Galway Bouncers

galwaybabe

Has anyone else had a problem with the bouncers of a certain late night pub on Dominic st? Don't want to mention any names for fear of reprisal:mad:

cornbb

What, MCD own pubs now??

No, I've never experienced problems with the bouncers of a certain late-night pub on Dominick St. A former housemate of mine did experience "problems" with the bouncers of a certain late-night pub on Dominick St. but he was a wanker.

unregd147

There is a difference between lads and girls having problems with bouncers. More cleavage?

galwaybabe

There is one particular bouncer there- a little runt with a goatie who struts around the place like he owns it. He has a serious problem with women. I know of four different incidents where he has singled out women and treated them like s****e

biko

Could you elaborate? Do they/he refuse entry, throw people out or just act the maggot? I have never had problems anywhere on Dom street, nor heard of any such stuff.
Btw, the title kinda refers to all bouncers in Galway but you just mention one.

galwaybabe

Manhandling a Spanish woman at the top of the stairs, knocking my mate's full pint all over him. He said cool it down and went and got another pint. about half an hour later he is tapped on shoulder and brought downstairs where he is surrounded by three bouncers who tell him they don't like being criticised. He showed them his beer covered shirt and told them what happened. No apologies were made and he was threatened
Another incident was a friend of mine who sparked up a cigarette in doorway of smoking area on her way out to the terrace. she was grabbed by this bouncer and thrown out of the pub.
Last week I went to go in and was refused entry at the door. I was dumbfounded and my mates tried to argue my case but he wasn't having it. While this was going on I watched this same bouncer stop a woman on her way out of the pub and searched her and her bag. Perplexing to say the least

gaeilgegrinds

Nope but have had huge problems at one nightclub. What can be done?

Zzippy

Pic please! You may be a suspicious looking character, we'll have to assess

Only problem I've had down westside was with one guy in Massimos, serious attitude problem if you don't finish your drink and get the f*ck out as soon as he yells time please.
Never had any problems in the "place that can't be named but is about the only pub down there with an upstairs...." :rolleyes:

padi89

Go into the place during the day and ask to speak to management,state your case and tell how you feel this particular bouncer is out of line.Im sure management would like to know if their security are acting up.

If its who i think you are on about i think the guy has an inferiority complex due to his height so he has to take it out on someone:D.

Small-man Syndrome I think it's called.

A guy that bounces on the door of CP's has it too.

kraggy

Galwayguy99 wrote:

Pic please! You may be a suspicious looking character, we'll have to assess

Only problem I've had down westside was with one guy in Massimos, serious attitude problem if you don't finish your drink and get the f*ck out as soon as he yells time please.
Never had any problems in the "place that can't be named but is about the only pub down there with an upstairs...." :rolleyes:

I think it's important to point out that the place you are referring to is "The West" and not "Westside".

Two different places entirely.

Zzippy

kraggy wrote:

I think it's important to point out that the place you are referring to is "The West" and not "Westside".

Two different places entirely.

Yes its very important to point that out. My mistake! Wouldn't want a load of tourists wandering round Rahoon looking for the Roisin....

biko

I thought we were talking about Voldemort?

Fey!

Did a male bouncer "grab" or "manhandle" a woman and throw her out, or did he tell her to get out? Big difference between the two.

If he did a stop and search, be it on the way in or the way out, he's taking a big risk; it's not allowed UNLESS it's a company policy.

And Biko; don't tar us all (bouncers) with the same brush; some of us do our best to be nice to drunken idiots who "know the law" and their "rights" wonder if we know who they are and tell us that we're beneath them.

gaeilgegrinds

I know the guy from Massimo's you're talking about, ass-wipe, not been there a while now! As for the club, not that one, the other one on that street but as they've the same bouncers could easily be the same guy!

biko

Fey! wrote:

And Biko; don't tar us all (bouncers) with the same brush; some of us do our best to be nice to drunken idiots who "know the law" and their "rights" wonder if we know who they are and tell us that we're beneath them.

Where do you get the impression that I don't like bouncers from? I never had any issues with a door monkey In fact I have done door work myself, pretty thankless job.

galwaybabe

Fey! wrote:

Did a male bouncer "grab" or "manhandle" a woman and throw her out, or did he tell her to get out? Big difference between the two.

absolutely definitely man-handled her

Fey!

galwaybabe wrote:

absolutely definitely man-handled her

In that case get on to his boss. If the guy continues on like that, then he's going to get the place in trouble, so his boss should care and do something about it.

@Biko; where did you have the misfortune of working?

muppetkiller

galwaybabe wrote:

Manhandling a Spanish woman at the top of the stairs, knocking my mate's full pint all over him. He said cool it down and went and got another pint. about half an hour later he is tapped on shoulder and brought downstairs where he is surrounded by three bouncers who tell him they don't like being criticised. He showed them his beer covered shirt and told them what happened. No apologies were made and he was threatened
Another incident was a friend of mine who sparked up a cigarette in doorway of smoking area on her way out to the terrace. she was grabbed by this bouncer and thrown out of the pub.
Last week I went to go in and was refused entry at the door. I was dumbfounded and my mates tried to argue my case but he wasn't having it. While this was going on I watched this same bouncer stop a woman on her way out of the pub and searched her and her bag. Perplexing to say the least

Searching a person is illegal without a Copper present. I'd go back and threated to sue.

galwaybabe

muppetkiller wrote:

Searching a person is illegal without a Copper present. I'd go back and threated to sue.

I wrote to the owner and mentioned all the incidents. He claimed that security is"not an exact science" and that he could see no evidence of the woman being searched

Karl Hungus

See if you can take a picture of the bouncer doing something like you've described, on a camera phone or other discrete gadget, and take it to the authorities.

muppetkiller

That's a silly comment from management..they would have the CCTV tapes if she was being searched. Ask to see them and bring a Garda.

gaeilgegrinds

The guards will never get involved in clubs, it's a private establishment. And tapes often go missing...strangely!

muppetkiller

Again by law the tapes need to be stored securely for at least a month.
Incase any incidents are reported during that time.

Fey!

Muppetkiller; you need to review your legal learnings.

A: It's not illegal for a doorman to search without a Garda present. If a Garda is present, they will do the search themselves. It is illegal for a doorman to RANDOMLY search people; if it is done as part of club policy where every customer is searched, then it is legal. It is also illegal for a man to search a woman.

B: It is not a legal requirement that a premises holds it's video tapes for one month. In fact, it's not a legal requirement for a premises to even have a surveillance system. If a premises has cameras, they are not obliged to show them to the public, even if asked. The holding of tapes for one month is a security "best practice", and with digital recorders the time a recording is held can vary from 15 days to 60 days depending on the system in use.

Also bear in mind that a digital "still" picture (ie, photograph) is often not admissable as evidence in court.

Fey!

BTW, Galwaybabe (OP); strange that your first posts on boards is giving out about an establishment which, although it isn't named, is easily recognised by your description.

Or am I being too much of a cynic?

po0k

I've never had stress from any bouncer since I turned 16.

JIZZLORD

was the syxpak as virile and beardy at 16 as we'd like to think?

galwaybabe

Fey! wrote:

BTW, Galwaybabe (OP); strange that your first posts on boards is giving out about an establishment which, although it isn't named, is easily recognised by your description.

Or am I being too much of a cynic?

nothing strange in it at all Fey. thought it would be a good place to find out if anyone else has had a similar experience. I didn't wnat to name the establishment because I am not up on the whole legality of giving out about businesses is. Obviously it is easily recognisable, Galway is a small city.
So yes, you are being too much of a cynic

BannedGugai

May I point out that the security tapes were examined? That's all I'm saying.

Zzippy

Ah the other side of the story...

Gugai, any tickets floating around for the Mundy gig???

podge018

Was down there a few weeks back, found the bouncer on Tigh Ceoli (?) to be an obnoxious bolllix. Refused 4 of us for no reason. Weren't bothered really, went back the next night out of spite and it was rubbish so left after a drink.

muppetkiller

podge018 wrote:

Was down there a few weeks back, found the bouncer on Tigh Ceoli (?) to be an obnoxious bolllix. Refused 4 of us for no reason. Weren't bothered really, went back the next night out of spite and it was rubbish so left after a drink.

You were probably too sober for Tigh Ceoli

muppetkiller

Fey! wrote:

Muppetkiller; you need to review your legal learnings.

A: It's not illegal for a doorman to search without a Garda present. If a Garda is present, they will do the search themselves. It is illegal for a doorman to RANDOMLY search people; if it is done as part of club policy where every customer is searched, then it is legal. It is also illegal for a man to search a woman.

Not exactly true A doorman has no legal power to search unless permission is granted by the person involved. So if this lady did not grant permission to have her bag searched and he did it anyway he could be in some trouble.

A doorman has no power of search under any legislation in Irish law..
(My Brother is a cop and this is what he is telling me here)

BannedGugai

Galwayguy99 wrote:

Ah the other side of the story...

Gugai, any tickets floating around for the Mundy gig???

always worth a try on either night - sometimes people have a spare one to sell....

Fey!

muppetkiller wrote:

Not exactly true A doorman has no legal power to search unless permission is granted by the person involved. So if this lady did not grant permission to have her bag searched and he did it anyway he could be in some trouble.

A doorman has no power of search under any legislation in Irish law..
(My Brother is a cop and this is what he is telling me here)

That is true, but refusal to allow a search becomes grounds to refuse entry IF it's a part of the door policy of the premises. Searching the bag on the way OUT is a definite no-no anyway; if the doorman belives that the person is up to something, then they should ring the Gardai and not get involved themselves (insofar as they have no right to get involved by doing a search).

Miguel_Sanchez

Bring back the seats in the back area and the staff will start behaving themselves - that's what I'm say.

And have a Bring Back The Naked Galwegian night every once and a while for god's sake Gugai.

damalo

On getting refused for no reason: Pubs/clubs are private establishments and you can be refused entry for "no reason". There are 9 things a door person cannot say to you or else they will discriminate (and you have a case). Otherwise they can turn anyone away. If I called to your home door and wanted to come in and you said no - would I be due a reason - no. Same thing, private premises.

On Searching: If someone is coming into a premises (like a club) and has not yet paid, legally they have not established a contract with the premises. A door person can ask someone to check their bag legally. If the person refuses then thats perfectly ok - they won't be let in however and there is no recourse because there is no contract. If they consent then no problem.

Searching someone on the way out is a grey area though. If the door person suggested that the person say had stolen something from the premises and the person was found with nothing. That person could take legal action against them. Some people even make a living from fooling department store security into thinking they have robbed something and then sue them for libel (or something similar) when they are apprehended outside the premises with nothing.

Don't go taking bloody pictures of anyone. People do that to me every week on the door and holy hell its so damn annoying. Its a total invasion of privacy and childish at best. And its not going to achieve anything positive here.

If you have a complaint about security personell make a complaint to the private security authority. Don't go asking to see someone's PSA license BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO, only PSA inspector/gaurds can ask for it. But make a complaint if you feel you've been wronged. That's what they are there for.

Fey - I didnt know you worked on the door?

muppetkiller

damalo wrote:

Some people even make a living from fooling department store security into thinking they have robbed something and then sue them for libel (or something similar) when they are apprehended outside the premises with nothing.

Actually I think the law on this one is they are fine provided the person has left the store. If they are apprehended inside the store (and they've stolen nothing) then the security are in trouble. They need to actually leave the shop first before they can be apprehended.

damalo

Not my area so couldnt be 100% but surely a security person apprehending someone outside of a premises and finding nothing had legal implications. But anyways - not my area just a general example.

I know that pub have a bag searching policy. With all the commotion that can happen at a door that girl who's bag was searched could have been confused for someone coming into the pub. You never know...

wet-paint

Gott in Himmel I hated retail security.

Robbo

wet-paint wrote:

Gott in Himmel I hated retail security.

You need to be a dedicated, highly trained professional like Knacker Dwarf's arch-nemesis, Fat Security Guard.

cheesemaker

whatever about legal stuff I dont understand why certin brutes will just ruin someones night for no reasons. everyone id say can tell you at least one story of not being let in,or just getting unessesary greef,when your just having a night out with your friends after a weeks work.Im sure doorstaff have to deal with drunkfools and trouble-makers every week.

but if all security dont want to be tarred with the same brush,dont do the same to us

wet-paint

I can honestly say I've never been unjustly turned away, and maybe only been refused about ten times ever. But I'm sure bouncers don't mind being referred to as brutes. It's a thankless job anyway, so the rewarding part is getting paid, and having the craic with your workmates. Any good manners from a punter was always an unexpected bonus I found, and that's not saying I was piggish or anything.

padi89

damalo wrote:

Don't go taking bloody pictures of anyone. People do that to me every week on the door and holy hell its so damn annoying. Its a total invasion of privacy and childish at best.

I think there is your answer OP,take a picture of him,that'll really piss him off.;)

biko

Ok a story from the olden days. I was drinking in an undisclosed pub back when flavoured shots were popular. This pub had maybe 20 different flavours.

I handed in my VISA and said "I'll try them all!" with chaser beer. I was sitting by the bar on a barstool and chatting with friends.
Hours later and several shots/beers: Suddenly someone told a joke that was so funny I leaned back to laugh when suddenly I fell backwards, stool and all.
As I was sprawling on the floor, drunk as a skunk, the bartender comes around the bar and the bouncer comes up from the door. They both help me to stand up and put the stool back up.
Then the bouncer goes back to the door and the barman goes around the bar and pours me another shot and beer. Now that's service for ya!

The GF wasn't impressed when I came home.

Fey!

damalo wrote:

Fey - I didnt know you worked on the door?

I stilll do the odd bit here and there; mainly just cover work for regular staff holidays and busy periods these days.

Bla__bla

I am posting this under a new username to protect my identity.

I believe I was trying to gain entrance to this particular pub recently. I have gone there on many occasions and have never been turned away before, or caused any trouble. One night recently I was refused entry by a particular security man “for being too drunk”. I admit I had had a few, it was my birthday and I was celebrating. I was however calm and composed when I patiently queued with my brother to enter the premises.

The week previous to this my girlfriend was refused entrance to the premises for not having any identification, fair enough. I asked a member for staff I know if they would kindly confirm to the security man that my girlfriend is old enough to enter, she was admitted. However on this night she was admitted ahead of me and I was refused entrance after this security individual recognised me from the previous week. I protested politely and offered him my ID to confirm I was coherent and celebrating my birthday, hoping to persuade him to admit me. While this was happening more security personal confronted me and asked what was happening. I attempted to explain and was told I was not coming in.

I was admittedly angry at this and jokingly refused to move from the doorway saying I was entitled to stand on the pavement. One of them pushed me with his chest to one side, I did not physically try to resist. I was then pulled from the view of the security camera and pinned to the wall and aggressively shouted at. I was released and I saw another security guard physically assaulted my brother, pinning him to the pavement, locking and twisting his arm behind and above him. As I went to assist my brother I was restrained from behind. All this took place outside the premises on the pavement and the road.

I lost my patience and threatened to prosecute, to which the security personal absorbed with dumbfound disbelief. I was making such a racket somebody who refused to identify himself, yet clearly representing management (if you can call it that) tried to calm the situation. After a while it was obvious I had nothing to gain from speaking to this individual and I left the scene with my friends.

I know I was not completely in the right in this situation, and I deeply regret endangering my loved ones. However the unprofessional and excessive force used in this potentially serious situation is a sorry reflection of the state of professional security in this country. I have personally witnessed individuals being forcefully and dangerously being removed down busy stairways in the establishment and I believe it is only a matter of time before a serious accident will happen.

The claim about girls being searched by men is valid in my opinion, my girlfriend has had her bag searched by a man entering the premises; his formal requested was “have you got drink in your bag?” I was informed on this particular night that I am barred from this particular establishment, and her sister establishments. However it is merely coincidence that I will never visit any of these places again; the thought of being a customer of such a business is unacceptable for me.

wet-paint

Nice post.

biko

have you got drink in your bag?

This is key imo. The bouncer asks above, you say "no". He says "can I check?" - you says ok. Hereby you waive rights by allowing him to search your bag. I could be wrong...

hairyfairy00

In the pub the OP was refering to i have never seen the security actually open somebodys bag and search inside, i have seen them feel the bag from the outside and if they think that they feel a bottle or cans inside they ask the owner of the bag to open it.
Not saying it has never happened, but i have never witnessed any of the door staff physically put their hands inside a customers bag or a male member of security accost a female customer.