Hits the Bad beat and splits the pot

Ace2007

Heard that the bad beat was won last nite in a very strange hand

Player A had AQ
Player B had AK

Board was AAKKQ, split pot but bad beat - do you think this is right???

bohsman

Its not a bad beat by any stretch of the imagination, playerB isnt using both hole cards for one thing.

5starpool

I am surprised that this happened in this way. I was amazed to hear it last night in the Fitz. The rules are clear, and have been since it opened. The river K killed the bad beat.

El Stuntman

sounds like a rigged inside job to me if they paid out on a split pot

bohsman

Id love to slag the Fitz off but I really dont need to, theyre doing such a good job of running a great poker room into the ground all on their own.

Ace2007

bohsman wrote:

Id love to slag the Fitz off but I really dont need to, theyre doing such a good job of running a great poker room into the ground all on their own.

i knew i shouldn't have opened my mouth about this - is this "everyone against the fitz week?"

bohsman

No, I gave up on the Fitz around 6 months ago.

5starpool

Ace2007 wrote:

i knew i shouldn't have opened my mouth about this - is this "everyone against the fitz week?"

What did you expect when you started this thread? This one really is indefensible. I am just shocked that the dealer involved did not realise or know the rules properly.

Ace2007

5starpool wrote:

What did you expect when you started this thread? This one really is indefensible. I am just shocked that the dealer involved did not realise or know the rules properly.

i never mentioned the fitz....

i was told of the incident by a player on the table... who said that the dealer said it was a bad beat...

bohsman

It really should be a poker beaten in holdem anyway to stop any confusion, its a house of aces over jacks BEATEN using both hole cards but if the board is AAA and one person has KK the other QQ it doesnt qualify.

5starpool

Ace2007 wrote:

i never mentioned the fitz....

i was told of the incident by a player on the table... who said that the dealer said it was a bad beat...

A rocket science degree would not be needed to work this out. Also, someone who wouldn't have known would ask 'Where was this', someone would answer and so on. Also, Most of your posts have been Fitz related.

Ace2007

bohsman wrote:

It really should be a poker beaten in holdem anyway to stop any confusion, its a house of aces over jacks BEATEN using both hole cards but if the board is AAA and one person has KK the other QQ it doesnt qualify.

correct me if i'm wrong, if the board is say As AKQJ(all hearts) and i have AA, and u have 10h 2s, thats a bad beat - isnt' it?

bohsman

no, both hole cards must be used.

5starpool

Ace2007 wrote:

correct me if i'm wrong, if the board is say As AKQJ(all hearts) and i have AA, and u have 10h 2s, thats a bad beat - isnt' it?

No. What Bohsman has said above is correct. You can get a poker beaten in Holdem and not get the bad beat jackpot. Omaha there is no confusion since you must use two hole cards anyhow.

Ace2007

5starpool wrote:

A rocket science degree would not be needed to work this out. Also, someone who wouldn't have known would ask 'Where was this', someone would answer and so on. Also, Most of your posts have been Fitz related.

true enough, was just that the player who told me, said that " the american on the table (we both know who) was questioning about it not been a bad beat" but i don't think he said anything to whoever was on the floor...

Jesus Wept

good jaysais, what are they doing in that establishment?

Between this and the other thread?

My mind is boggling.

Ace2007

5starpool wrote:

No. What Bohsman has said above is correct. You can get a poker beaten in Holdem and not get the bad beat jackpot. Omaha there is no confusion since you must use two hole cards anyhow.

are u sure about this rule, cause i remember asking something similar, and the answer i got was - "the looser has to use both his cards".

and thats why we love omaha -

p.s remember that nite ages ago(think it was a sunday) anyhow some guy sat down with a few hundered, and it appeared to me and you that he didn't realised that you must use 2 and only 2 cards in ur hand - luckly for him he had the winning hand in most the big pots, but it did appear that he didn't know. think he declared a hand.

bohsman

winner and loser both have to use both hole cards.

Samba

The mind boggles (my most hated expression )

Last time i checked it was called the bad beat jackpot.

This is only the tip of the ice berg, i won't even start about the shenanigans I witnessed players pulling that back in the day would have been reprimanded

El Stuntman

bohsman wrote:

It really should be a poker beaten in holdem anyway to stop any confusion, its a house of aces over jacks BEATEN using both hole cards but if the board is AAA and one person has KK the other QQ it doesnt qualify.

yes it does, I have been at a table that the BB jackpot has been paid out on with an AAA board, player 1 holding QQ, player 2 with JJ

5starpool

Ace2007 wrote:

are u sure about this rule, cause i remember asking something similar, and the answer i got was - "the looser has to use both his cards".

and thats why we love omaha -

p.s remember that nite ages ago(think it was a sunday) anyhow some guy sat down with a few hundered, and it appeared to me and you that he didn't realised that you must use 2 and only 2 cards in ur hand - luckly for him he had the winning hand in most the big pots, but it did appear that he didn't know. think he declared a hand.

I am 100% how the bad beat works in there, pity all the staff aren't it seems.

There have been several players like that who sit down in Omaha. What I hope happens is that they jam money off the other players at the table and then donk it to me not realising what they are doing. Usually if I notice someone has no idea I tell them they must use 2 from their hand. I know convention says not to tap the fishtank, but in this case I like to give them some chance in the game.

Ace2007

no i'm fairly sure that the one with the 3 AAA on the borad isn't....

5starpool

El Stuntman wrote:

yes it does, I have been at a table that the BB jackpot has been paid out on with an AAA board, player 1 holding QQ, player 2 with JJ

It counts in the SE, not in the Fitz. One card in your hand must be an A if the qualifying hand is a house.

El Stuntman

5starpool wrote:

It counts in the SE, not in the Fitz. One card in your hand must be an A if the qualifying hand is a house.

wtf? why?

lol, the other rules are that it must be between 1am and 2am, the dealer must be left-handed and the winning player must have precisely 4 vowels in his/her name...they're just as arbitrary

bohsman

Must use two from your hand in holdem is fairly arbitrary aswell.

Macspower

just reading this...can anyone actually confirm that the BB jackpot was paid out on this hand? or is it she said that he said that she said?

Cuban Son

bohsman wrote:

Must use two from your hand in holdem is fairly arbitrary aswell.

I've played on a table in the Fitz where the bad beat was won before.
The board came AKK K X. Player A had AA. Player B had K6.

Luke was called over to verify the beat as the dealer wasn't sure. Luke awarded it as a beat. Only the loser needed to use two cards.
In the case of house of Aces full, two players must have an Ace and use two cards. Against quads or straight flush only the loser had to use two cards.

Positive of this.

Ace2007

yea i was luke who said to me about - "loser has to use both cards" - but since he is no longer in fitz - i wasn't going to start namin ppl - but since u have paul i might as well

Paul in the situation regarding this thread- was it or wasn't it a bad beat ?

Marq

only the loser must use both cards in the fitz.
so the above example of quads losing to a straight flush with four of the straight flush on board is a bad beat.
I don't know what the hell happened the other night, it's utterly incorrect.

Ace2007

The story i was told from a player on the table was that the board came

AAKQK

one player had AQ and the other AK - so basically the river killed the bad beat...

El Stuntman

Ace2007 wrote:

Heard that the bad beat was won last nite in a very strange hand

Player A had AQ
Player B had AK

Board was AAKKQ, split pot but bad beat - do you think this is right???

VERSION 1

Ace2007 wrote:

The story i was told from a player on the table was that the board came

AAKQK

one player had AQ and the other AK - so basically the river killed the bad beat...

VERSION 1.1

Ace, you're an idiot

Ace2007

how am i an idiot -

version 1 - i said the board WAS AAKKQ
version 2 - i said the bored CAME AAKQK

doesn't matter how the cards came down - does it???

5starpool

El Stuntman wrote:

VERSION 1



VERSION 1.1

Ace, you're an idiot

You should know better than that, no personal abuse please. Both versions are the same, only one had the board in chronological order, the other has it in descending order. I wasn't aware of the losing hand only needing to use both when a straight flush or quads is the winner., so I humbly acknowledge that my information is not as complete as I thought it was.

Cuban Son

You know this wouldn't have happened,



Not on my watch!

nicryan

well I'll tell you now that I was the dealer in question. I had called the bad beat and called over denise before I'd actually looked at the river card. yes I made a mistake and it was wrong to award it but I'm only human.

*shrug*


Nic

Ace2007

nicryan wrote:

well I'll tell you now that I was the dealer in question. I had called the bad beat and called over denise before I'd actually looked at the river card. yes I made a mistake and it was wrong to award it but I'm only human.

*shrug*


Nic

the stress of poker supervisor(i think thats what ur name badge says).

i'm joking nic btw

i didn't mean to create a big fuss about it - i was just curious about it.
Can't believe the month i give up poker the bad beat is won once/twice on the main holdem table

Shadowless

El Stuntman wrote:

Ace, you're a degenerate

FYP

Macspower

Ace2007 wrote:

The story i was told from a player on the table was that the board came

AAKQK

one player had AQ and the other AK - so basically the river killed the bad beat...

So the BB wasn't claimed....? thats all I was wondering....

Ace2007

it was paid out

LuckyLloyd

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bohsman

Did nobody look at the river? Was the pot given to AK? The second AQ asks for half the pot the dealer/floor should see that its actually a split pot and not a bad beat

Who was given the bigger share? AK surely as he was about to win the pot till he was rivered.

Ace2007

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Nic made an honest mistake - I'm sure he hasn't made many.

But who the fcuk is running the floor presently in the Fitz? Is Denise doing it on her own?

does it matter if she's doin it on her own???
it was a mistake - not the end of the world...

Ace2007

bohsman wrote:

Did nobody look at the river? Was the pot given to AK? The second AQ asks for half the pot the dealer/floor should see that its actually a split pot and not a bad beat

Who was given the bigger share? AK surely as he was about to win the pot till he was rivered.

Pot was split and AQ got the bad beat end. just for the record i wasn't at the table- just told by a player who was, who didn't thnk it was a bad beat - but wasn't going to say anything - getting around €160 for keeping ur mouth shut seems like a good deal.

Macspower

Ace2007 wrote:

it was paid out

:eek: :eek: :eek:

LuckyLloyd

This post has been deleted.

sikes

lol

Ace2007

i'm not being defensive - i'm just saying mistakes are made.

The reason i made the thread was to see if it was - cause i thought someone on here would know for defo, it wasn't to start on anyone, guess i won't be making any threads of this nature again.


i have no idea who was on the floor at the time, but i do know that the structure was changed where by, you have a manger and supervisors now as well.... and i don't think this is revelent.

bell_boy

Ace2007 wrote:

Pot was split and AQ got the bad beat end. just for the record i wasn't at the table- just told by a player who was, who didn't thnk it was a bad beat - but wasn't going to say anything - getting around €160 for keeping ur mouth shut seems like a good deal.

What would you do? If it only affected me, I would have pointed it out more vigorously. The big change isn't the 160 the table, but rather the 3000 and 1500 to the two winners.

Some people love the big bad beat jackpots and I guess you can think of it as a reward on average for people who play frequently including those with smaller bankrolls. I personally don't like the pots being raked for the jackpot, so I would rather it be paid out uniformly and frequently.

MickL

if i was still allowed play cash games id be pissed at the fact im after been payin into that bad beat and it has been handed out when it shouldn have been

nicryan

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Let me rephrase. Since Luke's departure, could someone let me know who is currently running the poker in the Fitz? Thank you in advance.

it is denise who's running the floor in there now.


Nic

Ace2007

Any chance that this thread could be locked - getting OT at this stage. Thanks