Clocked Car alert

testicle

Just like to draw your attention to this car on carzone

http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=636114

Apparently, a 6 speed 1.9TDi 130bhp 4motion Passat with 72k, or is it...

It was imported on the 5th of June last year and it's old registration was DE03 CLF (cartell.ie)

So I ran a HPI check on it.

Turns out, that on 07 June 2006, it was recorded as having 107201 on the clock. See below.

Date recordedRecorded by
Mileage reading
Total
17-Oct-2003
Franchised Dealer
23,786
23,786

28-May-2004
Franchised Dealer
46,531
46,531

28-May-2004
Trade Association
46,537
46,537

12-Jan-2005
Trade Association
65,585
65,585

07-Feb-2005
Franchised Dealer
68,233
68,233

14-Feb-2005
Trade Association
68,837
68,837

30-Apr-2005
Trade Association
76,605
76,605

30-Sep-2005
Franchised Dealer
89,064
89,064

13-Mar-2006
Franchised Dealer
102,839
102,839

07-Jun-2006
BVRLA
107,201
107,201

But also interestingly, this is also apparently a

PASSAT S TDI, 5 Speed Manual Diesel

and not a 6 speed 4motion one as advertised. So is it a clone, as well as being clocked!?!

dodgyme

So what can be done about it? Can you contact anyone on this, like the papers?

Henry Ford III

The dealer could be in trouble over this. Are you going to report it?

digitally-yours

Also says "650MILES ON 1 TANK AMAZING CAR!!!!!!!!!"

I hope he is reported !

JHMEG

Wow. Nice work. Hope some poor sucker doesn't end up buying it. Can the real mileage be recorded on cartell.ie?

Is it my imagination or do VW and Audi diesels seem to be the most common targets for clocking? Are they especially easy to clock?

declanoneill

The department of consumer affairs would be very interested in this should anyone decide to report it.

Henry Ford III

Cartell is a waste of space. It gives no mileage validation, nor guarantee against duff info.

HPI does both and is essential for a UK sourced car.

silver campaign

Where do you go to get a HPI check done.
I wouldn't say VW Audi ae easier to clock than other cars.
It's probably the fact that more of these are being brought into the country as the demand for them is so high.

Henry Ford III

www.hpicheck.com

rubyred

I have a record of an HPI check done of my car when I bought it but it doesn't have records of the mileage. It also has "no previous owners" - which means that from April 2003 till November 2006 (when I bought it) no one had ever owned it. Bit strange????

testicle

rubyred wrote:

I have a record of an HPI check done of my car when I bought it but it doesn't have records of the mileage. It also has "no previous owners" - which means that from April 2003 till November 2006 (when I bought it) no one had ever owned it. Bit strange????

Yes, it had no previous owners, prior to the person that owned it when it was exported.

jonno23

I went to view this car in May, it had 12,000 miles ("original mileage") at the time, plus MOT cert from last year stating that the mileage was 7,600 miles:

http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=551263

I was suspicious as all the history & MOT were hand written; every wheel had a different brand of tyre; there were different wheel nuts on one wheel. There was overspray on rear bumper. A week later the advert was updated, mileage went up to 40K miles... !!

rubyred

testicle wrote:

Yes, it had no previous owners, prior to the person that owned it when it was exported.

I see - so garages arent' counted as owners. So the person who orignally bought it sold it to a garage in england, who sold it to the garage in Ireland, who sold it to me. I get it. Only 1 owner in England and I'm the first owner in Ireland.

gbh

Personally I wouldn't go near any car that was imported from England...

Gatster

Personally I wouldn't go near any car that was imported from England...

Obviously - All Irish cars are obviously 100% genuine :rolleyes:

Great spot by the OP, can't actually envisage where this place is in Swords though.

Owen

gbh wrote:

Personally I wouldn't go near any car that was imported from England...

I would, and have. If the history is good, and the underneath of the car hasn't been ravaged by road salt, most UK cars are in excellent condition, and usually have a fantastic spec.

kikel

Gatster wrote:

can't actually envisage where this place is in Swords though.

I went to test drive a cherokee in that place last year. I didn't take the testdrive in the end because when i arrived a mechanic had went out to source a new battery for it. When he arrived back in the jeep the bonnet was half open. Weird for a car i was meant to be test driving. Turns out they had fitted a new battery alright. But it was miles to big for the vehicle. IMO these people don't give a dam.

At this stage i just walked away.

delly

Any chance that it could be in KM's in that report?

rebel.ranter

Lads I would not make a clear cut between UK cars being bad & Irish ones so much better.
In the UK it is far easier (& has been for a long time) to trace the history of a car.

I have been offered fake tax discs (€60), fake NCT (€50), car clocking services (€100), all this without even asking. In fact when the people in question offered they made out I was a fool to do it legitamately!!! And up until recently there was no way of knowing what was the real values. Even now the likes of cartell.ie will not have all the info.

In my mind once you do the research on a UK car you are actually better off with an import. Look how easy it was for the OP to discover this car's shady history.

siralfalot

ned78 wrote:

I would, and have. If the history is good, and the underneath of the car hasn't been ravaged by road salt, most UK cars are in excellent condition, and usually have a fantastic spec.

agree 100%, there is a far better range to choose from.

kikel

delly wrote:

Any chance that it could be in KM's in that report?

The UK still use miles. Don't they?

TedKelly

testicle wrote:

Just like to draw your attention to this car on carzone

http://www.usedcars.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=636114

Apparently, a 6 speed 1.9TDi 130bhp 4motion Passat with 72k, or is it...

It was imported on the 5th of June last year and it's old registration was DE03 CLF (cartell.ie)

So I ran a HPI check on it.

Turns out, that on 07 June 2006, it was recorded as having 107201 on the clock. See below.


But also interestingly, this is also apparently a and not a 6 speed 4motion one as advertised. So is it a clone, as well as being clocked!?!

I think I'm gonna be sick. I bought this car 4 weeks ago, what do I do?

testicle

delly wrote:

Any chance that it could be in KM's in that report?

The UK has never heard of Kilometers.

bazz26

In my opinion if your looking at UK imports then go over there and look at the cars yourself, do your homework, background checks and HPI yourself.

I personally would not buy from these guys over here selling UK imports. Too dodgy for my liking.

kc66

TedKelly wrote:

I think I'm gonna be sick. I bought this car 4 weeks ago, what do I do?

It was confirmed in stock today.

TedKelly

To th OP, how did you come across the original Uk registration?

yop

So is anyone going to report this twat, OP well spotted, what made you check it for HPI?

testicle

yop wrote:

So is anyone going to report this twat, OP well spotted, what made you check it for HPI?

I do it as standard for UK imports that I'm interested in.

As for where I got the original UK registration, the €25 check on cartell.ie

TedKelly

Surely with the reg ending with 3217, wouldn't that mean that the car was originally registered here in Ireland. I was sure that when you import a car from the UK, the numbering after the county letters is higher, a guess at above 100,000.

rebel.ranter

TedKelly wrote:

Surely with the reg ending with 3217, wouldn't that mean that the car was originally registered here in Ireland. I was sure that when you import a car from the UK, the numbering after the county letters is higher, a guess at above 100,000.

Post a picture of it.

Owen

TedKelly wrote:

Surely with the reg ending with 3217, wouldn't that mean that the car was originally registered here in Ireland. I was sure that when you import a car from the UK, the numbering after the county letters is higher, a guess at above 100,000.

Not at all. You get the next reg in the queue. So, if the registrations are at 05KK1234 at the moment, you import a car, then you get 05KK1235.

TedKelly

I'm at work at the moment. Ya don't believe I own this car??? I will be glad to post a pic when I get home. If you were in my position, what would you do about this?

fletch

TedKelly wrote:

I'm at work at the moment. Ya don't believe I own this car??? I will be glad to post a pic when I get home. If you were in my position, what would you do about this?

I'd be going back to the garage armed with as much information as possible looking for a full refund.

testicle

Post a picture of it, and I'll send you the HPI check and the Cartell report. Then you need to see a solicitor.

kikel

It's an English car with an Offaly registration and the dealer is in Dublin. I doubt this dealer imported then car.

If you bought this car i'd say you could get a refund.

Lord Nikon

He might want to keep the car. I would want to keep the car, and get a few bob for my troubles.

digitally-yours

This is getting interesting guys

Looks like we have a major Crime scene i wonder if this is an Isolated incident or a wide practice.

I would say go even a step further Refund + cost for HPI plus business lost because of the time you wasted in comming back to him and all this !

eamon234

siralfalot wrote:

agree 100%, there is a far better range to choose from.

Absolutely I'd feel safer buying a UK car than an Irish one - too many grey areas here - there are garages in this country who employ people specifically to clock cars - even some main dealers - it's rife.

fletch

TedKelly....is it a 5speed or 6speed? 4motion or not?

TedKelly

testicle wrote:

Post a picture of it, and I'll send you the HPI check and the Cartell report. Then you need to see a solicitor.

No worries and thanks for your help. I won't be home until late but will post a pic a.s.a.p. and appreciate all advice.

TedKelly

fletch wrote:

TedKelly....is it a 5speed or 6speed? 4motion or not?

5 speed mate.

smash

Has anyone called the garage to see if that car is there and maybe tedKelly is just winding you all up...

but if you did buy the car, print that page now before the dealer removes it. and get the hpi and cartell report. Ask the dealer what's going on and if he gives you "that's how I got it" go to consumer affairs.

TomMc

TedKelly wrote:

Surely with the reg ending with 3217, wouldn't that mean that the car was originally registered here in Ireland. I was sure that when you import a car from the UK, the numbering after the county letters is higher, a guess at above 100,000.

Checking with Cartell for County Offaly in that year there are less than 3,500 car registrations.

JHMEG

Perhaps unkel or someone could sticky something at the top of the page with a title like: "When buying check if the car is a UK import; If it is HPI check it and verify the service history is present and correct. Otherwise don't buy".
Preferably a locked thread, just containing the relevant links to hpicheck etc.

Talk about clocking UK cars has been going around this forum for probably a year, but fortunately ala HPI etc it's easier to check out a UK car than an Irish one.

It's a shame a boards member (or anyone) has been scammed, considering the above knowledge has been around so long. Maybe time to highlight it better?

digitally-yours

Snapshot of the page on 16 May 2007 03:40:20 GMT.

Here

fletch

I also have the page saved just in case.

TedKelly

steve06 wrote:

Has anyone called the garage to see if that car is there and maybe tedKelly is just winding you all up...

but if you did buy the car, print that page now before the dealer removes it. and get the hpi and cartell report. Ask the dealer what's going on and if he gives you "that's how I got it" go to consumer affairs.

A mate of mine has just taken a photo of my car on his phone, will be posting shortly. (why this would be a wind up I dunno) Anyway, printed carzone article and 1st couple of pages from this thread. Was thinking of going to dealer in the morning but not sure which way to approach it. I like the car but not sure if I want to look for some refund or total refund and look elsewhere. Will definetly go to department of consumer affairs if I'm not satisfied. Thanks for the advice.

TedKelly

rubyred

Regardless of whether or not you want a refund etc., the Garage should be punished/fined/shut down by the Dept of Consumer Affairs. God knows how many other people have bought (and will keep on buying) dodgy cars off them.

rebel.ranter

Well the very least you will get is your money back. Is the dealer a member of the SIMI? It would be interesting how they deal with this one, what they'll say to defend the action, etc.
Sorry to hear you were duped.
There is the possibilty that they were using a picture your car to advertise another car? What's the mileage say on your clocks?

Not sure how best to approach this. The dealer may not have imported the car himself so may be unaware of it being clocked. However he is still responsible for your case.
Maybe talk to a solicitor first before talking to anyone else (preferably one that does not know the dealer in question)? At least that way you knwo the right thing to do legally. I would be looking fo rthe dealer to cover any associated fees too.

TedKelly wrote:

Will definetly go to department of consumer affairs if I'm not satisfied.

I would go to consumer affairs regardless.

rubyred

I work for a legal firm. There are two issues here. The first being that the car was clocked, and the second being that the car is still being advertised as being for sale when it has been sold for some time. That is false advertising and is a crime (using a pic of the car to advert another car is still false advertisment). The owner could claim damages for the car clocking and for the advertisment of his car (he owns it now) being advertised by a garage that does not own it and has no instructions from the owner to sell it. They can't use the excuse that they forgot to take the car off the website as it was cleared updated today as being still available for purchase.