Dunne v Martinez

chipster

Anyone any idea when tickets go on sale?

I presume its ticketmaster again?

Timmy_d

chipster wrote:

Anyone any idea when tickets go on sale?

I presume its ticketmaster again?

ahh just about to post the same question,im nearly 100% they said this friday ticketmaster but hopefully someone will confirm this...would love to head up to see it...did u get tickets for his last one in the point chipster? i guess they will go superfast

dlofnep

http://www.bernarddunne.net/p_release5.php

smarten31

thanks for the info.. Will definitely get tickets for this fight

sligobhoy67

is it just me but Kiko's record looks pretty shizzle - well the opponants he has fought look poor

walshb

not you at all...

Kiko's record is perfect, but the opposition is pretty
poor IMO...Hopefully Bernard can dent this perfect record
and win in real style. I want to see Bernard take this
little man out and then he has to go for the cream or he
risks fading away!!!

dlofnep

yeah, Kiko hasn't fought anyone with a hint of ability in his pro career yet.

raven136

dlofnep wrote:

yeah, Kiko hasn't fought anyone with a hint of ability in his pro career yet.

and dunne has?no world beaters faced by either of them,should be a good fight

delrun

Heard ticket prices have gone up for the dunne fight,Ticket prices for the point start at €75. Anyone else here this?

Vinnie K

delrun wrote:

Heard ticket prices have gone up for the dunne fight,Ticket prices for the point start at €75. Anyone else here this?

Ya, its in the link posted by dlofnep!!!!

Big Ears

delrun wrote:

Heard ticket prices have gone up for the dunne fight,Ticket prices for the point start at €75. Anyone else here this?

I hope to **** it's because Dunne , Martinez , Oakey and Magee are earning more than usual and that the rest of the bill is stacked with quality fights .
However it's probably to do with Dennis Hobson being involved with the card aswell as Brian Peters and both men wanting a decent cut .

walshb

Looking at the pictures of the two, Dunne must have a 4 inch height advantage... Kiko looks like a blown up Flyweight. Has he ever fought outside Spain??

Big Ears

walshb wrote:

Looking at the pictures of the two, Dunne must have a 4 inch height advantage... Kiko looks like a blown up Flyweight. Has he ever fought outside Spain??

I'd say it's about a 3 inch height advantage which is a big positive for Dunne .
Kiko looks a little stocky and I think Flyweight is an exaggeration , you have to keep in mind Bernard is big at the weight and Kiko possibly could make Bantamweight by the looks of him .

He hasn't fought outside Spain but that's normal for a Spanish prospect with a little bit of promotion behind him .


By the way Andy Lee is on the bill .

Dunne v Martinez-European Bantamweight title
Oakey v Magee-British Light-Heavyweight title
Andy Lee v ?

This is starting to develop into a high quality bill .

walshb

Kiko is the number 1 ranked contender.
I don't tend to give much credence to rankings to
be honest. I will make my judgement on Kiko
when he actually fights Dunne. Number 1 ranked or
not, the actual fight will tell me if he is quality
or NOT....

dlofnep

raven136 wrote:

and dunne has?no world beaters faced by either of them,should be a good fight

Well, Dunne has fought guys with decent records. You just have to look at his last 5 or 6 fights to see he hasn't been fighting compelte scrubs. Combined records for the last 6 fighters Bernard has faced is 123-19 compared to Kiko's opponents who were 63-72. Christ, the last guy he fought was 1-12. How the hell do you warm up for a title fight, fighting someone who is 1-12?

Kiko has no idea what he's in for. Dunne will beat him, easy.

walshb

Kiko is in real fighting form. The best he could say was that he
thinks he has a chance. That says it all for me. The guy knows he's not
in with a snowballs chance in hell of winning the fight. It's an easy payday
for him, or maybe a hard payday....

walshb

dlofnep wrote:

Well, Dunne has fought guys with decent records. You just have to look at his last 5 or 6 fights to see he hasn't been fighting compelte scrubs. Combined records for the last 6 fighters Bernard has faced is 123-19 compared to Kiko's opponents who were 63-72. Christ, the last guy he fought was 1-12. How the hell do you warm up for a title fight, fighting someone who is 1-12?

Kiko has no idea what he's in for. Dunne will beat him, easy.

Complete scrubs, maybe NOT, scrubs, DEFINITELY!!!

sligobhoy67

walshb wrote:

Complete scrubs, maybe NOT, scrubs, DEFINITELY!!!

this is a shoe in for Dunne imo, and I dont say that often. Maybe Martinez has "it" but Icant see it. Whats the betting odds for this fight

dlofnep

walshb wrote:

Complete scrubs, maybe NOT, scrubs, DEFINITELY!!!

Well.. there's only so much talent at european level.

MBC

walshb wrote:

Kiko is in real fighting form. The best he could say was that he
thinks he has a chance. That says it all for me. The guy knows he's not
in with a snowballs chance in hell of winning the fight. It's an easy payday
for him, or maybe a hard payday....

Never judge a book by its cover...............meself when i used to fight and ppl would ask how did I think i'd get on........i'd always pump up the other guy and put my own chances as slim............even i was clear favourite.........
But in my own little mind i would be brimming with confidence.............also when we used to tip gloves i would walk across the ring as if I was sh8t scared - completely afraid of this guy and walk back the same............9 times out 10 when the bell went the opponent would come out all guns blazing - trying to knock me out............and that my friend is when mistakes happen...............there game plan goes completey out the window...............it was something my trainers installed in me and i used to love it.


Also remember when Wayne McCullough was due to fight Naz.......a journalist once asked him "wayne what a you going to due about Naz's power - he hits so hard"..........McCullough answered "I picture the fight in my head and every punch that lands on me is gonna be like a sledge hammer pounding me bad........so when he does actually hit I'll be like........what the hell is the fuss all about"..........I used to picture the same and it worked for me too

stagolee

Martinez record does look fairly padded in all honesty but its interesting that in only his fourth fight they chose to put him in against a guy with 12 wins and only one loss to Esham Pickering in an EBU title bout.

Did his trainers have some inside knowledge on Juan Garcia Martin? or was Martinez picked as an easy-ish comeback fight for Martin?

EDIT: On second thoughts scratch that, I just had a look at Juan Garcia Martins record, looks like a roll call at the no-hopers AGM.

stagolee

Ha! to win his shot at the EBU title Martin beat 12 opponents in a row with a combined total of 19 Wins, 121 Losses and 3 Draws.

Classy

Big Ears

stagolee wrote:

Ha! to win his shot at the EBU title Martin beat 12 opponents in a row with a combined total of 19 Wins, 121 Losses and 3 Draws.

Classy

There are 3 wins which gave Martinez his #1 ranking .
The 3rd round stoppage victory over Martin , even if he did have a very padded record he went 8th with Pickering .

Beating Salem Bouaita clearly on points . This is his biggest win and although Bouaita looks to have a **** record he does have a clear points win over Miguel Mallon who was stopped in 10 by Pickering for the title(I remember that fight , he did okay) and Tuncay Kaya , who was stopped in the 9th by Hunter after mistiming a count . Kaya had given Hunter his toughest fight .

So for Martinez to get such a clear points win over him shows he has a little something .

Finally the win over John Bikai in a defence of his EU belt(which he had won against Bouaita) has given him this #1 ranking . Bikai is very limited but has given good fighters like Guerault tough nights and Bikai himself has wins over some of the tougher and better known journeymen around Europe at this weight . He also has won the French Bantamweight title .

Something also to note is his 2nd round stoppage of Frederic Bonifai , becomming only the 3rd man to stop him at the time and the quickest to do so(he has since been stopped quicker) . Bonifai can be a tough opponent at times and almost always goes the full route , so to stop him so early shows a bit of power .

Martinez mightn't be a killer but at the very least he can punch quite hard and will be a decent quality opponent at European level(better than anyone Hunter defended against anyway) . THe reason some of his recent opposition has been so poor is he has been European mandatory for a while and all they would be willing to put him in is stay busy fights .

alanceltic

Interesting that you mention Hunter as Martinez has been avoided for sure by him when he was champion, I always said on other boards that Hunter was a flawed champion and only fought against bums and there were reasons for this (he was s_hite). Anyway its fair to say i think that Martinez is worthy of his mandatory position based on his flawless record, what makes him dangerous is not necessarily his KO attrition but the fact that there is not 1 fight on his record which gives an indication on how good or bad he really is. He is a bit on an enigma as a result of this so Bernard really wont know what he is up against until he is in the ring, one thing for sure is that Martinez knows who he will be mixing with and will be WAYYYYY out of his comfort zone and I think this alone is a big ask for him. Dunne just has class written all over him and I cant see somebody like Martinez making such a step up in class on the night, looks to me like he has been handled with kid gloves by his mgt team.

As for the undercard, we go from absolute rubbish to a night that promises soooo much, Magee Oakey will be a finely matched contest and Lee is worth seeing even if he is mismatched. To top it off it looks likely that Macklin will enter the fray if he can come thru an 8 rounder on friday night relatively unscathed... does it get much better than this in terms on an irish billing????

walshb

stagolee wrote:

Ha! to win his shot at the EBU title Martin beat 12 opponents in a row with a combined total of 19 Wins, 121 Losses and 3 Draws.

Classy

If Kiko is Europes best according to the ratings then boxing is in dire straits in Europe. It's that simple. He has never fought outside of Spain and has beat a bunch of nobody's. Where is the talent at 122lbs??, in Europe I mean!!!
The ratings are a farce IMO!!!!!

Big Ears

walshb wrote:

If Kiko is Europes best according to the ratings then boxing is in dire straits in Europe. It's that simple. He has never fought outside of Spain and has beat a bunch of nobody's. Where is the talent at 122lbs??, in Europe I mean!!!
The ratings are a farce IMO!!!!!

The ratings aren't a farce , the only one that could be ranked ahead of him is Esham Pickering .

Walstad had a much worse record than Martinez's when he fought Dunne and although Dunne won it clearly Walstad turned out to be a lot better than his padded record suggested .

Martinez does have a clear win over the #2 ranked contender Bouaita(note that when someone becomes mandatory they are no longer ranked , so Pickering is #1 and Martinez isn't listed) .

Yes there isn't much talent at 122lbs in Europe , but that's simply because your average European is a lot bigger than that .

Martinez deserves his ranking , whether he is an okay or very good fighter we have yet to see . But I can assure you he isn't crap(from the guys he's beat and how he's done it) .

cowzerp

walshb wrote:

If Kiko is Europes best according to the ratings then boxing is in dire straits in Europe. It's that simple. He has never fought outside of Spain and has beat a bunch of nobody's. Where is the talent at 122lbs??, in Europe I mean!!!
The ratings are a farce IMO!!!!!

Bren although i agree with this point-i think its funny how anti dunne you are! if i did not know you you would have me cracking up! just a note to all boards boxing people-Walshb is a proud irish man and a smart lad at that!

walshb

Paul. I really want Bernard to prove to me how good he is or can be. I just can't get excited when watching him beat, and at times struggle to beat poor opponents and the hype surrounding it and how the so called experts make out that he is fighting talented opposition. Bernard is NOT the problem, it's the hype surrounding him. It's totally unwarranted. Let's save it for when he really achieves something. He's a terrific athlete, beautiful boxer, with beautiful skills and a nice lad too. Now he has won a European title, it sounds great but judging by what Europe has to offer, it's not all that amazing. Bernard needs to demolish this Kiko. He needs to show us that he can take out a poor opponent and not have to go 12 rds to win. Most great fighters would have taken Walstad out very early, he was that hittable.
But Bernard's lack of punch is always going to see him struggle. He's 27 now, the clock is fast ticking. It's got to be a great win here and then a shot at one of the big 4 World titles.....

walshb

Big Ears wrote:

The ratings aren't a farce , the only one that could be ranked ahead of him is Esham Pickering .

Walstad had a much worse record than Martinez's when he fought Dunne and although Dunne won it clearly Walstad turned out to be a lot better than his padded record suggested .

Martinez does have a clear win over the #2 ranked contender Bouaita(note that when someone becomes mandatory they are no longer ranked , so Pickering is #1 and Martinez isn't listed) .

Yes there isn't much talent at 122lbs in Europe , but that's simply because your average European is a lot bigger than that .

Martinez deserves his ranking , whether he is an okay or very good fighter we have yet to see . But I can assure you he isn't crap(from the guys he's beat and how he's done it) .

Look guys, we are all fight fans here and quite knowledgeable but are you honestly saying the fighters Martinez beat warrant him a decent fighter or the BEST Europe has to offer as challenger to Bernard? Have you actually looked at their records?. They are appalingly bad. Their win-loss ratio is 30%-70% approximately. How can this be indicative of him being a worthy and quality opponent?

Lets call a spade a spade....he is not in Bernard's league and beating him will not change my opinion. If Bernard really does a number on this guy I will say brilliant, you took out a poor opponent and showed us that he was a poor opponent by your destruction of him. Well done and best of luck in your world title fight.

So IMO the ratings are a farce or at least they are pretty bad. I said they are farcical, you say Europe has no real talent at 122. We are really agreeing with each other. I just put it a different way. The ratings are the indication of the poor talent!!!!

Big Ears

walshb wrote:

Look guys, we are all fight fans here and quite knowledgeable but are you honestly saying the fighters Martinez beat warrant him a decent fighter or the BEST Europe has to offer as challenger to Bernard? Have you actually looked at their records?. They are appalingly bad. Their win-loss ratio is 30%-70% approximately. How can this be indicative of him being a worthy and quality opponent?

Lets call a spade a spade....he is not in Bernard's league and beating him will not change my opinion. If Bernard really does a number on this guy I will say brilliant, you took out a poor opponent and showed us that he was a poor opponent by your destruction of him. Well done and best of luck in your world title fight.

So IMO the ratings are a farce or at least they are pretty bad. I said they are farcical, you say Europe has no real talent at 122. We are really agreeing with each other. I just put it a different way. The ratings are the indication of the poor talent!!!!

Oh no doubt the talent isn't there , but I have seen the likes of Mallon and Kaya and both of those guys were outpointed by Bouaita who Martinez beat clearly . He deserves a shot at the European title more than anyone else and I'm willing to bet Martinez will at least be Dunne's second hardest fight(after Pickering) if not his hardest .

The European scene isn't very strong at 122 , but with that said Mahyar Monshipour only drew with German Guartos(one of Michael Hunter's easy victims) , now okay he did beat him in a rematch inside 3 rounds but the point is Monshipour went from doing so poorly against poor European level opponents to WBA world champion and a top 3 Super Bantamweight .
Walsh I get the feeling id Dunne wins a World title you're going to say 'is that all there is at World level at Super Bantamweight ?'
Dunne is beating the best Europe has to offer(I have little doubt Pickering , Martinez and Walstad are Europe's 3 best after Dunne) and will move to World level very soon . He is being brought on a good pace .

Dunne isn't a puncher either , he's not going to stop any top level opponents so from now on in it's gonna be 12 rounds or Dunne gets knocked out .

Btw Steve Molitor despatched his mandatory South African Taklani Nlovu in 9 rounds recently . It seems Molitor might be able to punch after all , and Ndlovu is a very decent opponent .

current rankings for Dunne:
10th WBC
7th IBF(Michael Hunter ranked 3rd despite now being a Featherweight and also being ****)
4th WBO
9th WBA

walshb

I just call it as I see it. It's that simple. We are all on the same team, we all want Bernard to win. I'm proud of him and as an Irishman it's all I want. But I have to be honest when assessing him as a fighter. Whats' the point in me making out that he has faced real quality, when he has NOT. As a fighter he has a lot going for him, unfortunately the two key ingredients he lacks are the decent punch and chin. Can he survive to win a world title without these?, I strongly doubt it. That's if the world champs are quality, which I assume they are. I assume they are at least a grade or two above Bernard's recent opponents. Now I have looked at Kiko's record and the record of his opponents and their opponents. It makes pretty dismal reading to be honest.
These are hard facts we cannot get away from. And it beggars belief that in beating this very poor level of opponent, he gets to the number 1 ranking??.

So if Bernard dispatches of Kiko, which I am quite sure he will, then he will hopefully get the title shot at the big 4. I will then make a judgement.
Right now, he has done all that has been asked of him. So I praise him for that. But I will NOT say that he did it against QUALITY, because that would be plain inaccurate, and a long way off the truth....

Again, if that appears to you like I am being too hard on Dunne, so be it. I am just being honest. If Dunne was my brother, I couldn't say it any different, or at least THINK any different......

walshb

Moliter, I watched him a couple of times and was impressed with his sharp and accurate punching. He can certainly bang!!!

alanceltic

You can view the Molitor-Ndlovu fight here

http://broadband.tsn.ca/tsn/?id=1935

You will need to change the proxy settings on your internet connection to a canadian proxy server, the quality of the stream is excellent. I think molitor is a neat boxer but im not sure he is as good as people are making out. He destroyed Hunter but my views on that are simple, Hunter was very lucky to get the decision on Pickering and defended 3 times against bums, he is overly aggressive and played into hunters hands, a brawler against a boxer always looses out in a fight like that.

As for Ndlovu, he was beaten to the punch every single time by Molitor and looked clumsy at times, also had very bad lateral movement, Im thinkin Ndlovu did everything Dunne wouldnt in a fight like that. Molitor wore him down more than anything else but caught him with a lovely shot to finish the fight but he had sooooo many opportunities, dont get me wrong Molitor is a lovely neat boxer but im not convinced that hes as good as everyone is stating and I think Bernard would be well capable of kickin his ass.

bigbigb

Folks,

I've bought tickets for Dunne's boxing bout in The Point on 25th August, only to realise that I've a bloody wedding to go to the same day.

2 tickets (110 euro each) for sale together at face value. Central seats in Block B.

raven136

all of us here are talking about who Bernard will fight after this fight.We have seen very little of Martinez and cannot judge him on the poor quality of his opponents.We havent considered that he might beat Dunne.

We are all supporters of Duddy and Dunne but in all honesty neither have shone in recent fights and if they werent irish we would be writing them off for world titles would we not?

interesting piece in the tribune a few weeks back about dunne having to soon fight for a world title.Basicaly it was saying had he stayed in the states possibly under freddie roach or someone of his calibare where would he be now.Food for thought i guess

walshb

raven136 wrote:

all of us here are talking about who Bernard will fight after this fight.We have seen very little of Martinez and cannot judge him on the poor quality of his opponents.We havent considered that he might beat Dunne.

We are all supporters of Duddy and Dunne but in all honesty neither have shone in recent fights and if they werent irish we would be writing them off for world titles would we not?

interesting piece in the tribune a few weeks back about dunne having to soon fight for a world title.Basicaly it was saying had he stayed in the states possibly under freddie roach or someone of his calibare where would he be now.Food for thought i guess

Nobody has seen any footage of him, so all we can go on is the level of opposition he has faced, which is pretty dismal. Also the fact Dunne has a 4 inch height advantge approximately. This will or should be a massive advantage at such a light weight. One final thing is that Dunne's recent crop of opponents have not been close in terms of ability to Bernard, so why change the habit of a lifetime. Peters and CO have been carefully selecting opponents that have little or no chance of victory, so why assume anything will change!!!

Big Ears

walshb wrote:

Nobody has seen any footage of him, so all we can go on is the level of opposition he has faced, which is pretty dismal. Also the fact Dunne has a 4 inch height advantge approximately. This will or should be a massive advantage at such a light weight. One final thing is that Dunne's recent crop of opponents have not been close in terms of ability to Bernard, so why change the habit of a lifetime. Peters and CO have been carefully selecting opponents that have little or no chance of victory, so why assume anything will change!!!

In fairness Peters has given Dunne the best European opponents available(and he can only defend his title against Europeans) so you can't blame him on that angle .

Martinez may not have faced World beaters but all the guys he has faced he has dealt with them exceptionally(at least it looks that way from his record) .

Remember Ricardo Torres , he came from no where having faced easy opponents(and dealt with them very well) and on short notice he was twice on the verge of stopping Miguel Cotto one of the sports biggest stars .
Lets judge Martinez after the fight , not before hand .

walshb

Big Ears wrote:

In fairness Peters has given Dunne the best European opponents available(and he can only defend his title against Europeans) so you can't blame him on that angle .

Martinez may not have faced World beaters but all the guys he has faced he has dealt with them exceptionally(at least it looks that way from his record) .

Remember Ricardo Torres , he came from no where having faced easy opponents(and dealt with them very well) and on short notice he was twice on the verge of stopping Miguel Cotto one of the sports biggest stars .
Lets judge Martinez after the fight , not before hand .

Ok, lets wait until the fight happens then!!!

alanceltic

walshb wrote:

Ok, lets wait until the fight happens then!!!

Yeah your in a comfortable place there..... If dunne wins in any manner you will go on a rant about the level of opposition put before him and if he looses or doesnt win convincingly you will say "i told ya so". U myst have a osre a_rse from sittin on that fence

alanceltic

walshb wrote:

Ok, lets wait until the fight happens then!!!

Yeah your in a comfortable place there..... If dunne wins in any manner you will go on a rant about the level of opposition put before him and if he looses or doesnt win convincingly you will say "i told ya so". U must have a sore a_rse from sittin on that fence

Limerick Dude

Are tickets sold out for this?!

Big Ears

Matthew Macklin v Darren Rhodes has been added to the bill(although not officially yet)

So that makes:

Bernard Dunne v Kiko Martinez-European Super Bantamweight title
Tony Oakey v Brian Magee-British Light Heavyweight title
Matthew Macklin v Darren Rhodes-8 rounds Middleweight
Andy Lee v TBA-8 rounds Middleweight
Paul McCloskey v TBA-Light Welterweight

Definitely the best card we've had yet , so far anyway .

Promising Irish Heavyweight Scott Belshaw (6-0-0 , 5 ko's) would have been on the bill had he not injured his knee in a car crash(his car was struck by a lorry in a serious accident , but it looks like he'll be able to recover okay and continue on in his career)

stagolee

Big Ears wrote:

Matthew Macklin v Darren Rhodes has been added to the bill(although not officially yet)

So that makes:

Bernard Dunne v Kiko Martinez-European Super Bantamweight title
Tony Oakey v Brian Magee-British Light Heavyweight title
Matthew Macklin v Darren Rhodes-8 rounds Middleweight
Andy Lee v TBA-8 rounds Middleweight
Paul McCloskey v TBA-Light Welterweight

Definitely the best card we've had yet , so far anyway .

Promising Irish Heavyweight Scott Belshaw (6-0-0 , 5 ko's) would have been on the bill had he not injured his knee in a car crash(his car was struck by a lorry in a serious accident , but it looks like he'll be able to recover okay and continue on in his career)

Cool, Thats a nice card alright. I'm looking forward to this one

walshb

alanceltic wrote:

Yeah your in a comfortable place there..... If dunne wins in any manner you will go on a rant about the level of opposition put before him and if he looses or doesnt win convincingly you will say "i told ya so". U must have a sore a_rse from sittin on that fence

If anyone does NOT sit on the fence regarding Dunne, it is ME mate!!
Big ears knows his boxing, he just happens to be less harsh in his criticism's of Bernard's recent opponents than I. He is also less harsh in assessing Bernard's chances of winning a world title. So to placate Big ears, whom I respect, I decided to wait and see.

I think you should too!!!

walshb

and I am quite certain Bernard will win. How he wins will be a factor in me discussing him and his chances of a world title, as it should be.
If he is taken 12 rds by a very poor opponent, it will not impress me and it should not impress any keen educated fight fan. If Kiko turns out to be a quality opponent and Bernard beats him, it's simple really. Bernard gets all the applause I have.....

dlofnep

walshb's criticisms should not be attacked. he is entitled to examine bernard's career and opponents - i think it makes for good discussion on here.

walshb

dlofnep wrote:

walshb's criticisms should not be attacked. he is entitled to examine bernard's career and opponents - i think it makes for good discussion on here.

Thanks!!!

Limerick Dude

*bump* is this sold out?

alanceltic

Its not sold out.....

And im all for wholehearted discussions but Waslhb....lets call a spade a spade, u have gone on rants b4 about Dunne and no doubt you will continue to do so, like i said u have 2 scripts ready to post both of which are negative, one if he wins and one if he looses (or wins unconvincingly)..... Like I said Im all for open constructive discussion but come onnnnnn u know ur a knocker so lets just face up and smell the roses.

megadodge

Not that I think Walshb needs any help defending his point of view, but, I for one happen to agree with him on Bernard Dunne.

Bernard has been fed a number of quite mediocre opponents since his return to Ireland (Pickering being the best of them). He has been very well promoted (credit to Peters - I'm all for boxers being well looked after) and I really want to see him do well because he's Irish and he's a nice lad.

He has excellent boxing skills, speed, defence, general ring intelligence and confidence - all good so far.

However, looking objectively at him, I have a number of concerns:

Chin - The way he was all over the shop from one punch by the Russian Voronin really makes me worry if he was to face Marquez, Vazquez, Caballero or Ponce de Leon, all of whom are very heavy punchers. Even the one champ I feel he has a chance of beating (Molitor) has been showing much improved power of late.

Stamina - In virtually any of his 12 rounders there is an obvious slowing down over the last 3 rounds or so. This might also have been a contributory factor to his last round near-collapse against Voronin, but either way it's not good.

Physical strength - By any standards he is not strong and this contributes to his lack of durability.

Power - I don't tend to rate this concern as highly as Walshb, but it has to be mentioned nonetheless. His power is below average at even European level, so imagine what it'll be like at world level.

The way I see a challenge from Bernard to any of the aforementioned boxers going (with the exception of Molitor and Caballero) is Bernard boxing beautifully early on and winning the first 4-5 rounds with speed, intelligence and good footwork. All of which will not make a bit of difference as they will just keep coming and begin to close the distance as Bernard won't have the power to keep them off. In the next 2-3 rounds they will begin to land frequently and Dunne begin to hold more, but be bullied around physically when he does and eventually succumb in around 8-9 rounds to the sheer relentlessness, physical strength and power of these guys.

He could well outbox Molitor in a very tight chess match.

Caballero would destroy him (I think he is the best of the bunch).

This is my opinion and has been for quite a while. I genuinely hope I'm wrong as Bernard is good for boxing in Ireland, but I won't be betting on him winning a legitimate 'world' title.

jayroyal

well just for an input if you have seen any of bens sparring sessions with manny paq, the ghost guerro, and nate campell you'd have to say he was giving them all kinds of trouble and there all about his weight but sayin that when he was sparring them it was none of the low hands like ya seen him doing in the point and i think that is where his real downfall is in the video i seen him sparring paq man ben got the upper hand and manny didn't like it what so ever you nearly had to wonder how this was happening. nate campell lost the plot in their spar from not getting the upper hand but i think he has to start gatting his hands up and figting as a pro cause he ain't got that natural power for swicth hitting maybe if he plants his feet a bit more he might. also maybe his should have his training camps in amercia for better sparring hope he makes ours next world champ but i've a feeling ANDY LEE will before ben does finally pick one up.