Airport security

Tusky

Flying to London tomorrow and just wanted to make sure I'm clear.

No liquids more than 100ml(or is it 200ml?). This includes hair gel, creams, make up, drinks & toiletries (or does it?). Are they strict on this ?

All of the above if less than 100ml have to be placed in a bag (can I bring a bag myself or do I have to use their one?). I fly alot but for some reason I cant remember...when you are walking through the metal detector do you have to remove everything from your pockets (notes, paper, plastic) or is it just metal & electronic things ?

If I have toiletries that are more than 100/200ml and I put them in a smaller container so taht they are less than 100/200ml is that ok?

Fekkin terrorists make things so complex.

Fratton Fred

http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-security/EU_Liquids_Regulations.html

anything in a container over 100ml will be taken off you. all liquids, gels, pastes, etc must be in a clear bag, no more then 20cm x 20cm. London airports are very strict.

Tusky

Fratton Fred wrote:

http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/airport-security/EU_Liquids_Regulations.html

anything in a container over 100ml will be taken off you. all liquids, gels, pastes, etc must be in a clear bag, no more then 20cm x 20cm. London airports are very strict.

Do they search through the bag & does lip balm count ?

cance

what i find more disturbing here, is that you cant go a simple flight without lip balm

jor el

Lip balm is included, I've eh, heard. You also can't bring any drinks, or opened bottles, through the security check. You can however bring anything you buy at the other side on to the plane. You can put whatever you want into checked baggage though.

As far as I know, liquids will show up on the scanner, so if you have any hidden in your carry-on bag then they will stop you. You may have it simply taken away, or they might hold you for questioning, especially in London.

Tusky

cance wrote:

what i find more disturbing here, is that you cant go a simple flight without lip balm

Yup, madness! It might not count though, I just want to make sure my luggage doesnt get searched because I accidently left lip blam in it.

Deacon Blues

Important thing to remember as said above is that this only applies to carry on hand luggage. Your checked baggage does is not subject to these rules. So if you do have a suitcase, put all your toiletries and such in there, and just keep stuff you need for the flight or upon landing in your hand luggage.

What i do is keep a few of the ziplocked 20cm x 20cm bags in the laptop bag, as spares, and then have one which lives in the laptop bag permanently, with a 100ml tube of toothpaste, a packet of paracetamol tablets and a couple of 100ml bottles of shower gel and shampoo. This bag can be taken out with the laptop for x-ray screening, and it's a very painless process.

If I'm going for longer than an overnight, or with someone, then the extra stuff goes into the suitcase, but I've still got the hand luggage stuff 'just in case'.

Caliden

I left for London last Saturday from Knock and the girl I was with had lip balm and an aerosol in her bag leaving knock and brought on the plane without realising.

On the way back leaving London there were so many more checkpoints and she had to put her lip balm and other things in a plastic bag. She had to dump her lighter and there was a huge container with 1000's of them in it (strangely all I could think about was how big the explosion would be).

Even leaving knock I could leave my runners on but leaving the London airport I had to take them off and they frisked every fifth person.
Also you can buy the plastic bags in the airport, I think it was 4 for 1 pound.

zuutroy

Oh, and just a final one...You're not allowed bring any bombs or machine guns either.

Tusky

zuutroy wrote:

Oh, and just a final one...You're not allowed bring any bombs or machine guns either.

damn. What about kiddy porn mags ?

cmoney

Tusky wrote:

damn. What about kiddy porn mags ?

going a bit far with that me thinks

MAYPOP

Tusky wrote:

Fekkin terrorists make things so complex.

yeah, them and their make-up addiction :rolleyes:

Sam Vimes

zuutroy wrote:

Oh, and just a final one...You're not allowed bring any bombs or machine guns either.

god damn it. how am i going to get those 70 virgins now?

bin laden's latest plan is to wait until the plane gets to 30,000 feet and then......make a call on his mobile (dramatic music)

Sofaspud

Tusky wrote:

Fekkin terrorists make things so complex.

Yeah, 'cos there's been so many planes blown up recently by Terrorists. Why, just last week I heard about one using a bottle of water and a packet of crisps to make a bomb.

(I seriously don't understand this recent terrorism paranoia, what exactly caused the new restrictions in the past couple of years?*)

(I mean post 9/11, the restrictions came a long time after that)

Moofy

Caliden wrote:

I left for London last Saturday from Knock and the girl I was with had lip balm and an aerosol in her bag leaving knock and brought on the plane without realising.

On the way back leaving London there were so many more checkpoints and she had to put her lip balm and other things in a plastic bag. She had to dump her lighter and there was a huge container with 1000's of them in it (strangely all I could think about was how big the explosion would be).

Even leaving knock I could leave my runners on but leaving the London airport I had to take them off and they frisked every fifth person.
Also you can buy the plastic bags in the airport, I think it was 4 for 1 pound.

Everytime I have been through Gatwick Airport, there were people giving out the clear plastic bags as you were in the queue for security. I was there about 3 weeks ago and they were still giving them out.
Just to be on the safe side lip balm and other cosmetics should be put in the bag. Its no big deal really especially when you are given the bags.

Steve_o

Commander Vimes wrote:

god damn it. how am i going to get those 70 virgins now?

bin laden's latest plan is to wait until the plane gets to 30,000 feet and then......make a call on his mobile (dramatic music)

Basically put everything possible into your check in luggage....everything else has to go into a clear bag as was said above!

Sam Vimes

Sofaspud wrote:

Yeah, 'cos there's been so many planes blown up recently by Terrorists. Why, just last week I heard about one using a bottle of water and a packet of crisps to make a bomb.

yeah these terrorists would put mcguyver to shame

MAYPOP

Commander Vimes wrote:

yeah these terrorists would put mcguyver to shame

tis only a matter of time before they make a fighter jet out of household implements and blow us all up from the skies

5starpool

I dream of the day when you can be treated like an adult in an airport and on a plane, and not subject to millions of regulations. To veer slightly off topic, the most baffling and ridiculous one has to be the one where all window blinds have to be open for takeoff and landing. What is that about? If someone can enlighten me as to the official reason I would be grateful.

Tusky

Sofaspud wrote:

Yeah, 'cos there's been so many planes blown up recently by Terrorists. Why, just last week I heard about one using a bottle of water and a packet of crisps to make a bomb.

(I seriously don't understand this recent terrorism paranoia, what exactly caused the new restrictions in the past couple of years?*)

(I mean post 9/11, the restrictions came a long time after that)

Because they foiled an attempt to blow up a plane (least year) I think. They had brought liquids onto the plane to make a liquid explosive. It was after that that the restrcitions were brought in.

Drift

5starpool wrote:

I dream of the day when you can be treated like an adult in an airport and on a plane, and not subject to millions of regulations. To veer slightly off topic, the most baffling and ridiculous one has to be the one where all window blinds have to be open for takeoff and landing. What is that about? If someone can enlighten me as to the official reason I would be grateful.

I think I heard before somewhere that its a safety precaution in case the plane crashes ... that way rescue crews can have an idea whats going on inside the plane and similarly people escaping can see if there's fire outside. I'm not certain thats true though because I can't remember who told me, they may have been blowing sh1te.

5starpool

Drift wrote:

I think I heard before somewhere that its a safety precaution in case the plane crashes ... that way rescue crews can have an idea whats going on inside the plane and similarly people escaping can see if there's fire outside. I'm not certain thats true though because I can't remember who told me, they may have been blowing sh1te.

Cheers, makes some sort of sense I suppose.

griffdaddy

bring an alarm clock with a load of frozen sausages taped to it in your bag as well!

TT&TO

I was in Dublin airport last week in the queue for security and everyone was dumping their water and soft drink bottles everywhere before they went in. It looked a mess. This lady had just bought loads of **** (make-up over 100ml prob.) in Brown Thomas and she completely forgot about the whole liquids thing - she had to rejoin her check-in queue. She was....upset to say the least.

I was completely confused about the shoe removal - some people took belts and shoes off and others left shoes on and belts off. I just had sandals on so I took them off no probs.

jor el

Tusky wrote:

Because they foiled an attempt to blow up a plane (least year) I think. They had brought liquids onto the plane to make a liquid explosive. It was after that that the restrcitions were brought in.

I think it was a case that the UK Police uncovered a plot to smuggle liquid explosives on board planes, though I don't think anyone was actually arrested in connection and no actual evidence (other than someone suggesting it could be possible) was ever found.

The goal was to create a media storm and stir up panic in people so they'd once again support the war in Iraq. Worked for a while there. Also of course it was a great excuse for the thevin' bastids in customs to confiscate your duty free so they could bring it home themselves :mad:

TT&TO

jor el wrote:

Worked for a while there. Also of course it was a great excuse for the thevin' bastids in customs to confiscate your duty free so they could bring it home themselves :mad:

wot happens to all those cigarette lighters? do they just get dumped into landfill? what a waste.

dade

jor el wrote:

Also of course it was a great excuse for the thevin' bastids in customs to confiscate your duty free so they could bring it home themselves :mad:

Eh you're duty free is purchased after the security checks so its ok to take on board. mow of course you may encounter difficulty say traveling via the UK to some place else whee you buy it in Dublin and get it taken off you in the UK. So there's a lesson for ya all.

Wasn't the liquid thing in response to someone Allegedly being found with a liquid explosive in a bottle or something?

I know the shoe thing was about yer man that had a bomb in the sole of his shoe and tried to light it but the matches wouldn't light.

McSandwich

TT&TO wrote:

wot happens to all those cigarette lighters? do they just get dumped into landfill? what a waste.

I've flown about 4 times in the last 6 months to various European destinations and London. Each time I had a lighter in my hand luggage and on no occasion did the security searchers (here or abroad) say anything..

I think that most of these security measures go too far. The disruption caused shows that the terrorists have already won.

Ruu_Old

5starpool wrote:

I dream of the day when you can be treated like an adult in an airport and on a plane, and not subject to millions of regulations. To veer slightly off topic, the most baffling and ridiculous one has to be the one where all window blinds have to be open for takeoff and landing. What is that about? If someone can enlighten me as to the official reason I would be grateful.

I hope you took off your shoes and walked through the metal detector before posting that.

Sofaspud

Tusky wrote:

Because they foiled an attempt to blow up a plane (least year) I think. They had brought liquids onto the plane to make a liquid explosive. It was after that that the restrcitions were brought in.

Must you debunk my rants?

zuutroy

McSandwich wrote:

I've flown about 4 times in the last 6 months to various European destinations and London. Each time I had a lighter in my hand luggage and on no occasion did the security searchers (here or abroad) say anything..

As I've said before, diabetics can get their sharps and what is effectively poison on without ever being asked for their letter from the hospital, and in most cases, without the stuff even being noticed.

Victor

Better explanation of the rules here: http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/8424-0.pdf

griffdaddy wrote:

bring an alarm clock with a load of frozen sausages taped to it in your bag as well!

Add a digital watch, wire and marzipan (denser) instead of sausages.

TT&TO wrote:

I was in Dublin airport last week in the queue for security and everyone was dumping their water and soft drink bottles everywhere before they went in.

Shocking isn't it? Paddies knocking back soft drinks like there is no tomorrow.

zuutroy wrote:

As I've said before, diabetics can get their sharps and what is effectively poison on without ever being asked for their letter from the hospital, and in most cases, without the stuff even being noticed.

A lot of people with diabetes use pens with needles less than 10mm long - not a threat.

jor el wrote:

Also of course it was a great excuse for the thevin' bastids in customs to confiscate your duty free so they could bring it home themselves :mad:

Customs operate on inbound flights, not outbound. :rolleyes:

electric69

Ask ANY pilot which he/she would prefer to be attacked by.Toothpaste or a ballpoint pen? I dont need to say anymore really.

Red Alert

I think it's time people just began to say no to these ridiculous rules. It seems you're not even allowed express displeasure with them - even when outside the airport - for fear of the thought police!

Pythia

Caliden wrote:

Also you can buy the plastic bags in the airport, I think it was 4 for 1 pound.

What, you have to buy these things now?
I've always been given them for free before.

Pighead

Pythia wrote:

What, you have to buy these things now?
I've always been given them for free before.

Which when put through babelfish translates as:
"I'm gorgeous, i don't pay for stuff, he he"

Only messing babes, have a smashing weekend.

faceman

i got a scissors through dublin airport about 6 months ago in hand luggage.

Oryx

Last time I travelled thru Leeds Bradford airport (terrible airport btw) lipstick, lighters, liquids and chewing gum were banned from handluggage completely! Although when you got to the one and only departure lounge you could buy as much gum, water and cosmetics as you liked..... Conspiracy, anyone?:rolleyes:

Because they foiled an attempt to blow up a plane (least year) I think. They had brought liquids onto the plane to make a liquid explosive. It was after that that the restrcitions were brought in.

What I heard was that the liquids had some vague possibility of being made into an explosive but it would have taken a few hours, on a flight that was much much shorter

After reading this thread, I don't think I'll ever fly anywhere again
what a load of rubbish

Dooom

Isn't there some sort of chemical scanner thing invented yet that they could use? Or, a sniffer dog.
It's not as if bombs made from liquids are exactly a new thing like.

Black Swan

Red Alert wrote:

I think it's time people just began to say no to these ridiculous rules. It seems you're not even allowed express displeasure with them - even when outside the airport - for fear of the thought police!

And don't joke with AP security! One bloke ahead of me in line for a flight did, and they pulled him away and strip searched him.

monument

Caliden wrote:

I left for London last Saturday from Knock and the girl I was with had lip balm and an aerosol in her bag leaving knock and brought on the plane without realising.

On the way back leaving London there were so many more checkpoints and she had to put her lip balm and other things in a plastic bag. She had to dump her lighter and there was a huge container with 1000's of them in it (strangely all I could think about was how big the explosion would be).

Even leaving knock I could leave my runners on but leaving the London airport I had to take them off and they frisked every fifth person.
Also you can buy the plastic bags in the airport, I think it was 4 for 1 pound.

HEADLINE: Terrorists Knock for London

(sorry )

Brian Capture

A lot of the security checks are excessive,

How many terrorists have they foiled in the last 12 months due to these stringent practices?

None.

And how many people have been inconvenienced / missed flights?

Loads.

faceman

Brian Capture wrote:

A lot of the security checks are excessive,

How many terrorists have they foiled in the last 12 months due to these stringent practices?

None.

how do you know?

Tusky

Tusky wrote:

Because they foiled an attempt to blow up a plane (least year) I think. They had brought liquids onto the plane to make a liquid explosive. It was after that that the restrcitions were brought in.

I thought this liquid explosives plot was prooven to be unfeasible to carry out. yet still the restrictions..

Mimikyu

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Victor

ronoc wrote:

I thought this liquid explosives plot was prooven to be unfeasible to carry out. yet still the restrictions..

That particular plan was unworkable, however there are other possibilities and they are mitigating those possibilities.

Mr. CooL ICE

faceman wrote:

how do you know?

Cos there was nothing in the news about it. Do you honestly think that the media would have a missed a chance to blow something totally out of proportion?

Dooom

LordChessington wrote:

Cos there was nothing in the news about it. Do you honestly think that the media would have a missed a chance to blow something totally out of proportion?

More to the point, they might want to let it slip to the media so as to stop people like us going "These checks are bollox" and make us start saying "Oh, it's a good thing those checks are there".

Brian Capture

Dooom wrote:

More to the point, they might want to let it slip to the media so as to stop people like us going "These checks are bollox" and make us start saying "Oh, it's a good thing those checks are there".

exactly.

CantGetNoSleep

does anyone get suspicious of the amount of terrorist plots which are supposedly foiled in the uk?

there seems to be one every week or two, despite there only being one serious attack in London in the last couple of years

are these police just brilliant at their jobs? why dont they stop all other crimes before they happen