is against you regarding every decision that is made.

One Cold Hand · 01-08-2007 1:18pm

D. Coughlan wrote:

Ans: Because Dublin were facilatated in having a stand alone day for them, so why can't we. If Dublin can have August 11th for themselves why can't we have have August 4th.

This is not purely to facilitate Dublin. If they ran the Dublin-Derry and Kerry-Monaghan games as a double header, then the scramble for tickets in Kerry, Monaghan and Derry would be unbelievable, and the already massive scramble for Dublin fans would be hugely increased. As it is Kerry - Monaghan fans should have no problems and it makes more tickets available for the Dublin-Derry games. It benefit all 4 counties.

Nobody has a biased against Cork, it's just that there is a huge fixture conjestion and it's extremely difficult to organise. It's unfortunate for ye that it's not worked out perfectly. If Cork were facilitated then someone else would loose out. Don't think that because of ye're self percieved brilliance everyone is out to get ye. As someone said earlier, be happy that ye're still in both Championships.

One Cold Hand · 01-08-2007 1:20pm

hawker wrote:

I'm sure Waterford would have preferred Semple instead of CP but you don't hear them moaning.

Just to be a pedantic shíte, they actually have been giving out!

/Edit, but thats to do with ticket prices more than anything else...

Waylander · 01-08-2007 1:27pm

D. Coughlan wrote:

Ans: Because Dublin were facilatated in having a stand alone day for them, so why can't we. If Dublin can have August 11th for themselves why can't we have have August 4th.

Eh I think this decision was made more to facilitate the coffers of the GAA then to facilitate Dublin. Pure simple economics!

"I think a lot of the Dublin supporters bring it upon themselves. This was highlighted with recent incidents where they could see no wrong."

If this is in relation to the gloating, I think all Dubs conceded that it was not a sporting reaction, we just tried to point out that it was a reaction. But lets not go into this again, enough webspace has been wasted on this topic.

Flukey · 01-08-2007 1:30pm

If Dublin can have August 11th for themselves why can't we have have August 4th.

Because even with the two games on, you still wouldn't fill it. The Dublin game will do. That is the difference. It has nothing to do with Dublin thinking they own Croke Park. Cork fans won't fill Croke Park, especially when it comes to the football. If they could, it would not be practical to put it on with another game. Dublin will fill it, and that is why a separate day is needed.

You are complaining about paying out money. Well, I was there both days last weekend, and will be on both days next weekend and both days the weekend after that. I won't be getting in free. My county will be playing on only one of those 6 days, but I am prepared to pay to see the lot, as I am a GAA fan and that is what I have to do. Whatever the counties involved, I intend to be at all of the other matches iin Croke Park up to the end of the two Championships, as I have been since the start and as I do every year. It is costing me a fortune, but I am not moaning about it. As I said, I'm a GAA fan and that is what I want to do. If you want to follow the GAA, or even just the matches your own county are involved in, then you know the costs. You have free choice of whether to go or not.

As I've just posted in the other thread, if you are so concerned about the cost, then don't go this weekend and hope Cork lose on both days and then you won't have to pay anything more this year. Then you'll be happy.

Pride Fighter · 01-08-2007 1:49pm

Why do people from Cork think the whole world is against them? Its not!! They need to get a grip. With regards the GAA fixtures and Cork being on separate days that is just the GAA messing up as usual. I like people from Cork, I think they are a good laugh and good people to have banter with. There is a lot more hostility directed towards us Dubs. Nobody has ever said Pairc ui Chorcaigh should be bulldozed with all your fans in it and if anyone would, I would not be happy, even though I am not a Corkonian.

premierstone · 01-08-2007 2:17pm

Pride Fighter wrote:

Why do people from Cork think the whole world is against them? Its not!! They need to get a grip.

In fairness now pride this is blatant pot and kettle with black stuff all over the place (substitute the word Cork with Dublin and it still makes sense)

Erin Go Brath · 01-08-2007 2:32pm

Well said flukey, and fair play to you for going to all the games. €45 is not bad for a double/triple header of hurling or football. Going to other sporting codes you can well expect to pay in excess of that, for 1 game.

As for the whole bias against Dublin and Cork. Some Dublin fans are way too sensitive, and think that people giving out about Vaughan/Brogan etc is because they're from Dublin, which is utter crap. I'd complain about any team, any players who behaved in such a fashion, (i know lets put that one to bed). Quit being so sensitive lads. Dubs are probably going to get a bit more slagging in some quarters than normal because of population, capital city etc, same story in any capital city. Thats life, deal with it!

Cork is going to get some slagging coz of those 'real capital' t-shirts, and peoples republic of Cork t-shirts, and yet another anti-Cork bias (its been at least two days since the last one

). When are ye bringing out the 'whinging capital' t-shirts I'd love to know.

The Rooster · 01-08-2007 2:37pm

Seanies32 wrote:

Was surprised Tyrone/Meath wasn't on its own though I suppose the GAA where tied to the dates. Could easily pull 50/60,000 on its own.

Don't think thats true.

Nobody in Tyrone, Meath, Cork and Sligo have had any difficulties in getting tickets for their semi-final. Maybe it'll get close to a sell-out by the time throw-in starts, but ticketmaster still has plenty of tickets left (e.g. no problem getting 4 tickets together a few minutes ago). In contrast to the Dublin-Derry game which is still 10 days away and ticketmasters allocation is long gone.

Certainly it has been proven to be the correct decision to stage the Tyrone/Meath and Sligo/Cork games as a double bill.

patmac · 01-08-2007 2:38pm

premierstone wrote:

In fairness now pride this is blatant pot and kettle with black stuff all over the place (substitute the word Cork with Dublin and it still makes sense)

The mods should make this a sticky and rename it 'us v the other 31 counties'
make it a free for all (no bans) and then any thread that slags off Dublin, Cork, etc be directed to this thread (seems to be every second one these days), then we won't offend anyones sensibilities.

K-9 · 01-08-2007 7:15pm

pride fighter wrote:

. Nobody has ever said Pairc ui Chorcaigh should be bulldozed

No and How many people said the Hill or CP should be? 1 or 2 who where trying to rile Dub fans. Worked for them anyway.

What about remarks about Meath thugs, Red necks. It hasn't been brought up here because people are over it.

Just because 1 or 2 people say something doesn't mean everybody has said it or holds that opinion.

What happened to taking it giving it back!

flukey wrote:

At the end of the day, we get on well enough. My invitation to meet up for a few drinks after the weekend matches still holds, if anyone wants to take it up, whatever county they support.

Most of it is slagging or genuine debate, some on both sides go too far.

Can we stop this Dublin getting their way thing. CP will be filled out for the Dub match, thats the simple reason they have their own day. What next, if Cork reach the finals of the hurling and the football, have it all on the one day? And I'm not singling out Cork, do the same for Galway, Offaly etc.

Erin go Brath wrote:

Dubs are probably going to get a bit more slagging in some quarters than normal because of population, capital city etc, same story in any capital city. Thats life, deal with it!

Same as Man U or Liverpool.Most of it is slagging and well intended.

patmac wrote:

The mods should make this a sticky and rename it 'us v the other 31 counties'
make it a free for all (no bans) and then any thread that slags off Dublin, Cork, etc be directed to this thread (seems to be every second one these days), then we won't offend anyones sensibilities.

Yeah, getting that way. Letting of steam thread! and maybe a building a bridge and getting over it thread! Not with the Hill rubble bye the way!

nalced_irl wrote:

No we dont think we are always gonna win the AI, no we dont think our team are perfectly behaved and yes we can criticise our team, but why are we gonna criticise them here?

Seen plenty of crticism of the Dubs on the GAA Board by Dubs too.

Flukey · 01-08-2007 8:46pm

Pride Fighter wrote:

Why do people from Cork think the whole world is against them? Its not!!

It's only the rest of Ireland that is.

blackbelt · 02-08-2007 9:28am

Greetings from Spain.

A lot of what Nalced said is true and it would be a very sad day to see a true real Dublin supporter leave boards.He has contributed a lot and the Dublin criticism has gone overboard this year.I mean ffs,it has led me to post comments out of character and other people getting banned.

1.The media pick on Dublin to sell more papers.This is unfair and I know when the media interviewed The Dubs before the Mayo game on the news,it was a terrible mistake.Dublin should train behind closed doors and not talk to anybody from the press like Tyrone and Kerry do.

2.Am I right to think that the above is the driving issue behind the criticism?Or is it a natural ting to dislike a country´s capital city?Damn Spanish keyboards.Please bear with me.

3.Is it the small minority who cause trouble in Hill 16 or is it based on a game where Dublin won some time ago?Or is it people simply jumping on the bandwagon of fans that attack Dublin and their fans.

The above is what has to be thought of.I don´t mind people who don´t like Dublin for simply not liking Dublin but people get side tracked with other issues..My uncle hates Meath and Cork and he is a Mayo man but he´s perfectly entitled to do so.

Anyway Nalced,please don´t leave boards over silly comments made by others.I know it is hard sometimes when it goes crazy but most of the time I lap it up and come back to defend the best damn county in Ireland and the boys in blue.

As for Cork,they have not been lashed out of it on forums but are sort of asking for it.The reason most people want Waterford to win is because they are the under dogs.

blackbelt · 02-08-2007 9:36am

Flukey wrote:

Because even with the two games on, you still wouldn't fill it. The Dublin game will do. That is the difference. It has nothing to do with Dublin thinking they own Croke Park. Cork fans won't fill Croke Park, especially when it comes to the football. If they could, it would not be practical to put it on with another game. Dublin will fill it, and that is why a separate day is needed.

You are complaining about paying out money. Well, I was there both days last weekend, and will be on both days next weekend and both days the weekend after that. I won't be getting in free. My county will be playing on only one of those 6 days, but I am prepared to pay to see the lot, as I am a GAA fan and that is what I have to do. Whatever the counties involved, I intend to be at all of the other matches iin Croke Park up to the end of the two Championships, as I have been since the start and as I do every year. It is costing me a fortune, but I am not moaning about it. As I said, I'm a GAA fan and that is what I want to do. If you want to follow the GAA, or even just the matches your own county are involved in, then you know the costs. You have free choice of whether to go or not.

As I've just posted in the other thread, if you are so concerned about the cost, then don't go this weekend and hope Cork lose on both days and then you won't have to pay anything more this year. Then you'll be happy.

Well said Flukey,I have nothing against Cork or Kerry but I could not believe how unbelievably easy it was last year to stroll out in the late afternoon in Italy and buy a ticket for the Cork and Kerry semi final last year.This ws when Laois were playing Mayo as well.No other county is guaranteed to sell out Croke Park like the Dubs do and having being at the Kildare v Meath match this year,both close to Dublin,the support was pathetic.Call it simple economics or justice but Dublin do deserve a stand alone this time.I only wish it was on a Sunday as I probably have to work from 5am to 2pm that Saturday and rush down dog tired.

K-9 · 02-08-2007 10:01am

blackbelt wrote:

I mean ffs,it has led me to post comments out of character and other people getting banned.

Comments like bulldoze are only looking for a reaction from Dub supporters and they get one as well.:rolleyes:

blackbelt wrote:

1.The media pick on Dublin to sell more papers.This is unfair and I know when the media interviewed The Dubs before the Mayo game on the news,it was a terrible mistake.Dublin should train behind closed doors and not talk to anybody from the press like Tyrone and Kerry do.

Some players thrive on the attention, others don't. Some get overhyped and cocky others use it. Applies to Donegal and other counties as well. Its an old cliche but true, "the GAA needs the Dubs".

blackbelt wrote:

Or is it a natural ting to dislike a country´s capital city?

Yes and successful teams. ABU's etc. Rivalries as well eg.Real and Barcelona, Liverpool Man U, Dublin Meath etc.

blackbelt wrote:

3.Is it the small minority who cause trouble in Hill 16 or is it based on a game where Dublin won some time ago?

I'm concerned about segregation if the problem gets worse. A few Derry fans where a disgrace when Donegal beat them last year. All counties have it. Somebody posted a couple of days ago about mob mentality and terraces. Its probably more noticeable in the Hill and actually more likely when you have 13/15,000 supporters mostly from one county on a Terrace. Prevalent throughout the world. Genuine GAA supporters, Dublin or anywhere else don't want to see it become a real problem.

blackbelt wrote:

My uncle hates Meath and Cork and he is a Mayo man but he´s perfectly entitled to do so.

We all have our rivalries. Wouldn't be particularly mad about Tyrone or Derry but fair play to them this year and before. Armagh the same.

Also remember that most GAA supporters wished Dublin well in 1995. Supported Tyrone because they where from Ulster and neighbours and Canavan. Still Dublin deserved it.

Dublin deserve it this year to, but more than Tyrone or Kerry, well we'll find out over the next 7 weeks. Armagh deserved more than one AI but didn't matter much.

blackbelt wrote:

As for Cork,they have not been lashed out of it on forums but are sort of asking for it.The reason most people want Waterford to win is because they are the under dogs.

Yeah, back to Waterford deserve an AI. I'm sure true GAA Cork supporters wouldn't begrudge this Waterford team an AI purely on the level of entertainment they and Cork have provided us. Of course they have to beat you's and a couple of others yet. The Tribune did an stat piece, in 16 games counting Sun, only 2 points between them in total.

Like Tyrone v Armagh in Gaelic titanic stuff and what drama.

K-9 · 02-08-2007 10:16am

blackbelt wrote:

.No other county is guaranteed to sell out Croke Park like the Dubs do and having being at the Kildare v Meath match this year,both close to Dublin,the support was pathetic.Call it simple economics or justice but Dublin do deserve a stand alone this time.I only wish it was on a Sunday as I probably have to work from 5am to 2pm that Saturday and rush down dog tired.

Dublin deserve CP for the QF because they'll fill it. However to say other counties are poorly supported are get bad attendances? Come on, you's are the best supported and all that, but the question is why not? Biggest population base, CP in Dublin.

Would I say you're better supported than Tyrone, Armagh and Donegal who have brought huge support to CP? Ulster finals in CP brought 50/60,000 and filled it in 04. Smaller population, longer travelling, cost etc. ?

Just because Dublin fill CP 3/4 times it doesn't follow that you are the best or most supported.

There is no answer to who is the best supported.

The other one is Dublin fans quoting 22 AI's. Didn't matter to Tyrone in 05, Derry 93, Down 94, Donegal 92 and Armagh 02. Tradition is there to be broken.

Flukey · 02-08-2007 12:47pm

Ulster counties have always been well supported when they came to Croke Park. Teams came as Ulster Champions and so fans from the whole province came down, unlike the other 3 provinces. They were not just a particular county, but an Ulster team, champions of Ulster and so the people of Ulster came to follow their team, regardless of what county they were from themselves. There has always been a sort of "them and us" when it came to Ulster GAA and the rest of the country.

K-9 · 02-08-2007 1:03pm

Flukey wrote:

They were not just a particular county, but an Ulster team, champions of Ulster and so the people of Ulster came to follow their team, regardless of what county they were from themselves. There has always been a sort of "them and us" when it came to Ulster GAA and the rest of the country.

Maybe in the 70's and 80's when we wheren't much good and feared Dublin and Kerry. There was a certain inferiority complex to it and of course political too. Down never had it tho, the Down swagger and they've never lost an AI. Counties borrowed from that.

Not as much now. They'll be a few Armagh fans dreading to see Tyrone win a third AI. (3 in 5 years i.e.!) A few Donegal and Derry fans to, but generally we do like see Ulster counties winning.

Does the same apply generally to Dublin and Meath/Kildare etc. fans? Or indeed Meath/Dublin/Kildare etc.

Most big Donegal games in Croker you'd have 15/25,000 Donegal people at it. Our population is about 150,000. Just putting a little perspective into Dublin being the best supported. Point is Considering Dublin has the biggest population, shouldn't they be filling Croker 3/4 times a year?

Always remember the QF Replay against Galway in Castlebar. Sold 20,000 tickets. Must have outnumbered Galway 3 or 4 to 1 and they where only down the road. There wouldn't have been too many other Ulster county support at a Donegal game in Castlebar.

bill_ashmount · 02-08-2007 1:26pm

Pride Fighter wrote:

Why do people from Cork think the whole world is against them? Its not!! They need to get a grip. With regards the GAA fixtures and Cork being on separate days that is just the GAA messing up as usual. I like people from Cork, I think they are a good laugh and good people to have banter with. There is a lot more hostility directed towards us Dubs. Nobody has ever said Pairc ui Chorcaigh should be bulldozed with all your fans in it and if anyone would, I would not be happy, even though I am not a Corkonian.

I don't know who came out with the bulldozing comment, but why don't people just ignore it, it's obviously a poor attempt at WUMMING. I don't really see the anti Dublin bias, I'd love to see Dublin win it, be good for GAA, but unfortunately I don't think they are good enough. Hopefully ye make a break through in the hurling, it would be good for the game in general.

In fairness I don't think Cork people think the whole world is against them, I won't be going to either of the games next, it' simply too expensive, but I can see why people are annoyed at having to pay semi-final prices for a quarter-final game (and I know KK v Wex game is on....that's not the point)

The saddest thing I have seen in a long time is the gang of lads in the Wexford jerseys starting all the Waterford chants in the hill last week. :rolleyes:

K-9 · 02-08-2007 2:30pm

bill_ashmount wrote:

I don't know who came out with the bulldozing comment, but why don't people just ignore it, it's obviously a poor attempt at WUMMING.

Can't believe thats still being brought up 2/3 weeks later. Sensitive souls! Whoever wrote it must be laughing themselves silly people are still quoting it and it is stopping genuine debate. It mightn't even have been a GAA Fan, a Dub soccer or rugby head winding the Dubs up.

Can we make this a thread for parking comments like this. Also other 31 county comments, red necks, thugs etc.etc.

Het-Field · 02-08-2007 3:15pm

Forgive me if im wrong, but if I remember correctly the attendance for the Kerry v Cork semi finals in 2002/2006 didnt even come near capacity. In fact i think in 2002 it was something like 62,000 turned up. Last year it was 65,000. The Dubs have been getting 75000+ since croker increased its capacity to 82,000. Once the leinster semis were finished it was always a capacity crowd.

I belive Tyrone and Meath should have a stand alone day also as it would attract 70,000 +. The other two games should be run on the one day, and that would be likely to attract another 70,000. Kerry and Monagahn will have a 50,000 attendance.

Dublin have a valid claim to have their game played sepately. There will be 80,000+ spectators at the game, thus far more revenue will be generated for the GAA.

On another point, the idea of a rivalry between Dublin and Cork is created by those from Cork. I never hear of Dubs going on about people from cork, but the word jackeen will always be on the tip of a corkonian's tongue when a Dub is near.

Last year Cork were not good enough to be in the semi's and Dublin or Mayo would have steamrolled over them. The same applies this year. Cork have managed to get a sweet draw with Sligo. So you should forget about thinking that Cork's footballers are anywhere near oon a par with their hurlers. They are not !

bill_ashmount · 02-08-2007 3:38pm

Het-Field wrote:

Last year Cork were not good enough to be in the semi's and Dublin or Mayo would have steamrolled over them. The same applies this year. Cork have managed to get a sweet draw with Sligo. So you should forget about thinking that Cork's footballers are anywhere near oon a par with their hurlers. They are not !

lol :rolleyes:
Incorrect, check your history book.

K-9 · 02-08-2007 4:21pm

Het-Field wrote:

Forgive me if im wrong, but if I remember correctly the attendance for the Kerry v Cork semi finals in 2002/2006 didnt even come near capacity. In fact i think in 2002 it was something like 62,000 turned up. Last year it was 65,000. The Dubs have been getting 75000+ since croker increased its capacity to 82,000. Once the leinster semis were finished it was always a capacity crowd.

Dublin have a valid claim to have their game played sepately. There will be 80,000+ spectators at the game, thus far more revenue will be generated for the GAA.

Whats the total population of Cork and Kerry? Whats the population of Dublin? How far is CP from Cork and Kerry?

Het-Field · 02-08-2007 4:52pm

bill_ashmount wrote:

lol :rolleyes:
Incorrect, check your history book.

Eh no. Cork's victory over Kerry was Flawed. Corks's goal should have been disallowed. He took way too many steps

In the semi, Kerry had a simple ride against Cork, and they put up no challange

K-9 · 02-08-2007 4:57pm

Het-Field wrote:

Eh no. Cork's victory over Kerry was Flawed. Corks's goal should have been disallowed. He took way too many steps

In the semi, Kerry had a simple ride against Cork, and they put up no challange

A very young and inexperienced Donegal team should have beat them on the QF too. Shame they brought back some of the old players this year.

REBEL CORK · 02-08-2007 5:43pm

Het-Field wrote:

Eh no. Cork's victory over Kerry was Flawed. Corks's goal should have been disallowed. He took way too many steps

In the semi, Kerry had a simple ride against Cork, and they put up no challange

Sure Cork won the Munster by 6 points last year, so weather the goal stood or not is irrelivent.
If Kerry had a simple ride against Cork in the semi god knows what the final was like against Mayo and worse again Dublin losing to Mayo in the semi.
Cork at the end of the day are the only team capable of bating Kerry, not because their better than the rest left but know how to and have done so and this dispite huge setback against Kerry down the years.

I love the way people are coming on cribbing about Cork people moaning about playing twice next weekend, well if any of yer county's were capable of challenging on two fronts you will understand the financial difficulties in doing so.
Oh and Cork added yet another title to our basket last night winning the Munster under-21 hurling championship and as well as this it has only turned August and we already have two All-Irelands in the bag. It just goes to show that when God made Cork he was just showing off.

Nalced_irl · 02-08-2007 6:11pm

Seanies32 wrote:

Whats the total population of Cork and Kerry? Whats the population of Dublin? How far is CP from Cork and Kerry?

True, 65,000 people travelling hours to Dublin and hours back for a game is pretty impressive really. Not that most other counties wouldnt bring that many for such a big game tho. As for Ulster fans, i alway love games against Ulster teams as there is always a good amount of them that travel. Of course this means tickets get harder to get but the buzz is alot better before, during and after the game.

Het-Field · 02-08-2007 8:14pm

REBEL CORK wrote:

Sure Cork won the Munster by 6 points last year, so weather the goal stood or not is irrelivent.
If Kerry had a simple ride against Cork in the semi god knows what the final was like against Mayo and worse again Dublin losing to Mayo in the semi.
Cork at the end of the day are the only team capable of bating Kerry, not because their better than the rest left but know how to and have done so and this dispite huge setback against Kerry down the years.

I love the way people are coming on cribbing about Cork people moaning about playing twice next weekend, well if any of yer county's were capable of challenging on two fronts you will understand the financial difficulties in doing so.
Oh and Cork added yet another title to our basket last night winning the Munster under-21 hurling championship and as well as this it has only turned August and we already have two All-Irelands in the bag. It just goes to show that when God made Cork he was just showing off.

Sorry Dude you know that to be crap. Dublin racked up a hugh score against Mayo when scoring for 22 mins in total. Mayo accrued their score over the course of 70 mins. Dublin's propensity to throw it away was crucial to their inability to take the title last year. You know well that on their day the Dubs would have given Kerry a great game in September. On their day Cork would have been no match for last years Dublin team. Mayo needed to get Dublin on the right day, and luckily for them they did. Dublin will win Sam long before Cork do. All Cork friends I have have admitted that

2006 Scores

1-14 Against Longford
3-17 AGAINST Laois
1-18 Against Offaly
1-17 Against Westmeath
2-12 Against Mayo

K-9 · 02-08-2007 11:22pm

Nalced_irl wrote:

True, 65,000 people travelling hours to Dublin and hours back for a game is pretty impressive really. Not that most other counties wouldnt bring that many for such a big game tho. As for Ulster fans, i alway love games against Ulster teams as there is always a good amount of them that travel. Of course this means tickets get harder to get but the buzz is alot better before, during and after the game.

We appreciate winning AI's (Don't take them as a right) though we're not doing to bad lately. Used to just going down for the day and I mean the day

but Thank God them days are over.

Dublin fans are fantastic, great craic and entertainment, and who would we b**ch about without you, Kerry, but sure they actually win AI's.

Anyway just for the the Dubs are the best supporters in the world line!

Population of each Province, County and City, 2006
Province, County
or
City
2006
Males Females Total Persons Leinster
1,141,320

1,153,803

2,295,123
Carlow
25,611

24,738

50,349
Dublin
582,557

604,619

1,187,176
of which Dublin City
248,087

258,124

506,211
Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown
92,899

101,139

194,038
Fingal
119,200

120,792

239,992
South Dublin
122,371

124,564

246,935
Kildare
94,190

92,145

186,335
Kilkenny
44,263

43,295

87,558
Laoighis
34,409

32,650

67,059
Longford
17,573

16,818

34,391
Louth
55,335

55,932

111,267
Meath
82,651

80,180

162,831
Offaly
35,937

34,931

70,868
Westmeath
39,819

39,527

79,346
Wexford
66,070

65,679

131,749
Wicklow
62,905

63,289

126,194
Munster
589,933

583,407

1,173,340
Clare
56,048

54,902

110,950
Cork
240,814

240,481

481,295
of which Cork City
58,449

60,969

119,418
Cork County
182,365

179,512

361,877
Kerry
70,641

69,194

139,835
Limerick
92,680

91,375

184,055
of which Limerick City
25,698

26,841

52,539
Limerick County
66,982

64,534

131,516
North Tipperary
33,568

32,455

66,023
South Tipperary
42,250

40,971

83,221
Waterford
53,932

54,029

107,961
of which

Waterford City
22,622

23,126

45,748
Waterford County
31,310

30,903

62,213
Connacht
254,450

249,671

504,121

Galway
116,476

115,194

231,670
of which Galway City
34,848

37,566

72,414
Galway County
81,628

77,628

159,256
Leitrim
14,903

14,047

28,950
Mayo
62,636

61,203

123,839
Roscommon
30,178

28,590

58,768
Sligo
30,257

30,637

60,894
Ulster (part of)
135,468

131,796

267,264
Cavan
32,915

31,088

64,003
Donegal
73,970

73,294

147,264
Monaghan
28,583

27,414

55,997
State
2,121,171

2,118,677

4,239,848

That didn't post like it should but its male figures at the top

women at the bottom;) Not my choice btw :eek: and the total is third.

K-9 · 03-08-2007 12:27am

From that, its amazing Kilkenny are brill at one sport never mind bothering at 2!;)

Laois are doing well to win Leinster and have a decent Hurling team - well half decent.

Longford - how many where in Killarney last year - fair play to yous.

Kerry - well there born with GAA genes.

Offaly - how many AI'S in different codes in the last 36 years. Wow!

Wicklow - could definitely do better!

Leitrim - was the whole county there in 94?

Monaghan - probably have half the county at the QF.

Donegal - probably hold our own against the average.

Must check out the wee 6!

K-9 · 03-08-2007 12:56am

THE WEE 6:

Down: 516,000

Antrim: 566,000

Armagh: 141,000.

Fermanagh: 57,000

Tyrone: 166,000

Derry: 213,000

43.8% Catholic - unfortunately its relevant.

Down - ok - they've never lost in 5 AI's though!

Antrim - terrible.

Armagh - not bad at all - 62,000 is real population.

Fermanagh - brilliant last 4/5 years. Probably best supported consistently in the last 5/6 years. About 30,000 odd would consider going to a Gaelic match.

Tyrone - 73,000 - not bad support at all.

Derry - about 100,000. Never where greatly supported. Soccer so strong in the city, only couple of adult clubs there now. Really discount the city but thats not fair either.

DUBS - AVERAGE.

Nalced_irl · 03-08-2007 2:24am

So there are 15 counties from 34 competing that do not even have the population to fill CP. Thats insane! I could include London and NY as if you go by population that even knows the game exists, much less the pool of players it is probably less than CP`s capacity so technically half of the competing counties have a smaller pop than the stadium.

Actually, just realised you left a few out in the original counts from Ulster so add Fermanagh to it and over half. Thats not taking into account that only 44% of the rest would touch GAA with a bargepole.

K-9 · 03-08-2007 2:54am

Nalced_irl wrote:

So there are 15 counties from 34 competing that do not even have the population to fill CP. Thats insane! I could include London and NY as if you go by population that even knows the game exists, much less the pool of players it is probably less than CP`s capacity so technically half of the competing counties have a smaller pop than the stadium.

Actually, just realised you left a few out in the original counts from Ulster so add Fermanagh to it and over half. Thats not taking into account that only 44% of the rest would touch GAA with a bargepole.

Yeah agreed Nalced_Irl, but did post about the wee 6. Fermanagh comes out very favorably. As Spillane said in 04 in sports round up of the year and I was there for the 2 Semis in 04, what an achievement?

Should have won and played Kerry in an AI. Wow! And look at the rest. 3 Q/F's as well. Wow. Amazing what a dedicated team can do!

Half don't play it, half of the county is in water!:D
Even Dunphy had to agree.

I've seen them bring 10,000 at their leisure to Ulster championshp and Qualifier matches. Fair dues, best supporters in Ireland? Yeah, probably.

Compare that team and support to Dublin AND some other counties, shame on us!

K-9 · 03-08-2007 4:04am

Yes as well when Fermanagh play in CP, some Fernmanagh fans are in Dublin anyway Same as in Clones some come from Dublin but still AI 3rd round Donegal v. Fermanagh, must have been 7/8,000 out of 17/18,000 Fermanagh.

Last year same round, at least half in Enniskillen (at least 7/8,000 Fermanagh) and tickets where hard to come by. A 25% turn out of total population at a 3rd round Qualifier is not bad. They've done that regularly at Qualifier/championship matches and not bad at the league either!