Physics leak

óbriain1988

Anyone read in the Echo today about the physics teacher who claims to've been the one who wrote the physics test? he was giving an interview on what to look over and he let slip to the journalist that he was one of the people who submitted a paper to be considered for what might be the 2007 one... so like it could be his one.... i don't know how accurate it'll be but in the article he seemed to stress that f=ma and calibration curve of a semiconductor is essential to know for experiments.... he also made the point that the options aren't necessarily required to come up in a question... not sure what to make of that one... don't know about the whole thing really like - anyone else see it?

adam_ccfc

Yep, but I wasn't gonna post it! Thought it was Cork code of honour stuff to keep it from the Dubs like.

But since you've broken the silence; yeah, he kept mentioning F=ma alright. A definite tip. Know also how to use the linear motion equations.

Karoma

...but now that he's said it, they definitely won't use it... or will they... zomgbrain****

carlowboy

&#243 wrote: »

Anyone read in the Echo today about the physics teacher who claims to've been the one who wrote the physics test? he was giving an interview on what to look over and he let slip to the journalist that he was one of the people who submitted a paper to be considered for what might be the 2007 one... so like it could be his one.... i don't know how accurate it'll be but in the article he seemed to stress that f=ma and calibration curve of a semiconductor is essential to know for experiments.... he also made the point that the options aren't necessarily required to come up in a question... not sure what to make of that one... don't know about the whole thing really like - anyone else see it?

I will cry if the particle physics doesn't come up.

óbriain1988

well like the paper'd be distributed around the country now like... they couldn't change it at this late stage.... sure it mightn't even be his like... but he said he submitted one.... be good if it was like!

Creamy Goodness

there are two back up papers that are delivered along with the first paper, they can change what paper gets handed out.

eZe^

carlowboy wrote:

I will cry if the particle physics doesn't come up.

Dont worry, they have to put an option question, what he meant was that the question doesnt entirely have to be solely on the option. The section is so short that they have completely ran out of questions, so they are mixing it up with modern physics, as the two go hand in hand.

carlowboy

Bull**** btw. SEC makes the papers and there are no practicing teachers in the SEC.

óbriain1988

carlowboy wrote:

Bull**** btw. SEC makes the papers and there are no practicing teachers in the SEC.

i don't think so - our geo teacher sent in papers before - i'm almost certain a number of teachers submit one and they're not informed if it's picked or what... hence why this mightn't even be it like... i'm fairly certain our english teacher did one a few years back and worked through it with his class and it came up.. also, i can't see how the SEC could opporate without current teachers, working in the field like...

eZe^

&#243 wrote: »

i don't think so - our geo teacher sent in papers before - i'm almost certain a number of teachers submit one and they're not informed if it's picked or what... hence why this mightn't even be it like... i'm fairly certain our english teacher did one a few years back and worked through it with his class and it came up.. also, i can't see how the SEC could opporate without current teachers, working in the field like...

That wouldnt happen to be Neil O Brien would it?! haha!

Thats true though, apparently that Ernie O Hara guy from Bruce still has a big say in the chem/phys papers.

adam_ccfc

I know what i read anyway, I don't care about the rest of ye. F=ma all the way.

mp3guy

Cremo wrote:

there are two back up papers that are delivered along with the first paper, they can change what paper gets handed out.

So they print twice as many papers to through them out after June?

eZe^

adam_ccfc wrote:

I know what i read anyway, I don't care about the rest of ye. F=ma all the way.

Thats been a tip all along though, it has only come up once in the past 20 years.

adam_ccfc

eZe^ wrote:

Thats been a tip all along though, it has only come up once in the past 20 years.

No, I mean just using it like. As in force = 20N, mass = 10kg, find acceleration.

That kinda sh1t.

carlowboy

Yeah, its another reason why its bull****, he's just trying to chance his arm. He probably did send one in, but he won't know it was his paper until Monday afternoon. Ergo, to call this a leak is hyperbole at its best.

I'm not saying it wasn't printed in the Evening Echo btw!

adam_ccfc

carlowboy wrote:

Yeah, its another reason why its bull****, he's just trying to chance his arm. He probably did send one in, but he won't know it was his paper until Monday afternoon. Ergo, to call this a leak is hyperbole at its best.

I'm not saying it wasn't printed in the Evening Echo btw!

Your man the head of the Department called round to him with a bottle of champagne. Read into that what you will.

carlowboy

That he's lying then because the Department has noting to do with it. SEC are a different entity.

Anyone have a link?

óbriain1988

adam_ccfc wrote:

Your man the head of the Department called round to him with a bottle of champagne. Read into that what you will.

well i didn't see that bit in the article...

adam_ccfc

carlowboy wrote:

That he's lying then because the Department has noting to do with it. SEC are a different entity.

Anyone have a link?

And there are no links no?? You'd have to question just exactly how separate they are;)

Holidays to the Caribbean do NOT come cheap.

óbriain1988

mp3guy wrote:

So they print twice as many papers to through them out after June?

ya that'd seem a bit odd alright...

carlowboy

Am I slow or what? Whoooosh!

ninebeanrows

Can people elaborate as to what else he said

And what do people necessarily mean by f = ma ?

Surely thats just a tiny detail.

Cheers

Your Man

i read the article aswell, dont think the echo has articles like than online though.
id also wonder how "seperate" all of these exam boards etc are

adam_ccfc

Your Man wrote:

i read the article aswell, dont think the echo has articles like than online though.
id also wonder how "seperate" all of these exam boards etc are

Yeah I checked eecho.ie and there's nothing except the front and back pages.


It's on page 14 for anyone who has it. Can't miss it, there's a half page pic of your man with the wife and kids, new merc in the driveway, pond being constructed on the lawn, and a rather conspicuous looking SEC committee member (who shall go unnamed) guzzling finger food on the decking.

carlowboy

Alright, alright, you were a bit more subtle earlier ha ha

óbriain1988

eZe^ wrote:

That wouldnt happen to be Neil O Brien would it?!

emmmm..... tell me who you are and i'll tell you if i'm comfortable revealing my identity.... don't want the teacher fella coming after me for blowing his chances of writing a LC exam as well if the whole thing of back up papers is true.... although it's hard to see how it would be - surely there'd have been stories of handing out the wrong papers in past years like?? and the student wouldn't know till after the test! PLUS it'd be very impractical and against government policy.... (what with the greens in now and then not liking impracticle tree-felling.... but that's a different thread for a different forum!)

ninebeanrows

anyone want to scan up the article! Fairs fair!:D

seems 2 pretty harsh experiments to me.

Your Man

i heard on the radio this evenin the echo are in some kind of trouble for publishing the article

carlowboy

Aye, The Department are apparently going to take them to the courts.

ninebeanrows

Well to be honest, if people get wind of this and the likes, then expect the paper to be changed.

My parents tell me that back yonder, you had to sit the paper again if it was found it had been leaked:eek:

Might give me more time though!!

Scan up the article and be nice!

óbriain1988

Your Man wrote:

i heard on the radio this evenin the echo are in some kind of trouble for publishing the article

ya it mentioned on that news thing 96fm and redfm broadcast every hour (is that newstalk?? not sure..) but like it just said that the SEC are looking into a possible legal situation with the Echo? didn't say anything about physics like but what else could it be.... nothing else only that the Echo refused to comment... i suppose it'll come out more as time goes on like. well ye heard it here first anyway, whatever comes of it! (if it's not his exam now i say he'll be fair annoyed at the echo like... i know if i went to the bother of writing one i'd like it used!)

Nehpets

Those experiements were predicted No shocking news!

óbriain1988

Weathercheck wrote:

Scan up the article and be nice!

i've no scanner sorry! although i DO have a fair grasp of what MIGHT come up now nah sure surely someone has a scanner and today's echo?

ninebeanrows

Nehpets wrote:

Those experiements were predicted No shocking news!

Yea likely were going to get some different paper now

Suppose should be good, probably similar to bygone years.

TBH if this has been leaked its going to be changed. Its simply not fair on everyone else

Still like someone to upload the article perhaps pm it to me?

Wouldnt like to fall behind the crowd like!

adam_ccfc

&#243 wrote: »

i've no scanner sorry! although i DO have a fair grasp of what MIGHT come up now nah sure surely someone has a scanner and today's echo?

I'm going to bed now, but I have a fully functional scanner, and it'll go up first thing.

capslocked

That teacher is a f***n cowboy - hes f****d up the likely physics experiments for everyone just to get his five minutes of fame in the LOCAL echo - f proportional to a was supposed to be a gimme this year - in the words of cork langers everywhere - like what the f*** like

óbriain1988

Weathercheck wrote:

Well to be honest, if people get wind of this and the likes, then expect the paper to be changed.

My parents tell me that back yonder, you had to sit the paper again if it was found it had been leaked:eek:

Might give me more time though!!

Scan up the article and be nice!

we might be ok weather check, like i don't think they could just change it so soon like... and there'd be uproar for the sake of it if dates had to change... also there's the whole transportation costs of SECURELY getting the new ones out... further payment of the supervisors.... it's just too much like.. especially considering he didn't say the actual questions like... just what to look over... so maybe marked a bit harder? SEC and echo might try to keep it on the sly as well... who knows like, it's all speculation like... there's only one thing for certain - there's a Cork physics teacher in hot butter now...

Tomlowe

well at least the replacement paper will almost certainly have a particle physics q

mp3guy

How did he screw it up? It's too late to print 6,000 papers now.

ninebeanrows

adam_ccfc wrote:

I'm going to bed now, but I have a fully functional scanner, and it'll go up first thing.

Thanks mate.

And yea, it would be a very difficult situation to tackle, it will be brushed under carpet alright but for how long.

I havent seen the article so he may not of said too much anyway. I am sure many teachers who have helped to write programs have been on radio shows and the likes and that this is only different as he actually let it slip.

óbriain1988

mp3guy wrote:

How did he screw it up? It's too late to print 6,000 papers now.

exactly... i don't think there's replacement papers in the centres like.... they couldn't have 3 types for each exam, it's unrealistic and things like this almost never happen...

chas_88

&#243 wrote: »

he also made the point that the options aren't necessarily required to come up in a question... not sure what to make of that one...

that's quite interesting- my teacher has been telling us for most of the year not to get too concerned about the options, because they're due to leave them out of the exam very soon, more than likely this year. I think that just made this leak thing a bit more credible to me anyway. Somehow I doubt those papers will be changed now...

Your Man

yeah i doubt it

tolosenc

Didn't they have spares to change to back when that bus crash happened though? Someone get that article up!!!

Feddd

eZe^ wrote:

Thats true though, apparently that Ernie O Hara guy from Bruce still has a big say in the chem/phys papers.

I'm a Bruce physics student and that is true. Its not him who leaked it, is it? Havn't read it myself yet. Doubt he would do that though.



Why are more people not going "OMG, NO PARTICLE PHYSICS??!?". I would die on the spot if it didn't come up!

Turnip2000

So what have we learned? F = MA !! Wowsers...never gona be the most difficult of Q's. Nething else? No particle physics? People have been saying that all week and u cant prepare for a question that isnt coming up?;)

Hence, ergo, therfore...were wasting precious study time talking about this rif raf which some ace reporter got the scoop on out in the big town!:eek:

Go read some books!!

chas_88

obl wrote:

Didn't they have spares to change to back when that bus crash happened though? Someone get that article up!!!

no, they didn't change it at all! what happened was that the ordinary level junior cert english paper that year had an essay title "a trip on the school bus" or something, which caused a bit of an uproar, and that was with far more notice than just 3 days before the exam, as is the case here.

remus808

Just like to say..

SO glad I dropped physics..

Enjoy

hoolio

Okay just a few things:

1) No one person sets the exams, be it LC or JC, it just doesn't work like that. Also no one person has any more influnce on the exam then anyone else. Even if they teach in bruce :rolleyes: .

2) Teachers do send sample questions into the SEC, which may or may not make it onto the final paper, either partly or entirely. It does vary on the subject however. There are ten if not hundreds of submissions by teachers in LC Biology, fewer in things like Tech Graph. The SEC sets the questions ultimately. Whether or not they use anything any teacher sets is their call.

3) There are no alternative exam papers waiting in that big metal box in the halls just in case. Thats pure fantasy. If for no other reason then no one wants to pay for them.

4) If, and thats a big if, the board choose to alter the paper in any way, and if the leak is accurate, the most likely thing to happen is that an alternative questions or two will be distributed to the exams halls, either by email, fax or otherwise and either be photocopied on site for students, or projected/written down for students to see.

5) This one teacher has NOT seen the paper, and is assuming at best.

And just so you know f=ma is a safe bet most years anyway.

now if he was an examiner/advising examiner you might believe him a little more.

Feddd

hoolio wrote:

Okay just a few things:

1) No one person sets the exams, be it LC or JC, it just doesn't work like that. Also no one person has any more influnce on the exam then anyone else. Even if they teach in bruce :rolleyes: .

2) Teachers do send sample questions into the SEC, which may or may not make it onto the final paper, either partly or entirely. It does vary on the subject however. There are ten if not hundreds of submissions by teachers in LC Biology, fewer in things like Tech Graph. The SEC sets the questions ultimately. Whether or not they use anything any teacher sets is their call.

3) There are no alternative exam papers waiting in that big metal box in the halls just in case. Thats pure fantasy. If for no other reason then no one wants to pay for them.

4) If, and thats a big if, the board choose to alter the paper in any way, and if the leak is accurate, the most likely thing to happen is that an alternative questions or two will be distributed to the exams halls, either by email, fax or otherwise and either be photocopied on site for students, or projected/written down for students to see.

5) This one teacher has NOT seen the paper, and is assuming at best.

And just so you know f=ma is a safe bet most years anyway.

now if he was an examiner/advising examiner you might believe him a little more.

Thats all true. He said even at the start that his paper may not even be the one. At most they may have taken one of his questions or something so nothing to worry about folks! Particle physics will indeed come up!

On a slightly unrelated topic: Doesn't Hugh Macmanis set the whole Honours maths paper by himself?

RandolphEsq

Did anyone year about the guy in Blackrock this year who supposedly stole one of the LC papers?
I don't know if it's true but they say he was caught before it got out so the exam can still go ahead.
Maybe it was BS however