Speeding up when being overtaken

Seinas

last night I was driving to Killarney... on a wide stretch of road there was a car in front of me, a van, and another car. The speed limit being 100km, the car at the very front was doing about 75km. The car directly in front, a Primera, overtook the van and the car. Checking that it was clear, i overtook the van with ease and then when i reached the car, the b!tch started speeding up, and she continued to speed up. It seemed like forever, she just wouldnt let me overtake, at one stage she beeped her horn at me, and then what came in the other direction?? yep, traffic!! i really panicked.. but because mine is more powerful than her car i slipped back in just in time.... it really scared the crap outta me... learner driver experience i suppose!

why do people do this???

ohh btw, it wasnt like she was a girl racer, she was a middle aged woman in a saloon... it may have been a Mazda 626

Villain

Ah some people applied to the Gardai but were rejected for being too short she must have been one of them.

daedalus2097

Hmmm... Maybe she has a rare medical condition which means seh has to be at the front of the traffic at all times or else she'll die... Or maybe it's jsut a serious case of the "I own the road and can do what I want" syndrome that afflicts a lot of Irish drivers...

I've come across it myself, it's ridiculous, pointless and dangerous. Sometimes feels like that person is trying to teach you a lesson for trying to overtake or something...

Anan1

I remember reading once that broad-shouldered people are more likely to do this. Apparently, the area which you subconsciously percieve to be your 'personal space' is directly related to your size. When this area is infringed upon, people can get ratty. It's just something I read, but it's an interesting one to watch out for.

On a more practical level, all overtaking should be conducted at full throttle. There are a million and one things that can go wrong while overtaking, you really want to get it done and over with as quickly as possible.

lightening

Yeah, I have come accross that lots and lots of times. Middle aged men in big saloons usually. Its the "I'm not letting this f*cker in front of me" attitude. They are the same ones who wont merge in traffic, the velcro themselves to the car in front and beep at anyone trying to merge properly. Younger male drivers and modified car owners seem to be the best, they always know how to merge and act when being overtaken.

DarkJager

P.I.T Manuever FTW!!!!

Saruman

Thats crazy, whats crazier is that had their been an accident it would have been you at fault.
Remember the foreign driver months ago? He was overtaking a car and then the other car would not let him and kept speeding up and he ended up hitting oncomming traffic. He was arrested for dangerous driving.

If you came in behind her you should have taken her reg details and called the garda when you could. Nothing would be done i would assume but maybe they might just call around and explain it to her.

_feedback_

This really does bug the s*it out of me too... They are the same people that will slow down to 50km/h on a bend and back up to 100 (over the 80 limit) on a straight stretch! I'm not giving out about them driving over the limit but the fact that it makes it impossible to overtake.

I was driving on a rural road a couple of days ago and got stuck behind a tractor with a huge trailer. Was impossible to see past him, this guy was slowing down to 30km/h going up a hill (heavy load) and I simply thought it was dangerous. I think about 2/3 cars got past him but everyone else was stuck.

Moral of story: please pull in and let us pass you !!!!!

is_that_so

I come across this regularly on the M1 and that other carry-on ; a car who deliberately speeds up in the overtaking lane because you look like you are about to move out.

Jumpy

Its a reportable offense. Classified as dangerous driving. It wasnt until she beeped though, it proves it was being done maliciously.

Victor Meldrew

Seinas wrote:

ohh btw, it wasnt like she was a girl racer, she was a middle aged woman in a saloon... it may have been a Mazda 626

Ah yes,

The demographic that never let you out and demand to be up front. Probably the most inconsiderate group of road users after boy racers.

C_Breeze

Seinas wrote:

last night I was driving to Killarney... on a wide stretch of road there was a car in front of me, a van, and another car. The speed limit being 100km, the car at the very front was doing about 75km. The car directly in front, a Primera, overtook the van and the car. Checking that it was clear, i overtook the van with ease and then when i reached the car, the b!tch started speeding up, and she continued to speed up. It seemed like forever, she just wouldnt let me overtake, at one stage she beeped her horn at me, and then what came in the other direction?? yep, traffic!! i really panicked.. but because mine is more powerful than her car i slipped back in just in time.... it really scared the crap outta me... learner driver experience i suppose!

why do people do this???

ohh btw, it wasnt like she was a girl racer, she was a middle aged woman in a saloon... it may have been a Mazda 626

I think its great when that happens

I love it when you are regularly overtaking and then try to speed up in an "ill show you who's who" type of manner, then i just drop a gear and im gooone ... along with a flipping of the bird out the window at their pittyfull attempt at being cool.

If your gonna try do that to inconvenience me and try and prove how great and macho you are please at least get your self something more powerfull than a 1.4 corrola

gyppo

Jumpy wrote:

Its a reportable offense. Classified as dangerous driving. It wasnt until she beeped though, it proves it was being done maliciously.

True, unfortunately, unless you have an independant witness, its their word against yours.

Jumpy

gyppo wrote:

True, unfortunately, unless you have an independant witness, its their word against yours.

Which is sufficient for a warning from Trafficwatch. Pointless taking it to court, but the Gardai will follow up and caution. I have done this recently.

dodgyme

lightening wrote:

They are the same ones who wont merge in traffic, the velcro themselves to the car in front and beep at anyone trying to merge properly.

Mad your right! they are the same ones. That type of merging is called the zip system in germany. Come to ireland and its called the I'ill push in front of you system.

lightening

C_Breeze wrote:

then i just drop a gear and im gooone ...

What do you drive?

Anan1

C_Breeze wrote:

I think its great when that happens

I love it when you are regularly overtaking and then try to speed up in an "ill show you who's who" type of manner, then i just drop a gear and im gooone ... along with a flipping of the bird out the window at their pittyfull attempt at being cool.

If your gonna try do that to inconvenience me and try and prove how great and macho you are please at least get your self something more powerfull than a 1.4 corrola

Why would you need to drop a gear mid-maneouvre? If you were overtaking correctly, you would already be in the correct gear for maximum acceleration.

Anan1

lightening wrote:

What do you drive?

A Hot Air Turbo S.;)

Stark

is_that_so wrote:

I come across this regularly on the M1 and that other carry-on ; a car who deliberately speeds up in the overtaking lane because you look like you are about to move out.

And despite being about a mile behind you in the overtaking lane, still flash you with the kind of finger flicking action that you only develop from long frustrated nights of masturbation.

Kojak

That bugs me no end - I dont see why some people cant let others out when they would onviously be going faster than them.

I remember when I was in school, we would always have to overtake a lad who was doing 40mph (until he saw a car behind him) - then he would shoot up to 60 mh :mad:

Vegeta

This and people who pull into the overtaking/climbing lane but do under the limit are 2 of my pet peeves while driving

CarrickD

lightening wrote:

Yeah, I have come accross that lots and lots of times. Middle aged men in big saloons usually. Its the "I'm not letting this f*cker in front of me" attitude. They are the same ones who wont merge in traffic, the velcro themselves to the car in front and beep at anyone trying to merge properly. Younger male drivers and modified car owners seem to be the best, they always know how to merge and act when being overtaken.

I've seen this a lot in the last couple of years especially, but in my case 9 out of ten times it is a 25 year+ woman behind the wheel. I was begining to think that they never use mirrors, wear blinkers, or something, but now I think its a bit more malicious than that.

r3nu4l

C_Breeze wrote:

I think its great when that happens

I love it when you are regularly overtaking and then try to speed up in an "ill show you who's who" type of manner, then i just drop a gear and im gooone ... along with a flipping of the bird out the window at their pittyfull attempt at being cool.

If your gonna try do that to inconvenience me and try and prove how great and macho you are please at least get your self something more powerfull than a 1.4 corrola

Says the macho guy flipping the bird in his big car

Interestingly, I remember seeing a guy do exactly as you describe on the N7 a few years ago. Flipping the bird to the car he had just overtaken. Then the guy who had been overtaken suddenly started flashing blue lights and a siren began wailing Unmarked car. Brilliant. The look on Mr "Flip the bird" face as I passed him by when he pulled in was classic. Wasn't you C Breeze was it?

lightening

When did giving the finger become "flipping the bird" in Ireland?

TomMc

Yes, this is risky if one is stuck behind someone for a while and so travelling at similar speeds, before making an overtaking manoeuvre, without getting a run at same. Overtaking in a petrol engined car, can result in real danger if the speeder upper is in a turbo-diesel and decides to make life difficult. It is infantile and persons concerned deserve a good telling off, and so hopefully cop themselves on.

What pi$$es me off most is those types in a shopping centre car park who try and block you from passing by (albeit because it is a one-way lane and you have been forced that way by some inconsiderates parking angle) even though you could get two buses through it easily. Live and let live !

C_Breeze

lightening wrote:

Yeah, I have come accross that lots and lots of times. Middle aged men in big saloons usually. Its the "I'm not letting this f*cker in front of me" attitude. They are the same ones who wont merge in traffic, the velcro themselves to the car in front and beep at anyone trying to merge properly. Younger male drivers and modified car owners seem to be the best, they always know how to merge and act when being overtaken.

Oh that really boils my blood when people do that, WHY!!!!!!????? :mad:

Anan1, I dont see how i should be at maximum accleration and hockey my car to overtake somebody when I feel i can do it just as safely in 4th gear at 4000rpm as oppsoed to 3rd gear 8000rpm

Renual , no that wasnt me , but funny story nonetheless.

Edit: why would he have stuck his finger out of the window to the uknown guards if they werent trying to speed up or play games as he was overtaking?? .."flipping the bird" as you are overatkingwhile unprovoked is just stupid imo



I wouldnt do that, unless the person i was trying to overtake tries to be smart and speed up.

py2006

Something similar happened to me on the M50 recently. I was trying to move out onto the overtaking lane. I had plenty of room and I had my indicator on earlier. I slowly moved out but as soon as my tyres touched the middle of the road the car behind (already on overtaking lane) increased their speed which forced me to move back into the lane.

When the car came up beside up this middle-aged woman gave me the dirtiest look. It was like "How dare you try and skip the queue" attitude!

I hate to sound sexist but this kind of behaviour seems to come from women more so than men!

rom

py2006 wrote:

Something similar happened to me on the M50 recently. I was trying to move out onto the overtaking lane. I had plenty of room and I had my indicator on earlier. I slowly moved out but as soon as my tyres touched the middle of the road the car behind (already on overtaking lane) increased their speed which forced me to move back into the lane.

When the car came up beside up this middle-aged woman gave me the dirtiest look. It was like "How dare you try and skip the queue" attitude!

I hate to sound sexist but this kind of behaviour seems to come from women more so than men!

Your not it is true. If there is traffic backed up most women drivers won't let you out. My gf won't let anyone out. Most don't tbh. They generally don't drive as fast so cause less accidents. I am not of the opinion of either sex is "better" drivers but if slower is better which it is in most cases then they are.

Now getting bac to the overtaking. I am going to the Cork Waterford game on Sunday and like every other game I go to there will be trails of traffic 40 - 50 cars long and you get these fools that still pass out. What is the point there. All cars are traveling at 60 and there are 15-20 cars in front of you. You gonna gain nothing because you are not going to be able to pass all of them out and chances are there is another q of cars in front of them. I just dont understand it. Fair enough if there is open road 4 or 5 cars ahead and the front car is doing a bit less than the speed limit.

If you drive in the UK and come to a busy junction it will be every 2nd car from each side that goes. That never happens here. There is no politeness on the road and I am sorry to say that women are the worst ofenders to that just like men are the worst at excessive speeding. Total generalization but that is from my experiences.

lightening

C_Breeze wrote:

Oh that really boils my blood when people do that, WHY!!!!!!????? :mad:

Regarding the "not letting people merge" thing, they honestly think you are "skipping the Q" they learned to drive when there was no traffic, no roundabouts and have had company cars.

I have an uncle who geuninely will not let anyone get in front of him. He is a nice enough fella, but in a car he has no manners and is really badly road educated, if a car tries to pull out from a road in front of him, he will speed up and sound the horn and flash the lights.

_feedback_

C_Breeze wrote:

I think its great when that happens

I love it when you are regularly overtaking and then try to speed up in an "ill show you who's who" type of manner, then i just drop a gear and im gooone ... along with a flipping of the bird out the window at their pittyfull attempt at being cool.

You'd be better off keeping both your hands on the wheel and your eyes on the road.

rom

lightening wrote:

Regarding the "not letting people merge" thing, they honestly think you are "skipping the Q" they learned to drive when there was no traffic, no roundabouts and have had company cars.

I have an uncle who geuninely will not let anyone get in front of him. He is a nice enough fella, but in a car he has no manners and is really badly road educated, if a car tries to pull out from a road in front of him, he will speed up and sound the horn and flash the lights.

Like my father he probably just went down and bought a licience instead of passing a test. not that the test teaches you any road manners.

dodgyme

py2006 wrote:

Something similar happened to me on the M50 recently.!

Did you not know that the M50 isnt covered by the law. Its jungle law there matey. dog eat dog.

lightening

rom wrote:

not that the test teaches you any road manners.

True, but a retest would teach them about merging and the like...

Anan1

C_Breeze wrote:

Anan1, I dont see how i should be at maximum accleration and hockey my car to overtake somebody when I feel i can do it just as safely in 4th gear at 4000rpm as oppsoed to 3rd gear 8000rpm.

Firstly, 4000rpm in 4th does not equate to 8000rpm in 3rd at the same speed on any road car I have ever heard of.

Secondly, overtaking is by its very nature dangerous. It should therefore be concluded as swiftly as possible, in order to minimise time spent on the wrong side of the road. Needless to say, this does not mean floating past in the wrong gear, gesturing obscenely at the drivers of other cars.

To be honest, i'm finding it hard to square your ignorance of the basics of either overtaking or apparently even manual gearboxes with your professed expertise as a driver.

Stark

py2006 wrote:

Something similar happened to me on the M50 recently. I was trying to move out onto the overtaking lane. I had plenty of room and I had my indicator on earlier. I slowly moved out but as soon as my tyres touched the middle of the road the car behind (already on overtaking lane) increased their speed which forced me to move back into the lane.

When the car came up beside up this middle-aged woman gave me the dirtiest look. It was like "How dare you try and skip the queue" attitude!

I hate to sound sexist but this kind of behaviour seems to come from women more so than men!

Pulled out in front of a woman about 2 months ago soon after entering the motorway on the southern part of the M50 where the road is good and the traffic tends to be easy. She went mad flashing her lights and beeping. I overtook the cars I wanted to overtake anyway and left her miles behind as she was only doing about 90kph I reckon. Some time later there was a queue for my exit, so I was stuck in the sliproad for 2 to 3 mins. I saw her coming up in my rear mirror with a van up her ass (still in the overtaking lane). She saw me and again started hammering on her horn and mouthing off at me. Van driver must have thought she was insane

Anan1

Stark wrote:

Pulled out in front of a woman about 2 months ago soon after entering the motorway on the southern part of the M50 where the road is good and the traffic tends to be easy. She went mad flashing her lights and beeping. I overtook the cars I wanted to overtake anyway and left her miles behind as she was only doing about 90kph I reckon. Some time later there was a queue for my exit, so I was stuck in the sliproad for 2 to 3 mins. I saw her coming up in my rear mirror with a van up her ass (still in the overtaking lane). She saw me and again started hammering on her horn. Van driver must have thought she was insane

I often wonder when I see things like that how they would explain themselves to a Guard if they were pulled.

dodgyme

rom wrote:

Like my father he probably just went down and bought a licience instead of passing a test. not that the test teaches you any road manners.

My father was asked what licence he wanted. He said 'give me the lot'. I am not joking. Then again where I am from we all learnt how to drive without tax insurance or licences. And I dont need the list of complants about this, its just the way this country was. Things have changed for the better here. Both of these situations are no longer.

peasant

DDS

Dozy Driver Syndrome

1) trundle along regardless, oblivious to the queue of traffic behind you
2) finally get overtaken by someone
3) realise that you could go just that little bit faster yourself
4) accelerate without paying any further attention to your surroundings
5) continue in oblivion
6) finally realise the soemeone else is trying to overtake you when they appear next to you
7) muster self righteous rage, how dare he overtake, aren't you near the limit?
8) throw menacing glance
9) beep horn
10) continue to trundle along regardless, continously losing speed until the whole thing starts again.

Anan1

dodgyme wrote:

My father was asked what licence he wanted. He said 'give me the lot'. I am not joking. Then again where I am from we all learnt how to drive without tax insurance or licences. And I dont need the list of complants about this, its just the way this country was. Things have changed for the better here. Both of these situations are no longer.

My father learnt to drive in a friend's Beetle. The friend explained which pedal did what, etc. My father then drove around and around St Stephens Green until he got it right.

dodgyme

Anan1 wrote:

My father learnt to drive in a friend's Beetle. The friend explained which pedal did what, etc. My father then drove around and around St Stephens Green until he got it right.

that very funny, but typical. I remember always being careful driving since if anything happened the car, my father would kill me for not being more careful until I could drive properly! and got a licence and insurance etc.?? Its a wonder our generation turned out as well as we did.

_feedback_

Anan1 wrote:

My father learnt to drive in a friend's Beetle. The friend explained which pedal did what, etc. My father then drove around and around St Stephens Green until he got it right.

like to see him trying it today !!

Was the same with my dad ... he got a job at 16 driving a van delivering groceries around his area. He had no van and didn't know how to drive.

They gave him a van and left him to figure it out!

Stark

elviscostello wrote:

like to see him trying it today !!

The hard part is getting off that loop round St. Stephen's Green

C_Breeze

Anan1 wrote:

Firstly, 4000rpm in 4th does not equate to 8000rpm in 3rd at the same speed on any road car I have ever heard of.

Secondly, overtaking is by its very nature dangerous. It should therefore be concluded as swiftly as possible, in order to minimise time spent on the wrong side of the road. Needless to say, this does not mean floating past in the wrong gear, gesturing obscenely at the drivers of other cars.

To be honest, i'm finding it hard to square your ignorance of the basics of either overtaking or apparently even manual gearboxes with your professed expertise as a driver.

you dont like me , do you

Anan1

C_Breeze wrote:

you dont like me , do you

For all I know, you could be the nicest guy in the world. It's not you, it's your posts.;)

cold_filter

I hate those f**kers, i drive to galway and mayo from dublin at least once a month. Especialy on the way to mayo some of the roads are windy and you get much chance to overtake. A couple of months ago i was driving down and came to a stright stretch same maybe 1.5 km long and the car on front, a bora 1.6 was doing about 80 which was fine while the roads were bendy, but when the road straightened up SHE didnt speed up so i pulled out and hit the gas, i pretty much went by her... and had indicated and began pulling in when she accelerated which made me hit the gas to get a ahead, then she proceeded to try and overtake me, i have a 1.8 so i pretty much kept ahead of her all the way

Wossack

cold_filter wrote:

I hate those f**kers, i drive to galway and mayo from dublin at least once a month. Especialy on the way to mayo some of the roads are windy and you get much chance to overtake. A couple of months ago i was driving down and came to a stright stretch same maybe 1.5 km long and the car on front, a bora 1.6 was doing about 80 which was fine while the roads were bendy, but when the road straightened up SHE didnt speed up so i pulled out and hit the gas, i pretty much went by her... and had indicated and began pulling in when she accelerated which made me hit the gas to get a ahead, then she proceeded to try and overtake me, i have a 1.8 so i pretty much kept ahead of her all the way

rofl, so you sped up to stop her overtaking back?

yayamark

I don't think i've ever laughed so much reading these posts. Absoloutely hilarous

Anywhays, I was driving from Limerick to Dublin last Monday. I t was about 8pm on the M7 going thru Kildare. I was moving on about 110km. Not much traffic on the road so i remember overtaking a 96/97 dark mondeo. about 5 minutes later i saw this dark car coming at speed on the overtaking lane. i was thinking his is a sports car or the cops. It was yer man in the Mondeo doing about 150km (a guess). i was thinking dam hes in a rush all of a sudden.

So i maintain the speed hat im doin and i come accross the Mondeo again doin about 90km. i overtake him again and guess what he drives up again doin abot 150km.

This occurs anout 5 times before we get to the end of the M7

What was he at doin 90km for so long and then stupid speeds of 150km.?

On my way down the day after as i was coming off the M7 before Mountrath i think. I was about toovertake a car. I saw the sign that said MOTORWAY End 2KM
As i was about to pass the car the ****er pulled over in front of me. My ****in heart nearly jumped out. You couldn't believe my the fright i got.:eek:

So i stood on the brakes and had to swerve into the left. i actually had to undertake the ****er to get past him. i Know that wasn't the best decision of my life.

Then the ****er beeps and flashes his lights at me. Wtf


Man that M7 can be scary :eek:

rom

dodgyme wrote:

My father was asked what licence he wanted. He said 'give me the lot'. I am not joking. Then again where I am from we all learnt how to drive without tax insurance or licences. And I dont need the list of complants about this, its just the way this country was. Things have changed for the better here. Both of these situations are no longer.

My father the same. Now he drives a bus part time

rowanh

Anan1 wrote:

Firstly, 4000rpm in 4th does not equate to 8000rpm in 3rd at the same speed on any road car I have ever heard of.

Secondly, overtaking is by its very nature dangerous. It should therefore be concluded as swiftly as possible, in order to minimise time spent on the wrong side of the road. Needless to say, this does not mean floating past in the wrong gear, gesturing obscenely at the drivers of other cars.

To be honest, i'm finding it hard to square your ignorance of the basics of either overtaking or apparently even manual gearboxes with your professed expertise as a driver.

Does he not very obviously mean he would normally overtake at 4000 revs in 4th gear but then if he wanted to accelerate much harder as the person is speeding up while he is trying to overtake them go down to third where the car would then be at 8000 revs and therfore have more power? That is what i got from it, seesm to me you are the one who does not know how a gearbox works though maybe i misunderstood something?

daedalus2097

rowanh wrote:

Does he not very obviously mean he would normally overtake at 4000 revs in 4th gear but then if he wanted to accelerate much harder as the person is speeding up while he is trying to overtake them go down to third where the car would then be at 8000 revs and therfore have more power? That is what i got from it, seesm to me you are the one who does not know how a gearbox works though maybe i misunderstood something?

I think he may have picked the 8000rpm figure out of his head... Which is surprising, seeing as he's a self-proclaimed expert when it comes to driving. I'd imagine there's not so much of a difference between his 3rd and 4th gears that would allow double the engine speed, and that if his engine was even capable of 8000 RPM, it'd be well past its peak power by then...

C_Breeze

daedalus2097 wrote:

I think he may have picked the 8000rpm figure out of his head... Which is surprising, seeing as he's a self-proclaimed expert when it comes to driving. I'd imagine there's not so much of a difference between his 3rd and 4th gears that would allow double the engine speed, and that if his engine was even capable of 8000 RPM, it'd be well past its peak power by then...

Cheeky Punk.

1 Yes you are correct, i did pick 8000rpm out of my head, to emphasise the fact that why should i have to drop a gear and have my revs fly up significantly (It will not rise to 8000rpm from downshifting at 4000rpm but that was just to emphasise my revs shooting up and working the nuts out of my engine when i feel there is no need for it, it would perhaps rise to circa 6000rpm though) when my maneouvre is perfectly safe until the other twat starts accelerating!

2 my car revs well past 8000RPM (DOHC VTEC) and no it will not be way past its peak power by then.