What do you consider as high points?

Enemy Of Fate

Not the points you're aiming for, but the points you consider to be a moderately high number.I'd consider anything above 400 to be high, with 300-370 being average, an anything sub-300 being poor (obviously points above like 450 are considered to be very high).So what do you consider to be high/decent points?

sternn

I consider anything below 300 to be a poor result. Anything above 400 would be a good result.

spurious

For someone wishing to go directly to University or college, I suppose less than 300 would be a disappointment and over 400 'good'.
Of course for some people, 4-5 Cs or Ds at Ordinary Level is a fantastic achievement. It depends where you are starting from.

JC 2K3

Well, 360 is 6 HL C3s, however, the average grade in LC subjects is not a C3, I'd say it's more like a B3. 6 B3s = 450

I'd class 400-500 as average and above 500 high, personally.

SamHamilton

spurious wrote:

For someone wishing to go directly to University or college, I suppose less than 300 would be a disappointment and over 400 'good'.
Of course for some people, 4-5 Cs or Ds at Ordinary Level is a fantastic achievement. It depends where you are starting from.

If someone gets 500+ I'm impressed. But then again, I don't really judge people on the points they got. It's very easy to tell if someone is intelligent whne you first meet them and I go by this instead of points. There's someone in my class who'll get about 300 but who's the wisest person I know (under the age of 50).

elefant

Before this year I thought getting 500 or so wouldn't be too hard, but when you actually check it out it's really hard.

What i mean is, 6 89percent exams will 'only' get you 540points. That means you pretty much know everything, but you won't get nera 600!

I hope i can get 500, but I only need like 380 for Arts so I'm sorted either way...

(I probably just jinxed myself to 200points)

kisaragi

Personaly I think anything above 500 is high. And anything above say 530 is extraordinarily high

300 is average. But it doesn't mean you're stupid if you get low points... As spurious said for some people passing everything is all they want And conversely if you want to do medicine then 560 is crap

JC 2k3 6 B3s might be 450 but most people I know don't even take six honours subjects, and to get a B3 in one would be fantastic. I mean the majority of people take pass Irish and Maths...

conor2007

300 is average


so obviously most ppl here failed maths

cson

I very much doubt the average grade in a leaving cert subject is a B3. If it is, then you can't assume that everyone will be average in their subjects (getting a B3) and hence obtain 450 points. I would hazard a guess that 450 points is way above average.

As for what I consider, it depends on the person, if you achieve what you want or above it you've every reason to be as delighted as someone who got 600.

colm-ccfc84

I would consider 500+ as high points.

Corruptedmorals

The average points are 300-350, that's where the majority of people end up.

I would class 450+ as high.personally. 400-450 as really good though..

DtotheK

in my opinion

600 quite high!
500+ high
400-500 good
300-400 average
0-300 not great...

tolosenc

500-550 is high points; 550+ is extraordinarily high.

For me, a fairly mediocre score would be 450.

Splinkk

I'c consider above 450 high.
Then above 500 as super high.
Spose it really depends where youre coming from, Id say if you went to a grind school and forked out 6 grand for it and came out with 450, you wouldnt be too pleased.
I wouldnt anyway.

cson

I'd actually be quite surprised that in 5/6 years time your employers would actually give a ****e what leaving cert results you got. I'd imagine a 2.1 would be a much better weapon to have in the armoury.

AdMMM

JC 2K3 wrote:

Well, 360 is 6 HL C3s, however, the average grade in LC subjects is not a C3, I'd say it's more like a B3. 6 B3s = 450

I'd class 400-500 as average and above 500 high, personally.

Not 100% of students sit 6 HL subjects.

euwwy deuwwy

I'm just waiting for some unexpecting fool to come along with a comment on the lines of '500 points or less is ****' and then everyone's going to go crazy, and abuse will be trown all ova the shop like that 'not a happy bunny' thread.
JC 3K2, do you want to add anything??

euwwy deuwwy

|.Murderer.| wrote:

Not 100% of students sit 6 HL subjects.

Oh, my bad, it might have already started!:rolleyes:

Corruptedmorals

Ha, nah, that 1234444 guy is banned, otherwise he'd be straight in here saying that..

JC 2K3

kisaragi wrote:

JC 2k3 6 B3s might be 450 but most people I know don't even take six honours subjects, and to get a B3 in one would be fantastic. I mean the majority of people take pass Irish and Maths...

I don't know many people not taking 6 honours subjects.. Those who I know who aren't are particularly weak students....

And I rarely hear of many people getting lower than 400 in the LC....

Is my situation strange somehow?

Corruptedmorals

Yes, that's a bit skewed. Here over 400 is really good, 340 is super-common and over 500 is amazing..

JC 2K3

euwwy deuwwy wrote:

I'm just waiting for some unexpecting fool to come along with a comment on the lines of '500 points or less is ****' and then everyone's going to go crazy, and abuse will be trown all ova the shop like that 'not a happy bunny' thread.
JC 3K2, do you want to add anything??

Lol, here's the double standards again.

You wouldn't have any problem with someone having low standards as to what they consider high points, but if someone has high standards then they're an arrogant fool.

memberofpublic

200 - 300: "That's good, were you happy?"
300 - 400: "Well done"
400 - 500: "Great, well done"
500 - 550: "Brilliant"
550 - 600: :eek:

euwwy deuwwy

How is 'This isn't an emotional support forum....' anything to do with high standards? I would have to consider it foolish and unnessesary to say something like that on a forum about dissapointment regarding an exam, well unless you enjoy pissing people off.

JC 2K3

euwwy deuwwy wrote:

How is 'This isn't an emotional support forum....' anything to do with high standards? I would have to consider it foolish and unnessesary to say something like that on a forum about dissapointment regarding an exam, well unless you enjoy pissing people off.

That's a completely unrelated thread.

I made the double standards point on another thread where people were slating me.

E92

I consider high points to be a person getting what they are capable of getting. So if someone who is rubbish at Maths gets a C in pass Maths then I see that as an achievement for them. Whereas someone who is good at Maths and gets a B in honours Maths has achieved nothing special.

Its all relative. 300 points may be fantastic for someonew who is not acidemically minded whereas 500 points may not be that good at all for someone who is a bookworm.

JC 2K3

E92 wrote:

I consider high points to be a person getting what they are capable of getting. So if someone who is rubbish at Maths gets a C in pass Maths then I see that as an achievement for them. Whereas someone who is good at Maths and gets a B in honours Maths has achieved nothing special.

Its all relative. 300 points may be fantastic for someonew who is not acidemically minded whereas 500 points may not be that good at all for someone who is a bookworm.

Well of course, that's the ideological way of looking at it.

However, the LC is used to seperate people of differing academic ability. I think the point of this thread is to see what points people think reflect a high academic ability.

There's also the whole "not academically minded" vs. lazy argument.

ninebeanrows

This is how i would rank it.

340 - 390 Average, not good really.

400- 440 Good

450 - 490 Very Good

500 - 550 Excellant

euwwy deuwwy

You responded to my comment in which I was speaking about the 'not a happy bunny thread' so it kinda is related........

JC 2K3

Apologies for the confusion.

I was never really that involved in hurling abuse in the "I am not a happy bunny" thread in any case.

Smegball

I can't honestly see how people can class over 400 as average, and below 400 as fairly poor. That seems like snobbery to me.
300-380 would be average.
380+ well done, I would class this as high points personally.
250-300 I would still class as done decent, I wouldn't call that poor.

colm-ccfc84

Smegball- I don't think anyone is being snobby. It is merely personal opinion which is what the thread was asking for.

JC 2K3

Smegball wrote:

I can't honestly see how people can class over 400 as average, and below 400 as fairly poor. That seems like snobbery to me.
300-380 would be average.
380+ well done, I would class this as high points personally.
250-300 I would still class as done decent, I wouldn't call that poor.

What would you class as poor?

The world doesn't work in such ideological terms. The LC is supposed to seperate people of differing academic abilities. Are universities snobby for not letting somone with 200 points do medicine??

Smegball

colm-ccfc84 wrote:

Smegball- I don't think anyone is being snobby. It is merely personal opinion which is what the thread was asking for.

Fair enough, but for people like myself and others who see that above 400 is average it can be really offputting and nearly shocking to read. It just seemed like snobbery to me, I doubt they are snobs at all after all like you said it is personal opinion. It just seemed like it to me.

Enemy Of Fate

obl wrote:

For me, a fairly mediocre score would be 450.

Good job you don't run any universities then.

JC 2K3 wrote:

And I rarely hear of many people getting lower than 400 in the LC....
Is my situation strange somehow?

Very, seeing as how only 40% (can't remember the exact figure.Its on examiniations.ie ) of the people who sat the leaving last year got above 400.

Smegball

JC 2K3 wrote:

What would you class as poor?

The world doesn't work in such ideological terms. The LC is supposed to seperate people of differing academic abilities. Are universities snobby for not letting somone with 200 points do medicine??

Personally I would class poor as below 180-200. Suppose people doing all ordinary level would then class me as a snob.
I get your point,fair enough it's to separate people of a certain intelligence into different courses but when I seen 400-500 as average It seemed slightly snobby to me. Maybe that's the average in your area whereas the average around here would be 250-350.

kisaragi

JC 2K3 wrote:

I don't know many people not taking 6 honours subjects.. Those who I know who aren't are particularly weak students....

And I rarely hear of many people getting lower than 400 in the LC....

Is my situation strange somehow?

Yes I'd say it is haha. All you have to do is look at the numbers of students taking pass irish and maths... And all the other pass subjects too, if someone's taking pass geog/art/whatever chances are it's not their only pass subject.

JC 2K3

Weird.

Although, no one takes pass Irish in my school, and not many who do pass Maths do other pass subjects.

kisaragi

JC 2K3 wrote:

Weird.

Although, no one takes pass Irish in my school, and not many who do pass Maths do other pass subjects.

Really? I'd say about 60-70% of my school do pass Irish and the same or more for pass maths...

How many people are in your year?

Nehpets

I'm not aiming for high points which would probably be 500 or more. I'm aiming for what I need, but I'm thinking right now maybe I should have aimed a bit higher to make it safer.. I better go study..

Smegball

kisaragi wrote:

Really? I'd say about 60-70% of my school do pass Irish and the same or more for pass maths...

How many people are in your year?

Same for my school, in my year theres 4 Irish classes, 3 of them are pass.
3 Maths classes, 2 of them are pass.

JC 2K3

kisaragi wrote:

Really? I'd say about 60-70% of my school do pass Irish and the same or more for pass maths...

How many people are in your year?

I'm in a Gaelscoil, so...

There are about 60-70 in my year. About 60% would do pass maths I'd say.

Timans

JC 2K3 wrote:

Weird.

Although, no one takes pass Irish in my school, and not many who do pass Maths do other pass subjects.

Don't you go to an Irish speaking school though?

kisaragi

JC 2K3 wrote:

I'm in a Gaelscoil, so...

There are about 60-70 in my year. About 60% would do pass maths I'd say.

Well.. that makes sense then haha. People doing pass maths don't necessarily do other pass subjects but I'd say that if people are going to do a pass subject the first one is usually maths... But (in my experience) those who tend to do pass optional subjects do more than just one pass subject.

genericgoon

While some people only do pass maths or irish, I have seen few people do only one other subject at pass.

E92

kisaragi wrote:

Really? I'd say about 60-70% of my school do pass Irish and the same or more for pass maths...

How many people are in your year?

He he he in my school, wehave about 65-70% easily who do pass Irish, in fact many of those who are going to do very well in their other subjects dropped down to pass Irish this year cause it takes up so much time, and pass was a walk in the park for them. More than half do honours Maths, which is interesting.

Offtopic but now I know why that inspite of the fact JC 2K3 said that while he hates language learning because I cant remember the exact words but it was along the lines of it sucks and is of no practical use, he did his level best to defend compulsory Irish. Kinda funny isn't it? The only 'foreign language'(I know I said Irish is our language but lets face a little reality here learning Irish is like learning a foreign language since we spend most if not all our time using English, and we always want to know what thing in our 'own' language(irish) mean in the 'enemy' language(english), I'm only being tounge in cheek about it, I dont want any fíor Gaeilgóirs to have a seizure over my comment) that is/was of practical use to him. Just cause you're good at something, and you must be good at the national language since you would have spent a considerable amount of your time ag labhairt trí Gaeilge agus ag úsáid ár dTeagna féin doesnt mean that the rest of us should be forced to learn it.

cson

What people consider to be high points should be relative to themselves and themselves only. You should not be influenced by others opinions.

Besides points are only currency to get into college. Points aren't reflective of the quality of the course, merely they reflect supply versus demand. How many points you get in the leaving cert is not going to reflect how well you're going to do in life.

As for the not academically minded Vs Lazy argument, there are two broad ends of the spectrum covered there. You have people who come from wealthy backgrounds who have little to worry about as regards the basic neccessities. This in turn would lead to a general laziness that seems to have afflicted quite a few students. Its a product of the celtic tiger.

Then on the other hand you have students who are not academically gifted yet will work as hard as they can to best of their ability to do well and get a good job and education. They could do 4/5 pass subjects and end up with say 300, that to them is the equivilant of someone elses 600.

So it's not fair to class such people as 'lazy' or indeed to say the average leaving cert is 450 or to class that as mediocre when the figures from the SEC would suggest otherwise imo.

Karlusss

JC 2K3 wrote:

I'm in a Gaelscoil, so...

There are about 60-70 in my year. About 60% would do pass maths I'd say.

If he's in a Gaelscoil, there's also the bonus for answering through Irish to consider.

So 300 -> 330 or 490->545 or possibly more.

But definitely where I go to school (a community school):

0-300 - You wouldn't be congratulated, but it's pretty common.
300-400 - Would be considered average
400-500 - Very good
500-600 - Rarely happens, a handful a year maybe.

genericgoon

Id say more than a handful get 500+. Still not a huge amount but certainly a good few get it, just like a good few get less than 100

Karlusss

E92 wrote:

Just cause you're good at something, and you must be good at the national language since you would have spent a considerable amount of your time ag labhairt trí Gaeilge agus ag úsáid ár dTeagna féin doesnt mean that the rest of us should be forced to learn it.

I know this was directed at someone else (and I hope it's not a double post by the time I post it) but:

If you don't have to do compulsory Irish, then there's no way I'm doing compulsory Maths.

And if people don't have to do compulsory Maths, society suffers.

This may be ransom, but as long as there are language nazis (and seeing as I and JC seem to be Leaving Cert age, that will be for a long time yet), every effort will be made to stop Gaelic culture being destroyed even if it's inconvenient.

spurious

boards.ie would not reflect the general make-up of the Irish student body.

Boards members, in the main, are those who can afford (or whose families can afford) a PC at home, with internet access - that alone rules out a large segment of the Leaving Cert. cohort.

A student who attempted some Foundation subjects at Junior Cert. would more than likely be thrilled with a few Ds at Ordinary in Leaving Cert., but he is unlikely to be posting here and certainly not given the opinions some have espoused about people who get 'low' points.