Gold Mine - iPoker Edition (handgrabber / dataminer for the iPoker network)

Mr. Flibble

Now available.
For iPoker players who use Poker Tracker. This tool allows you to gather statistics on players without actually sitting at a table and playing with them. Gold Mine grabs the hands from the iPoker client of any window you have open and stores them on your computer ready for Poker Tracker to import.

www.gold-mine-poker.com

luckylucky

Just downloaded and tried to install the demo and am getting an error message .... Goldmine.exe is not a valid Win32 application.

breadmonkey

Gold Mine sends the hand histories you mine to our servers. This data is sent anonymously; the hand histories we receive cannot be linked to the user who mines them.

Your going to have some database to work with. Nice:)

luckylucky

breadmonkey wrote:

Your going to have some database to work with. Nice:)

Is this what it does then mr.F, it is slightly off-putting tbh if it does?

I got the application to install ok btw, for some reason the first few times I downloaded it it didn't download fully.

jacQues

luckylucky wrote:

Is this what it does then mr.F, it is slightly off-putting tbh if it does?

As the sole programmer of Gold Mine I can assure you that this is not (yet) the case. From version 2.1 the plan is to have two versions; one that uploads (slightly cheaper) and one that doesn't upload (as version 2.0).

Edit: I've been told that the current version 2.0 is priced at the low opt-in version that uploads HHs. So until version 2.1 comes out ye get a nice discount. Once version 2.1 is out the subscription code can be used with the opt-in version. At that point you can upgrade to the opt-out version that doesn't upload HHs if you want.

luckylucky wrote:

I got the application to install ok btw, for some reason the first few times I downloaded it it didn't download fully.

Alternative download link: http://www.imperium.be/GoldMine20.exe

jacQues

Mr. Flibble

luckylucky wrote:

Just downloaded and tried to install the demo and am getting an error message .... Goldmine.exe is not a valid Win32 application.

What version of windows are you using?

luckylucky wrote:

Is this what it does then mr.F, it is slightly off-putting tbh if it does?

It is. A version which doesn't send hands back to the server is available for those put-off.

The uploading of hands is given a low priority when mining. We ensure that if you have a slow connection or are mining a lot of tables that your mining isn't interfered with. And as jacQues says, this functionality isn't implemented yet.

luckylucky

Mr. Flibble wrote:

What version of windows are you using?

Xp. Anyway as I said in the last post it hadn't downloaded fully the first few times I tried. I closed a few apps and it worked, could have just been something to do with my system, I've installed it and the demo worked fine.

Mr. Flibble wrote:

It is. A version which doesn't send hands back to the server is available for those put-off.

The uploading of hands is given a low priority when mining. We ensure that if you have a slow connection or are mining a lot of tables that your mining isn't interfered with. And as jacQues says, this functionality isn't implemented yet.

Just thinking about it a bit more, I suppose it's not a huge big deal for the individual user, can imagine it'd be highly beneficial to you guys though, but fair play for using your know how I suppose.

peeko

sent you some money flibble, send me a key

luckylucky

On the subject of datamining do you reckon it makes more sense to have a seperate pt database for mined hands so as not to clog up your usual database?

mewso

Mr. Flibble wrote:

The uploading of hands is given a low priority when mining. We ensure that if you have a slow connection or are mining a lot of tables that your mining isn't interfered with. And as jacQues says, this functionality isn't implemented yet.

I don't think this would be folks concern Fibble. It's more to do with you getting your hands on HH and building a huge database which you could feasibly use. I thought about this myself when I did the hand converter. People might not actually realise that when they use the hand converter they are uploading the file to talking-poker. Once finished with I delete these files. Maybe it's a case of more fool me but I would expect blue murder if I kept these files. Hmmm maybe I should keep them

ianmc38

Where was this part of the functionality advertised. IMO it's ridiculous.

Mr. Flibble

ianmc38 wrote:

Where was this part of the functionality advertised. IMO it's ridiculous.

Main page. I think its brilliant

ianmc38

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Main page. I think its brilliant

Can you explain the reason for adding that functionality into the dataminer?

Mr. Flibble

The plan is to offer people pre-mined hands in the future. As Gold Mine doesn't yet upload the hands this service won't be available for a while.

David Michael

musician wrote:

I don't think this would be folks concern Fibble. It's more to do with you getting your hands on HH and building a huge database which you could feasibly use. I thought about this myself when I did the hand converter. People might not actually realise that when they use the hand converter they are uploading the file to talking-poker. Once finished with I delete these files. Maybe it's a case of more fool me but I would expect blue murder if I kept these files. Hmmm maybe I should keep them

In all honesty I thought you were doing that. Very honourable of you not to.

phantom_lord

i wonder if that's one of the reasons fuzz never converts his hands.

Washout

my issue is that you are building a huge DB which you
then sell on to the masses.

where is the assurances that what is been uploaded is done so anon.

if ppl using goldmine are datamining tables where i am playing then my plays are no longer anon as i presume only the person running your tool is anonymous upon time of upload.

IM not loving this at all

Macspower

peeko wrote:

sent you some money flibble, send me a key

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ianmc38

Mr. Flibble wrote:

The plan is to offer people pre-mined hands in the future. As Gold Mine doesn't yet upload the hands this service won't be available for a while.

tbh i have a problem with that and it would definitely change my mind on whetehr or not i purschase the software.

Mr. Flibble

Washout wrote:

where is the assurances that what is been uploaded is done so anon.

gold-mine-poker.com/index.html

Washout wrote:

if ppl using goldmine are datamining tables where i am playing then my plays are no longer anon as i presume only the person running your tool is anonymous upon time of upload.

I don't understand. The person uploading hands to the servers do so anonymously. The players at the tables being datamined have their screen names recorded. This is the point of datamining.

ianmc38 wrote:

tbh i have a problem with that and it would definitely change my mind on whetehr or not i purschase the software.

It is your choice.
Note:
- a version is available that doesn't upload hands.
- this service (offering premined hands) is already available for all other major networks in one form or another and is nothing new.

FullOf..IT

Is there any way of stopping the tables jumping to the front while im doing something else on my pc?

jacQues

FullOf..IT wrote:

Is there any way of stopping the tables jumping to the front while im doing something else on my pc?

Yes, press the <Pause> key on your keyboard. Gold Mine will halt execution. Then you can unpause by pressing the <Pause> key again. Gold Mine will resume mining immediately.

jacQues
(non-stop hamster)

Mr. Flibble

FullOf..IT wrote:

Is there any way of stopping the tables jumping to the front while im doing something else on my pc?

You can press the pause key on your keyboard to stop it temporarily when you need to do something. Then when you press pause again to start it it will read any hands which are in the dealer window so you don't miss any hands even though it is paused.

--Beaten by seconds!--

jacQues

Mr. Flibble wrote:

--Beaten by seconds!--

jacQues
(fast hamster)

Macspower

using it now for 2 days.. excellent peice of software.... 10k hands imported already.....

really couldn't care what you do with the HH's once it helps me..

Mac

Mr. Flibble

Excellent. Thanks for the feedback. Its nigh impossible to know how much use people get out of it without being told.

TheRock

Interested in getting this, but I want to use is for noble poker.

I see on the website it say

The following clients have been tested with Gold Mine:

Carlos Poker
Green Joker Poker
Paddy Power Poker

If you are experiencing problems we suggest using a one of the above. We cannot guarantee compatibility with other clients.

Should I have any problems with Noble?
Any way of checking in advance?

Mr. Flibble

TheRock wrote:

Should I have any problems with Noble?
Any way of checking in advance?

It works with Noble when the tables are made small. Or can open accounts for free on any of the fully compatible networks and use it just for mining.

hotspur

I was wondering is there much of a market for these kinds of software Fibble? And for datamined hands? I've never paid any attention to their existence for other networks. I'm just curious. And well done to yourself and Jacques for creating something useful.

Mr. Flibble

hotspur wrote:

I was wondering is there much of a market for these kinds of software Fibble? And for datamined hands? I've never paid any attention to their existence for other networks. I'm just curious. And well done to yourself and Jacques for creating something useful.

It doesn't seem huge and I wouldn't quit my day job for it. But like low stakes poker, its a nice hobby.

Macspower

have a friend who plays on noiqpoker another skin... will buy the software if it works there? if not i'll suggest he download one that does for datamining..

Mac

Mr. Flibble

It will be safest for him to try out the demo. If that works he will have no problems with the full version.

Macspower wrote:

have a friend who plays on noiqpoker another skin... will buy the software if it works there? if not i'll suggest he download one that does for datamining..

Mac

luckylucky

I had it running this morning for a couple of hours over 8 tables, this is the first time I've left it running for a good length of time and over so many tables. After about an hour it didn't mine any further hands. I had paused it on a couple of occasions. I then left it for another hour or so just to see if it would kick off again but it didn't.

Any ideas? Could it be due to it not being able to cope for so long with that many tables, or perhaps down to the number of pauses?

Mr. Flibble

pm sent luckylucky.

EasterIsland

Mr Flibble,

Do you not feel that extensive datamined databases, such as this one, are one the key requirements in creating successful NL bots, which would ruin the game.... ie. killing the goose that lays the golden egg!!!

In my opinion there is a huge difference between an individual doing limited datamining compared to the size of database that will be developed by multiple users uploading their hands with Gold Mine.

Are ye putting short term profit over long term gain??
Should poker sites allow users to change their usernames at a regular interval to combat this??

Just curious on your thoughts,

Cheers

Mr. Flibble

EasterIsland wrote:

Do you not feel that extensive datamined databases, such as this one, are one the key requirements in creating successful NL bots, which would ruin the game.... ie. killing the goose that lays the golden egg!!!

Without having thought about it too much, I think a database is no more useful to a bot that to players.
If I managed to ruin all online poker by selling hands to bot owners (which I have no intention of doing) I would have to be stupid no to become rich in the process.

EasterIsland wrote:

In my opinion there is a huge difference between an individual doing limited datamining compared to the size of database that will be developed by multiple users uploading their hands with Gold Mine.
Are ye putting short term profit over long term gain??

No. But I would sell up now for €1M.

EasterIsland wrote:

Should poker sites allow users to change their usernames at a regular interval to combat this??

No. This would take away a hugely important element of the game - referring to past experiences to defeat your opponent. If they wanted to combat the use of tools/bots they should do this by making it difficult for programs to interact with their programs (no HHs, no text dealer window, variable button placement/fonts etc). I think if they did this they would lose a lot of players who use PT/PO etc. Some poker rooms go out of their way to make their software PT friendly (or at least make them compatible with a bit of work).