Ridiculous banning

rickybutcher

I was banned from PI for 1 week. I've contributed sensibly to every single post I've posted to on PI. Maybe the tone of my original statement was a bit off but it was very relevant to the discussion at hand. It irritates me to be the victim of such a petty banning. Follow the thread, was my remark any less off topic than "stick it to the man and all that what a load of crap" by Peakoutput? Did the mod not take the subject completely off topic when a PM could have sufficed? Could it be the mods are more likely to posts they don't agree with? Maybe they live in Malahide and didn't like the comment? Seems to be completely against boards.ie best interests to ban genuine contributors for spurious reasons.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055126514&page=2

cornbb

Seems like a valid ban to me, you pulled the discussion off topic and PI has a pretty iron-fisted zero-tolerance policy for that sort of thing. Have you tried PMing Beruthiel?

biko

What he said ^
Mind, it's not like the thread was going anywhere.
PI has the strictest mods on boards and rightly so. People should feel that they can post sensitive issues and not be made fun of/ thread spiralling out of control.

monkeyfudge

Yep... I do know people on disability and on welfare who live in Malahide.

Your statement was clearly idiotic and irrelevant.

cornbb

P.S. I hope you like cats, OP

rickybutcher

I don't think it was off topic. It was relevant when assessing different people's opinions of the subject. Some of which were completely unsympathetic to the OP. At least if it was off-topic then most posters to the thread should technically be banned, if you want to take it that far, look at the OPs question in the thread? She was asking "has anyone had these experiences?". Anything outside that is off-topic no? If you want to get that pedantic. Why am I the only banning?

rickybutcher

Clearly didn't bother reading it then. I was actually being sympathetic to the OP, while others who were unsympathetic and taking the thread off-topic (again, read the OP's original question) were left untouched. If the policy is that strict why am I the only poster banned?

I urge you to read the thread BEFORE commenting.

biko wrote:

What he said ^
Mind, it's not like the thread was going anywhere.
PI has the strictest mods on boards and rightly so. People should feel that they can post sensitive issues and not be made fun of/ thread spiralling out of control.

rickybutcher

Mods? Can we give this person a banning? This has taken the thread completely off topic and counts as personal abuse.

monkeyfudge wrote:

Yep... I do know people on disability and on welfare who live in Malahide.

Your statement was clearly idiotic and irrelevant.

Beruthiel

If you read the forum charter you would know that if you have a problem with a PI mod you take it to PM or feedback, not take the thread further off topic.

You were banned for this comment after Victor had already warned you.

Also, I do not appreciate the snotty PM you sent me and have now put your unbanning under review.

rickybutcher

Beruthiel wrote:

If you read the forum charter you would know that if you have a problem with a PI mod you take it to PM or feedback, not take the thread further off topic.

You were banned for this comment after Victor had already warned you.

Thanks for pointing this out. Nobody knew this was the case. We were all in the dark over that fact until you pointed that out.

Also, I do not appreciate the snotty PM you sent me and have now put your unbanning under review.

What? I should send you hugs and kisses? I didn't curse and wasn't abusive.

So 2 things. Posters should talk to Mods over PM. But Mods should talk to users on the thread? And I should take it to PM, but when I do you'll leave some lingering threat of arbitrary punishment over my head?

Case closed. Thanks for proving my point Beruthiel, you did so brilliantly. I'll leave it at that.

biko

Just take the ban and let it slide. In time you will learn the ways of the boards, young padawan.

rickybutcher

biko wrote:

Just take the ban and let it slide. In time you will learn the ways of the boards, young padawan.

I'm happy to take a banning, if, for example I called Beruthiel a ***** ******* ***** on PI. I didn't. This is just ridiculous.

Beruthiel

rickybutcher wrote:

And I should take it to PM, but when I do you'll leave some lingering threat of arbitrary punishment over my head?

Manners go a long way and cost nothing.
When you've gained some I might by ready to listen to you, until then, you're not welcome in PI.

cornbb

You broke the rules of the charter so you got banned, its fairly clear cut. Admittedly you did post some helpful stuff in the thread, and mods do let things slide sometimes. But the decision went against you this time.

Just take the banning. "Fight the powa" threads like this one never end well for the OP.

rickybutcher

Beruthiel wrote:

Manners go a long way and cost nothing.

I could say the same thing to you.

When you've gained some I might by ready to listen to you, until then, you're not welcome in PI.

It wasn't abusive and I didn't curse. This gets better and better. The forum is denied a contributor because I didn't bend over and kiss your arse when you gave me a ridiculous banning? You'll leave me banned from PI forever until I do? You've outdone your last post Beruthiel and have proved my point better than I could ever have put it.

Corn, I know, but Beruthiel's intervention on it has proved my point. Has been well worth it.

Sully

Fair enough you contributed to the thread and in other places. Hence when you started to make a snide remark, you were just told to stop. You didnt like being given a warning, so pushed things further by directing your comments towards the mod who warned you. Then the next mod comes, sees that you were being a prat after your warning and issue a small 1 week ban.

You should just learn a lesson, and have said something like the following to the mod in PM (for banning you) "Fair enough, I shouldnt have brought it anymore of topic. I just though that... (insert your believes here)".

For the mod you got warned from, if you disputed it, you should have taken i up over PM and not brought the issue to head in the topic.

It was off topic, and you deserved the ban. Why your bitching over a small ban is beyond me. Its hardly like a week away from PI will be bad for your health.

SuperSean11

Im with the mods on this one

Nevyn

rickybutcher wrote:

It wasn't abusive and I didn't curse. This gets better and better. The forum is denied a contributor because I didn't bend over and kiss your arse when you gave me a ridiculous banning? You'll leave me banned from PI forever until I do? You've outdone your last post Beruthiel and have proved my point better than I could ever have put it.

Boo hoo you broke the rules you take your punishment and if you can't do so like a grown up and learn from it then really there is not much point of your posting privileges being restored in PI.

Re your comment in PI you don't get out much do you ?

biko

SuperSean11 wrote:

Im with the mods on this one

"We are the Mods!, We are the Mods!, We are, We are, We are the Mods!"

cornbb

rickybutcher wrote:

Corn, I know, but Beruthiel's intervention on it has proved my point. Has been well worth it.

It hasn't really, by kicking and screaming over what was initially a minor ban you've vindicated her in a way. People have been banned for less. You were helpful in the thread but dug a hole for yourself after being warned. Sully put it quite well there.

Maybe you don't mind taking a longer PI ban in order to make a point, fair enough if so, but you will find few sympathisers here.

seamus

rickybutcher wrote:

So 2 things. Posters should talk to Mods over PM. But Mods should talk to users on the thread?

Yep. A public warning will let other users know that responding to/continuing off-topic branches will result in bans for others, not just the person who may have been warned.

A warning is a single post in a thread, designed to keep it on-topic. By arguing that warning, you instantly take the thread off-topic thereby counteracting the warning.

For the record, if you really want us to believe that you sent a civil PM to Beruthiel (you don't need to kiss her ass, but respect for others costs nothing), then you'd post the contents of it here.

rickybutcher

Mods, this is personal abuse and unacceptable, why hasn't this person been banned? The only person who is bitching here is you, telling me I should have done this and that and the other thing. Worthless contribution.

Seems like nobody has read the thread. Other posters went completely off-topic first, completely ignoring the OP's question and being completely unsympathetic. If the rules were in fact THAT strict other posters would have been warned. The fact they weren't leads me to believes that certain opinions are more welcome than others according to the Mods personal opinions and that if you raise your eyebrows at a mod, by pointing out it was actually on-topic, or at least as on-topic as previous threads in the post, you will be treated unfairly. Beruthiel has proved my point with her intervention, giving me a life ban because I didn't send her hugs and kisses when she banned me.

The fact the OPs question was completely ignored by other posters in a completely unsympathetic way is being ignored here.

Sully wrote:

Fair enough you contributed to the thread and in other places. Hence when you started to make a snide remark, you were just told to stop. You didnt like being given a warning, so pushed things further by directing your comments towards the mod who warned you. Then the next mod comes, sees that you were being a prat after your warning and issue a small 1 week ban.

You should just learn a lesson, and have said something like the following to the mod in PM (for banning you) "Fair enough, I shouldnt have brought it anymore of topic. I just though that... (insert your believes here)".

For the mod you got warned from, if you disputed it, you should have taken i up over PM and not brought the issue to head in the topic.

It was off topic, and you deserved the ban. Why your bitching over a small ban is beyond me. Its hardly like a week away from PI will be bad for your health.

You're. Not "your".

rickybutcher

Yet another person who didn't bother reading the thread but feels able to comment. Why then, was Peakoutput not banned or warned if that was the case or if the Mods were following rules rather than a personal whim? As he followed up continuining the off-topic discussion AFTER the warning.

Please, read the thread before discussing it.

If there is anything abusive in my PM Beruthiel is free to post it.

seamus wrote:

Yep. A public warning will let other users know that responding to/continuing off-topic branches will result in bans for others, not just the person who may have been warned.

Kintarō Hattori

Without sounding like a complete snot Ricky, you seem to have a really really bad attitude and I'm not surprised you were banned. You went off topic after being warned, nicely by Victor not to. Since that point your attitude and manners have been atrocious.
Boards is a heavily moderated site and with good reason. It's a cool place to be, and that's because once you've been here a while you realise that shít that is tolerated on other forums simply isn't allowed here. Drop the severe attitude, show some courtesy towards the other posters and mods and you'll be grand.

Nevyn

rickybutcher wrote:

Mods, this is personal abuse and unacceptable, why hasn't this person been banned? The only person who is bitching here is you, telling me I should have done this and that and the other thing. Worthless contribution.

Firstly if you think that is personal abuse then the gods help you,
it is not like I told you to go suck my cóck.

Secondly if you have an issue with any post here used the report post function to report it.

rickybutcher wrote:

Seems like nobody has read the thread. Other posters went completely off-topic first, completely ignoring the OP's question and being completely unsympathetic.

The thread was read and you know what you are responsible for what you posted and you have to deal with the consquences of what you posted.
If other people were setting themselves on fire would you ?

rickybutcher wrote:

If the rules were in fact THAT strict other posters would have been warned. The fact they weren't leads me to believes that certain opinions are more welcome than others according to the Mods personal opinions and that if you raise your eyebrows at a mod, by pointing out it was actually on-topic, or at least as on-topic as previous threads in the post, you will be treated unfairly.

How do you know that other posters were not warned by pm and really after a mod already posted a warning you failed to heed it and got banned,
again boo hoo take your punishment and learn from it.

You post was completely spurious and quiet frankly idiotic.

rickybutcher wrote:

Beruthiel has proved my point with her intervention, giving me a life ban because I didn't send her hugs and kisses when she banned me.

You curt tone comes across as snotty and condescending and no mod wants to receive such pms from someone foolish enough to break the rules of the charter with a completely spurious and off topic post.

rickybutcher wrote:

The fact the OPs question was completely ignored by other posters in a completely unsympathetic way is being ignored here.

You are not doing yourself any favours but moaning about the moderation of that thread in a thread about you failing to abide by the rules of the charter and failing to comply after a warning in the thread by a mod.

These are two different topics and you should start a separate thread.

rickybutcher wrote:

If there is anything abusive in my PM Beruthiel is free to post it Seamus.

PMS do not have to be strictly abusive to piss people off they can be rude, curt, agressive and dismissive with out resorting to 'bad' language.

So you have a better grasp of language then most of the 'fight da powers' posters but your still thick enough to get the fact that you broke the rules and you get banned.

rickybutcher

Thaedydal wrote:

Firstly if you think that is personal abuse then the gods help you,
it is not like I told you to go suck my cóck.

Secondly if you have an issue with any post here used the report post function to report it.

Seems like in order to be a boards.ie you need to have the sense of humour beaten out of you with a cricket bat.

The thread was read and you know what you are responsible for what you posted and you have to deal with the consquences of what you posted.
If other people were setting themselves on fire would you ?

Waffle. Nonsensical.

How do you know that other posters were not warned by pm and really after a mod already posted a warning you failed to heed it and got banned,
again boo hoo take your punishment and learn from it.

So it's only certain opinions that receives a warning on the thread? Other posters with different opinions get PM'ed?

You post was completely spurious and quiet frankly idiotic.

It was responding to ANOTHER off-topic post, not only that but after I was warned, another poster continued the off-topic discussion and didn't get banned? Same offence. Different result.

PMS do not have to be strictly abusive to piss people off they can be rude, curt, agressive and dismissive with out resorting to 'bad' language.

It was not abusive or aggressive.

Here's a question that I'd like answered:

1 - given there were a 1,000,001 other off-topic posts posted BEFORE I made my comment, posted in a manner completely unsympathetic to the OP? ("So what?" sums it up, would the same response be acceptable in a suicide thread about alcoholism?) why then should an off-topic remark receive the warning? Why not previous off-topic posts?

The only logical explanation is that some off-topic opinions are more welcome than others.

seamus

rickybutcher wrote:

Yet another person who didn't bother reading the thread but feels able to comment. Why then, was Peakoutput not banned or warned if that was the case or if the Mods were following rules rather than a personal whim? As he followed up continuining the off-topic discussion AFTER the warning.

I did read the thread. PeakOutput was attempting to pull it back on topic. While that's not really for him to do, we're not going to ban him for it. You're the one who broke the rules. It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing.

If there is anything abusive in my PM Beruthiel is free to post it.

I never mentioned "abusive". The word I used was "respect".

rickybutcher

Here are some samples of completely off-topic and unkind unsympathetic (alot more unkind than I was to the Mod when I PM'ed her) replies to the OP's question, "Has anyone had these experiences?":

"Maybe there's nothing wrong with ya and he's sick of people claiming disability benefit when all they need is a kick up the h*le..... But then who knows eh? Get the old second opinion and with any luck you'll get on the gravy train."

"here here canis thats it gravy train and the taxpayer getting screwed too many people on that disability for no good reason , the doctor is only there to weed the scammers out"

(From the forum charter: There is zero tolerance for muppetry here, and trolls etc. will not be treated lightly.

Any advice given should be mature, contructive and non-abusive. Opinions are welcome. Ridicule and nastiness are not.

- zero tolerance for 1 opinion, other opinions, perhaps confirming Mod's opinions on the subject - see Victor's post - are tolerated, even if they DO contradict the "strict" forum guidelines)

"Got to be honest - maybe a little harsh - I have little sympathy for you. I too suffer from IBS ( have been hospitalised several times) and am currently on medication for depression...... but I hold down a full time job. "

"The very fact that you say he asked lots of questions to "confuse" you strikes me as if you're a little paranoid. Why in hell would a doctor set out to try to confuse someone he was examining? Did he ask questions you weren't able to give satisfactory answers to perhaps?"

"Yes, he has a right. What did your mother want to sit in for? What age are you OP? Doctor sounded completely professional imo and I'd quit with the narcissism already, I'm sure the doctor had better things to do then to try and "confuse" you."

"Sometimes, when dealing with such matters, a doctor will need to act in what may appear to be a harsh manner." (this by a Mod, completely off-topic, completely ignoring the OP's question)

"TBH I would completely prefer this sort of behavior to weed out the scammers, i know of a few people claiming disability benefit when theres absolutely nothing wrong with them, well .. they can still drink in the pub and stagger home after a feed of drink anyway."

"stick it to the man and all that what a load of crap,"

Why then, was my comment the first to be given a warning, if it wasn't down to the personal whim of a mod? And not down to any genuine feelings on my post? As I've said, some opinions are welcome, others not, Victor the mod's off-topic comments are welcome, mine, when I CONTRADICT his off-topic post, get a warning. Disgraceful.

rickybutcher

You still haven't read the thread.

seamus wrote:

I did read the thread. PeakOutput was attempting to pull it back on topic. While that's not really for him to do, we're not going to ban him for it. You're the one who broke the rules. It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing.
I never mentioned "abusive". The word I used was "respect".

seamus

Grand so, if you believe that then there's no point in me wasting time arguing.

biko

I feel this party kinda fizzled out towards the end.

Nevyn

See that right there

rickybutcher wrote:

It was responding to ANOTHER off-topic post

that is where you went wrong and got banned.

rickybutcher wrote:

not only that but after I was warned, another poster continued the off-topic discussion and didn't get banned? Same offence. Different result.

So really you have given up on whining about being banned and want more people banned to make you feel better ?

rickybutcher wrote:

1 - given there were a 1,000,001 other off-topic posts posted BEFORE I made my comment, posted in a manner completely unsympathetic to the OP? ("So what?" sums it up, would the same response be acceptable in a suicide thread about alcoholism?) why then should an off-topic remark receive the warning? Why not previous off-topic posts?

See I would have considered answering your question but really it was hard to read it considering it started with the idiotic statement that there were a million posts in that thread.

If all those off topic posts came to your notice why didn't you use the report post function ?

rickybutcher

Thaedydal wrote:

So really you have given up on whining about being banned and want more people banned to make you feel better ?

You understand things on a very, very literal level. Of course I don't want him banned, I'm pointing out an inconsistency. I would have thought that was obvious.

See I would have considered answering your question but really it was hard to read it considering it started with the idiotic statement that there were a million posts in that thread.

Is this is a joke? I didn't literally mean a million posts. I was exaggerating the number to emphasise my point. Sorry, I really don't mean to be ugly here, but you sound like you have a mental disability of some sort.

Nevyn

If the first part if idiotic then the second part mostly likely will and really who wants to read idoitic posts.
IF you can not make your point with out fabrication and sticking only to facts then there is no point trying to have a discussion with you.

Oh and I have reported you post as containing personal abuse.

cornbb

rickybutcher wrote:

I'm pointing out an inconsistency

Inconsistencies happen, its like a great big soccer match. Take your yellow card and get over it!

you sound like you have a mental disability of some sort.

You sound like you have some sort of boards.ie deathwish! If you had made your complaint in a pleasant, reasonable manner you might have gotten unbanned from PI by now. As it stands, I can't see you lasting long around here.

Peter Collins

All this could have been stopped with a simple:

Please PM mod involved

[Thread Closed]

There's no need to gang up and try and humiliate the OP.

Fysh

Having read both the thread which led to the ban, and the comedy festival that has been this thread so far, I have to post and say that this is a great example of where the PI mods do a damn fine job, particularly given the attitude and belligerence of the OP.

I wonder if gently nudging the OP in the general direction of the "Why doesn't boards.ie believe in free speech?" thread (also in Feedback) might be beneficial. Somehow, I doubt it - I think s/he is looking for nothing other than an apology and retraction of the ban, both of which are hilariously unlikely to materialise given his/her conduct.

(Also, is just me that's reminded of Rozie's legendary performances in Feedback by this thread?)

cornbb

Peter Collins wrote:

All this could have been stopped with a simple:

Please PM mod involved

[Thread Closed]

There's no need to gang up and try and humiliate the OP.

I think the OP has (or had) a valid argument and expresses himself well tbh, he just went about appealing his ban in a stubborn, pushy manner and wouldn't take the good advice to just chalk it up and move on. Not trying to gang up on him, but Feedback threads often end up like this as they are not very heavily moderated - Feedback threads are seldom locked as it is meant to be a forum for users to complain/offer feedback freely.

Pighead

Peter Collins wrote:

All this could have been stopped with a simple:

Please PM mod involved

[Thread Closed]

There's no need to gang up and try and humiliate the OP.

How dare you try and take away rickbutchers right to talk. The lad opened a thread to air his grievances and you are shouting from the rooftops that the thread should have been locked straight away.

Shame on you Collins. Pighead can see you're no friend of Free Speech.

rickybutcher

cornbb wrote:

Inconsistencies happen, its like a great big soccer match. Take your yellow card and get over it!

It's not merely and inconsistency, is the lack of freedom of speech in Norht Korea and "inconsistency"? (I'm not comparing my plight to that of the North Koreans). Why should one set of opinions be tolerated and another set of opinions be clamped down on and banned just because the mod has a problem with them? Which is what happened in my book.

The mod didn't have a problem with :"Maybe there's nothing wrong with ya and he's sick of people claiming disability benefit when all they need is a kick up the h*le..... But then who knows eh? Get the old second opinion and with any luck you'll get on the gravy train." and in fact joined in agreeing with him, but did have a problem with my remark. I find that peculiar. I've no option but to conclude the mod isn't fit for the job and bases opinions on a personal whim. It's a power trip for this person. Does nobody else think this is a bad thing? Surely boards.ie wants more users who'll contribute, not less.

You sound like you have some sort of boards.ie deathwish! If you had made your complaint in a pleasant, reasonable manner you might have gotten unbanned from PI by now. As it stands, I can't see you lasting long around here.

"Idiot", "prat", "suck my cock", "idiotic".....I give up.

rickybutcher

Fysh wrote:

Having read both the thread which led to the ban, and the comedy festival that has been this thread so far, I have to post and say that this is a great example of where the PI mods do a damn fine job, particularly given the attitude and belligerence of the OP.

I wonder if gently nudging the OP in the general direction of the "Why doesn't boards.ie believe in free speech?" thread (also in Feedback) might be beneficial. Somehow, I doubt it - I think s/he is looking for nothing other than an apology and retraction of the ban, both of which are hilariously unlikely to materialise given his/her conduct.

(Also, is just me that's reminded of Rozie's legendary performances in Feedback by this thread?)

To be honest I couldn't care less about posting to PI for a week, or a month or forever. It's not the point, it's the petty, silly and pointless abuse of power that irritates me and the fact the Mods here are so robotically stupid and Nazi-like.

nesf

You stuck your oar in after a mod warned you to get back on topic and got a temp ban for it. I don't really see the problem here tbh.

rickybutcher

I've asked specific questions on this thread and have given very specific examples. Everybody is ignoring them and merely copying and pasting the same reply, "you broke the rules, you got a ban, I agree with the mods deciserROR erROR".

Fysh

I'd disagree about the expressing himself well - while I can just about see where he's coming from in terms of his posts in the original thread, he didnt explain his point in this post and then, when asked to clarify it, posted here in which he is rude to Victor and makes a nonsensical point (essentially, that living in an affluent area would mean you couldn't have any valid experience of claiming disability benefit).

The OP's a relative newcomer to boards judging by the postcount and as such maybe deserves some leniency; however, the attitude displayed so far doesn't suggest that there's any great benefit to the community by reinstating the OP's posting ability. Hell, if he doesn't respect the Mods when asking for a ban to be clarified, why should he respect anyone else when he's posting?

tbh

why do you think that is?

cornbb

rickybutcher wrote:

"Idiot", "prat", "suck my cock", "idiotic".....I give up.

Ok, until I reread that bit I thought those comments were directed at me.

I can see why you have grievances. boards is a great place to be, once you've been here a little while you get to learn a few things such as:

- There is no freedom of speech
- You get little sympathy in Feedback, especially if you are pushy and don't listen to good advice, or post tired old clichés such as "the Mods here are so robotically stupid and Nazi-like"
- You don't get away with being rude (or even curt) to Smods in the PI forum
- Life is not fair sometimes

nesf

rickybutcher wrote:

I've asked specific questions on this thread and have given very specific examples. Everybody is ignoring them and merely copying and pasting the same reply, "you broke the rules, you got a ban, I agree with the mods deciserROR erROR".

Look, I'm just being honest with you. It doesn't matter if someone is a good contributor or not, if a moderator gives a warning and you argue the warning afterwards you normally will get banned for it. It's nothing specific to your case, it's more of a general rule on this site. Don't take it personally or anything.

Nevyn

rickybutcher wrote:

To be honest I couldn't care less about posting to PI for a week, or a month or forever.

Fair enough can't say you will be missed.

rickybutcher wrote:

It's not the point, it's the petty, silly and pointless abuse of power that irritates me and the fact the Mods here are so robotically stupid and Nazi-like.

If you don't like the ethos of the site and how it is run then why not try
http://forums.somethingawful.com/ http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum
or http://www.4chan.org/ instead.

Fysh

Thaedydal wrote:

If you don't like the ethos of the site and how it is run then why not try
http://forums.somethingawful.com/ http://www.gaiaonline.com/forum
or http://www.4chan.org/ instead.

Ah jaysus, encouraging people to look at 4chan is just cruel. Next thing you know he'll look at /b/ by mistake and then, after the sound of exploding eyeballs, we'll have another person queuing up to claim disability benefit. (On the other hand, poetic justice I guess )

That said, in terms of sites with a less restrictive ethos, I'd say Something Awful is probably the best one to go for. Though even they don't like belligerent idiots much from what I remember; they just deal with them via outright flamewars...

Nevyn

Hey there are plenty of very work safe and ordinary picture on 4chan of food and other things....

Tis not like I linked him to Yaoi....

rickybutcher

So then, it's acceptable to for a mod to come down on Arsenal fans the most, or Sinn Féin supporters the most, to Bertie supporters etc? If boards.ie is and should be run, according to you, on the basis of a Mod's personal whims then all that is acceptable. Freedom of speech IS important, otherwise what's the point of even logging if only one set of opinions counts?

Still nobody deals with the examples I've given. When there is no answer it's best to say nothing I suppose.

cornbb wrote:

Ok, until I reread that bit I thought those comments were directed at me.

I can see why you have grievances. boards is a great place to be, once you've been here a little while you get to learn a few things such as:

- There is no freedom of speech
- You get little sympathy in Feedback, especially if you are pushy and don't listen to good advice, or post tired old clichés such as "the Mods here are so robotically stupid and Nazi-like"
- You don't get away with being rude (or even curt) to Smods in the PI forum
- Life is not fair sometimes