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  • 19-06-2007 9:11pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭


    Has anyone noticed how poor people's indicating has become??...Or is it just me.
    I have been watching out for instances of where people fail to indicate to overtake a person walking, cyclist, parked car or any general obstruction. I mean, on roundabouts is bad enough, but very few people signal their intentions when driving on a striaght stretch.

    The other morning coming home from work i was behind a van, at a safe distance, and i seen him touch the brakes, a car passed on the opposite side of the road and then he/she swerved to overtake a cyclist, almost hitting them with the wing mirror. Very poor driving and especailly dangerous when you cant see by a truck or van, at least with a car you can kinda get a view up ahead and anticipate.

    Perhaps have a look over the next few days and report your findings.

    Rant over :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭rymus


    I've gotten the same guy a few times in front of me going home from work in the evening that drives quite erratically and never indicates. About a 20 minute drive along windy country roads, several dangerous junctions etc.. Recently discovered that he never indicates due to the fact that he carries on a phone conversation every evening while driving home.

    Used to be very annoying, now it's just sad. Buy a cheap car kit ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    It's always been like this! on a side note, if you keep a safe distance behind the traffic in front of you, you'll have plenty time to react to other peoples near misses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    colm_mcm wrote:
    It's always been like this! on a side note, if you keep a safe distance behind the traffic in front of you, you'll have plenty time to react to other peoples near misses.

    I was, as i stated, at a safe distance and i signalled and gave the cyclist plenty of room!!
    But had it been someone else, driving a lil closer, who knows what could have happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I was told by my driving instructor that if you are over taking a parked car, or a pedistrian (anyting that it is stinking obvious that you will overtake) you don't need to indicate, unless you moving out to the right will force the car on coming to stop back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Not many roads in Ireland are wide enough to give a parked car, walker or cyclist enough room, not to cross over the centre line of the road. :rolleyes:
    On roads with enough room, it may be consider more acceptable...but still, a bit of courtesy wouldnt go astray


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,788 ✭✭✭Vikings


    What gets me is the people who brake, brake, brake and then at the last second put their indicator on almost as they are taking their turn... this really gets to me.

    Indicate before you brake! Please... think of the children!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Cormic


    This really gets on my nerves. To be honest, in my opinion, the worst offenders are the big car drivers. These are typically middle aged men who think they own the road.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Cormic wrote:
    This really gets on my nerves. To be honest, in my opinion, the worst offenders are the big car drivers. These are typically middle aged men who think they own the road.

    The Merc, BMW owners etc etc, i suppose you mean??? LOL :D

    IMO...everyone is guilty - seen all car owners, ages, genders, races etc etc doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    Cormic wrote:
    These are typically middle aged men who think they own the road.
    They probably do!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,272 ✭✭✭✭Atomic Pineapple


    Cormic wrote:
    This really gets on my nerves. To be honest, in my opinion, the worst offenders are the big car drivers. These are typically middle aged men who think they own the road.

    i'd say vans, big jeeps and the like are actually the worst offenders, but its always been there, never noticed an increase lately to be honest, being aware is the only way to deal with it


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Ah thats it - bash the German Barge merchants - again!

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭311


    Some people indicate late on purpose I think ,just to let you know that they are in front of you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,122 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    What gets me is the people who brake, brake, brake and then at the last second put their indicator on almost as they are taking their turn...

    One of my pet hates :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Cormic


    I never said German cars, but now that you mention it... :)

    However I mentioned in AH earlier that I was driving from Limerick to Dublin this evening in awful rain. One in ten cars did not have lights on. White van drivers were the worst offenders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭The tax man


    I think I may be a bit anal when it comes to indicating. I suppose driving a van during the day adds to it as the driver behind doesn't have a view past me like you would if behind a car.(through windows to a point) Cars half parked on a footpath, a cyclist etc will always make me give a few right hand flashes. You'd be amazed at the amount of drivers that tail gate a van with feck all vision ahead of them.
    Really gets my blood boiling when I'm getting a lift from one of the folks,they never indicate when they should,old habits I suppose.
    But it's one driving habit(using them) I'm proud to have lodged in my brain.
    and then at the last second put their indicator on almost as they are taking their turn

    Ah yes I'll put on my "here's what I'm doing right NOW" flashing light thingy.:rolleyes:

    When will they learn what the word indicator actually means.:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Kalashnikov_Kid


    Tauren wrote:
    I was told by my driving instructor that if you are over taking a parked car, or a pedistrian (anyting that it is stinking obvious that you will overtake) you don't need to indicate, unless you moving out to the right will force the car on coming to stop back.

    Not sure about that. Think you have to indicate right whenever an obstruction forces you to intrude onto the opposite carraigeway, regardless of any oncoming traffic.

    Then again, I failed my test last christmas :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,377 ✭✭✭Curran


    Then again, I failed my test last christmas :o

    Go sit in the corner ....:D

    But have to agree with you there - was thought that you have to signal any move - even if its a car parked half on the kerb!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Doodee


    its indicate only if you have to cross the center line, otherwise you should be wise enough to proceed carefully and with consideration for on coming traffic.

    and staying a safe enough distance behind other traffic is the best way to avoid a sudden manouever


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭Armadillo


    Definitely less indicating happening lately.
    You also get drivers making a dodgy\sneaky overtake and don't indicate. Do they think it will draw more attention to their manouver if there orange light is flashing. ('If I don't indicate, it isn't happening' - kind of thing)

    Are Merc, Beamer, SUV\4x4 brigade more aggressive and arrogant drivers with the 'out of my way, don't you know who I am' attitude?

    What about changing lanes on a dual carraigeway or motorway?
    A change in lane is a change in direction? (heard a uk cop say this on one of those 'police stop' shows on Sky some time back)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭tc20


    Tauren wrote:
    I was told by my driving instructor that if you are over taking a parked car, or a pedistrian (anyting that it is stinking obvious that you will overtake) you don't need to indicate, unless you moving out to the right will force the car on coming to stop back.

    Technically wrong on both counts.
    We'll take the first part first - to whom is it stinking obvious that you are about to overtake or pass an obstruction? You could be driving a large vehicle (a la tax man) whereby you restrict the view of any traffic behind you, so to just move out without any warning to following traffic is bad practice.
    However, should you be in a quiet situation, ie no oncoming or follwing traffic (from regular checks of your mirrors), and where no other traffic will benefit from you not indicating, then thats ok.

    Secondly, and more importantly, your driving should not force other traffic to change their position or speed.


    Personally, i always signal to pass obstructions, such as cyclists, or stuff like small temp. roadwork signs, etc. I do occasionally drive a large van for work, so its about giving both oncoming & following traffic plenty of warning of an obstruction


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,837 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    tc20 wrote:
    Technically wrong on both counts.
    We'll take the first part first - to whom is it stinking obvious that you are about to overtake or pass an obstruction? You could be driving a large vehicle (a la tax man) whereby you restrict the view of any traffic behind you, so to just move out without any warning to following traffic is bad practice.
    However, should you be in a quiet situation, ie no oncoming or follwing traffic (from regular checks of your mirrors), and where no other traffic will benefit from you not indicating, then thats ok.

    Secondly, and more importantly, your driving should not force other traffic to change their position or speed.


    Personally, i always signal to pass obstructions, such as cyclists, or stuff like small temp. roadwork signs, etc. I do occasionally drive a large van for work, so its about giving both oncoming & following traffic plenty of warning of an obstruction
    fair enough, i'm just saying what i was told.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭tc20


    Tauren wrote:
    fair enough, i'm just saying what i was told.


    No probs Tauren,it wasn't meant as an attack on you, its just another example of the poor level of training given to beginner & learner drivers, something i do have a vested interest in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭C_Breeze


    The worst has to be when youre waiting to enter a roundabout and some pleb comes swinging right around the roundabout taking the 3rd exit with no indicator on , and then indicates LEFT 1 second before taking the exit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Has anyone else noticed how many people do this!?? its so annoying!... id love to stop them and bash their heads of the indicators lamps :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭Wossack


    Only indicating halfway through a maneuver is a favorite of mine - I know you're going to pull in front of me, you're halfway there already!

    Im pretty sure indicating a fraction of a second before turning the wheel isnt propper indicator use either... :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭prospect


    I have a few friends who indicate at the last possible moment, I usually try to remind them that:

    An indicator is there to indicate your INTENTION to turn, not to indicate that you are currently turning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,499 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    prospect wrote:
    An indicator is there to indicate your INTENTION to turn, not to indicate that you are currently turning.
    ... unless you're in France :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭fozzle


    I was driving from Galway to Sligo on Sunday and ended up in a long line of cars just outside Galway. Traffic was moving well and I was in no hurry so I was staying well back from the car in front. Some eejit in a Merc pulled in behind me briefly and then, without indicating, overtook not just me but also the car 4 seconds ahead of me, and the white van ~2 seconds ahead of that. Barely made it back over the line before it met oncoming traffic.

    Now that's good driving.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 141 ✭✭Kadeshh


    it annoys me greatly also when people dont indicate especially on roundabouts. what is even worse is those poeple on roundabouts in the wrong lane (outside lane for 2nd turnoff etc) for a turnoff who think that just by indicating they can cut right across you...

    on the other hand, arent indicators really only a courtesy to other drivers and not especially nessicary, sure they are usefull but most of the time it is pretty obvious what someone will do.. (just thought i'd throw that out there, ps not my personal opinion, use your flashy orange lights all the time)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    I'm a learner at the moment and i'm shocked by the complete lack of indicating, but what's worse, and i saw it twice in the last week, is when someone will indicate left and turn right:p, it's insane,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭daedalus2097


    Kadeshh wrote:
    on the other hand, arent indicators really only a courtesy to other drivers and not especially nessicary, sure they are usefull but most of the time it is pretty obvious what someone will do.. (just thought i'd throw that out there, ps not my personal opinion, use your flashy orange lights all the time)

    Nope, they're a part of the rules of the road, including how to indicate properly on roundabouts and so on. I hate people not using indicators, it's quite dangerous in a lot of situations! More than just a courtesy thing, it's a major safety thing too. More than once I've been overtaking one of these blatently unaware of the world around them types on a dual carriageway, and have them pull out, practically on top of me, without warning. I wouldn't start an overtaking manoevre if I had any idea the person I was overtaking was about to pull out, i.e. had an indicator on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭daedalus2097


    I'm a learner at the moment and i'm shocked by the complete lack of indicating, but what's worse, and i saw it twice in the last week, is when someone will indicate left and turn right:p, it's insane,

    Yup, it's one of those things that learners seem to be better at. The people driving for 20 years seem to have forgotten they had them, or else thing they're too experienced to need them or something. I don't understand it anyway...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    There is a flipside to the story.

    Imagine a t-junction and you want to turn left. from your right there is a car approaching, indicating left. so you think its going to turn into your road and you pull out ...crash ....because the oncoming vehicle never turned but drove straight ahead.

    Who's at fault?

    You are !

    Same goes for roundabouts. You have no come back just because somebody indicated wrongly or not at all.

    So for junctions and roundabouts its actually safest to ignore any and all indicators diplayed (or not , as the case may be) and only act if and when you're absolutely SURE where the other vehicle is going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭Eoin


    Tauren wrote:
    fair enough, i'm just saying what i was told.

    That's also what I was told: unless I have to pull out into the oncoming lane, I don't need to indicate. But sometimes I will still indicate if passing a cyclist or pedestrian etc that the driver behind me may not be able to see immediately.

    I am very anal about indicating also - more so since I bought a 3 series, just because of all the bmw driver bashers out there. In my experience, the worst have been people in vans, taxis (probably the worst offenders). I haven't noticed any particular makes being particularly bad, though I've noticed that blokes are worse than women.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭daedalus2097


    peasant wrote:
    There is a flipside to the story.

    Imagine a t-junction and you want to turn left. from your right there is a car approaching, indicating left. so you think its going to turn into your road and you pull out ...crash ....because the oncoming vehicle never turned but drove straight ahead.

    Who's at fault?

    You are !

    Same goes for roundabouts. You have no come back just because somebody indicated wrongly or not at all.

    So for junctions and roundabouts its actually safest to ignore any and all indicators diplayed (or not , as the case may be) and only act if and when you're absolutely SURE where the other vehicle is going.

    Yeah, that's true - and anyone who has recently been instructed how to drive will tell you that too. All an indicator really tells you is that their indicator is working. I'd never make a move in front of someone who looked like they'd turn in because obviously if they didn't make the turn they're into your side. I'm getting at the point however, that if someone wasn't indicating to make that left turn into a T-junction, you'd be more inclined to assume they're not going to make that move. Indicating one thing and not doing it is very annoying, but not nearly as dangerous as doing something you didn't indicate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭voxpop


    Kadeshh wrote:
    iwhat is even worse is those poeple on roundabouts in the wrong lane (outside lane for 2nd turnoff etc)

    You should be in the outside (left) lane if taking the second turnoff. The inside lane is for 3rd and subsequent exits


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭daedalus2097


    voxpop wrote:
    You should be in the outside (left) lane if taking the second turnoff. The inside lane is for 3rd and subsequent exits

    Ah here we go again :) If it's a 2-lane roundabout and there is traffic in the outside lane, you can use the inside lane for taking the second exit as well. Though in Ireland there are many, many exceptions to the standard roundabout rules - these are usually painted or signposted near the roundabout, sometimes quite badly. 2 of the 3 roundabouts I pass on my way to work have odd arrangements, requiring you to be in the inside lane to take the second exit. Which leaves the left lane open for all those twats who skip the queue and cut across you half way around :mad:

    Edit: Sorry, Voxpop, reading that sounds like I'm having a go at you... I'm not :) Kadeshh, maybe you meant 3rd exit? Either that or you were going too far around in the outside lane...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭spank_inferno


    agree with daedalus, inside lane users can take the 2nd exit.
    ie: the 9 & 12 oclock exits eg: loughlinstown roundabout on the N11.

    But yeah indicator use is random and poorly executed by many road users.
    I dont want to point especially at the White van drivers of Ireland but... I just gotta! :o

    Isnt this an indicating oditity:
    You approach a roundabout with 3 exits:
    9, 12 & 3 oclock
    You indicate left for the 9 oclock exit of course, & indicate right for the 3 oclock exit. But you also indicate right for the 12 oclock exit too.
    Odd considering your essentialy going straight ahead.
    Add to this that you can take the 2nd exit in the inside lane imagine the shock of someone in the outside lane taking the same exit seeing to their left
    seeing them indicating to the right, scary

    ... but thats according to my driving instructor , havent seen it happen in real life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    Driving around roundabouts properly can only be done by either creatues of habit or clearvoyants.

    All this inside lane/outside lane stuff only works if and when you know FOR SURE what the exit at the other end of the roundabout looks like ...are there two lanes or aren't there?

    Fine, if you drive the same ones every day and you KNOW what to expect, not so easy if you don't. whatever yo udo, there's a fifty percent chance of getting it wrong.

    I've long since given up ..I stay in the outside lane at all times :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭Andrewf20


    I have noticed that it seems to be getting worse too. While waiting to come onto a roundabout, if a car comes around it, without indicating I get quite vocal out the window with hand gestures as well. It really gets on my nerves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭daedalus2097


    Isnt this an indicating oditity:
    You approach a roundabout with 3 exits:
    9, 12 & 3 oclock
    You indicate left for the 9 oclock exit of course, & indicate right for the 3 oclock exit. But you also indicate right for the 12 oclock exit too.
    Odd considering your essentialy going straight ahead.
    Add to this that you can take the 2nd exit in the inside lane imagine the shock of someone in the outside lane taking the same exit seeing to their left
    seeing them indicating to the right, scary

    ... but thats according to my driving instructor , havent seen it happen in real life

    That's not the case... For 12 o'clock exits you should NOT indicate when entering the roundabout. You only indicate left when you're about to leave the roundabout and have passed the exit prior to the one you want to take, just like any other exit. 9 and 3 o'clocks you're right though.

    I see it the odd time (hehe, maybe it's you ;) ) on the Loughlinstown roundabout - I'd be in the right hand lane, going straight through, and the driver on my left indicates right. Makes me slow down and give him loads of room, just in case he decides to turn right in the outside lane and drives into the side of me! Generally seem to just take the 12 o'clock exit, tis a little scary though...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭voxpop


    If it's a 2-lane roundabout and there is traffic in the outside lane, you can use the inside lane for taking the second exit as well.

    I didnt realise that was the case - do you mean 2 lanes exiting the roundabout. Ive been on many a roundabout with 2 lanes entering and one exiting and no lane markings at all on the roundabout itself - makes for good fun. I would always go with the outside for 1 and 2 with the inside for all others unless I know there are two exiting lanes.
    The king of all roundabouts has to be walkinstown - the guy designing that must have been off his tits


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 615 ✭✭✭daedalus2097


    Well, actually meant where there's 2 lanes on the approach... Thing is though there shouldn't be any roundabouts with 2 lanes in and one lane out for that reason... Usually what they're doing recently is having a short run of a couple of car lengths after the roundabout wide enough for two lanes, then merging them, but yeah, it's fun when that's not there alright - I'll stick to the left lane anyway unless I know the roundabout. Hehe, yeah, it's a bit of a nightmare of a roundabout alright. The deer hunter one in Sallynoggin is another nightmare one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,788 ✭✭✭Vikings


    Isnt this an indicating oditity:
    You approach a roundabout with 3 exits:
    9, 12 & 3 oclock
    You indicate left for the 9 oclock exit of course, & indicate right for the 3 oclock exit. But you also indicate right for the 12 oclock exit too.
    Odd considering your essentialy going straight ahead.
    Add to this that you can take the 2nd exit in the inside lane imagine the shock of someone in the outside lane taking the same exit seeing to their left
    seeing them indicating to the right, scary

    ... but thats according to my driving instructor , havent seen it happen in real life

    Woah woah woah... eh no you don't do that. If you are going straight through a roundabout you do not indicate right, ever! You do not signal until you are past the first exit and then and only then do you indicate left.

    My friend failed his driving test because his instructor told him the same thing, completely wrong!! I wonder how many driving instructors could and should be stung for the cost of resitting the test?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭su_dios


    Not sure about that. Think you have to indicate right whenever an obstruction forces you to intrude onto the opposite carraigeway, regardless of any oncoming traffic.

    Then again, I failed my test last christmas :o

    When indicating when slightly moving to pass by parked cars is it not more to alert those driving behind you of this obstruction that they may not spot? You won't always cross the centre line when overtaking a parked car but if the car behind in moving at speed or travelling too close they may not react in time to the obstruction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,613 ✭✭✭Lord Nikon


    This ranks up there with people not turning their indicators off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    tc20 wrote:
    your driving should not force other traffic to change their position or speed.
    It depends on the vehicle. When driving a truck or bus, the driver is expected to make cars and other small vehicles change their position on the road to compensate for the greater width of the truck or bus.

    My employer had all drivers analysed recently. Although my driving was generally good, I was told that I was driving too near the left on narrow roads/streets and that I should be maintaining a position about 50cms over the white line and encourage car drivers to move over.

    Looking back, that's exactly how I was taught to drive large vehicles but, over the years, I had developed the habit of keeping inside the lines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    My employer had all drivers analysed recently. Although my driving was generally good, I was told that I was driving too near the left on narrow roads/streets and that I should be maintaining a position about 50cms over the white line and encourage car drivers to move over.

    Looking back, that's exactly how I was taught to drive large vehicles but, over the years, I had developed the habit of keeping inside the lines.

    S'cuse me ?????:eek:

    You were tought to do what?

    That's bloody bullying by tonnage and size ...mine's bigger than yours, get the fcuk out off the way - behaviour.

    Crossing a centre line (or any continous marking on the road, like painted-on traffic islands and lane separators for example) was an instant driving test failure in the organisation where I got my HGV licence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭coolmoose


    have to agree with wishbone, the teaching recently seems to be more along the "get away from the left kerb" and keep your bus/truck out a bit. all with due consideration for oncoming traffic obviously!

    i wouldn't say it's bullying by tonnage and size! i was driving a bus recently, about 1' inside the white line when a corsa crossed over and smashed into the side of me!

    no matter which side ur nearer to these days it makes no difference, the standard of driving has declined so much!

    [/rant]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,038 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    peasant wrote:
    Crossing a centre line (or any continous marking on the road, like painted-on traffic islands and lane separators for example) was an instant driving test failure in the organisation where I got my HGV licence.
    Don't shoot the messenger peasant. I'm merely describing what I was taught and I have passed the driving test in all categories. My driving was described under analysys as 'not assertive enough'.

    Most roads have a left leaning camber. Many telegraph poles, road signage and bus stop signs are placed at the edge of the kerb. If driving a high sided vehicle on a narrow soad/street, it is virtually impossible to maintain a position inside the lines without colliding with one of these obstacles. (Next time you see a double deck bus note the damage at the front nearside corner).

    If a road is 5 metres wide, it is more appropriate that the truck/bus utilises 3 metres and the car utilises 2 metres. I'm often is situations where I'm using every cm available to me when meeting a car while the car driver has a metre to spare at their nearside. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    I know exactly what you're talking about re camber and leaning telegraph poles etc. And yes ...it's not always possible to stay within the line without getting into trouble on the far side, so you do have to cross over occasionally.

    But I 'm surprised that it is being taught as a rule now to be generally over and be more "assertive".

    Just ten minutes ago I was almost flattened by one very "assertive" driver. Artic truck bombing along at 80 or more kmh on a road restricted to 60 for the very reason that it is too narrow and bendy. That idiot was so "assertive", half the truck was on my lane. I had to hit the brakes fully, climb into the ditch and the trailer still only missed my mirror by about 10 cm:eek:

    I'm still shaking ...pity I didn't get time to look for his reg, otherwise I'd show him "assertive"


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