Eamon O Hara

blackbelt

Well I thought I'd start this thread for relief purposes and also to pick on somebody else.This year the level of double standards is p1ssing me off and the amount of talk about the Dublin team and players makes me feel disappointed.

Basically,I find it sickening that an intercounty player publicly comes out with tripe promoting violence in the game.O Hara says he admires Rooney for not hitting Vaughan but says he should have.Well before O Hara came out with this,I tipped him to be in with a chance of getting an all-star but now I hope he doesn't.Some people have said that punishments should be handed down to the Dublin three for simply showboating in order to prevent a bust up but publicly bringing the game into the crapper deserves a suspension of some sort.

This is way worse than anything that happened on Sunday in my opinion but nothing has been mentioned.So what are peoples view on this.

What are peoples views on this?

stepbar

blackbelt wrote:

This year the level of double standards is p1ssing me off

Basically,I find it sickening that an intercounty player publicly comes out with tripe promoting violence in the game.O Hara says he admires Rooney for not hitting Vaughan but says he should have.

Vaughan will get a box someday. He already got one in Coppers a while back. O Hara is right, Rooney should have hit him for acting the bolox. But fair play to O Hara for saying that he admires him for not doing it.

blackbelt wrote:

Some people have said that punishments should be handed down to the Dublin three for simply showboating in order to prevent a bust up but publicly bringing the game into the crapper deserves a suspension of some sort.

This is way worse than anything that happened on Sunday in my opinion but nothing has been mentioned.So what are peoples view on this.

What are peoples views on this?

You are joking surely It sounds like you are getting desperate when you try to compare the two.

An Citeog

stepbar wrote:

Vaughan will get a box someday. He already got one in Coppers a while back. O Hara is right, Rooney should have hit him for acting the bolox. But fair play to O Hara for saying that he admires him for not doing it.

Define "acting the bolox". Does that mean that anybody doing this on the pitch deserves a box. What about a corner-back pulling at a forwards shirt or other players making comments about taking the law into their own hands? Who cares about what happens off the pitch? :rolleyes:

meathman 007

blackbelt wrote:

Well I thought I'd start this thread for relief purposes and also to pick on somebody else.This year the level of double standards is p1ssing me off and the amount of talk about the Dublin team and players makes me feel disappointed.

Basically,I find it sickening that an intercounty player publicly comes out with tripe promoting violence in the game.O Hara says he admires Rooney for not hitting Vaughan but says he should have.Well before O Hara came out with this,I tipped him to be in with a chance of getting an all-star but now I hope he doesn't.Some people have said that punishments should be handed down to the Dublin three for simply showboating in order to prevent a bust up but publicly bringing the game into the crapper deserves a suspension of some sort.

This is way worse than anything that happened on Sunday in my opinion but nothing has been mentioned.So what are peoples view on this.

What are peoples views on this?

mods this is not a personal abuse on blackbelt - but im just going to point out a few things about what he has posted.......
Im so fed up of your posts blackbelt.....the posts you have made really does indicate that you are a hypocrit..... the thread you have started giving out about o'hara is laughable...... lets just state a few facts first - if you were to ask anyone imparcial about what the dublin players did last week - they would tell you that they were lucky not to end up in hospital for what they did....... that is not promoting violence - its simply stating that if a person acts in a certain way, they are asking to get the head taken off them - fact - that is the society we live in. O'hara was not promoting violence by what he said - he was simply pointing out what most of the country was thinking when they saw the incident. - none of this would have been an issue if the dublins could of been good winners and not have acted like idiots...
Its unbelievable - you come on here constantly abusing geraghty and yet completely disregard anything your beloved dublin players do.... its gone beyond a joke at this stage...... everyone knows that geraghty has a dodgy character, but if you want to call a spade a spade - you could call every dublin player a thug after what happened against tyrone in the 'battle of omagh' - but no you seem to forget about every negative act a dublin player takes part in. I am a huge fan of meath football - but i can easily take a step back and objectively analyse things when it comes to meath football - its obvious that when it comes to dublin you can not do this. Any comments that you make regarding dublin really do have to be taken with a pinch of salt.....

As usual, you will brush me off as a bitter meath fan (again please remind me what i have to be bitter about?!) - however the comments you have made over the last few weeks are there for all to see.....

stepbar

An Citeog wrote:

Define "acting the bolox". Does that mean that anybody doing this on the pitch deserves a box. What about a corner-back pulling at a forwards shirt or other players making comments about taking the law into their own hands? Who cares about what happens off the pitch? :rolleyes:

Great example to be showing the young kids who aspire to play GAA. Maybe "antagonising the opposition" might be a better word for "acting the bolox". But at the end of the day, Rooney is a bigger man for not reacting. But as I've said Vaughan will get a box one day and TBH I'll be crying crocodile tears for him when he does. Maybe its time the GAA stepped up to the mark and doled out a few 1 match suspensions.

An Citeog

stepbar wrote:

Great example to be showing the young kids who aspire to play GAA. Maybe "antagonising the opposition" might be a better word for "acting the bolox". But at the end of the day, Rooney is a bigger man for not reacting. But as I've said Vaughan will get a box one day and TBH I'll be crying crocodile tears for him when he does. Maybe its time the GAA stepped up to the mark and doled out a few 1 match suspensions.

If you start doling out suspensions for this, where are you supposed to stop. Antagonising the other player is what every back tries to do. Some do it by constantly talking crap in the opponents ear, a few little nudges here and there. This is nothing new and can be seen at all levels in the game. This has already been discussed in a lot more detail in another thread, so I'm not going to go over whether Vaughan should have reacted like that to Rooney. I'm sure Vaughan is well used to being singled out for attention and getting the odd punch. I somehow doubt he's worried about your crocodile tears!

blackbelt

Meathman,saying that a full back should have hit a man for gesturing is disgusting.The double standards I've been talking about is the criticism and scrutinisation of the Dublin players and team BUT YET when another county or player does something similar its not given the time of day.We'll never know exactly what Rooney said to Vaughan before the throw in.He could have been goading him with personal insults.

Three things Meathman

1.If you fed up with my posts then don't read them.It won't upset me in the slightest.

2.Striking somebody once or three times in a match is way worse than going ott in celebrations and reactions to goading etc.

3.Eamon O Hara,a man who played brilliant football,is not advertising the ideal image of the game.Some parent or kid who picks up a paper to read that may be discouragd from bringing their kid to football matches.There is no excuse for violence in the game period.

The fact that no thread or hardly a mention of what he said goes to show that there is a level of blindness here.As Flukey said to me,we Dublin fans but we are also fans of GAA from Dublin and what I read O Hara say made my blood boil.I won't acknowledge him as an all-star if he gets it due to his disgraceful remarks.

redzerdrog

blackbelt wrote:

Well I thought I'd start this thread for relief purposes and also to pick on somebody else.This year the level of double standards is p1ssing me off and the amount of talk about the Dublin team and players makes me feel disappointed.

Basically,I find it sickening that an intercounty player publicly comes out with tripe promoting violence in the game.O Hara says he admires Rooney for not hitting Vaughan but says he should have.Well before O Hara came out with this,I tipped him to be in with a chance of getting an all-star but now I hope he doesn't.Some people have said that punishments should be handed down to the Dublin three for simply showboating in order to prevent a bust up but publicly bringing the game into the crapper deserves a suspension of some sort.

This is way worse than anything that happened on Sunday in my opinion but nothing has been mentioned.So what are peoples view on this.

What are peoples views on this?

get a grip of yourself blackbelt you are a banana.

stepbar

blackbelt wrote:

The fact that no thread or hardly a mention of what he said goes to show that there is a level of blindness here.As Flukey said to me,we Dublin fans but we are also fans of GAA from Dublin and what I read O Hara say made my blood boil.I won't acknowledge him as an all-star if he gets it due to his disgraceful remarks.

What about Ciaran Whelan? Will you stop acknowledging him? What about Greame Geraghty, Peter Cavanan etc?

6ix

blackbelt wrote:

BUT YET when another county or player does something similar its not given the time of day.

In all fairness to everyone - when do players from other counties do the whole goading/showmanship that the dubs do?

I say this honestly -- if Dublin didn't do all that crap, I'd like to see them win an All-Ireland.

The current squad have some talented players who I love to watch, but their showmanship completely puts me off - I find it a horrible trait, and I think this is part of where the resentment lies for many people.

As a child/teenager (originally from Connaught), I always preferred Dublin to Meath when watching Leinster games, as Meath were the dirtier side at the time (IMO - but please let's not get into that). I also enjoyed the banter of the Dubs any time I went to Croker.

Now, all that has changed, and the levels of hype and showmanship have stopped me, as a neutral, from enjoying Dublin football.

Lemlin

I admire O'Hara for saying what everyone else was thinking. The Dublin management and fans are getting unfair scrutiny they say - why pull crap like this?

It has no place in a GAA match. Celebrating victory before a match is over is something I've never even seen done in a club match. It made my blood boil to see the Dublin players do it. Their actions were disgraceful and showed they had no respect for their opponents.

Would you see the Kerry players do the same? I'm sure if the Laois players done it Blackbelt you'd be on here saying the same. Its about time you lost the blue tinted glasses.

It seems that as each match passes, the Dublin team take a step closer to becoming the English soccer team. They really are getting caught up in their own media circus.

6ix

The English soccer team would not get away with goading like that by the way.

Here's a link to Ruud Van Nistelrooy being booked for goading an opponent after he scored.It's during an international match between the Netherlands and Andorra. The opponent wound him up about missing a penalty, so when he eventually scored he got in the Andorra player's face & got himself a yellow card.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=eJmlwTGyKaQ

gucci

fair play to ohara hes right in my opinion in so far as alot of people would have lashed out in such a situation.....strange thing is ohara has often been a great man for the show boating in his day and rising other players on his day. although i cant say iv witnessed him doing anything as blatently brainless as the dublin guys last week.

van nistelrooys celebration is kinda more funny than antagonising

Lemlin

I think its utter crap to say he's promoting violence too. He's expressing his opinion that the Dublin lads shouldn't of celebrated like that before the end of the match. At no point does he say people should be punching each other.

I think its a case of Blackbelt twisting O'Hara's comments because they aren't pro Dub brigade.

Nalced_irl

I think what O Hara said was wrong, once i have it correct that Rooney "Should" have hit him. Fair enough if he said he would have hit him but saying he "Should" is wrong. I dont see how anyone can say that O Hara saying you should deck a guy in that situation is not promoting violence to a degree. Of course it is. Also, Van Nistelroys celebration shows something else. The reaction of the commentator. The Irish nation seems to be up in arms over this (well, as far as boards shows anyway) and the commentator laughs at Ruuds celebration. I honestly think way too much is being made of this. Yes it was unsporting but its not the first and certainly not the last time this will happen. It almost seems that people expect that GAA will remain pure and completely sporting and the complete anti-soccer until the end of time but at the end of the day, it is a sport and things like this will happen. Its nothing to lose your blob over

yabadabado

i really dislike o'hara (some comments he make a few years ago about a county from connaught) but i totally agree with what he said alot of people wud have given vaughan a dig.that type of **** has no place in the gaa dont care who does it.i really like watching this dublin team they play good football and id like to see them win AI. goin to croker for a dublin game is one of the best atmospheres iv witnessed in any sport but that stuff leaves an ugly taste.

monosharp

blackbelt wrote:

Well I thought I'd start this thread for relief purposes and also to pick on somebody else.This year the level of double standards is p1ssing me off and the amount of talk about the Dublin team and players makes me feel disappointed.

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Double standards ?? I bought a newspaper at the start of last years championship after the opening round of the hurling. A football hadn't being kicked at this stage and yet what was most of the GAA coverage in the newspaper about ?

Double standards when Dublins concerned ? All i can say is BAH!

Basically,I find it sickening that an intercounty player publicly comes out with tripe promoting violence in the game.O Hara says he admires Rooney for not hitting Vaughan but says he should have.

He bloody well should have! I would have and i think anyone here who plays football and has an opposition player act like that would say the same thing.
What Vaughan did was the equivalent of saying "Please, please, please break my f'ing jaw because i'm acting like a complete twat".

Everyone takes and gets abuse in a match. You get **** whispered in your ear, you get little diggs into your side, you get pulled, pushed, kicked, tripped. Look at a hurling match between Cork and Tipp, as Ger Canning put it, "theres no quarter given and none expected".

There are certain things though, that you don't do.

I take, and i have taken a lot of ****e in matches and i've never got into "handbags" with anyone. But if Vaughan did that to me i'd break his f'ing jaw without thinking twice.

It was completely disrespectful, i never thought i'd see such carry on from children nevermind a supposedly grown man.

kaimera

I won't acknowledge him as an all-star if he gets it due to his disgraceful remarks

But what if any of the DUB players involved get AS awards?
That's perfectly fine I suppose?

They were out of line; a mono said it's was disrespectful and tbqh it's harder to rid oneself of that kind of image.

monosharp

kaimera wrote:

But what if any of the DUB players involved get AS awards?
That's perfectly fine I suppose?

They were out of line; a mono said it's was disrespectful and tbqh it's harder to rid oneself of that kind of image.

Exactly.

You can forgive a lad for doing a lot of ****e, you expect a certain amount of ****e from your marker. You expect sly comments in the ear, you expect a digg, a bit of physical stuff off the ball and beyond the rules but you don't expect a childish spoiled brat act like what Vaughan did.

We've all done it and got it in return.

Its not that Vaughan was celebrating and "sticking" it to the Laois lads, its how he did it.

Why don't you (Blackbelt) take a look at Eamon O'Hara's goal and how he "Celebrated" it in the Connacht Final. Now take into account that Dublin were favourites while noone gave Sligo a holy hope in hell, especially the Galway team and management.

I'll never forget a story i was told at a Munster final a few years ago.

Tony Reddan, the Tipp goalkeeper at the time was saving everything. Cork’s Willie John Daly approached Jack Lynch, by then a TD, at corner forward. “Will you get into the square and do something about Reddan - he’s breaking our hearts.” Lynch nodded. “Right. Next time you get a ball out around the middle of field, lob a high one into the square and I’ll take care of Reddan.” Moments later Daly dispatched. Reddan positioned himself to seize the dropping ball. Lynch saw his opportunity and charged in from the left. But Tony spotted him, swiftly grabbed, sidestepped and cleared, while Lynch crashed into the goalpost, ending up in the net. As he was picking himself up, Tony turned to him and said: “F*k you Lynch. The next f*ing time you try that there’ll be an early f*ing by election in Cork!”

An attempt at violence and a threat of violence. But was it disrespectful ? Absolutely not.

What Vaughan did was disrespectful, disrespectful to himself, disrespectful to the Laois players and disrespectful to the game. He played to the mob on the hill like a spoiled child would do and the worst thing was a lot of the hill loved it.

You know, i used to love seeing Dublin do well. Especially against Meath and Kerry, they have such a great footballing tradition.

Now i can't wait til they're beaten each year and everytime i question whether i should be so much against them they give fresh new reasons like clockwork.

The last two years have really taken the biscuit, the disgraceful acts at last years semi-final really was well above and beyond the line.

You don't own the f'ing hill, your not walking out on old trafford, and you have as much sportsmanship as Chelsea. And you know what, i believe a lot of the blame can be placed with Caffrey. He seems to be instilling this thuggish, unsportsmanlike behaviour in them.

K-9

There was a lot of controversy about Donaghy's reaction last year when he scored that goal. He said himself that he was getting abuse in the first half and Bellew was using every trick in the book to keep him quite. He scored his goal, did the mouthing and got on with it. Aplologised publicly later and showed the respect he had for Bellew.

Donaghy was a man about it, admitted he was wrong, but explained the cirumstances. Maybe something from the Dublin players explaining why they felt the need to do what they did would help? Maybe it was personal abuse and not just Dublin cockiness?

Just hope they will be as open as Donaghy was in explaining it and apologising. He was twice the man for it.

Lemlin

Fact is that what happened has no place on a GAA pitch. As I said, ya wouldn't even seen that disrespect shown in a club game.

Dublin complain about 31 counties being against them but the conduct last Sunday is exactly why.

I wouldn't mind but Bonner was one of the main protagonists and he'd just come onto the pitch and had done relatively nothing in the game but was boasting like he had. Pure cockiness.

It's not the first time he's been involved in controversey either. He was one of the main men involved in the brawl in Tyrone and I also hear he was involved in a huge brawl a year or two ago at a club game.

Like I said, the Dublin players need to stop getting caught up in their own media frenzy. Wait until they lose (yet again) and the media forget their heroes and rip into them once more until next year.

monosharp

Lemlin wrote:

Wait until they lose (yet again) and the media forget their heroes and rip into them once more until next year.

You know, i honestly used to enjoy seeing the Dubs do well. Used to have great banter with the fans before, during and after matches.

But the last few years, i honestly look forward to seeing them knocked out. Its like Christmas, you know its coming but it always seems so far away.

Lemlin

monosharp wrote:

You know, i honestly used to enjoy seeing the Dubs do well. Used to have great banter with the fans before, during and after matches.

But the last few years, i honestly look forward to seeing them knocked out. Its like Christmas, you know its coming but it always seems so far away.

I have no problem with Dublin doing well. If they act like they deserve it on the pitch. Scenes like last weekend's make them look big headed and that is why people would prefer to see other, more honest sides do better.

I can't stand Tyrone because of all the play acting their players do but they'd still never disrespect opponents like what went on last weekend.

Nalced_irl

Actually Lemlin, last time Tyrone played the Dubs in CP (not the league, the replay in the AI) towards the end of the game after they had it won, their keeper turned to the Hill and started kissing the crest and celebrating like mad to us. Exactly the same imo.

bohsboy

Absolutely fantastic to still see the whinging going on here a week later. Its further strenghtening the siege mentality for the dubs - 31 v 1, "no-one likes us, we dont care", etc.

I pray we get Sligo at some stage, O hara will be hounded left right and centre.

Keep the moaning coming lads, we're loving it.

stepbar

Great to see it started by a dub too......

I wonder will the Sligo fans boo Ciaran Whelan?

Nalced_irl

Why would they stepbar?

bohsboy

Started by a Dub indeed but they just keep chomping at the bait. Loving it.:D

blackbelt

Oh yes Eamon O Hara,an amateur sportsman and hero in Sligo and many people admire him until he comes out with that crap about another player who should have punched a man on tv and in front of a sold out Croke Park...what a role model.:rolleyes: Who asked him for his opinion anyway?

Yet,we have Lemlin the righteous man :rolleyes: saying that O Hara is not promoting violence by saying Rooney should have hit him but admires him for not doing so.I bet if somebody like Cluxton or Brogan said somebody should hit somebody else,all you anti-Dublin brigade members would be up in arms and swarming this forum complaining.A perfect example of double standards.

Also comparing the Dublin team in GAA to the England national soccer team is hilarious.Some of you need to get a grip.Two different sports with two completely different player profiles and characteristics.So who are we going to compare?Oh wait Shane Ryan is like Paul Scholes and Jason Sherlock is like Ryan Giggs.Keep up the antics lads because its very entertaining.

On a side note,some of you are taking this very personally by saying "he should have bloody well hit him"...absolutely comical.Win,lose or draw when a person has goaded me or shouted in my face or celebrated I simply laugh it off.Then they can't get back at you and they actually get frustrated.Vaughan was a bit ott but again he has the reputation of being a hot head right?Better to score a cracking goal and stick it than loaf your oppenent in the face after he's had a few words in your ear

You guys will try and make something out of nothing but the issue this thread is about is not me,its about O Haras comments which were disgraceful.Laois have only themselves to blame for the pushing and shoving when those actions were inconsequential to the result at the end.What I saw was Rooney et al trying to goad some Dublin players into getting sent off.The reaction from Brogan in particular was classic,point to the scoreboard and hurt them that way and celebrate.Trying to start a ruckus because you are losing is unsporting.

kaimera

Trying to start a ruckus because you are losing is unsporting.

This is very true as well.

news for you

Nalced_irl wrote:

Actually Lemlin, last time Tyrone played the Dubs in CP (not the league, the replay in the AI) towards the end of the game after they had it won, their keeper turned to the Hill and started kissing the crest and celebrating like mad to us. Exactly the same imo.

That's quite a feat considering the Tyrone keeper was defending the Canal End goal in the second half...