Digiweb 088 to launch Monday

nilhg

Sorry if this has been posted before

From Digiwebs July business news letter



"Mobile Broadband Available from Monday

Next Generation Mobile Broadband

Back in May, we announced details on our Mobile Broadband plans after being awarded the 088 mobile number. If you are in the Fingal County area and would like to get your hands on the hottest technology around, contact our Business team on 1800 94 1000 for pricing and plans - you won't be disappointed!

If you're not in the Fingal area, don't worry - we are also taking interest checks from other areas, so here is your chance to be ahead of the crowd on Mobile Broadband."

Urban Weigl

Coverage is going to be poor compared to 3, Vodafone and even O2 for now. But that will hopefully improve quickly, I know they plan to have virtually 100% coverage eventually (I don't know when). I will certainly be holding my breath.

johnplayerblue

God dam this is good news. Anyone got stats on speeds and interface to be used? usb, pci, pc card?

zugvogel

Can some post a link pointing to some details about the technology used in 4G. Do they plan to wimax the whole country?

watty

Mobile Wimax DOES NOT EXIST Commercially for maybe another two years. There is already Fixed Wimax in use. Two different systems. So it's not Wimax. It's a system just as good (or better because it exists now).
http://www.qualcomm.com/technology/flash-ofdm/index.html

Around 0.9GHz rather than the 3.5GHz of WiMax, which makes it better for Mobile.

thebman

Broadband speeds

Low latency access

IP Quality of Service (QoS)

High spectral efficiency and full mobility

All-IP packet-switched system

LAN-like user experience at consumer price points

First fully mobile OFDM airlink for wide area broadband networks

Are any of the above "features" of the technology little white lies? Or how do they achieve low latency?

Do we know the speeds the technology can achieve or have we any idea what digiweb's packages will be?

It seems a little pointless to get excited about it until we know how good it is.

bushy...

I'm guessing extra latency is introduced to 3g etc so you won't be using skype over it or something similar

Urban Weigl

Um, latency on this will be ~50ms, significantly lower than what you'd see on a HSDPA network.

watty

bushy... wrote:

I'm guessing extra latency is introduced to 3g etc so you won't be using skype over it or something similar

No. The 110ms to 350ms latency on 3G/HSDPA is inherent as the system is designed for digitised voice, not IP based data.

The Digiweb system is latency more like DSL. You get a single spike in latency (still less than typical HSDPA) during a sector /base handover on one packet.

brim4brim wrote:

Are any of the above "features" of the technology little white lies? Or how do they achieve low latency?

All true. Even on T-mobile German High speed train at about 250kmph. It's also on Buses in Finland and sold by T-Mobile in Slovakia. Though all those systems use an older modem and are on a different band (450MHz) with less spectrum than Ireland.

brim4brim wrote:

Do we know the speeds the technology can achieve or have we any idea what digiweb's packages will be?

That's probably secret till they see what the phone companies think of it. I'd be surprised if it's not faster & cheaper. Unlike HSDPA, I think, (and I could be wrong), there is the ability to provide different speeds of package (QOS), I don't know if this is the plan though.

brim4brim wrote:

It seems a little pointless to get excited about it until we know how good it is.

Agreed.

Psygnosis

So Watty if you had this as your fixed package you could use it for online gaming?
Also would VOIP work on this as well

johnplayerblue

What would be a real world time frame for me to be using this new product from Digiweb? What with 3mobile voda and o2 takeing a large share of the mobile market as we speak.

I was gona sign up for another o2 account as its quiet good but should i now hold off and see whats gona happen with Digiweb and 4g or is this product gona be running in the larger areas where bb is already?

Sponge Bob

It uses a very modern coding scheme which should be very good for latency . 3g networks are muttering about moving to the same coding scheme during the coming decade.

Its also at a much lower frequency than 3g or even 2g oh JPB, thats good news for you at your distance. It will hopefully work better than 3g in current fringe areas or if latency is an issue for you.

bigpaddy2004

at 900Mhz their service will be far better at penetrating treees, buildings, etc unlike the current mobile offerings.

Sponge Bob

With any luck it will have the ilbc built in ...not some gimpy g.7nn codec .

smellslikeshoes

Was there rollout expectations put on this in the same way as for the companys given 3G licences?

watty

• speex codec is freerer and better or similar than iLBC. Adaptive like Skype and Penguin Friendly.
• iLBC, free but not open source.
• G.729 is low bitrate and actually very good. Standard. Not so good if packet loss high (Dialup/gprs/3G), but packet loss low on SOME peoples internal networks. Pay royalty, so not on free PC Softphones
• G.724 Don't go here. Terrible
• GSM, low bit rate, horrible quality compared to G.729. Not suitable for IP networks
• G.711 free, so on all PC SIP Softphones. But it's basically what ISDN PCM uses. It's 64k can be nearly 100k on an IP based connection. But you need it to carry Fax or Modem data in band. So things with Speex, iLBC or G.729 have it as alternate codec.
• T.38 is NOT a codec. Disable it. It rarely works. The ATA (SIP Adaptor) emulates a fax and stores the received TIFF format and relays it as IP data in frames. Horribly incompatible with many fax machines and different vendors implementations are not always operable, a nice idea that doesn't work. It won't work with Phonewatch, Modems. Skyboxes but thinks they are faxes so they don't get G.711 and then don't work.

So speex + G.711, iLBC + G.711, G.729 + G.711 are all good. Except on peer to peer sip both ends have to use the same codec. Many devices only have enough space for 2 or 3 codecs (Grandstream HT286 an amazing exception).

Sponge Bob

I like my ht286 ...bar its confusing cascaded dhcp but hey !

watty

Three *** and it whispers sweet subnets to ya.

Sponge Bob

Is that what digiweb are shipping with a radio chipset in the wan port I wonder ??:p

ceepee

just to ensure no confusion here the service in Fingal would be the f-ofdm based Mobile Broadband service, initially with data rates up to 5.3mbps - voice services (088) will not be released until early 2008... coverage is heading for 100% today and exceeds that of all other operators in the area....

gerky

ceepee when you say 100% coverage I presume your talking about fingal.

ceepee

yep, just Fingal for now...

gerky

So rural Ireland can wait years like with every other company.

ceepee

decent share of Fingal is rural too and will be well serviced...

the info which went out was included in a mail to some existing customers letting them know of the initial service availability pre-launch ...

gerky

Hardly in comparison to the northwest, No offense but If I trusted people advertising stuff on boards I would have had broadband 12 months ago,and free porn and cheap drugs

Sponge Bob

Wow . Fingal will actually have 100% BB coverage ...just like Donegal already does according to the dept of communications national broadband scheme. Except I might believe Digiweb over Noel Dempsey

Psygnosis

Hi,

Can anyone give any details of pricing and will this work for online gameing.

ZENER

WHAT??? 088 is coming back ! . . . rushes to attic to dig out this !!

. . . . can ya heer mi nowww !?

ZEN

Psygnosis

http://www.digiweb.ie/mobile

its now being advertised any one got it yet

Urban Weigl

Psygnosis wrote:

http://www.digiweb.ie/mobile

its now being advertised any one got it yet

From the site it looks like it will only work with ancient, obsolete laptops? I sold my last laptop that still had a PCMCIA slot over 18 months ago. Laptops I've had since have all had the newer, faster ExpressCard standard.

Seems to be a bit odd that they're launching a new service with old tech. Anyone know if Digiweb have any plans for an ExpressCard version of the card?

Edit: Pricing seems to match 3 exactly, down to charging 5 cent per megabyte when going over 10 GB cap. Router option seems interesting as a DSL replacement. I for one am glad there's more competition. That can only be a good thing for the customer.

Compare:
http://digiweb.ie/mobile/
http://three.ie/broadband/

Service should be significantly more suitable for online gaming thanks to much lower latency (~50ms versus 100-200ms). Upload speed should also be faster until 3 roll out HSUPA.

watty

Psygnosis wrote:

Hi,

Can anyone give any details of pricing and will this work for online gameing.

pricing:
http://www.digiweb.ie/mobile/
Yes it should work with most kinds of gaming or gambling if you want. I tried it with Guildwars.

No PIN or logon required. Just connect when the driver is installed. Just like using ethernet.


This works for express card to PCMCIA/Cardbus:
http://www.duel-systemsadapters.com/?productid=DP-0001

USB modem is "on the way" with express card probabily similar time scale.

The majority of Laptops and all Wireless WAN routers/WiFi take PCMCIA (actually newer Cardbus, not original PCMCIA), so that had to be supplied first. The PCMCIA/Cardbus is superior speed and power to USB. You'll notice a lot of USB Wireless WAN products need two USB cables for power. The Cardbus uses slightly less power than USB, which for all products needs an extra chip.

Ireland is the 3rd country with a national Flash-OFDM rollout and the 1st country with the 900MHz band. Finland and Slovak republic use 450MHz, so their USB modems won't work here. However while it means a bit of a delay getting USB and Express card, it means we have more bandwidth and better / smaller aerials (1/2 the size).

Urban Weigl

watty wrote:

pricing:
No PIN or logon required. Just connect when the driver is installed. Just like using ethernet.

I really like that. Always found it annoying how with DSL and 3G broadband, PPPoE gets used.

Now I hope Digiweb will publish their coverage plans for the next 12 months, beyond just saying "soon" all over the place. Soon is overused...

zugvogel

I read some where that one reason that Digiweb will be able to provide country wide coverage is because you need much fewer cells due to the larger cell foot print. Is this true? I seem to recall a figure of 40km mentioned with regard to range.

Will this technology suffer from the same draw backs as mobile 3G, as so well described by watty. How many client devices will each cell be able to support and will the cell breathing phenomena occur?
It would truly be an anticlimax if this is the case!

Obviously Digiweb will look to cover the large urban areas first. So a decent planned coverage map would be a big plus if you're listening Digiweb! In fact you might find that people who were planning to invest in a 3G modem may defer if it was thought that your service was going to be rolled out country wide fairly quickly.

Zug

Solair

Any idea when they'll roll this out in South Dublin and Dublin City Centre, and Cork city too ?

watty

40km range would not generally be useful except in the Australian outback.

It's a quite different technology to 3G, but there are some basic physical principles that can't be broken by any technology.

The sectors can connect more modems than 3G. In densely populated areas you want smaller cells and in sparse rural areas you can have bigger cells. Cell breathing should be minimal, but I've not heard any reports from Slovakia.

Unlike 3G the latency (ping) does not seem to be affected by more users, remaining at 1/4 to 1/7th of 3G/HSDPA ping time.

crawler

ceepee wrote:

decent share of Fingal is rural too and will be well serviced...

the info which went out was included in a mail to some existing customers letting them know of the initial service availability pre-launch ...

Waves!

zugvogel

Cheers watty.
Lets hope that Digiweb roll this out quickly.
This should give the mobile companies and Eircom something to think about!

Zug

zugvogel

What's the story with the Nurney exchange in Kildare. It was on the list of 100 published last October?

thebman

I hope this works out. Digiweb seem to be a decent company and I hope they do nationwide roll out as planned which they'll need if they intend to offer voice over this service too (I think they do but don't know for sure).

Can the users in Fingal keep boards users posted on how this service is working out in the coming months so we can see if they are going to oversell it, end up with crap service and bad customer support like almost every other broadband provider in the country that promises people the moon and the stars?

Blaster99

ceepee wrote:

just to ensure no confusion here the service in Fingal would be the f-ofdm based Mobile Broadband service, initially with data rates up to 5.3mbps - voice services (088) will not be released until early 2008... coverage is heading for 100% today and exceeds that of all other operators in the area....

I recently launched a wifi service in my neighbourhood, from a router sitting in my house. Initially with data rates up to 54Mbps. Voice services are coming soon. Coverage is heading for 100% today and exceeds that of all other operators in the area.

I haven't done up a web site or issued a press release, but interested parties can contact me directly.

watty

With 20 users they should get about 100kbps each at 100m or if your backhaul is only 1M they will get about 25kbps each If the users are further away the data rate is likely to be 10kbps each no matter how good the backhaul is.

TCollins

I see this states that the speed is Up To 5.3Mb

As an Ice broadband subscriber im a bit sceptical of a claim of "Up To".

Does anyone know what kind of speeds punters can realistically expect here.
Lets say the mast is fully subscribed, what speed would you get then?
As with 3 and O2 as it gets more popular will it get more rubbish?

Matt Bauer

Whatever happened to Digiweb 088? All news about it has stopped. Do they still have the license, and if so should it be taken back because they ended up not doing anything with it?

What's the inside story?

Sponge Bob

Manufacturer abandoned the product and it never expanded beyond North Dublin. dunno if it is still live there.

cargo

Matt Bauer wrote: »

Whatever happened to Digiweb 088? All news about it has stopped. Do they still have the license, and if so should it be taken back because they ended up not doing anything with it?

What's the inside story?

Think the license could be up this year so it'll go back anyway as they are not using it. Wasn't much spectrum associated with it and it was the higher block offered by Comreg at the time.

Anyone know what happened to the other 2 blocks of 450MHz spectrum that were awarded at the same time. (again very small blocks)

Sponge Bob

some Norwegian company got them IIRC but I never heard of any services, anothe rfine Comreg mess it all was anyway