Phil Baroni fails drug test (steroids)

septern

Baronii is the lastest to fail a drugs test for steroids, see below.

If things keep going like this, fairly soon the main orgs won't have enough available fighters to run events!!!

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Middleweight Phil Baroni (Pictures) tested positive for Boldenone and Stanozolol Metabolites, the California State Athletic Commission announced Tuesday afternoon. The 31-year-old from Long Island, New York has been fined $2,500 and suspended 365 days from the conclusion of his loss against Frank Shamrock (Pictures) on June 22 in San Jose. The final 51 days of that suspension will be fulfilled at the start of Baroni's next licensing year, should he decide to reapply.

"While we respect the process and intent of the test we are disappointed with the results as they are completely unexpected," said Baroni's manager, Ken Pavia. "Phil did not knowingly ingest these drugs, which we are told are veterinary in nature.

"We intend to exercise all rights that are afforded by the state commission and (CSAC Executive Officer) Armando Garcia."

Baroni joins Carter Williams, who was suspended six months and fined $1,000 following a positive test for cocaine, as the second fighter to test for banned substances following the Strikeforce/EliteXC co-promoted card.

"Phil Baroni feels that worse than any fine or suspension is the disgrace associated with the positive test to himself, his family and fans," Pavia said. "As such he asks that judgement be withheld until all facts are in evidence."

www.sherdog.com

HammerHeadGym

Baroni's manager, Ken Pavia wrote:

While we respect the process and intent of the test we are disappointed with the results as they are completely unexpected, Phil did not knowingly ingest these drugs, which we are told are veterinary in nature.

What an utter crock of shit. There is a limit to how big you can make the human body without substance abuse and Phil Baroni has exceeded that for years. I was in space last week and it was obvious he was juiced up to his beady, bloodshot eyballs.

Anyone who has spent any amount of time in and around the weight lifting scene will be able to spot as juicer's body from a mile away and Baroni was a textbook case.

walt0r

That boy has been a pin cushion for years, everybody knows it.

Dragan

HammerHeadGym wrote:

What an utter crock of shit. There is a limit to how big you can make the human body without substance abuse and Phil Baroni has exceeded that for years. I was in space last week and it was obvious he was juiced up to his beady, bloodshot eyballs.

Anyone who has spent any amount of time in and around the weight lifting scene will be able to spot as juicer's body from a mile away and Baroni was a textbook case.

Hmmmm…..at the risk of sounding pendantic I would disagree.

I think it's an important note to state there is a limit to how big you can naturally make the bodies musculature when you operate in a very heavily cardio and endurance driven environment. I know a few drug tested natural body builders who would the size of baroni all over, not just big arms and shoulder like Phil has and have never touched a steroid in there life because the main focus of the training is size and that’s it.

Not taking a shot at your or anything dude, it's just that as a big guy who has asked 4 times in the last 6 months if he is on steroids I just don't like the assumption that all big men are juice heads!

Now then, as far as Phil goes, without a doubt to maintain that kind of size in a strongly endurance and cardio based environment you need a little help. I dount anyone who follows the MMA game is surprised by that result at all.

arybvtcw0eolkf

A well known stack.

Yea the boy is guilty, fvck it I'm sick of hearing excuses made by athlete's and their support team's when this sh*t hits the fan.

cavedave

I think it's an important note to state there is a limit to how big you can naturally make the bodies musculature when you operate in a very heavily cardio and endurance driven environment.

This is a good point it is possible to get huge muscles but to do it while practicing swimming or some such is very dubious.

I have said before that i find the witch hunt involved in drug use a bit hypocritical. In the case of fight sports it might make more sense. There is a big difference between getting beaten in a cycling race and in a ring. Athletes who get punched harder because someone is cheating would understandably feel even more aggrieved then those who lose a race or somesuch.

FiannaGym.com

I'd disagree with you dave.

Sports for me is all about executing perfect skillsets - planing, training, skill development, explosive power, cardio, ring smarts etc in a holistic way, therefore, hopefully exceling in the sport.

It's not gamesmanship, cheating or any of that crap. If I was beaten in a bicycle race or a fight I'd still go crazy if the guy was cheating, depressing my tyres, doing roids, wearing a knuckle duster, whatever.

A little bit of physical pain doesnt even come into it.

Peace

Roper

^ I agree wholeheartedly with Fianna^ Cheating is cheating, and if you want to see pain greater than any fight, have a look at cyclist's faces during mountain stages.

Dragan

Bingo.... in all the positive tests that have gone on i have only ever heard of ONE being sucessfully appealed.

It's a joke, cheating is cheating. At the end of the day, using steroids to aid you in a fight is pretty much admitting you felt you couldn't beat the guy your fighting.

Stronger punishments wouldn't go amiss, to be honest.

cavedave

^ I agree wholeheartedly with Fianna^ Cheating is cheating, and if you want to see pain greater than any fight, have a look at cyclist's faces during mountain stages.

Put it this way, imagine a supersteroid was invented. 100 metre race is won in 7 seconds, sprint finishes at stage ends go faster then motorcycles. The cycling up a hill is now no harder for the clean athlete just less fair.
In an fight doped to this level the clean athlete would quite literally get their head knocked off.
NFL might be a better example, drug use seems to have lead to a huge number of injuries in recent years. The guys you are competing with are so big they will not only damage their own health but also yours. In cycling they are only damaging their health by their drug use.

Colm_OReilly

Phil Baroni has always appeared a knobjockey to me, so I'm glad he's out of the picture.

My personal feelings aside Sport in general represents something beyond a physical challenge. Sport is an inspiration to those who watch it and strive to do better in any area of their life.

When we see a team or athlete break a new record or succeed it fills us with a deep sense of pride in humanity.

The use of drugs is tantamount to saying that we are weak, and cannot achieve greatness without the use of chemicals. it cheapens the entire sport and as such carries with it such severe penalties.

This is a rather truncated argument I'll admit but hopefully you understand the message.

For my part I wish that the financial fines were higher. $2.5K might seem high to us but most high level athletes probably hit an annual six figure income, so they need harsher fines. I get that they lose money by not being able to compete for a period however most people won't factor this in.

Fozzy

There's no mention of them losing their earnings for the fight, only a small fine in comparison to what they would have earned. I don't think they should be able to get any money from a fight they cheated in

Colm_OReilly

Colm_OReilly wrote:

Phil Baroni has always appeared a knobjockey to me, so I'm glad he's out of the picture.

LOL Fighter bashing from a mod, open season so!!! LOL JK



Seriously though, who is honestly suprised, he's had a roided up build for a long time, my only suprise is that its taken till NOW for him to get caught....

cavedave

My personal feelings aside Sport in general represents something beyond a physical challenge. Sport is an inspiration to those who watch it and strive to do better in any area of their life.

That is a nice way of putting it

When we see a team or athlete break a new record or succeed it fills us with a deep sense of pride in humanity.

Makes sense

The use of drugs is tantamount to saying that we are weak, and cannot achieve greatness without the use of chemicals.

We are weak and cannot achieve greatness without the use of chemicals. Look around you everything that means you are not dying of some unpleasant disease in a mud filled hole is through the use of chemicals. All economic growth since the dark ages could be traced back to new and improved usage of chemicals.

An interesting question is what causes world records

1. better good technology, pole vaulting bars from carbon fibre and laser eye surgery, creatine and such
2. Better training. Simply put science causes economic growth so more money to spend on sport so nutritionists and physios etc get employed
3. Physiological freaks. People like Eoro Maentyranta who would now be banned for “unnatural” heamocrit levels
4. Better bad technology. Drug use that allows heamocrit levels the same as if you could afford to train at altitude and other effects.

How much do each of these effects have? The only evidence I could find was here
“From 1964 to 1988 the relative strength of the world record holders in those weight classes increased by 21% …The same analysis in other types of sports, where there had been some changes in training methods over the same period of time, revealed that the maximum improvement was only 9% “
So in many sports most of the improvement from the mid sixties has probably been due to drug use.

There's no mention of them losing their earnings for the fight, only a small fine in comparison to what they would have earned.

unenforced laws with very small penalties do seem like a unwise idea if you really do want to stop something.

Subbway

cavedave wrote:

That is a nice way of putting it


3. Physiological freaks. People like Eoro Maentyranta who would now be banned for “unnatural” heamocrit levels
4. Better bad technology. Drug use that allows heamocrit levels the same as if you could afford to train at altitude and other effects.

karelin.jpg

Just had to post picture of Karelin to these. Wonder which one is he maybe both. Atleast Physiological freak.

walt0r

Ah, c'mon Dragan and stop talkin' ****e. The difference between the physique of a person who's juicing and is natty is obvious to anybody who has sa clue.
Albeit some people, a rare few, can get very muscular without the use of drugs it's still clear enough when you compare them with seasoned juice monkeys.

Dragan

walt0r wrote:

Ah, c'mon Dragan and stop talkin' ****e. The difference between the physique of a person who's juicing and is natty is obvious to anybody who has sa clue.
Albeit some people, a rare few, can get very muscular without the use of drugs it's still clear enough when you compare them with seasoned juice monkeys.

No offence Waltor, i understand that you lift and all but you really haven't a clue what the human body is able to do without the use of drugs.

Like i said, i have been asked 4 times in 6 months if i am on gear..... apparently it's not all that clear to the average person.

HammerHeadGym

Dragan wrote:

...apparently it's not all that clear to the average person...

But we're not tqalking about the average person here. I mean athletes with a grounding in weight training. My point is that in a blind test of say 20 lifters, half juice heads and half naturals, someone like yourself could score all 20.

As an aside I used to get asked what gear I was on when I lifted. It pissed me off at first, cause I've never taken any, but then I got to like the idea that I was so big people figured I had to be cheating

Dragan

Dragan wrote:

No offence Waltor, i understand that you lift and all but you really haven't a clue what the human body is able to do without the use of drugs.

Like i said, i have been asked 4 times in 6 months if i am on gear..... apparently it's not all that clear to the average person.

Do u train a serious amount of MMA as well as your weight training though, that would halt growth.


Baroni is obviously a juicer just from lookin at him.

Dragan

Dragan wrote:

No offence Waltor, i understand that you lift and all but you really haven't a clue what the human body is able to do without the use of drugs.

Like i said, i have been asked 4 times in 6 months if i am on gear..... apparently it's not all that clear to the average person.

Do u train a serious amount of MMA as well as your weight training though, that would halt growth.


Baroni is obviously a juicer just from lookin at him.

dlofnep

Baroni caught on steroids? Never!

robric

septern wrote:

........ test we are disappointed with the results as they are completely unexpected," said Baroni's manager, Ken Pavia. "Phil did not knowingly ingest these drugs, which we are told are veterinary in nature........www.sherdog.com

the doctor gave me something to cure a cold doesnt work when you are taking horse tablets so you just deny it all, and hes sorry for his fans then when he doesnt have the decency to say that he cheated, cheating is bad enough without being a lying **** as well, look how drugs have taken the credability out of cycling in the last few years, every second cycling fan is convinced that lance armstrong is on roids and he has never tested positive but the sport he is in has been tained so much that the preception is that he is on them

MMA needs to be careful that it makes an example of this so that it doesnt get the same rap as cycling and the same goes for NFL, not to be mentioning barry bonds either...

Colm_OReilly

Dave,

I understand where you're coming from. I'm merely putting across the high concept view of drug use by the sports governing bodies.

Another concept which I failed to mention was that durg use is clandestine. The use of all other technologies/training methods is accountable and transferable, whereas drug use is hidden, unregulated, and untested.

A argument erupted in cycling a few years back when tri bars become popular. For those who don't know, tri bars enable a cyclist to get lower on the bike and create a more aerodynamic shape. Triathlons used them but cycling for a long time forbade them. Now they're common use, but usually only seen in time trials.

As for the "I didn't know I was using them" it's a legitimate excuse. Drug offences, in most sports anyway, carry two penalties. One is the first penalty of stripping of whatever accolade you've achieved. The second is your long term penalty.

There was a Russian girl once (I don't have a name I'm sorry) who took a medal at Barcelona (I think) in gymnastics. She tested positive for pseudoephidran (sp?) - which was a banned substance then. Her coach - a dimwit - had given her cold medicine containing the substance.

Although she was stripped of her title, they did not ban her from future competitions as she was 'innocent' in the matter. She still has to be held accountable for what goes into her body but there was no need to punish her further. Anyway, she'd be too old and the wrong shape by the next Olympics.

O'Leprosy

I hate that arrogant a$$hole.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Just a small point Colm.

That was Romanian gymnast Andreea Raducan in the Sydney 2000 Olympics.

Her coach took the rap, but there's not a snowballs chance in hell did she take a cold remedy. Either knowingly or unknown to herself she was given Ephedrine. I'd like to think that her young age was exploited and she personally was entirely innocent.

As regards Baroni, seriously just once I'd like to see an athlete admit to their offence. He tried using what he thought was short acting drugs and got caught, simple as.

One other small point people should be aware of.

Its thought that the great strenght gain's made from Stanozolol (Winny) remain with the user long, long after the cycle as finished. Unless almost every other steroid, which mean's should Baroni get away with this (somehow) he still keeps his gains!.

Another thing about this cycle is that its not a cycle which will pile on the pounds, so the athlete can cycle both compounds, get huge strenght gain's while still remaining in his weight devision.

Btw, both compounds are intended for horse's so it might be worth putting a bet on his next fights

walt0r

Dragan wrote:

No offence Waltor, i understand that you lift and all but you really haven't a clue what the human body is able to do without the use of drugs.

Like i said, i have been asked 4 times in 6 months if i am on gear..... apparently it's not all that clear to the average person.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. You think anybody with a clue would ask you if you were juicing? Just cos you got asked a few times by newbies doesn't mean us other mere mortals do. Actually, come to think of it, I have been asked plenty of times by friends and some randomers and I'm not big at all, but pretty ripped at 6' 5" and a little over 14 stone (I look about 15 stone). People just don't know jack ****. But we're going off topic a little here...Baroni sucks anyways.

Clive

Colm_OReilly wrote:

As for the "I didn't know I was using them" it's a legitimate excuse. Drug offences, in most sports anyway, carry two penalties. One is the first penalty of stripping of whatever accolade you've achieved. The second is your long term penalty.

There was a Russian girl once (I don't have a name I'm sorry) who took a medal at Barcelona (I think) in gymnastics. She tested positive for pseudoephidran (sp?) - which was a banned substance then. Her coach - a dimwit - had given her cold medicine containing the substance.

Although she was stripped of her title, they did not ban her from future competitions as she was 'innocent' in the matter. She still has to be held accountable for what goes into her body but there was no need to punish her further. Anyway, she'd be too old and the wrong shape by the next Olympics.

On this point, it's important to note that the girl was a minor.

In the case of adults, "I didn't know" IS NOT A VALID EXCUSE. A strict rule of athlete liability applies. It's up to the competitor to ensure that anything their coach, doctor, mammy, flatmate or some dude down the gym gives them is not prohibited.

Fozzy

Mairt wrote:

Btw, both compounds are intended for horse's so it might be worth putting a bet on his next fights

We'll have to wait a full year though!

FiannaGym.com

A serious number of fighters (not in Ireland) take Winstrol, that from personal expereince. Out side of my own expereince I would never accuse someone of cheating with drugs, I'd always give them the benifit of the doubt.

Baroni did post an appology, not an explicit one but everyone knew what he was saying.

Myself, I have never been offered drugs but people often say "What the hell are you on"... I would imaging its because Im a ripped monster. People also ask what my pit bull is on, where I got my tap out beanie and tribal tats... thank you UG

Steroids will not fill you with peace and love.

Peace

arybvtcw0eolkf

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Steroids will not fill you with peace and love.

Peace

Dunno about that one. Anytime I've been up to my titties in Testo I wan have to spread that love

bugler

Bans of 6 months or a year for drug cheats are not sending out a strong message on this matter. With those sort of repercussions some fighters will definitely think it's worth the risk. Bans of 5 years should be a reference point. 2nd offences should result in lifetime bans, or effective lifetime bans.

goo

At 31, five years would be lifetime for Phil Baroni. Unless his next fight would be Frank Shamrock too...or maybe Ken.