kyusho jitsu

dent

There are lots of these videos popping up on youtube.

It should be a crime to teach this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQym2hpJYA4

paxo

I've had a lot of success useing pressure point techniques.
I've applied right metatarsel(RM) to pressure point gonad 1 (G1)with some success. Occasionaly I've had to improvise, once I applied Baseball bat (BB1) to Kneecap 1 ( KC 1). Didn't get the knock out but did achieve a knock down.
Generally I try and find a point on my opponent and apply lots of pressue to it, that usually works
Paxo

dent

Seems like they have an Irish pressence

http://*******.fortunecity.com/discus/602/kyushoireland.html

From their facts page

One Point causes pain

Two points causes the pain to meet in the middle

Three points will cause a T.K.O. / K.O

Four points will stop an Organ in the body

Five points result in death

paxo

dent wrote:

Seems like they have an Irish pressence

http://*******.fortunecity.com/discus/602/kyushoireland.html

From their facts page

One Point causes pain

Two points causes the pain to meet in the middle

Three points will cause a T.K.O. / K.O

Four points will stop an Organ in the body

Five points result in death

Six pints results in oblivion:D

TKD SC

paxo wrote:

Six pints results in oblivion:D

Six pints or points?

Six pints is time to move on to the main course! Not oblivion!

Kyusho1

dent There are lots of these videos popping up on youtube.

It should be a crime to teach this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQym2hpJYA4

As someome who has trained with Hanshi George Dillman and Shihan Evan Pantazi, among others, I find this comment insulting. To lable accomplished Martial Artists as "criminals" is a disgrace. I've had pressure points applied to me and believe me they do work. Surely the highest form of proof is having something performed on oneself? For those of you who haven't experienced it first hand you really should reserve judgement and keep an open mind untill you do. Kyusho is an amazing art and fighting form and will certainly survive and grow despite the pathetic efforts of "keyboard Warriors".
Regards,
Martin.

yomchi

Then how come a leading authority on pressure points - who I won't name, but for some it maybe obvious - and who knows George Dillman well says he's a fraud with his no touch knock outs?

MartinC2006

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-x4iJM2aU4


Funny how it doesn't work on the "Non Believers" at the end of the video. I the minds of the people who do fall over make it real for them, if anything its a good form of hypnotism?

Martin.

muckwarrior

That dillman guy must have got his belt from the school of TV evangelists. Although then again even they have to actually touch the person to make them fall!

Kyusho1

Jon Then how come a leading authority on pressure points - who I won't name, but for some it maybe obvious - and who knows George Dillman well says he's a fraud with his no touch knock outs?
Yesterday 18:49

Very easy to make a point, a bad one that is, with unnamed sources.

MartinC2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-x4iJM2aU4


Funny how it doesn't work on the "Non Believers" at the end of the video. I the minds of the people who do fall over make it real for them, if anything its a good form of hypnotism?

Martin.

Not everything works all of the time. This piece was "cut". What they don't show you is the 25 odd knock outs that were performed on random people, members of the public and various martial artists. They cut this out to create propagada to fill an agenda.

Quillo

I don't know enough to say whether this stuff works or not....

However, I would be very slow to completely believe anything I saw on YouTube (or anywhere else on the Internet) without checking sources and motivations.

As we all know, a little clever editing can completely change the original nature of video footage........

arybvtcw0eolkf

Remember this poor ol' ba$tard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I&mode=related&search=

Tim_Murphy

dent wrote:

There are lots of these videos popping up on youtube.

It should be a crime to teach this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQym2hpJYA4

LOL. It amazes me that people don't learn this stuff and use it in competitive fights. How mcuh easier would it be than actually having to train for fights?! :rolleyes:

I've had pressure points applied to me and believe me they do work. Surely the highest form of proof is having something performed on oneself?

Not really no.

Not everything works all of the time.

I've yet to see a choke (as one example) that doesn't work all the time.

dent

Kyusho1 wrote:

As someome who has trained with Hanshi George Dillman and Shihan Evan Pantazi, among others, I find this comment insulting. To lable accomplished Martial Artists as "criminals" is a disgrace. I've had pressure points applied to me and believe me they do work. Surely the highest form of proof is having something performed on oneself? For those of you who haven't experienced it first hand you really should reserve judgement and keep an open mind untill you do. Kyusho is an amazing art and fighting form and will certainly survive and grow despite the pathetic efforts of "keyboard Warriors".
Regards,
Martin.

Now with no hands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SLtXlQkDAE

If you can knock me out with that technique I will give you my house.

Edit: P.S I know how to defeat Dillman by simply pressing my tongue against the roof of my Mouth. I am now the founder and 11 dan grand master of "Anti Kyusho". But I am willing to teach you for 500 dollars a grading.

dent

Mairt wrote:

Remember this poor ol' ba$tard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I&mode=related&search=

I found this one to be really sad. The guy obviously believed in it so much.

Hopefully it opened his students eyes.

SBG Ireland

the no-touch stuff is obviously nonsense - dillman himself says at the end of the video it didn't work because he was a 'non-believer'. but if a group of grown ups want to participate in a kinda group self deception and play mystical martial arts then go for it.

what i did find disturbing was the adults playing this game with the kid. letting him believe he was forming a 'chi ball' that could knock a grown up back. its giving him a very warped world view and doing the exact opposite of what 'good' martial arts like wrestling, judo, thai etc would do for him.

cowzerp

Kyusho1 wrote:

As someome who has trained with Hanshi George Dillman and Shihan Evan Pantazi, among others, I find this comment insulting. To lable accomplished Martial Artists as "criminals" is a disgrace. I've had pressure points applied to me and believe me they do work. Surely the highest form of proof is having something performed on oneself? For those of you who haven't experienced it first hand you really should reserve judgement and keep an open mind untill you do. Kyusho is an amazing art and fighting form and will certainly survive and grow despite the pathetic efforts of "keyboard Warriors".
Regards,
Martin.

The heavyweight boxing scene is where the money is to be made, so if i eat pies and cakes and doughnuts for the next 6 months i should make weight-willl you train me how to knock out wladimar klitscho so i can win the belt? cant wait to be the world champ! ps. he's a big hitter and has long arms so i dont want him getting within 6 feet of me!

yomchi

Not everything works all of the time.

Thats taking a bit of a chance isn't it? How many techniques do have to fumble through before you get some hairy ass mofo off your neck while he's robbing your rolex?

All this no touch stuff is simple auto suggestion, you take someone who is willing to sub conciously accept suggestion and you use it against them - Derren Brown did a TV programme on it once and showed first hand how it works.
Chi balls, no touch knock outs, ninja death touches, thai spring rolls are all based on auto suggestion.
As John says if anyone wants to dabble away with this type of stuff, fair dues! But its probably better off being done on stage with an unsuspecting public as a hypnotism/entertainment show rather than being passed off as an actual form of combat.

yomchi

Mairt wrote:

Remember this poor ol' ba$tard...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I&mode=related&search=

Jeez yeh! Thats actually quite a sad clip - kinda feel sorry for the old guy who obviously had 100% belief in his 'system'. Can't help but blame some of his dumb ass students for letting him get as far as the mat with a real combatant.

Colm_OReilly

http://www.healthbolt.net/2007/02/14/26-reasons-what-you-think-is-right-is-wrong

yomchi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dillman

Raising one toe and pushing the other one down? Sounds like walking to me, narrows its effects down even more!

Cake Fiend

dent wrote:

It should be a crime to teach this.

That will only solve the problem to a limited degree. I propose outlawing stupidity! And/or gullibility.

Kyusho1

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Adverts | Blog | Friends the no-touch stuff is obviously nonsense - dillman himself says at the end of the video it didn't work because he was a 'non-believer'. but if a group of grown ups want to participate in a kinda group self deception and play mystical martial arts then go for it.

what i did find disturbing was the adults playing this game with the kid. letting him believe he was forming a 'chi ball' that could knock a grown up back. its giving him a very warped world view and doing the exact opposite of what 'good' martial arts like wrestling, judo, thai etc would do for him.

Personally I find rolling around on the ground hugging someone a bit unrealistic myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K8c2mRZF_c

Kyusho1

I've yet to see a choke (as one example) that doesn't work all the time.

So a choke works for you every single time you attempt it in a fight, you must be the "perfect martial artist" .:rolleyes:

yomchi

O dear, I can see where this thread will end up!

Kyusho, maybe you can explain the logic behind no touch knock outs? How do they work?

Tim_Murphy

So a choke works for you every single time you attempt it in a fight, you must be the "perfect martial artist" .

The guys in the videos above stood there as George or whoever else 'knocked them out'. In other words, they stood there and let the person do it. If a person stands in front of me and lets me put on a choke then yes, it will work everytime. Even if they are non-believers of chokes, and even regardless of what position their toes are in.

SBG Ireland

Kyusho1 wrote:

Personally I find rolling around on the ground hugging someone a bit unrealistic myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K8c2mRZF_c

not sure i get you. yes it would be unrealistic in a fight....but not in a submission wrestling match which is what that was.

do you actually believe that child was creating radio waves (or any of them for that matter) that could knock someone back?

waterford mma

how does it work ? magic of course.

There are numerous methods you may explore if you want to dabble in magic, f.i. rituals, spells, incantations, magical items, magical animals, etc. But some caution is needed. Magical animals for one may be quite annoying and cause you significant trouble with the powers of Evil. And most magic rituals are designed to make you look silly, rather than bring about the result you strive for in an expedient manner.

“All right, now I'm going to use my magic to fly up this wall.”


~ Steven Seagal


http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Magic

cowzerp

Kyusho1 wrote:

So a choke works for you every single time you attempt it in a fight, you must be the "perfect martial artist" .:rolleyes:

If any bjj practitioner took you down and wanted to choke you, thats what they would do unless you where trained to defend such a situation! dont compare moves that are proven and tested and can be done by anyone against anyone to ryu and ken fireballs that only work against people who are brainwashed! im still waiting for 1 of these moves to be used in competition such as boxing mma or muay thai? but it wont happen as you know you would end up looking like a fool.

yomchi

In fairness there is proof that knock outs over distance do actually work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxJNz9tQyLE

Tim_Murphy

Jon wrote:

In fairness there is proof that knock outs over distance do actually work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxJNz9tQyLE

LMAO

Kyusho1

do you actually believe that child was creating radio waves (or any of them for that matter) that could knock someone back?

Are you trying to be funny or just ignorant? Do you think Chi and radio waves are the same thing?

Tim_Murphy

Are you trying to be funny or just ignorant? Do you think Chi and radio waves are the same thing?

I know it's not directed at me but one difference at least is that radio waves can actually be shown to exist.

Kyusho1

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:mad:
So now the personal attacks begin. More "keyboard warriors"! I bet if i made a comment like that about your precious MMA I be banned, but I guess it down to a double standard and a biased "moderator".
You should all open your minds and at least accept the possibility that some of this is real. I find your "man hugging" unrealistic, but at least i keep an open mind about and don't resort to personal attacks.

cowzerp

We also hug woman! your a funny bloke, glad to have you on board boards-the comedy part needs livening up too!!
Actually i like the joke about bjj been the gayest sport in the world-funny cause as an outsider it looks true-lol

Roper

Actually "man hugging" could quite easily be construed as a slur on the sexuality of those involved. Not that it bothers anyone involved, since they've most likely heard it a hundred times before.

Two words fella: PROVE IT. Then all the insults will stop!

Tim_Murphy

So now the personal attacks begin. More "keyboard warriors"! I bet if i made a comment like that about your precious MMA I be banned, but I guess it down to a double standard and a biased "moderator".

Those comments were only posted 10 minutes ago so give the mod a chance! I'd agree though that it was out of order.

TKD SC

Kyusho1 wrote:

I find your "man hugging" unrealistic, but at least i keep an open mind...at least accept the possibility that some of this is real

Hi Kyusho,

2 quick things. As SBG Ireland mentioned above, "man hugging" (per the youtube vid) is "unrealistic in a fight, but not in a submission wrestling match". (although, if a fight did end on the ground, I know what skills I'd like to have!)
You say you keep an open mind, yet you're referring to bjj / submission wrestling as man hugging, so that doesn't seem like an open mind to me?

2nd point: I'm being sincere here. Do you teach kyoshu in Dublin / Ireland? I am open to trying anything once and would love to attend a class. As you say above re: accepting possibility that some of this is real - it would be great to experience it first hand and then decide. I'm sure one or two others here would like to see it for themselves.

Thanks,

Simon

waterford mma

i found a video showing it being used successfully in a real life situation
. the dudes it worked on are pretty big too


http://youtube.com/watch?v=9qbfDc2IuC8

yomchi

I find your "man hugging" unrealistic,

But as a combat sport it is realistic. You can see it, you can feel it (:eek: ), you can adpat to it, you can enjoy it, you can get hurt... all level plains of reality imo.

dlofnep

I find the occasional hug comforting.

I find your "man hugging" unrealistic, but at least i keep an open mind...

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TKD SC

I could do with a hug now

Colm_OReilly

dlofnep, galfano, Kyusho - Consider this a warning by Colm the Mod. Personal Slander will not be tolerated. galfano, the only reason you're not serving time in the sin bin is the function wouldn't work for me.

Kyushu,
May I ask you what specifically do you find unrealistic about wrestling?

Thanks,
Colm the Poster

SBG Ireland

"Are you trying to be funny or just ignorant? Do you think Chi and radio waves are the same thing?"

neither, i thought i heard dillman say the kid was forming radio waves between his hands??

but regardless just answer me one simple question...do you really believe that kid made the adult stumble back using some force (besides the adult faking it)?

if yes then why won't it work on any skeptic? there's a couple of these youtube videos floating around and they always show it working on the guys students but then failing on those people outside their little circle. does that not make you question it?

"I find your "man hugging" unrealistic"

you may do but it can be shown to work again again against any resisting opponent. i find no-touch ko's unrealistic because it cant be shown to work on a skeptic.

muckwarrior

SBG Ireland wrote:

if yes then why won't it work on any skeptic?

Duh, he had his big toe sticking up :rolleyes:

Edit: And I'm also pretty sure I heard someone mention radiowaves in that vid too.

dlofnep

No touch KO's don't work. Unless you are playing Street Fighter 2.. In which case, you will lose. Nobody beats dlofnep!

Valmont

I really wish Chi power hadokens like the type Ryu does were real, that would be great, in fact when I was young lad I did believe they were real and all my friends would fall over when I powered one up. But we were only playing

I find it quite scary that people really do swear by this stuff, I mean, come on:rolleyes:

cowzerp

they do work-i sparred dlofnep and knocked him down with 1, he beat the 10 count though so there not as good as i thought!

dlofnep

in fairness, you spent 2 hours building up your chi.

Cake Fiend

Kyusho1 wrote:

Personally I find rolling around on the ground hugging someone a bit unrealistic myself.

LOL, I dare you to get to your nearest SBG and put your money where your mouth is

cowzerp

dlofnep wrote:

in fairness, you spent 2 hours building up your chi.

True and now my head hurts from all the kicks and punches you gave me while i was building up my sonic boom-next time i'll build it before sparring!