Squatters in Dublin to get millions!

gurramok

Seen this headline in todays paper about a group of squatters on Fingal Council land being paid off using millions of taxpayers money to move on, see attached pics.

Turns out one of the brothers is a convicted criminal serving jail time and faces a huge bill(€1m+) from CAB for criminal activities.

What do people think of this?

connundrum

Down with this sort of thing!

Although, I'm not surprised in the least. State and Semi State bodies need to grow a pair and actually deal with problems like this, tax evasion, false dole claims, false social welfare claims etc :mad:

dame

Squatters should not be given rights over land. They do not own it. They have effectively stolen it.

The county council should have turfed them out long ago, well before they could have claimed any rights to the land.

It's disgraceful that one of the brothers is holding the whole thing up because he's afraid the CAB will take some of his money to pay debts that he owes.

These people should not be getting anything!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Sorry, did I say "his" money, I meant "the" money.

GrumPy

WTF, F*CKING BUMS!!! i HATE THIS CRAP

PHB

I agree with squatters rights, however, I don't think you should be able to sell those rights, which is an interesting quandry.

heyjude

dame wrote:

Squatters should not be given rights over land. They do not own it. They have effectively stolen it.

The county council should have turfed them out long ago, well before they could have claimed any rights to the land.

It's disgraceful that one of the brothers is holding the whole thing up because he's afraid the CAB will take some of his money to pay debts that he owes.

These people should not be getting anything!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: Sorry, did I say "his" money, I meant "the" money.

I agree, it should never have come to this, the county council as it was, when this thing started, should have dealt with it when they first moved in.

They don't own the land, so they shouldn't be paid to vacate it. It just sets a bad example for others to follow.

Maybe rehouse these guys if they actually live on the site, but the newspaper said they were running a business from the site and if that is the case then I don't see why they should be compensated.

Imagine the chaos, if you could just move onto any vacant piece of land, set up a business on it and then have to be paid a huge sum by the rightful landowner, before you will vacate the site.

What's next ? Someone moving onto other publicly owned lands like a national park, the Phoenix Park or even the Curragh ? Why bother buying land to set up a business if you can move onto public land, and then get paid when they want you to leave ?

jesus_thats_gre

I think it is a ****ing disgrace but then again, they have been there 20 years.

AlmightyCushion

It's not there land so why the fúck should they get money for it.

cance

its prícks like this that give knackers a bad name, they should be rounded up and shot.

AlmightyCushion

cance wrote:

its prícks like this that give knackers a bad name, they should be rounded up and shot.

All knackers have a bad name, that's why they are called knackers.

Dave!

They shoulda sent in the riot squad to crack some skulls before it even came to this. F*cking scumbags.

Degsy

That particular bloke and his family are nothing but criminals.I hope he dies roaring in agony.

Binomate

Petrol bombs anyone?

Ruen

The council didnt care about them living on the land for the last 20 years so it's their own fault for leaving them there at all. They have a legitemite claim on the land at this stage as they've been there so long, let them have their money it's just tough sh1t for the council. If the land is worth a few million undeveloped then they'll make it back with extras.

AlmightyCushion

Binomate wrote:

Petrol bombs anyone?

Why don't they put more people like this in charge. A lot more things would get done.:D

thebaz

These guys were were millionaires before this ransom money payout -- its an old traveller tactic, camp on someone elses land , dump loads of waste , and then await a payoff to move on -- the Equality rights and traveller rights organisations , seam quiet on this , but if a violent traveller is deservedly barred from a pub, they are up in arms ... i think equality is going the wrong way

Ruen

Degsy wrote:

That particular bloke and his family are nothing but criminals.I hope he dies roaring in agony.

How do you know that now Degsy?? Why do you want him to die?

Ruen

thebaz wrote:

These guys were were millionaires before this ransom money payout -- its an old traveller tactic, camp on someone elses land , dump loads of waste , and then await a payoff to move on

I dont think they expected a payout to leave a piece of crap
corner in a field in Finglas when they moved onto it over twenty years ago when the last thing anybody expected was anything in that area ever being worth anything.

whippet

they are there 20 years yet they are still travellers !!!

my personal distaste for the travelling community is further compounded.

I can quite honestly say that in my 30 years on this island I have never had a positive experience with a traveller. Yet my views are classified as stereotypical and 'racist'.

I just don't know.

Thomas_S_Hunterson

Scum

crybaby

Pretty sure they have only agreed a payment for one person so far and it certainly isnt the chap in jail

Under the law its now his land in some shape or another so hes within his rights to receive the money, however the fact that the government / Gardai have just allowed Dunsink Lane to disintegrate to the level its at right now is a disgrace, the Gardai are actually scared to go into the place and instead of facing up to it and sorting it out they have just allowed a whole bunch of criminality to take place right under their noses

Ruen

whippet wrote:

they are there 20 years yet they are still travellers !!!

Travellers is their name they dont necessarily have to travel, it's their ethnicity.

thebaz

Ruen wrote:

I dont think they expected a payout to leave a piece of crap
corner in a field in Finglas when they moved onto it over twenty years ago when the last thing anybody expected was anything in that area ever being worth anything.

They were loaded before this incident, so i suppose it was nice to live on some elses land rent free , and save the profits from there booming business . The rest of society are forced to pay rent or buy property , instead of getting paid compensation to move on -- as stated previously this is a known traveller tactic , of getting paid "cash" to move on ! Ah the heart bleeds for the poor things

dame

Ruen wrote:

it's just tough sh1t for the council.

Where do you think the council get their money?
From the rest of us paying taxes.

Zaph

gurramok wrote:

Seen this headline in todays paper about a group of squatters on Fingal Council land being paid off using millions of taxpayers money to move on, see attached pics.

Good to see the Indo is as on the ball as ever, seeing as this was the front page story in yesterday's Sunday Times.

Guy:Incognito

PHB wrote:

I agree with squatters rights.

Why? On what grounds should someone be allowed to enter property/land they dotn own and basically take ownership of it? Those two words (squatters & rights) should never be together in a sentence.

These two wasters should be picked up an dplaced on the path outside the property with all their belongings.

The fatc that knackers are given any land/hous eat all is a disgrace.I dotn see how they should be treated any different to the rest of us. If I pulled a caravan up outside Leinster house and demanded a free house would I be given it or swiftly moved on? My money is on the latter, yet halting sites are being set up all over th ecountry with houses and land for them to destroy.

The same happend on the fonthill road just up from Bawnogue , a knacker moved in years ago on the side of the road, then when time came to expand the road and put in a junction the guy ( who was tradign from the site) refused to move , so the councle built him a house and gave him eland beside where he was (on the grounds he doesnt trade from it, which of course he still is)

Ruen wrote:

The council didnt care about them living on the land for the last 20 years so it's their own fault for leaving them there at all. They have a legitemite claim on the land at this stage as they've been there so long, let them have their money it's just tough sh1t for the council. If the land is worth a few million undeveloped then they'll make it back with extras.

Thats hardly the issue. Why should they have any claim? It's not their land so they should be sent packing.

If you found out you were left a few acres of land worth a few million but when you went out you were told "sorry, these knackers have had their caravans here for 20 years, they own your land now" I asume you'd say "fair enough, carry on" and be on your way, yeah?

Ruen

thebaz wrote:

They were loaded before this incident, so i suppose it was nice to live on some elses land rent free , and save the profits from there booming business . The rest of society are forced to pay rent or buy property , instead of getting paid compensation to move on -- as stated previously this is a known traveller tactic , of getting paid "cash" to move on ! Ah the heart bleeds for the poor things

I'm not saying they need sympathy or anything, why would they...they just got paid.
How is that a tactic? Anybody in their right mind whether they're a traveller or not would hold out for "cash" if the law says they're entitled to it.

Ruen

Stekelly wrote:

Why? On what grounds should someone be allowed to enter property/land they dotn own and basically take ownership of it? Those two words (squatters & rights) should never be together in a sentence.

On the grounds that if they enter the land, setup home and live there for over 20 years and the owner says nothing about it.:) There you go now Stekelly

PHB

PHB wrote:

I agree with squatters rights, .

Within reason so do I,

For example, someone dies intestate and one of surviving members of the houshold remains in the deceased house for 12 years or more, yes! no problem, plenty of time for relatives to come out of the woodwork to claim the estate in the meantime.

Same holds true if someone takes an abandoned house, but the owner or decendents of the owner have time to reclaim before the squatter can put in a claim for the property.

For most other senarios, NO!

Ruen

When these guys setup on this piece of land it was worth nothing and nobody could have cared less but after more than 20 years people are only bothered now because a few euros are involved.... let them have it I say.

gurramok

Ruen wrote:

On the grounds that if they enter the land, setup home and live there for over 20 years and the owner says nothing about it.:) There you go now Stekelly

The owner was a foreign absentee landlord who didnt care what happened to their barren fields.
I blame the arse of a law, the don't care attitude of the landlord and the lazy Dublin COUNTY council(pre Fingal) that allowed something like this to happen in the first place for 20 odd years.
What happens if we all found a prime derelict site and decided to squat on it for 12 years?..We'd be millionaires as well!!

thebaz

Ruen wrote:

..they just got paid.
How is that a tactic? Anybody in their right mind whether they're a traveller or not would hold out for "cash" if the law says they're entitled to it.

.. call it a tactic , call it a habit , call it a way of life , whatever the latest PC word is , but the reality is for years the travellers , have invaded prominent public property, set up camp, refused to leave , create an illegal dump, refuse to leave ... except for a nice tidy sum , and in cash ... if you don't believe this is happening , youv'e obviosly had very limited dealing with travellers .. the Equality group also believe travellers get a raw deal in Irish society, and are fine law abiding citizens .. what in fact do travellers actually give to Irish society , they are wonderfull at taking , as this Dunsink incident highlights

Mexicola

How the f*ck do these guys have rights like this... They dont own the land.
Down with squatters "rights"

mikemac

Will they be paying income tax and capital gains tax on this money?

Somehow I doubt it

Ruen

gurramok wrote:

The owner was a foreign absentee landlord who didnt care what happened to their barren fields.
I blame the arse of a law, the don't care attitude of the landlord and the lazy Dublin COUNTY council(pre Fingal) that allowed something like this to happen in the first place for 20 odd years.
What happens if we all found a prime derelict site and decided to squat on it for 12 years?..We'd be millionaires as well!!

Exactly, barren fields and landlord didnt care so if they go and live in a field nobody cares about it's not their problem if after more than 20 years the landlord decides to claim the land.
Well the way the law stands at the moment if we did do that and we were lucky enough to find some derelict land and the owner didnt care what we done on it and in twenty years it becomes prime development opportunity then yes we would all be millionaires as well....actually sounds like a good plan:D
The way I see it is that the council never cared about the travellers living there until it was worth something and those guys basically just lucked out...a case of picking the right place at the right time 20 years ago.

but the reality is for years the travellers , have invaded prominent public property, set up camp, refused to leave , create an illegal dump, refuse to leave ... except for a nice tidy sum , and in cash ...if you don't believe this is happening , youv'e obviosly had very limited dealing with travellers

So why do people give them the cash, why not just have them removed before they can stake a claim(about 20 years after moving in on land btw:rolleyes: )??
Actually thebaz I dont believe it because I've had enough dealings with the typical irish idiot that thinks everybody else, especially people who are different from him, are getting a better deal than him.

Ruen

micmclo wrote:

Will they be paying income tax and capital gains tax on this money?

Somehow I doubt it

Ehh why? Of course they will, seeing as how everybody and their ma knows about it the Revenue will too

Marathon Man

whippet wrote:

t
I can quite honestly say that in my 30 years on this island I have never had a positive experience with a traveller. Yet my views are classified as stereotypical and 'racist'.

Not by me mate.

Marathon Man

DaveMcG wrote:

They shoulda sent in the riot squad to crack some skulls before it even came to this. F*cking scumbags.

Agreed. If it was anyone else say, hippies, students or legitimate protesters there would definitely be some skulls cracked. But because it is knacker vermin that occupy this space the authorities are walking on eggshells. Pretty bad form if you ask me as it just incites more of the same behaviour. The knackers should now head to Ballsbridge, i heard there might be some future development there. They could camp in the Jurys car park and wait for a pay off.

Karoma

Marathon Man wrote:

Agreed. If it was anyone else say, hippies, students or legitimate protesters there would definitely be some skulls cracked. But because it is knacker vermin that occupy this space the authorities are walking on eggshells. Pretty bad form if you ask me as it just incites more of the same behaviour. The knackers should now head to Ballsbridge, i heard there might be some future development there. They could camp in the Jurys car park and wait for a pay off.

Watch it.


@Binomate: Advocating violenece is unaccpetable. Watch it.

Marathon Man

dame wrote:

Where do you think the council get their money?
From the rest of us paying taxes.

Exactly. As usual decent people are paying for the uneducated, unclean, uncivilized (and every other 'un' possible) Knackers.
They don't deserve anything but a good kicking.

Ruen

Marathon Man wrote:

Agreed. If it was anyone else say, hippies, students or legitimate protesters there would definitely be some skulls cracked. But because it is knacker vermin that occupy this space the authorities are walking on eggshells. Pretty bad form if you ask me as it just incites more of the same behaviour. The knackers should now head to Ballsbridge, i heard there might be some future development there. They could camp in the Jurys car park and wait for a pay off.

Do you even realise they didnt just turn up there recently, they've been there for over 20 years, protesters and students dont protest or stay students for over 20 years:rolleyes: It takes many years before a squatter can claim rights to any land, it's not a case of 'hey they're going to build some apartments in that field in a few months so let's head down tomorrow and by next week they'll be paying us off'

Karoma

Marathon Man wrote:

Exactly. As usual decent people are paying for the uneducated, unclean, uncivilized (and every other 'un' possible) Knackers.
They don't deserve anything but a good kicking.

*applauds* After a warning... clever boy.
Banned.

Ruen

Marathon Man wrote:

Exactly. As usual decent people are paying for the uneducated, unclean, uncivilized (and every other 'un' possible) Knackers.
They don't deserve anything but a good kicking.

Is there something wrong with being uneducated?

Rb

Meh, they've been there for 20 years. The law is on their side, and it has certainly been long enough for someone to come back and claim it, yet they didn't, therefore their loss. Let us not forget how many Irish squatted in England throughout the 60s,70s,80s etc.

Agent Smith

It makes me feel so warm inside to think that money that could have been used for something like the health sevice or transport is spent this way....

mikemac

Quick and easy solution.

The land is not developed on yet so we call it agricultural land.
So CPO and pay the going rate for agricultural land-it surely can't run into millions.

Would this work?

I'd like to know what this absentee landlord in the UK is doing. I wonder is he so rich that he can afford to write off land like this

Crazy Christ

I'm shocked at the level of racism in this thread.

Filthy sponging knackers are entitled to their legal rights the same as the rest of us so I would encourage a more humane attitude towards filthy sponging knackers from all of you

Ruen

agent smith wrote:

It makes me feel so warm inside to think that money that could have been used for something like the health sevice or transport is spent this way....

Council money doesnt go into health service or transport anyway.

CiaranC

DaveMcG wrote:

They shoulda sent in the riot squad to crack some skulls before it even came to this. F*cking scumbags.

Maybe you should try reading a newspaper.

Guy:Incognito

Ruen wrote:

Do you even realise they didnt just turn up there recently, they've been there for over 20 years, protesters and students dont protest or stay students for over 20 years:rolleyes: It takes many years before a squatter can claim rights to any land, it's not a case of 'hey they're going to build some apartments in that field in a few months so let's head down tomorrow and by next week they'll be paying us off'

Do you even realise that no one cares how long they've been there and are not debateing the fact of the law seeign as it's been said over and over already in this thread. People are annoyed that the law allows it to happen.

The fact is, if I buy apatch of land in the arse end of Offaly tomorow, I should be able to go down there in 30 years time and expect it to still be there and in my ownership since I bought and owner the ****ing thing. There should be no provision for people to steal just because no one noticed it missinf for a certain lenght of time.

I'll also repeat my earlier question seeing as you missed it:

If you found out you were left a few acres of land worth a few million but when you went out you were told "sorry, these knackers have had their caravans here for 20 years, they own your land now" I asume you'd say "fair enough, carry on" and be on your way, yeah?

Ruen wrote:

Council money doesnt go into health service or transport anyway.

Not directly but put it this way. The less the council need to spend the less they get form public coffers. The more thats in public coffers , the more can be spent.

TBh I'd rather it was stolen by corrupt politicians.

Collie D

Regardless of who these people are they broke no law. Whether you agree with it or not, there are squatters' rights. Imagine I find a wad of notes and advertise it in the hope that the owner comes forward. I give them say three months to collect. Tough **** if they don't, I was honest and offered it up but nobody's interested. It's going in my back pocket. Probably not morally right but it's not illegal.

Also interesting to see how many people see a "good kicking" as a solution to everything. And they'll probably post tomorrow about the amount of scum on the streets. Or is at all hide behind the monitor hard man talk??