would u have called

gigetheman

i played a 1/2 game last night with a min buy in of 300 with some friends last night,i started of brillant and was up to 1000 within 2 hours i then went card dead for 2 hours. There was alive straddle of 8 with 6 callers i have 77 the flop is 924 os player a (a rock ) bets 38 so i call and dose 1 other the turn is a 7 player a the rock goes all in,for about 700 i think for about 5 seconds and call i have him covered and yes he had a set of 9 would u have called???

ianmc38

Yes.

5starpool

When you get to this spot, you would need a very good reason not to call.

I would have folded the flop bet to a rock though.

busted flush

the rock has JJ?

5starpool

busted flush wrote:

the rock has JJ?

No, he has 99, as stated above.

CaptainNemo

Calling on the flop was a gigantic mistake since against a rock you are probably drawing to 2 outs.

Having hit one of your 2 outs you have to call since there's only 1 hand that beats you.

BigCityBanker

CaptainNemo wrote:

Calling on the flop was a gigantic mistake since against a rock you are probably drawing to 2 outs.

Having hit one of your 2 outs you have to call since there's only 1 hand that beats you.

The only reason i fold in this spot is if he turns his cards face up and i realise that i am drawing to 1 out..

What a shove on the turn by him? talk about extracting value? you are holding one of the only hands that can call him and he just got lucky that you had it.

Theresalwaysone

Always calling.

Id see an overpair a lot here from a player who most likely got spooked by the flop callers.

This time tho, you got unlucky.

I'm never ever folding tho.

Lazare

gigetheman wrote:

i played a 1/2 game last night with a min buy in of 300 with some friends last night,i started of brillant and was up to 1000 within 2 hours i then went card dead for 2 hours. There was alive straddle of 8 with 6 callers i have 77 the flop is 924 os player a (a rock ) bets 38 so i call and dose 1 other the turn is a 7 player a the rock goes all in,for about 700 i think for about 5 seconds and call i have him covered and yes he had a set of 9 would u have called???

Folding there is gay.

I can't believe you even asked.

HalfBaked

gigetheman wrote:

i played a 1/2 game last night with a min buy in of 300 with some friends last night,i started of brillant and was up to 1000 within 2 hours i then went card dead for 2 hours. There was alive straddle of 8 with 6 callers i have 77 the flop is 924 os player a (a rock ) bets 38 so i call and dose 1 other the turn is a 7 player a the rock goes all in,for about 700 i think for about 5 seconds and call i have him covered and yes he had a set of 9 would u have called???

I'm also never folding in this spot.

What did you think the rock had on the flop? Why did you call the flop bet? Were you hoping to hit a 2 outter?

Not trying to be harsh but I think these are the question you should be asking and not whether you should fold the second nuts.

Macspower

BigCityBanker wrote:

The only reason i fold in this spot is if he turns his cards face up and i realise that i am drawing to 1 out..

and even then I say well i have a set "we don't fold sets" .... "ahh sure I have an out" and ship it anyway!

kryogen

u all have the i dont fold sets attitude as per usual,i think i cudnt b bothered readin any more after i read the folding there is gay i cant believe u asked comment, (very constructive by the way)

i was at this game, and i know the OP and the Villain well. the villain who is a boardsie does not commit his whole stack without the nuts there, it is that simple....i passed the comment at the time that altho its a tuff fold that he is the only player i will fold it to at that table, and after considering it again this morning i still feel the same, this player does not make this bet with 2 pair, he does not make this bet with an overpair...he has made such a horrible over bet because he believes OP has a draw and doesnt want him to draw out on him and believed it was the best way to stop him calling...

if u had played with him before, or in fact if u had played with him last night wen he flopped quads 3 times and understood the way he was running u wud b able to find a fold, believe me....

he is abc player,he rarely bluffs, very rarely, and wen he puts all his chips in the middle post flop he has got the best hand at that point in time.

folding sets on a regular basis is not exactly a good play., but every situation is different and in this situation i fold, i fold the flop and i fold the turn.

gosplan

Yeah, fold the flop, call now.

Very effective bet from him on the flop though. I imagine that you weren't thinking set 9's once you hit.

BigCityBanker

kryogen wrote:

if u had played with him last night wen he flopped quads 3 times and understood the way he was running u wud b able to find a fold, believe me....

are you serious here or is this some sort of elaborate wind up?

Lazare

kryogen wrote:

u all have the i dont fold sets attitude as per usual,i think i cudnt b bothered readin any more after i read the folding there is gay i cant believe u asked comment, (very constructive by the way)

i was at this game, and i know the OP and the Villain well. the villain who is a boardsie does not commit his whole stack without the nuts there, it is that simple....i passed the comment at the time that altho its a tuff fold that he is the only player i will fold it to at that table, and after considering it again this morning i still feel the same, this player does not make this bet with 2 pair, he does not make this bet with an overpair...he has made such a horrible over bet because he believes OP has a draw and doesnt want him to draw out on him and believed it was the best way to stop him calling...

if u had played with him before, or in fact if u had played with him last night wen he flopped quads 3 times and understood the way he was running u wud b able to find a fold, believe me....

he is abc player,he rarely bluffs, very rarely, and wen he puts all his chips in the middle post flop he has got the best hand at that point in time.

folding sets on a regular basis is not exactly a good play., but every situation is different and in this situation i fold, i fold the flop and i fold the turn.

I couldn't be more constructive than the first reply the OP got.

You could argue he should've folded the flop, I wouldn't considering how deep we are, and the fact we probably have the best hand, but to say we should fold the turn after hitting one of our two outs to give us second nuts is absolutely laughable. You say villain will never play AA/KK/QQ/44/22 this way?
That my friend is also laughable.

Folding the turn is gay.

sikes

this thread is so out of this world retarded.

Its such a piss easy decision either way. If he only ever does this with the nuts you fold, otherwise call. wow how about that.

kryogen

Lazare wrote:

I couldn't be more constructive than the first reply the OP got.

You could argue he should've folded the flop, I wouldn't considering how deep we are, and the fact we probably have the best hand, but to say we should fold the turn after hitting one of our two outs to give us second nuts is absolutely laughable. You say villain will never play AA/KK/QQ/44/22 this way?
That my friend is also laughable.

Folding the turn is gay.

assuming u have the best hand on the flop when an uber rock leads at the pot and u have an under pair is whats laughable.....my friend


and yes i say villain will never play AA KK QQ 22, and its very doubtful he will put all his money in here with 44 either, it may b hard to believe but its true......this player,i have witnessed this, has folded AQ on an AQ5 flop..... he is extremely cautious about his stack.


and if u cant b constructive why add anything to the thread in the first place?

kryogen

sikes wrote:

this thread is so out of this world retarded.

Its such a piss easy decision either way. If he only ever does this with the nuts you fold, otherwise call. wow how about that.

it is that easy and its that simple!! i agree!

kryogen

BigCityBanker wrote:

are you serious here or is this some sort of elaborate wind up?

no i am serious,about everything i sed in the post...if u are referring specifically to the quads, yes he floppd quad 2's,T's and 4's i think was the other one

BigCityBanker

kryogen wrote:

no i am serious,about everything i sed in the post...if u are referring specifically to the quads, yes he floppd quad 2's,T's and 4's i think was the other one

I suggest you go and have a chat with yourself and reflect on what you said above.

kryogen

BigCityBanker wrote:

I suggest you go and have a chat with yourself and reflect on what you said above.

i suggest u learn to b a little less condescending.

or maybe....just maybe,try input something of value into the thread

Lazare

kryogen wrote:

i suggest u learn to b a little less condescending.

or maybe....just maybe,try input something of value into the thread

Tbh, your posts have absolutely no value to anyone reading this. In fact your 'advice' is terrible. Advocating basing decisions on how hot your opponent is running! Do you not see how ridiculous this is.

As for me not adding anything constructive? On the contrary, my post, along with everyone elses (bar yours), confirms to the OP that he should never consider folding here.


edit. Oh, and it's nothing to do with 'never fold a set', it's to do with the hero having second nuts and only behind to a small part of villains range. Please don't reiterate that he will only play 99 this way.

phantom_lord

you could fold 22 here if he's a huge nit, maybe 44, but never 77.

i'd fold the flop tho.

kryogen

Lazare wrote:

Tbh, your posts have absolutely no value to anyone reading this. In fact your 'advice' is terrible. Advocating basing decisions on how hot your opponent is running! Do you not see how ridiculous this is.

As for me not adding anything constructive? On the contrary, my post, along with everyone elses (bar yours), confirms to the OP that he should never consider folding here.


edit. Oh, and it's nothing to do with 'never fold a set', it's to do with the hero having second nuts and only behind to a small part of villains range. Pleas don't reiterate that he will only play 99 this way.

im done arguing this point with u, u seem unable to comprehend folding a the second nuts and good luck to u...also,i agree my point did not come across well earlier wen i spoke of the way the guy was running! i dont mean to play a player based on how he is running!

but in seriousness....i go broke with a set 9/10, but in this instance i dont, thats all...its one of those exceptions to the rule. can i ask u a question?

if there is 135 in a pot and a really tight player who has only ever shown down the nuts wen all in and called bets all in to u for 720, do u have to call him with the second nuts wen ur gut,and ur head are both telling u u are beat??

calling such an overbet cant fall into the catagory of a crying call can it??

Lazare

kryogen wrote:

if there is 135 in a pot and a really tight player who has only ever shown down the nuts wen all in and called bets all in to u for 720, do u have to call him with the second nuts wen ur gut,and ur head are both telling u u are beat??

Everytime on that board. Maybe I'm a station though. :rolleyes:

I love the way people on this board think huge folds are so heroic, sometimes they are, but in this case and the majority of times they're just weak tight scared money folds.

kryogen

Lazare wrote:

Everytime on that board. Maybe I'm a station though. :rolleyes:

I love the way people on this board think huge folds are so heroic, sometimes they are, but in this case and the majority of times they're just weak tight scared money folds.

i am not a "boardsie" believe me, i find most of experts on this site to seem to have a higher opinion of themselves then they shud.but thats just my opinion of course.

i agree with most of what u just posted,i just disagree with one thing,u sed in this case its a bad fold! in this specific case u can fold!! really, i know how hard it is to believe if u were not there,but this was one of the few situations u can fold! he had nuts on his forehead!!!!

folding set = -Ev in the long run
but there are always exceptions and this was one case.

PokerPissTaker

Your the Friend THE ROCK bets a 9 high flop and you call with 77 Hmmm That'll be where you went wrong

5starpool

OK, kryogen, based on what was in the original post, how could we ever fold? There is nothing there to say that everyone in the game knew that he would only push with the absolute stone cold nuts. It says he is a rock, not a weak tight nit who would be afraid with 44 on that flop.

Even the comments by you since I find hard to believe about anyone who plays poker. If it is true (and I am not disbelieving you) then this guy who had 99 should not be playing poker in the first place as 99/100 he will get run over in any game and only win when the deck smacks him in the face. This does not describe a rock, it describes someone who cannot play poker.

If this guy is as bad and tight as this then maybe I might consider for a second folding, but this begs the question of the OP that has been asked many times. Why call the flop bet suspecting he may need to hit perfect runner runner?

bops

I was at the table and know all the players fairly well etc...

tbh i reckon that it's not really a hand that ye can discuss without knowing the players games well and to be there as kryogen was

the player with 77 called the flop bet because he put the rock on AA/KK and was getting the implied odds to make the call

when the 7 came on the turn and the rock moved all in - he didn't give himself the time to reaccess the range of the rocks holding - he just hit his magic card and called

kryogen is correct in what he has said and i am sure he would often find a fold here

me, i'd have to say i'd call - but only giving myself even money that i am ahead!!

the bottom line is that's its just a really fuking cold deck - move on and steal his blinds for the next 5 hours (with min raises!)

his all in move is what i find bizarre - he was unsure of his opponents holding and was scared of what he was drawing at - i suppose betting 800 into a 130 quid pot is one way to scare away draws on a 2 4 9 7r board!!!!

in fairness to the rock, he's a nice fella and his strategy works fine for him - i like playing with him coz hes fun to take the piss outta and you generally know where you stand with him (if he puts money in the pot ie completes from the sb - you are behind!!)

kryogen

Thank u bops!!! u are able to say what i mean alot more elegantly lol!!

i cant really communicate with alot of the boardsies!! but at least i know u will agree that this player is a "special case" and i dont mean any offence to him, he is playing the way he wants to play, he pays his money he can do what he wants!! and he is making money at it!!

BigCityBanker

kryogen wrote:

i suggest u learn to b a little less condescending.

or maybe....just maybe,try input something of value into the thread

again, are you for real? You have advocated folding in part because a player is running hot? As for input of value??? If nothing else ppl might learn not to listen to this sort of sh1t - every hand should, to all intents and purposes, be played in isolation, if you fold now because somebody floped monsters earlier in the game then you have NO place at a poker table and I do mean NO place at a poker table because in short you can not play poker because you lack some of the very fundamentals of the game and you are to all intents and purposes a lamb!

If you try and counter this in any way other than to say that you are incorrect then i suggest you burn the money that you may in future bring to the poker table! I say this cos I know 100% that you are incorrect in your thinking.

It is hard not to be condescending when somebody peddles this sort of sh1t, and this sir is sh1t of the very finest country pig farmer manure variety.

BobSloane

bops wrote:

you generally know where you stand with him (if he puts money in the pot ie completes from the sb - you are behind!!)

lol

kryogen

BigCityBanker wrote:

again, are you for real? You have advocated folding in part because a player is running hot? As for input of value??? If nothing else ppl might learn not to listen to this sort of sh1t - every hand should, to all intents and purposes, be played in isolation, if you fold now because somebody floped monsters earlier in the game then you have NO place at a poker table and I do mean NO place at a poker table because in short you can not play poker because you lack some of the very fundamentals of the game and you are to all intents and purposes a lamb!

If you try and counter this in any way other than to say that you are incorrect then i suggest you burn the money that you may in future bring to the poker table! I say this cos I know 100% that you are incorrect in your thinking.

It is hard not to be condescending when somebody peddles this sort of sh1t, and this sir is sh1t of the very finest country pig farmer manure variety.

maybe u shud read back over the thread and see where i have already admitted that what i was trying to say didnt come across properly. or dive in two footed,its more fun i suppose....

BigCityBanker

kryogen wrote:

maybe u shud read back over the thread and see where i have already admitted that what i was trying to say didnt come across properly. or dive in two footed,its more fun i suppose....

well i can only respond to what you say to me.

maybe you should think before you type also? hows that for a thought?

EDIT - two footed suits me just fine btw

5starpool

Calm down all.

bops

noel had a bad day on the horsies??

bops

kryogen wrote:

Thank u bops!!! u are able to say what i mean alot more elegantly lol!!

i cant really communicate with alot of the boardsies!! but at least i know u will agree that this player is a "special case" and i dont mean any offence to him, he is playing the way he wants to play, he pays his money he can do what he wants!! and he is making money at it!!

very well put!

look what i'm trying to say is that noone is going to say that folding is the best option here, but you and me know that it is!! i'd still call though coz i'm no good!

BigCityBanker

5starpool wrote:

Calm down all.

phantom_lord

bops wrote:

noel had a bad day on the horsies??

lol!

kryogen

BigCityBanker wrote:

well i can only respond to what you say to me.

maybe you should think before you type also? hows that for a thought?

EDIT - two footed suits me just fine btw

so ur unable to read something unless its specifically directed at you? ok ill keep that in mind in future,my apologies. and thank you for your advice! i will certainly keep that in mind in the future.:rolleyes:

(oh did u edit ur last post??maybe u didnt think it all the way thru eh???

BigCityBanker

bops wrote:

noel had a bad day on the horsies??

on the contrary i feel like i got out of jail - Betfair crashed a c.8.58pm..... a full 2 mins before my horse was due to run rendering me more or less stranded. Anyway with the ground drying to officially good i restricted myself to 400ew in cash @ 7/2. The horse hung like a gate, not going a tap in the ground and still finished 3rd. A big payday awaits.

kryogen

bops wrote:

very well put!

look what i'm trying to say is that noone is going to say that folding is the best option here, but you and me know that it is!! i'd still call though coz i'm no good!

yes and i agree with what u were sayin earlier, its really hard to talk about this hand unless you were there really!! or unless u have a bit of experience playing with the villain!! like u sed u know ur behind wen he completes from the small blind LOL!!!:p

BigCityBanker

kryogen wrote:

(oh did u edit ur last post??maybe u didnt think it all the way thru eh???

touche - my last post was of a picture - i see no signs of editing

kryogen

wp,nh,gg etc.!!!

mdwexford

cmon dont pussy out guys, there was a good argument brewing there

i had my homer eating popcorn picture ready to go

kryogen

thought u were gone to a wedding??? strike out already??:p

BigCityBanker

kryogen wrote:

thought u were gone to a wedding??? strike out already??:p

he is on d'internet in the lobby of the hotel - maybe he is the pussy.

mdwexford

it sucked

back on topic please

kryogen

The topic is pretty redundant at this stage! george hasnt even been on to read any of the insightful replies that have been posted!!

and also as bops sed,its really a situationa; hand, u just have to be there, very hard to discuss with no knowledge of the players...

gigetheman

i have gone through all your posts and have taken into account what ye all said bops u where right when u said that i jumped in after hitting my 2 outer and yes we will be back next week in ross for revenage. But do u always fold the second nuts just because he is a rock if that was the case u would never bust those type of players (ID STILL MAKE THE CALL 24 HOURS LATER)

bops

unfortunately i would call too george - just vul buddy - cya next week