Gaining poundage doing weights

yop

Guys,
I have a strange question as regards weights and the fact I am gaining weight!!

Started back end of last Feb doing weights again.

Before this my regime wud have been:
cycling (30 mins 2 times per week),
astro turf (1 hour),
running (20-30mins twice per week)

I weighed in around 15 stone 2lbs. I did a full measure of chest arms, legs, gut, waist back in feb.

I then started my weight. I have a bar and bench so am limited enough as to what I do.
But the program is roughly, depending if I was training that day or not,
Bench press started off with 20kg on the bar, think the bar is about 10kg itself - 5 sets of 10
Prechers curl- 20kg - 5 sets of 15
"The Pull" - this is where I use the curl at the end of the bench, standing and pull up towards me. - 20kg - 5 sets of 15
Leg Curl, sitting on bench and push up the curl extension - 20kg - 5 kg of 15
20 situps - 5 sets

I average this to about 4-5 times per week

Now since then the weights have increased.
Bench - twice per week - 65kg - 5 sets of 8 , twice per week - 30kg - 5 sets of 20
Prechers curl- 40kg - 5 sets of 30
"The Pull" - 40kg - 5 sets of 30
Leg Curl - 40kg - 5 sets of 30

45 Situps - 5 sets.

Aerobic - I run for 30 minutes Monday, Wed.
Soccer training - Tues + Thurs
Soccer match - either Sat or Sunday
Friday - Tennis

Now what is weird is that my weight is now at 15st 11lbs!!! I eat salads for lunch 5 days a week, porridge for breakfast, fruit at 11am & 4pm. Drink about 3 litres of water but yet the weight has flown up!!!

So do ye think they weights have done this to me?

Hanley

Probably.

Is that such a bad thing tho? Do you look fatter and less muscular than you used to?

yop

In measurements my arms have gained 30cm, my gut and waist have gone down about 20cm and leg have gained xcm also but I suppose in my own mind more weight on the scales = more fat boy!!

I just did not expect to gain 9lbs!

Degsy

yop wrote:

In measurements my arms have gained 30cm, my gut and waist have gone down about 20cm and leg have gained xcm also but I suppose in my own mind more weight on the scales = more fat boy!!

I just did not expect to gain 9lbs!

You've gained 30 cm on your arms?That must be some sort of record!

Hanley

yop wrote:

In measurements my arms have gained 30cm, my gut and waist have gone down about 20cm and leg have gained xcm also but I suppose in my own mind more weight on the scales = more fat boy!!

I just did not expect to gain 9lbs!

20cm = 2cm?????

Hey, your waist's down and your guns are up. That's what we all strive for, what you're doing is working, so quit complaining!!

yop

I thought I actaully responded to this thread again, but it seems to have disappered!! Boards ghosts!!

Sorry that should have been MM not CM!!!

I will have to keep going Hanley, hoping the weight eventually decides to come off though and not keep increasing, thanks

PeakOutput

yop wrote:

I will have to keep going Hanley, hoping the weight eventually decides to come off though and not keep increasing, thanks

muscle is heavier than fat so if you keep gaining muscle and losing fat (at roughly the same rate) your weight will increase but as people here will tel you weight means nothing its what makes up that weight that matters.........if its fat your in trouble if its muscle your grand

cowzerp

Your eating more calories than you should be ,as seen as your goal is to lose weight-there is no point in me beating around the bush, it takes more calories than you need to gain fat or muscle so basically your eating more calories than your burning-drop the calories but keep the protein up, this way you will maintain your muscle and drop the fat and weight.

yop wrote:

Guys,
Now what is weird is that my weight is now at 15st 11lbs!!! I eat salads for lunch 5 days a week, porridge for breakfast, fruit at 11am & 4pm. Drink about 3 litres of water but yet the weight has flown up!!!

and with this diet your not gaining any muscle-wheres the protein? i think you need to write down what your really eating as this is not right.sorry for been so blunt but this will only help you.

PeakOutput wrote:

muscle is heavier than fat

This statement is stupid and means nothing and i wish it went in the bin where it belongs! its the excuse of fat people who want to believe there doing things right. i lift heavy all the time and diet and lose fat and weight while maintaining muscle mass-its simple

Hanley

cowzerp wrote:

This statement is stupid and means nothing and i wish it went in the bin where it belongs! its the excuse of fat people who want to believe there doing things right. i lift heavy all the time and diet and lose fat and weight while maintaining muscle mass-its simple

Haha yeah, I was jsut thinking, how can 1lb of muscle weight more than 1lb of fat?

PeakOutput

Hanley wrote:

Haha yeah, I was jsut thinking, how can 1lb of muscle weight more than 1lb of fat?

is muscle not denser than fat tho and therefore heavier????

i was told as if it was fact that muscle is 4 times heavier than fat ie if you have an inch squared of muscle and an inch squared of fat the piece of muscle will weigh 4 times heavier than the piece of fat

i would like to know for definite weather thats true or not

PeakOutput

cowzerp wrote:

This statement is stupid and means nothing and i wish it went in the bin where it belongs! its the excuse of fat people who want to believe there doing things right. i lift heavy all the time and diet and lose fat and weight while maintaining muscle mass-its simple

im not trying to argue with you as im sure you know what your talking about but is the point not that you are maintaining your muscle mass and therefore not adding weight by gaining muscle whereas because he is new to it he is putting on new muscle and therefore adding weight??

ali.c

PeakOutput wrote:

is muscle not denser than fat tho and therefore heavier????

i was told as if it was fact that muscle is 4 times heavier than fat ie if you have an inch squared of muscle and an inch squared of fat the piece of muscle will weigh 4 times heavier than the piece of fat

i would like to know for definite weather thats true or not

Yeah that is true, i have a number of reputable sources that say so anyways i'll can ref them for you but it ll be tommorrow as i need to sleep. Honestly body composition is more important that weight IMO, i would rather weight more and look lean and athletic than weight less and look fat TBH and i think most people would too.

Smellyirishman

PeakOutput wrote:

is muscle not denser than fat tho and therefore heavier????

Yes, it is denser. It's just a pendantic grammar thing with the use of "heavier" (and before you get on my case, I'm a pedant!).

For example, if you have 1 foot cubed of fat and 1 inch cubed of muscle, fat is now the "heavier" of the substances. Given equal mass, muscle is heavier.

PeakOutput

ok, so i dont understand what was stupid about what i said in that case

Hanley

To say that 1lb of substance X weighs more than 1lb of substance Y is jsut false.

The mass of substance X may be larger than that of substance Y, thus given the same amount of mass of X and Y, Y would be "heavier".

I hope I said all the right things there.

PeakOutput

Hanley wrote:

To say that 1lb of substance X weighs more than 1lb of substance Y is jsut false.

obviously.....

its like which is heavier?? a tonne of bricks or a tonne of feathers.........but thats not what we are talking about and im pretty sure i did not say that 1lb of fat is heavier than 1lb of muscle or vice versa


neway this is off topic and its my fault carry on

Hanley

PeakOutput wrote:

obviously.....

its like which is heavier?? a tonne of bricks or a tonne of feathers.........but thats not what we are talking about and im pretty sure i did not say that 1lb of fat is heavier than 1lb of muscle or vice versa

THe statement was "muscle weighs more than fat".

Obviously a qualification such as "given equal masses.. muscle weighs more than fat" would completly iradicate the need for this argument!!

PeakOutput

Obviously a qualification such as "given equal masses.. muscle weighs more than fat" would completly iradicate the need for this argument!!

PeakOutput wrote:

so if you keep gaining muscle and losing fat (at roughly the same rate) your weight will increase

like this one?

PeakOutput wrote:

ie if you have an inch squared of muscle and an inch squared of fat the piece of muscle will weigh 4 times heavier than the piece of fat

and like this one?


ah sorry i just like discussing/debating things

Hanley

PeakOutput wrote:

muscle is heavier than fat so if you keep gaining muscle and losing fat (at roughly the same rate) your weight will increase but as people here will tel you weight means nothing its what makes up that weight that matters.........if its fat your in trouble if its muscle your grand

hmmm.... ^^

You'd need to also say "if you keep gaining muscle and losing fat (at roughly the same rate) your weight will increase provided that you're losing fat and gaining muscle at roughly a 1:1 ratio, volume wise, since given equal volumes muscle weighs more than fat"... so there :P

PeakOutput

Hanley wrote:

hmmm.... ^^

You'd need to also say "if you keep gaining muscle and losing fat (at roughly the same rate) your weight will increase provided that you're losing fat and gaining muscle at roughly a 1:1 ratio, volume wise"... so there :P

not if muscle is 4 times heavier than fat which would mean you could lose fat and gain muscle anywhere from 1:1 to 3.99:1 ratio(volume wise) and still gain weight.....in theory..............we can do this all day

i think the general consensus is the op should not be overly worried as long as he is sure his diet is up to scratch

and with this diet your not gaining any muscle-wheres the protein? i think you need to write down what your really eating as this is not right.sorry for been so blunt but this will only help you.

just wanted to emphasize this for the op in case it got lost in all the waffle

Hanley

PeakOutput wrote:

not if muscle is 4 times heavier than fat which would mean you could lose fat and gain muscle anywhere from 1:1 to 3.99:1 ratio(volume wise) and still gain weight.....in theory..............we can do this all day

i think the general consensus is the op should not be overly worried as long as he is sure his diet is up to scratch



just wanted to emphasize this for the op in case it got lost in all the waffle

Hmm.. debating the use of arbitrary numbers now eh? This where I sign off and go to bed...

nesf

Smellyirishman wrote:

Given equal mass, muscle is heavier.

"Given equal mass" means "given equal weight"*... The term comes from physics.

*for an object on earth


Since you're a pedant I figure you might appreciate the above

Edit: That and "muscle is heavier than fat" actually makes perfect sense. Similar to how "water is heavier than air". The phrase implies that it's the same volume of the two (generally at room temperature) that is being compared from it's colloquial usuage.

Smellyirishman

nesf wrote:

"Given equal mass" means "given equal weight"*... The term comes from physics.

*for an object on earth

Since you're a pedant I figure you might appreciate the above

Oops, silly mistake!

mass -> volume.

nesf wrote:

Edit: That and "muscle is heavier than fat" actually makes perfect sense. Similar to how "water is heavier than air". The phrase implies that it's the same volume of the two (generally at room temperature) that is being compared from it's colloquial usuage.

You're right.

yop

So maybe it is the diet, I wud have thought that I was eating fine but maybe that is the issue.

As I said above in the morning it is 99% of the time porridge made with low fat milk. The odd morning this may deviate to 3 eggs, or wholemeal bread & peanut butter or branflakes.
In about 11 bells I would have fruit, banana, orange, strawberries, grapes or a mix of some of them.

1pm is lunch, consists mainly of green salad, 4 small tomatoes, handful of grated cheese, walnuts, mixed seeds, drizzling of oil or ceasar salad sause, then either tin of tuna, 3 slices of ham or smoked salmon.
The odd time I would have a small cup of soup also.

4pm - again either fruit or yogurt (muller or the Aldi low fat yogurts)

Dinner - Depending on whether or not there is training, dinner is after training or if no training, dinner is before I do my weights.
Can be anything from pasta with chicken, spag bol, lasange, spuds and veg with pork chops or steak.

Then later on can be a case of not eating or if I do weights then cup of tea, or pint of water, mixed fruit bowl or a yogurt.

To me that is healthy but if fairness ye are in the know. I know that if i went to a someone like weight watchers I wud be obese!!

6ft - 15st 11lbs is not a great weight,

daveirl

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yop

daveirl wrote:

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Thanks Dave, I do understand what u are saying. I will keep the cardio up also and see what happens.

nesf

yop wrote:

6ft - 15st 11lbs is not a great weight,

Depends completely on your build mate. For a naturally skinny/scrawny six footer that's very heavy, for a naturally very broad six footer that might be close enough to their ideal weight.

Look in the mirror rather than only the scales and all that.

Money Shot

yop wrote:

So maybe it is the diet, I wud have thought that I was eating fine but maybe that is the issue.

As I said above in the morning it is 99% of the time porridge made with low fat milk. The odd morning this may deviate to 3 eggs, or wholemeal bread & peanut butter or branflakes.
In about 11 bells I would have fruit, banana, orange, strawberries, grapes or a mix of some of them.

1pm is lunch, consists mainly of green salad, 4 small tomatoes, handful of grated cheese, walnuts, mixed seeds, drizzling of oil or ceasar salad sause, then either tin of tuna, 3 slices of ham or smoked salmon.
The odd time I would have a small cup of soup also.

4pm - again either fruit or yogurt (muller or the Aldi low fat yogurts)

Dinner - Depending on whether or not there is training, dinner is after training or if no training, dinner is before I do my weights.
Can be anything from pasta with chicken, spag bol, lasange, spuds and veg with pork chops or steak.

Then later on can be a case of not eating or if I do weights then cup of tea, or pint of water, mixed fruit bowl or a yogurt.

To me that is healthy but if fairness ye are in the know. I know that if i went to a someone like weight watchers I wud be obese!!

6ft - 15st 11lbs is not a great weight,

If your training regularly, It's hard to see how you are gaining much weight on that diet. If anything, for your size, it looks like your not eating enough, but hey, everyone is different. Just keep going - sometimes, it just takes time.

yop

Just as a strange followup to this one and to show how fked up my weight can be, probably applies to most people, but I did a weight in this morning, last one was Sunday morning, in at 15 11lbs

Up on the scale and in at 15 4lbs! So 7lb loss in 4 days! Mental that!!

Training has been:

Monday - weights session for 40 minutes.

Tuesday - 1hr 45 minutes of fairly intensive soccer training, including 5 warm up laps, 5 more laps of "back to front", touch the ground, jump etc.
4 sets of circuits, star jumps, lap, press up, lap, situps, lap, jog on spot, lap

Then a game.

Home and 20 minutes weigts

Wednesday - 20 laps of track, about 45 minutes
Home and did 25 minutes of weights!!

I ate as I usually do, no different!

Its gas really, cannot explain it myself! but just as an odd follow up!