I like transexual girls, but im a bit confused

LegacyUser

Ok so I wouldnt consider myself gay, I dont have an interest in men, Im 17. But I really like transexual girls, really femenine girls with penises. I look up that sort of porn a lot. Anoyone else like this ? does it make me gay or what ?

Also anyone know where i can meet these sort of women. Im aware its probably an embarrasing secret for most but im sure theres somewhere to meet women like this

PhantomBeaker

Yeah... there are a good few guys like that. They don't consider themselves gay but do like trans girls.

Trans people might call them TFs for Trans-Fanciers or Trans-Fans (or less polite meanings for F) or Chasers. The way I find most guys describe themselves is as "Admirers", although some other people use that term for non-sexual purposes.

You're definitely not alone though, it seems there are a good many of you out there.

I'll leave it to someone else to say where to find them, although I've seen a number of personals on gaire. After that, I haven't the faintest.

Best of luck,
Aoife

azezil

This may be of some use to you

Anthony_1980

doesnt make u gay , i think its just a kinky thing , im a 100 % straight man and wouldnt go as far as saying i like trannies , but the ones who look very very feminem theres just something kinky about that or some reason , ive always been open minded about sex and trying anything with a woman , and im only into women

PhantomBeaker

Now, I apologise if I'm stirring things slightly, but I have to say, I've been curious about this for a long time...

How come so many guys who like the trannycock say "But I'm not gay" and really press the point on this? I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm glad that they're not, because then there's a slim chance that you might be seen as a girl and not as some sexual curiosity to be fetishised, or just as a messed up guy... but, I'm always amazed at how often people find the need to prefix everything with that.

I mean, why not just say "Hi, I'm <insert name here>, and I like the girlcock." and not have every second sentence be some rehash of "I'm really, really straight! No really, totally straight! I'm not gay!", which generally just reminds me of one of the scenes from the Local Shop (tm) in the League of Gentlemen: "We didn't burn him!"

Like I said, I'm not trying to stir or anything, I'm just genuinely curious.

Aoife

Rev Hellfire

I must say I'm equally curious. The very fact that they are looking for someone with a 'cock' puts squarely in the area of male looking for male.

As for the OP I would say that in my opinion that it means you certainly have inclination to homosexual behaviour since its males you're looking for.

BuffyBot

I think your seeing a sexuality as a black/white option. It's more a sliding scale and an and/or.

Louisevb

As the webmistress of the above linked Tranniehaven.com, I find all your remarks quite normal.
I am a transexual woman on hormones, living and working 24/7 m2f
Where I think there is a difficulty, is in the way Irish men behave towards a TS. Many want to " experiment" and they treat me as such. I find this very insulting, as I am a human being first, by accident I happen to be TS.
Hopefully as people become more used and accepting of the transexual then attitudes will change. Currently I find Irish men in particular, to be unsure of what they want, to be unable to meet in public, and to think of the TS in terms of perverted sex.
Until such times as Irish men lighten up and treat me as the female I am, I will not be seeing anyone to "experiment"

Rev Hellfire

Louisevb wrote:

As the webmistress of the above linked Tranniehaven.com, I find all your remarks quite normal.
I am a transexual woman on hormones, living and working 24/7 m2f
Where I think there is a difficulty, is in the way Irish men behave towards a TS. Many want to " experiment" and they treat me as such. I find this very insulting, as I am a human being first, by accident I happen to be TS.
Hopefully as people become more used and accepting of the transexual then attitudes will change. Currently I find Irish men in particular, to be unsure of what they want, to be unable to meet in public, and to think of the TS in terms of perverted sex.
Until such times as Irish men lighten up and treat me as the female I am, I will not be seeing anyone to "experiment"

That my friend is a whole different story.

Here the OP is not looking for a woman (or even a man who thinks he's a woman), rather he's looking for a man who happens to have some of the dominate characteristics of a woman but and here's the rub is still identifiably male. Its that last clause which makes me say its a homosexual fantasy with a fetish aspect to it.

Anthony_1980

when i said there was something kinky i didnt mean i like looking at cock

as soon as u see cock u turn away and its gross and turns u right off etc

just amazed at how woman like some people can be its weird

Boston

A penis is a penis mate, it's no more gross the anything else.

Anthony_1980

yes but thats not what im into

never had homophobic tendancies ok

ive 2 gay mates and id never swing the other way doesnt appeal to me at all

plus the ts its just how woman like people can be , id never want to meet 1

im straight and just always been into trying diff things with women

im simply just giveing my opinion , doesnt mean ur gay unless u want to be shagged by one or be with one

neither applies to me

Rev Hellfire

Anthony_1980 wrote:

yes but thats not what im into

never had homophobic tendancies ok

ive 2 gay mates and id never swing the other way doesnt appeal to me at all

plus the ts its just how woman like people can be , id never want to meet 1

im straight and just always been into trying diff things with women

im simply just giveing my opinion , doesnt mean ur gay unless u want to be shagged by one or be with one

neither applies to me

I kind of confused here, unless you're the original poster (which I'm assuming you're not) then no one has said anything to imply you "like looking at cock".
The topic refers to pre-op trans and the OP's kink for 'women' with additional dangly bits.

Anthony_1980

i know i was just saying that if u like them doesnt automatically mean u gay thats the point i was saying

if u saying u want a ts to shag or shag u or whatever tickles peoples fancy then u gay

Karl Hungus

Anthony_1980 wrote:

i know i was just saying that if u like them doesnt automatically mean u gay thats the point i was saying

if u saying u want a ts to shag or shag u or whatever tickles peoples fancy then u gay

Wow. Grammar is screaming in agony right now.

Louisevb

Guys labels labels
I'm m2f transexual...and see myself as straight female, and into guys, but I can also be with a women as long as there is a mental connection... so am I bisexual or a lesbian?
If I was Filippino, I'd see myself as gay, because that's the way it is in their culture..
Forget the labels... just take the product

MojoMaker

Louise, I hope this question doesn't offend in any way, have you had gender reassignment surgery or are you just getting into the new role gradually?

Ok, basically, do have an innie or an outie? Sorry, I'm pretty lost with this stuff...and have not met someone who has had this, or going to...

Boston

The terms you're looking for are pre-op and post-op.

aidan24326

I honestly think guys who are overly quick to drop in the 'but I'm not gay I'm 100% straight really etc.' are clearly on the defensive and either have some gay tendencies or are just very uncomfortable with the idea.

To me nobody is 100% anything, the person who said it's on a sliding scale is pretty much spot on. I would consider myself straight but wouldn't bother emphasising the 100% bit.

To the OP I would say this is nothing to worry about. You like what you like. Big deal if you're into transgender. It doesn't mean you're necessarily gay. I just wouldn't be expecting to do much about it unless you're comfortable with the idea of dating such a person, as louise said a ts person doesn't want to be a guinea pig for you or anybody else. If it's just a sexual fetish then maybe you need a holiday in Thailand or something.

Anthony_1980 wrote:

i know i was just saying that if u like them doesnt automatically mean u gay thats the point i was saying

if u saying u want a ts to shag or shag u or whatever tickles peoples fancy then u gay

Thanks for that wonderful insight Anthony.

Anthony_1980

its not a sexual reason why i like em

just weird at how woman like a man can be

i wouldnt **** at it or want to be with a ts , doesnt turn me on at all its more a observation thats all

Louisevb

That picture is of a good friend of mine...Probably one of the classiest girls in town. Like myself she is Ts pre op. We are both into guys, because we see ourselves as female.
What any guy sees is a woman... nothing more... nothing less.
The problem arises when the prospect of a relationship forms, not with either of us but with the guys... What will my mates think? What will my family think? What will the people at work think?
The above is the thinking process of the average Irish guy.
Thinking outside the box ( if you will forgive the expression) doesn't enter the average guys head.. Look at the person, look at the personality, treat them with courtesy and respect. Forget what the priest told you, forget what your mam told you.... go with the flow. We are human beings, and we feel like everyone else. Being TS is not a lifestyle choice, it's a treatable clinical condition.. all we have done is to accept it and face up to it, so that we may lead a happy life. end of rant

Nevyn

Anthony_1980 wrote:

its not a sexual reason why i like em

just weird at how woman like a man can be

i wouldnt **** at it or want to be with a ts , doesnt turn me on at all its more a observation thats all

That's nice that you know what does and not turn you on but y'know what
whoop dee doo this thread is not about you.

Just beacuse it is not your things and you can't understand how it could be your thing then that does not mean it is not for anyone else or that them finding it a turn on is wrong.

Hmm_Messiah

Louisevb wrote:

What any guy sees is a woman... nothing more... nothing less.
The problem arises when the prospect of a relationship forms, not with either of us but with the guys... What will my mates think? What will my family think? What will the people at work think?
The above is the thinking process of the average Irish guy.
Thinking outside the box ( if you will forgive the expression) doesn't enter the average guys head.. Look at the person, look at the personality, treat them with courtesy and respect. Forget what the priest told you, forget what your mam told you.... go with the flow. We are human beings, and we feel like everyone else. Being TS is not a lifestyle choice, it's a treatable clinical condition.. all we have done is to accept it and face up to it, so that we may lead a happy life. end of rant

Louisevb, that wasn't a rant I liked the thinking outside th "box" bit.
But I am not sure its true that what any guy sees is a woman nothing more/ less.... a small example would be hands which often are clearly masculine and so suddenly more/less than a woman is seen.

Personally I don't think I'd have any problem with family/friends etc if seeing a post-op m2f(btw that too is a label - they tend to be convenient thats why people use them) . I'd only have difficult with...I dunno..... seeing a woman who also had male bits....I like women, I like men....just not in the same person. Not only the physicality but I think my mind would keep triggering questions or conflicts.

I think its a brave thing to go so far in indentifying with what you understand as your true gender. I would almost envy your commitment and strength if its brought you happiness and contentment. But I think the emphasis should e taken off the sexaul/physical, what peopel would find difficult I think is simply the difference. My partner is non-irish, considerably younger, and erm a guy. The being with a guy bit is probably the least difficult bit (in that there are any difficulties)

Some day hopefully what you have experienced will be seen as corrective rather than anyway deviant or wrong. But being a small minority in a world that sturggles with diversity, there will always be challenges.

Louisevb

Hmm_Messiah
Thanks for that.
The thing about the hands, is that the hormones, will change that, over a short time maybe three months and they will also feminise facial skin etc. Eventually some of us will go for full surgery, as in a pre op state on hormones we are neither male or female...
What people in general don't realise is that if you have a mental connection with someone, then the sexual bit will come after, whether that someone is male or female...subject of course to being able to break the taboos, of religion, family and social pressures etc.
I'm living 24/7 and coming up against having to " educate" people on gender issues in relation to being TS. When I transitioned I did not anticipate I'd have to start overcoming other people's prejudices and misconceptions, but sadly that seems to be the case and will be an ongoing work in progress.

Nevyn

I would be of the opinion that it is more the the physical attributes that a person is attracted to in another person and when you are interested in them then you will want to please and pleasure them and see them in orgasmic after glow and that can and does transcend what you are willing to do to them and for them never mind what physical parts they have or don't have.

Anthony_1980

another thing besides the hands is an adams apple u cant get rid off and deep voice

Nevyn

Both can be altered via surgery and the voice can also be altered with voice coaching/training.

Anthony_1980

ud never see ts like u see on film in dub

always just a man with a wig

Rev Hellfire

Anthony_1980 wrote:

always just a man with a wig

I guess its like anything in life, some people will pull of a better impression of a woman than others.

Nevyn

There is a good chance Anthony_1980 that you have passed by m2f people on the street and never noticed or for a second considered that their genetics are XY.

Oh any by the way please use the keyboard and not textspeak and it is hard for those who have dyslexia.

Morrigan

Louisevb wrote:

We are both into guys, because we see ourselves as female.

I find this point of view interesting. It is possible to be into guys, and not see yourself as female, right?

Also, I noticed the use of the term "transgender", seemlying interchanged with "transsexual", but in my experience is very different from "transsexual". Gender is to do with the mind, sexual to do with the body. They are not always mutually inclusive.

Louisevb

Quote "I noticed the use of the term "transgender", seemlying interchanged with "transsexual", but in my experience is very different from "transsexual". Gender is to do with the mind, sexual to do with the body. They are not always mutually inclusive."
The term transgender is used to cover the spectrum from cross dresser through transvestite to Transexual
It is a broad term. The difference between transexuals and the rest is that, with the transexual gender is the issue... a body in the opposite gender to the mind.
With the remainder it is usually sexual and even a fetish. Most transvestites are hetrosexual, or bisexual.

You can be into guys as a m2f transexual, but would always see yourself as female. If you do not see yourself as female then you are not a transexual

LegacyUser

Hi,
posting my own experience here for the benefit of the OP. I accept it may not be everyones idea of good advice and apologise for any offence it may cause as i see there are tgirls posting here, so no offence intended.
Anyway, similar to OP, i too got interested in this type of porn. A little older than the op was, i think i was about 22 when i was first exposed to it, via the internet. Up until then, i had never had any feelings other than heterosexual ones. Had plenty of girlfriends, and was quite happy with women.
I guess i became more or less addicted to looking at ts porn, a friend of mine sent me a link to some ts site as a 'joke' and that was kind of where it started. I downlaoded alot of it, and got more and more curious until eventualy after a couple of years of looking i did what the op was considering, and sought out a ts, and no offense to louise here it was for 'experimenting' purposes. I met a ts anyway, didnt have sex, i couldnt bring myself to, but did fool around, you know yourself.
This was a couple of years ago now...all i can say it did for me was mess with my head. When i was 20, i was happy with how my life was with women, this obsession has done nothing but screw with my head. A few years of confusion thingking 'am i gay? am i straight? am i this, or that', its not a nice place to be. Im trying to just get over it once and for all and sort my head out for good...i am not attracted to men, i never have been, and right now im in a relationship with a girl i love dearly and do not want anything else. this is why i said i dont mean any offence in the beginning of the post, because im sure for alot of people out there its nothing major, just could be viewed as bisexuality, but i can categorically state that if i had NEVER been exposed to ts porn, the thought would never have ONCE crossed my mind. Wether seeing it online awoke some dormant feelings, i dont know, all i do know is i was happier with more peace of mind when they were still dormant. So my advice to the OP is, right now, just STOP. If you value peace of mind, if youre happy being with women, just quit it altogether now, stop the downloading, dont seek out ts's...just leave it be, and move on with your life. Youre young and mixed feelings are normal at that age..unless you really think you might be gay and this is just a gateway to full on gay feelings...my advice is leave it be.

Kazobel

Anthony_1980 wrote:

ud never see ts like u see on film in dub

always just a man with a wig

Thats because most of us have been doing this for a while and pass really well, the whole point is not to look like a man in a wig. If you can't pass before the operation you won't pass after so we put alot of work into our appearence, deportment, how we speak etc. What you see on TV isn't a representation of Transsexuals but more a representation of the Transsexual sterotype that people easier identify with. Not all of us have obvious Adams Apples nor big hands.

To the OP, I'm afraid IMO you're gay or maybe bi. You want to be with someone soley because of a physical attribute that would normaly be considered the male attribute, there's no disire to make any emotional or intellectual connection as in you don't care as long as she has a penis, the penis being the most important factor.

Marksie

Thaedydal wrote:

I would be of the opinion that it is more the the physical attributes that a person is attracted to in another person and when you are interested in them then you will want to please and pleasure them and see them in orgasmic after glow and that can and does transcend what you are willing to do to them and for them never mind what physical parts they have or don't have.

Loving someone regardless of the plumbing.

I dont believe the physicalities would bother me. It would be more important that they were honest with me.
Still as was pointed out, accepting each other totally is one thing, the pressures being brought to bear by the outside may be the difficulty indeed.
The couple may think outside of the box, but the strain they may be under by being open about it would be many times greater.

Stark

Kazobel wrote:

To the OP, I'm afraid IMO you're gay or maybe bi. You want to be with someone soley because of a physical attribute that would normaly be considered the male attribute, there's no disire to make any emotional or intellectual connection as in you don't care as long as she has a penis, the penis being the most important factor.

I'd be inclined to call it a fetish or a kink rather than a sexuality. Or even just simple garden variety curiosity.

Kazobel

Stark wrote:

I'd be inclined to call it a fetish or a kink rather than a sexuality. Or even just simple garden variety curiosity.

And how does giving it a name like that make a guy looking for someone with with a penis any less gay? The main focus of the "fetish", "Kink" or "curiosity" as you call them is still the penis and thats not straight in my opinion.

Stark

Neither does having a foot fetish make you straight, but it doesn't make you gay either. The fact is the guy has stated he's attracted to women, albeit being a bit curious about women with extra attachments.

We had a thread here before where someone was asking if gay guys would go out with an M2F or not, as if the Y chromosome was the only factor for us. The resounding answer was "No, I'm gay. Why would I want to go out with a woman?". Had the question been "would you date an F2M?", I reckon the thread would have gone somewhat differently. There would probably have been a few "oh no, gross" replies but also a few "Maybe, depends" replies also.

You've stated yourself that you identify as M2F. Whom do you think you'll be seeking as a partner, a homosexual man or a heterosexual man?

Kazobel wrote:

still the penis and thats not straight in my opinion.

It's a little piece of flesh that makes up a tiny proportion of someone's body. And it's the last thing someone will see when they look at a prospective partner. The OP will be acting on a certain amount of attraction to the rest of the person before he gets that far, and he's stated that he prefers to act on attraction towards women. If he was gay, then finding someone with a penis would be a lot less complicated.

Hypatia

This individual who posted looking for a woman with a penis is obviously a homosexual in denial of his homosexuality. He needs a feminine face to look at, so as assage his screwed up head that he is in fact not having homosexual sex, when in reality he is.

That individual is not looking for a transsexual person. He is looking for a type of transvestite. In plain language he is looking for a man, not a male to female transsexual person. He nees to book a flight to London, Amsterdam, Berlin, Milan, Bangkok or San Francisco and find the nice feminine man of his dreams.

For those of you who like to think of transsexual people as sex objects. Transsexualism kicks of, in children from about four years old. Transsexual people are not a sex object for you to **** of at, just as people with any other medical condition from chidlhood are not to be wanked of at. Maybe some of you should think about that.

Kazobel

Stark wrote:

Neither does having a foot fetish make you straight, but it doesn't make you gay either. The fact is the guy has stated he's attracted to women, albeit being a bit curious about women with extra attachments.

But thats the thing, it's the extra part that is the focus of his "fetish" and like it or not it's still a male attribute and thats not straight.

We had a thread here before where someone was asking if gay guys would go out with an M2F or not, as if the Y chromosome was the only factor for us. The resounding answer was "No, I'm gay. Why would I want to go out with a woman?". Had the question been "would you date an F2M?", I reckon the thread would have gone somewhat differently. There would probably have been a few "oh no, gross" replies but also a few "Maybe, depends" replies also.

Of course everybody said no, I'd expect nothing less since what would an M2F be able to offer a gay guy in the long term?

You've stated yourself that you identify as M2F. Whom do you think you'll be seeking as a partner, a homosexual man or a heterosexual man?

Why do you assume I'll be seeking a man at all?

It's a little piece of flesh that makes up a tiny proportion of someone's body. And it's the last thing someone will see when they look at a prospective partner. The OP will be acting on a certain amount of attraction to the rest of the person before he gets that far, and he's stated that he prefers to act on attraction towards women. If he was gay, then finding someone with a penis would be a lot less complicated.

No actually he won't, he has a fantasy about being with a TS. He's looking specifically for a TS (because they have a penis). There is no attraction, there won't be dating or romance or any of that stuff because in the end all he'll want is NSA sex to fulfill that fantasy. He doesn't see us as people, he sees us as sextoys and dehumanises us because then afterwards he can walk away confincing himself "I'm straight really, I was never confused". Whomever it is that fullfils that roll for him will never meet his friends, never meet his family and most likely will never be seen in public with him. So to imply that they will be a "partner" is very wrong in this case.

Rev Hellfire

Kazobel wrote:

No actually he won't, he has a fantasy about being with a TS. He's looking specifically for a TS (because they have a penis). There is no attraction, there won't be dating or romance or any of that stuff because in the end all he'll want is NSA sex to fulfill that fantasy. He doesn't see us as people, he sees us as sextoys and dehumanises us because then afterwards he can walk away confincing himself "I'm straight really, I was never confused". Whomever it is that fullfils that roll for him will never meet his friends, never meet his family and most likely will never be seen in public with him. So to imply that they will be a "partner" is very wrong in this case.

I think you're reading too much into this.
It’s not that different from a straight persons fantasy's of the opposite sex and I would assume a homosexual person when also fantasying, when dealing with visual stimuas.
I'm inclined to believe myself that it is a homoerotic fetish, but I'm not sure that makes him totally gay or in denial about his gender ordination. It’s simply not normal straight or from the comments here normal gay behaviour (for what ever the concept of normal stands for).

Stark

Most straight male teenagers could jack off to the thought of a disembodied pair of breasts.

Kazobel

Rev Hellfire wrote:

I think you're reading too much into this.
It’s not that different from a straight persons fantasy's of the opposite sex and I would assume a homosexual person when also fantasying, when dealing with visual stimuas.
I'm inclined to believe myself that it is a homoerotic fetish, but I'm not sure that makes him totally gay or in denial about his gender ordination. It’s simply not normal straight or from the comments here normal gay behaviour (for what ever the concept of normal stands for).

I'n not reading to much into it, I've plenty of experience as do alot of my friends of being propositioned by people like him and we all know how degrading it can feel to be viewed like that, as something to be used and then tossed aside so he can maintain his delusion of being straight but I can also understand why you's view it differently. I suppose it depends on which side of the fence you're sitting. Incidentally, which might make a difference, you are all viewing this from "A guy shagging a girl" perspective but the fantasy is not just of them have sex with the Trans person, a fair few also expect to be giving oral and for the trans person to enter them too.

Karl Hungus

Louisevb wrote:

That picture is of a good friend of mine...

Is she single?

Stark

Kazobel wrote:

a fair few also expect to be giving oral and for the trans person to enter them too.

Yeah men are dogs that way. I remember the last time I was having sex with somebody and he kept trying to touch my body instead of making love to my mind. I felt so violated.

Kazobel

Stark wrote:

Yeah men are dogs that way. I remember the last time I was having sex with somebody and he kept trying to touch my body instead of making love to my mind. I felt so violated.

I didn't mention it to imply something like that I mentioned it because up until now you's have all been viewing it as male/female sex where he's the giver and the TS is the reciever but if they're both givers and receivers then it becomes male/male no matter what way one of them is dressed.

Hypatia

Karl Hungus wrote:

Is she single?

I am;)

Louisevb

As a TS living full time I would like nothing more than to be treated with respect and dignity like any other human being who happens to be female. There are a number of Ts m2f in Ireland who are living in an environment where no one has a clue who or what they are (stealth so called). Personally I am quite "out there" where I'd be fairly well known. but with respect to everyone on this thread, when I read some of the comments, I would just like to fade into the background completely. There is much more to a relationship than someone who looks female but has a penis.... If you try telling that to 99% of Irish men, who consider themselves straight, 99% will walk away in disbelief.
Thinking outside the "box" i.e. whats in the pants etc. is not the forte of any of those men sadly.

Marksie

Kazobel wrote:

I didn't mention it to imply something like that I mentioned it because up until now you's have all been viewing it as male/female sex where he's the giver and the TS is the reciever but if they're both givers and receivers then it becomes male/male no matter what way one of them is dressed.

But to mention this and another point you made earlier. If i was with a partner i am both a giver and reciever.
To me the sex centre is a major source of pleasure and energy, i would want to give as much pleasure as possible. I would be guided by what they wanted not by what i expected.
But i like recieving and that includes a penetrative sense, if the giver is then female does that still make it a male/male dynamic or purely two people giving each other as much pleasure as possible?

Louisevb wrote:

If you try telling that to 99% of Irish men, who consider themselves straight, 99% will walk away in disbelief.
Thinking outside the "box" i.e. whats in the pants etc. is not the forte of any of those men sadly.

Surely that is true of all societies and what you can hope for is at least passive acceptance that and eventually finding the 1% who will think out side the box would those actually consider themselves as labels of staight, bi etc? In thinking that way they would be dismissive of the labels but see sexuality as a fluid organic thing capable of change and growth.

Hypatia wrote:

For those of you who like to think of transsexual people as sex objects.

its a valid point, but is true of any gender unfortunately.

Kazobel

Marksie wrote:

But to mention this and another point you made earlier. If i was with a partner i am both a giver and reciever.
To me the sex centre is a major source of pleasure and energy, i would want to give as much pleasure as possible. I would be guided by what they wanted not by what i expected.
But i like recieving and that includes a penetrative sense, if the giver is then female does that still make it a male/male dynamic or purely two people giving each other as much pleasure as possible?

But you're talking about sex between two people who see each other as equals. These see us as nothing more than objects, things to satisify a fantasy and be discarded at will. No it doesn't make it a male/male dynamic because your with a real girl who's using a sextoy, that doesn't satisfy them, they want a real penis because then if the person looks like a girl they can use phrases like "I'm not gay really because he looked like a girl" and convince themselves of that. Or even worse in, the case of alot of my friends, get their rocks off and then beat the living crap out of them because "I'm not gay, you made me do it"

Surely that is true of all societies and what you can hope for is at least passive acceptance that and eventually finding the 1% who will think out side the box would those actually consider themselves as labels of staight, bi etc? In thinking that way they would be dismissive of the labels but see sexuality as a fluid organic thing capable of change and growth.

But why should we settle for "passive acceptance", no other group has to. Are you suggesting we should just put up with being dehumanised until society changes? just shag every "straight" guy who offers to further our acceptance?

its a valid point, but is true of any gender unfortunately.

No actually, at least men and women are given status as people, as individuals, as humans we aren't by these people.

Rev Hellfire

Kazobel wrote:

No actually, at least men and women are given status as people, as individuals, as humans we aren't by these people.

The idea that this is form of exploitation is the sole preserve of the Trans community is beyond laughable.
Where it applies to you it is targeted at minority audience.
Women on the whole have to deal with it daily from the mainstream media; you need look no further than covers of computer and car magazines, tabloid newspapers and the top shelf in the newsagents.