Die Hard 4

Jim

Gotta say I'm hugely excited by this. I know its probably going to be drivel, bad acting, worse story line and cheesey one liners but none of that is putting me off.

While not a big action film fan Die Hard always caught my attention for some reason. I've seen the first film 20+ times and even after that I'm not one bit bored of it and its definatly one of my favourite films of all time. The only thing that can possibly save the film is Bruce Willis playing John McClane well. If he can pull it off true to the character then it doesn't really matter what the rest of the film is like. The only problem I might have with it is any clips I've seen only show huge explosions and cars flying through the air, I pray McClane gets atleast a few decent lines.

Thank christ we don't have to endure the renaming the US got..."Live Free Or Die Hard".

I was always partcial to Roy Rogers actually.

Petey2006

Love the original Die Hard. It's in my top 5 action movies of all time. However, Die Hard 4 fills me with dread. It seems that they've forgotten that McClane is a blue-collar cop, and they've turned him into some kind of superman, leaping from planes and destroying entire cities. Still, what can you expect from a hack who's only directed Underworld movies.

I love Die Hard, but I've heard that its pg13, wtf?! I heard that they edited the yippy kay ay motherf*****! Apparently any violence has been sanitised or removed. What the hell were they thinking? Its a Die Hard film without any of the elements that make a Die Hard film. I dont thnk I'll be going to see this travesty.

cold_filter

Have you guys seen the trailer? spinning cars in the air etc.... very fantasitc 4, superman type stuff.

Blue collar = John mcClane. They should have kept it gritty i will go see it but i wont be too impressed i dont think

Crucifix

Deleted User wrote:

I heard that they edited the yippy kay ay motherf*****!

I heard you only get one F-bomb for PG-13 and they spent it on that.

I'm kind of looking forward to it. I'm sure it'll have lots of great action, but like the OP said, it'll need some great lines for John McClane.

The vast majotrity of the reviews so far are positive. I wasn't too sure at first when I heard it was PG13 but after reading about it and some of Willis's comments I'm looking forward to seeing it on Wednesday.

irishash

i have seen about the place that it is gonna be a 15a in ireland and england. this would lead me to believe that maybe a slightly more extreme cut may be shipped over here.

this has been done before, in particualar with "dodgeball" which was pg in the states, and while it got a simialr rating over here, it had the more risque language and images in it (ie: "you are as useful as a cock flavored lollypop" was edited to "pee-pee flavored" in the states) and the extreme, unrated version released in the states on dvd was the exact version we got in cinemas over here to start with. and both movies are FOX movies

so maybe, just maybe.........

and the reviews from the states so far have been glowing of this film, both from proper critics and fans alike.

Duggy747

Get your asses on over here to rottentomatoes:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/live_free_or_die_hard/

77% is pretty damn good! Though there's a few things that bugs me, first off is the casting of that sissy Justin Long, god I'd love to hit him!

2nd I can guess from the trailer and reviews that he's turned into some sort of Terminator, a complete opposite of McClane back in '88.

3rd is

Yippee-Ki-Yay Motherfúcker (the classic!) has been cut over with a sound effect of a gun :mad: :"Yippee-Ki-Yay Mother*BANG!!*" Either it's some response to the daftness of the forced upon rating or it's PC gone even madder. Bastards have stepped into my territory!!

Still, it's one of the few movies I'll actually bother to see in the cinema! Action like that deserves to be viewed on a big screen!

senordingdong

Duggy747 wrote:

3rd is

Yippee-Ki-Yay Motherfúcker (the classic!) has been cut over with a sound effect of a gun :mad: :"Yippee-Ki-Yay Mother*BANG!!*" Either it's some response to the daftness of the forced upon rating or it's PC gone even madder. Bastards have stepped into my territory!!

**** it!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I thought that was only for the trailer.

Duggy747

senordingdong wrote:

**** it!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I thought that was only for the trailer.

Well that's what numerous reviews have highlighted, shìte!

AlmightyCushion

Duggy747 wrote:

3rd is

Yippee-Ki-Yay Motherfúcker (the classic!) has been cut over with a sound effect of a gun :mad: :"Yippee-Ki-Yay Mother*BANG!!*" Either it's some response to the daftness of the forced upon rating or it's PC gone even madder. Bastards have stepped into my territory!!

Ah for fúcks sake.

Thrill

I love the Die Hard films and am eagerly looking forward to number 4. I read the original Die hard book before i saw the film and it was the first time i was not disappointed by a movie after reading the novel first.

qwertplaywert

i wasnt looking foward to this, till A: found out the brillant Justin Long is in it and B:Saw the trailer!

cant wait for wedesnday till i see it!

Jello

Well according to the BBFC it ''Contains frequent action violence and one use of strong language'' - so if it's not the yippee ki-yay mother****er, then what is the strong language?!

Jello

Jello wrote:

Well according to the BBFC it ''Contains frequent action violence and one use of strong language'' - so if it's not the yippee ki-yay mother****er, then what is the strong language?!

He probably says "crap" a few times.:eek: My brother is in the states right now, he saw it last night and said its not great. Apparently its WAY too over the top even for a die hard film.

Vinnie K

Seen the trailer again for this last night and i know im gonna be bitterly dissapoited, the original die hard was brilliant but its looks like they commercialised(spelling)this too much. Bring back the nitty gritty dirty white vested blue collar johh mcclane. It baffels me ever time a film(1 syllable:D )like this come out why they **** it up so often when they have the foundation for a great movie!!

Galvasean

Meh! too many spoilers!

Gonna just say my words and get out: Im looking forward to it. hopefully it will put the fun back in the action genre (weve been getting plenty of explosions lately but not enough sheer fun).
Ah well, Im sure it will bridge the gap between now and Transformers.

MooseJam

Went to see this today and it was rubbish - totally unbelievable action, and the hackers who can do anything at all with a few strokes on a keyboard is silly

Giblet

I don't know what you were expecting....

MooseJam

Giblet wrote:

I don't know what you were expecting....

how about a good belieavable action flic, not some guy

jumping on to the back of a jet plane in motion

i mean come on :rolleyes:

zAbbo

just back from it, needs to be seen in the cinema.

Not everything needs to be believable, MooseJam, just enjoy the film

8/10 from me (and I'm stingy)

Jim

It was...ok. I'm a huge Die Hard fan, and although overall I thought it was good, there was something that wasn't quite right. Don't get me wrong, if you go into this film having never seen another Die Hard you'll probably think its ****, but the over the top stunts etc are there to be laughed at. Personally I thought there was something missing from Willis' preformance, not enough dialogue and complaining!

Also, Moosejam, in the second film he fights a guy on the wing of a plane...its Die Hard, its not to be taken seriously. (although I do agree the jet scene was a bit ott heh)

BlitzKrieg

I found it to be a mix of die hard 2 and 3...but leaning heavily on 2 (which I feel is the weakest of the original trilogy), the villian and their set up/devious plan all stank of 2, while the plot twist and open setting stank of 3.

Overall I enjoyed myself, I mean so far this year in the way of entertainment most films has absolutly sucked in delivering either an exciting fight scene, or one where someone does something totally f*cking crazy. This delivered on both and the fight scenes purely rocked.

Though the censoring of the die hard catchphrase is the films biggest failing (then the main villian). The actual *henchmen/goons* in the film are some of the best I have seen in years. Seriously they took a f*cktonne of punishment to kill which is pure f*cking die hard, you take a smaller group of baddies but each one needs to be pinned to the ground and smacked around countless times.

Personnal favourites

The House lookalike villian gets smacked into the ground twice during the film, first he gets blown out a window by a fire exthinguisher and then later on he gets blasted out of a helicopter by a fire hydrant. It was f*cking classic. Also The asian chick getting nailed by a rugby tackle, slapped on wife beating style, then rammed by a truck before finally being dropped down a elevator shaft...how can you not f*cking love the fight scenes in this film?

Real good fun film, like all the die hards. Weak on the plot and the villian but overall I came out entertained.

On a technical side, the initial *exploding hard drive* plot device was f*cking lame and there is a serious amount of continuity errors early on. But its still good.


If you like 2, you'll like 4.

Tusky

I didnt like it. It didnt hold my attention, my mind kept wandering. Apart from a couple of action scenes, the action wasn't all that special. I thought the cyber terrorists storyline was pretty weak and there wasn't nearly enough witty dialog.

Also, did anyone else think that it FELT like a kids action movie. Didn't feel like it was directed at adults anyway, the loss of the 15/18 cert is its biggest failing. I mean, how can you censor the catchphrase for which the series is known! Ridiculous.

monkeyfudge

I liked the action sequences, but the plot was terrible and if you had the time or inclination you could tear it apart.

It also didn't do a very good job of creating the tension that the other films were always good at.

Personally I'd like to see them do an alternate history of September 11th in which John McClane prevents the terrorist attacks... that would be the most awesome thing ever...

Oh... Can F35's really move like that? You know, strafe while hovering... I don't know much about planes but I knew they could hover for vertical take off and landing... but this seemed a little bit too much... If the US has planes that can do that then they really must have cracked open a few alien space ships.

senordingdong

That was awesome.

djkeogh

Entertaining flick. I agree with what was said by others. McClane isn't McClane enough. Seems to be denied a bit of moany dialogue. Some great action and fight scenes but I found myself on more than one occasion thinking "Come on, Thats way over the top."

If you can get past some of the plot devices and just enjoy it for the action it is then you should enjoy it. Bloodless deaths galore

Duggy747

It was a pretty good action movie, I thought. But it didn't feel like a Die Hard movie in parts, McClane didn't complain / wisecrack as much as the others. The plot was stupid and I couldn't stop laughing everytime it showed a villian's computer screen; full of meaningless writing scrolling up the screen at an unreadable rate, windows flying in & out all over the place having no idea where they came from. Then again, that has always been a movie cliché. The C4 bomb on the computer scenes were naff, who the hell presses DELETE when their PC start's acting up all funky?

The villian was shít, didn't have an ounce of danger / coolness off him and really by the end of the movie I didn't give a shít about him. His death was a cop-out too, it wasn't a Die Hard "original flavour" gruesome death. Monkey boy henchman was cool in some bits but you noticed he began moving quite wierd, as in you could tell by following him he was on wires on some certain bits. Special effects were used too much and, I thought, were quite shít and not up to the quality what's expected off a modern movie!

However, as a die-hard Die Hard fan (hur, hur, fun---ny) I liked this movie and i think it fits snuggly into the Die Hard franchise as, really, it's got all the usual ingredients it's just a pity they aren't properly executed in some of them. The jet scene was a bit naff, why would the pilot risk his life and the plane by flying inside an enclosed space just to get a good shot??? Meh, it was an over-the-top movie with some great action and fight sequences, just the way I like it !

8 outta 10 for me, lads! IMO a LOT better than 3 (which I still like) and a tiny bit better than 2!

Anyone get the FBI joke when McClane meets up with one of the agents?

senordingdong

Duggy747 wrote:

Anyone get the FBI joke when McClane meets up with one of the agents?

Heck yes, especially when Lt. Tuvok showed up on the scene.

Shane-KornSpace

So if you've seen the movie now, what are your thoughts on it?

I wasn't a fan of Lucy's acting. Her lines reminded me too much of John. (yes i realise it's his daughter), but for her, they seemed a little cheesy.

When the gunshot covered up "****er" as Mclane said "yipy ki-yay mother ****er", i was quite dissapointed.
Im not gonna ruin the movie since its only out, but over all, the film kicked ass, and is a worthy sequel to its 3 predecessors. 9/10

Shane-KornSpace

Duggy747 wrote:

Anyone get the FBI joke when McClane meets up with one of the agents?

"im agent Johnson"
Mclane: "Agent Johnson?!"

I laughed at this and was the only one who did

Galvasean

Saw the first showing yesterday, what can I say? Its a balls out full on action movie in the style of the 80s action popcorn flick. Over the top action, stunts and one liners. The perfect 'brain takes a back seat' movie.

Duggy747

Galvasean wrote:

Saw the first showing yesterday, what can I say? Its a balls out full on action movie in the style of the 80s action popcorn flick. Over the top action, stunts and one liners. The perfect 'brain takes a back seat' movie.

Exactly, that's why I like it so much. None of this gritty, character development, obligitory love-scene, hidden political agenda, shíte. This was an action movie we needed in a stale generation of action cinema. Has to be seen in the cinema:

Person: "Excuse me, is anyone using the seat beside you?"
You: "Uh, yes actually, my brain is sitting here."

Jim

Btw, I meant to ask

When McClane is fighting the Asian chick he says "Enough of this kung fu ****" then says something else before he tackles her. I missed the second line but the cinema burst out laughing at it. What was it?

randomchild

I loved it. Hilarious one liners, brilliant action sequences, Bruce Willis absolutely kicking the **** out of a really hot asian woman... the list goes on. Not the best die hard, but probally second behind no.3. I went in with moderate expectations and came out stunned.

Oh and

that fight with the "hamster" is the new "fat guy getting sucked into a turbine" for me.

( . )( . )

went to see it last night with the g/f and we both loved it...

fabulous

Duggy747

I loved the fact that he bet the living shít outta the hot chick, normally the evil hot chick beats the protagonist to death until he pushes her and she empales herself on a spike that comes from nowhere.

and Jimeatsmenu, I think everyone was laughing at the fact that he violently tackled her.......that's what I laughed at anyways.

senordingdong

**** beating her...how about pulling her hair out.

That reminds me...I had better remember to say 'How ya doin?' next time I run over a chick and ram her into a wall!
****in classic McClane.

mcauley

She was using all this "kung fu sh*t" as they put it, and he just blind sides her while she is walking away....thats what I was laughing at anyway!!

I enjoyed it a lot, of course parts were unrealistic. But it was still very enjoyable. I'm inclined to agree with the earlier comment on the hackers computers with random windows flying all over the place?

But Kevin Smith was hilarious in it....the "Command Center" !!

Jesus Wept

I haven't seen this yet... I dunno if I'm looking for my Die Hard movies to be 'hilarious'

senordingdong

monkeyfudge wrote:

Oh... Can F35's really move like that? You know, strafe while hovering... I don't know much about planes but I knew they could hover for vertical take off and landing... but this seemed a little bit too much... If the US has planes that can do that then they really must have cracked open a few alien space ships.

The F35B can...but in the movie it was an F35C I believe...which not only doesn't have verticl flight capabilities, but it won't be completed untill 2012.

Dougy747 wrote:

Monkey boy henchman was cool in some bits but you noticed he began moving quite wierd, as in you could tell by following him he was on wires on some certain bits. Special effects were used too much and, I thought, were quite shít and not up to the quality what's expected off a modern movie!

Well according to Willis, the fight with the jet was the only time they used CGI and ****. He said all the other stunts were real.

But that said....one thing that I didn't like was the Yippie Kay Aye scene. In the trailer, we see McClane saying it as he is standing pointing a gun at the bad guy, not being held at gun point.
That and the lack of the white wife beater.

randomchild

The-Rigger wrote:

I haven't seen this yet... I dunno if I'm looking for my Die Hard movies to be 'hilarious'

But all the die hard films are funny. The witty banter between McLane and the bad guy or his accomplice was golden in the last 3 films and it is the same here. Thats what I mean by hilarious.

Tusky

randomchild wrote:

I loved it. Hilarious one liners, brilliant action sequences, Bruce Willis absolutely kicking the **** out of a really hot asian woman... the list goes on. Not the best die hard, but probally second behind no.3. I went in with moderate expectations and came out stunned.

Oh and

that fight with the "hamster" is the new "fat guy getting sucked into a turbine" for me.

You think its the second best Die Hard after number 3 ?!?! That statement automatically makes your opinion invalid.

randomchild

Tusky wrote:

You think its the second best Die Hard after number 3 ?!?! That statement automatically makes your opinion invalid.

Well my opinion of which one is best goes generally goes no3 first (It has Jeremy irons and Samuel Jackson); followed by which of the other ones I have seen last (excluding 2, which I love, but is the weakest of the lot). Seeing as I watched the trilogy directly before I went to no.4 makes no.4 the last one I saw and thus my second favorite. And just because my opinion differs to yours, does not make my opinion invalid. Your comment that it was directed at kids is bordering on ludicrous. Spy kids and such are kid’s action films. If you are actually comparing this movie to them then that automatically makes your opinion invalid, IMO.

Retr0gamer

randomchild wrote:

And just because my opinion differs to yours, does not make my opinion invalid.

Your right. In this case it just makes your opinion wrong.

Jim

randomchild wrote:

Well my opinion of which one is best goes generally goes no3 first (It has Jeremy irons and Samuel Jackson); followed by which of the other ones I have seen last (excluding 2, which I love, but is the weakest of the lot). Seeing as I watched the trilogy directly before I went to no.4 makes no.4 the last one I saw and thus my second favorite. And just because my opinion differs to yours, does not make my opinion invalid. Your comment that it was directed at kids is bordering on ludicrous. Spy kids and such are kid’s action films. If you are actually comparing this movie to them then that automatically makes your opinion invalid, IMO.

You've upset Argyle

lostexpectation

watch it , thought it was okay/good, although I didn't like the crawling on the back of the plane that was silly and broke the mccain is an orndinary joe rule

DarkJager

Question for those who have seen it

Does John McClane die in the movie from what I've been hearing?? Rumours saying they wanted to kill him off so there would be no further sequels

randomchild

Retr0gamer wrote:

Your right. In this case it just makes your opinion wrong.

A contradiction. If an opinion is truly an opinion, how can it be wrong? But this is getting off topic. Die hard kicks ass, and this new one is a welcome adition to the trilogy. Hopefully, when this is released on dvd, they will re-release the lot on HD. Then my life will be complete.

BlitzKrieg

DarkJager wrote:

Question for those who have seen it

Does John McClane die in the movie from what I've been hearing?? Rumours saying they wanted to kill him off so there would be no further sequels

no

Jim

randomchild wrote:

A contradiction. If an opinion is truly an opinion, how can it be wrong? But this is getting off topic. Die hard kicks ass, and this new one is a welcome adition to the trilogy. Hopefully, when this is released on dvd, they will re-release the lot on HD. Then my life will be complete.

Its a joke intended to make it apparent just how much he disagrees with you.