Irish Paper Two (H) - The Fallout

Haven't a Clue

Well, how'd it go for ye?

Poetry was pretty good I thought. Shat meself when I saw Uirchill, but Maigdileana was a good alternative. Easy poems were ... well, easy.

Couldn't believe Cearrbhach Mac Caba was the compulsory scéal. Made a balls of tha answer.

Stair na Gaeilge was grand. Meath na Gaeilge was predictable and I had I had a reasonably knowledge of the Dánta Grá.

Úrsceal was only alright too.

blondie07

Omigod! what the hell was that about?! so close to tears right now. as soon as i saw cearrbhach and nil aon ni my head just started spinning and i got so flustered. lig sinn i gcathu wasnt too bad, cearrbhach a load of bull **** couldnt even remember what the three wishes were, jack was ok, nil aon ni i just took what i did for faoiseamh and put it in there, an triail was a mess, hadnt done either of the hl poems so just had to waffle through magdelena which was an ok question, stair was fine. with that paper, lucky if i get a C3. the examiners are absolute assholes! going to have to work my ass off for the next four exams

GKRandom

Question 2 - Dirbheathaisnéisí

(b) Dirbheathaisnéisí Roghnach

I answered this using 'A Thig Ná Tit Orm', please tell me I'm alright for marks?

alancork

This was da best paper ever!! unreal! all the questions were understandable..def goin 4 a B in irish id say!

SexyD4Lady

Can't believe Cearrbhach came up, was convinced it wouldn't since it appeared twice on last year's paper. My answer was utter drivel.

The Thig Ná Tit Orm question was VILE- answered on the two characters who Maidch Dainín learned most from. Couldn't remember their bleedin' names.

Stair- could only answer on Gaeilge Mar Theanga Ceilteach.

Maigdileana- waffled, and forgot about the undergroud represting Christ's tomb. Balls!

Everything else ok, what was left of it!! Not feeling confident about prospective results... :S

Thomas_S_Hunterson

That was easy.

The whole Irish exam this year was easy, the aural was a joke

mathew

seems the predictablilty went out the window! I was quite happy with it. Did Lig Sin I gCathu which was a nice question. Didnt bother me that Cearrbach was compulsory, knew it quite well. Níl aon ní was the same. Its an easy enough poem. Codarsnach was easy to sh1te on about!
The An Trial question about the mothers was unusual but very do able. Again a bit of waffle to fill up some space got me through.

Did Magdeleana instead of Urchaill. That was easy enough. The Christian imegary was quite nice. The lines we had to put in our own words were easy enough too.

As for Stair, it was lovely. Did e and f, the decline and rebirth of irish.. Say i got almose full markes that sections

No more Irish... ever.. whoo!!

JC 2K3

Nice paper. Lig Sinni gCathú was grand, but I never really would have described Máirtín's situation as a "cruachás" before... I knew Cearrbhach fairly well despite not revising it, it wasn't a brilliant answer though.

Thought there would have been a bit more choice in Scothscéalta, but regardless, my two favourites, Neill and Teatrarc na Gaililí, came up. Answered the first question on Teatrarc. Wrote a pretty good answer.

Gnáthleibhéal Poetry was grand.

Despite only reading Úirchill for the first time last night, I did a class answer on it. I love the way that poem is essentially an extended Stair na Gaeilge question

Wrote about Meath na Gaeilge and an Ghaeilge mar Theanga Ceilteach for Stair na Gaeilge.

genericgoon

Good paper probably screwed up my Lig sin i gcathu and cearrbhach answers though. An triail question was so easy! Poems were good and maigdileanna was alrite. Stair na gaelige was simple. irish as a celtic language and meath an gaelige in the 19th century were both fairly simple. Overall, i expect a D-high C in irish depnds how the oral and essay are taken.

maggie18x

yeah blondie i feel your pain i actually had tears im eyes coming out.i never even got to do the 20mark question coz i ran outta time and even if i had time i wasnt able to answer it and i needed a b2\b3.such a spa why didnt i do more study........i thought it was really hard

Insect Overlord

I'm pretty happy with it overall. Left "An Triail" til last so I only got 2 pages written, but they were 2 good pages!

In poetry, did "Maigdiléana", "Níl Aon Ní" and "Faoiseamh a Gheobhadsa". No problems there.

Wrote about "Lig Sinn i gCathú" and "Cearbhach Mac Cábá" for Ceist 1. Fortunately I wasn't trying to predict questions so all the essays I read over last night served me well!

Was completely unprepared for the Stair question, but I remembered enough about 'Gaeilge mar Theanga Cheilteach' and 'na Dánta Grá' to get three points out of each.

genericgoon

People ran out of time? i had a good half an hour spare though not the hour i had yesterday. And yes i did all the questions i needed.

Your Man

the bastards putting cearrbah on again...id never read the story and somehow wrote a page on it. would be bothered too much by it tho its only worth 2 1/2%..

MadSambuka

Im so annoyed with that paper! did so much for it! and after spending all my life in a gaelscoil i doubt ill get the a that everyone says..oh you go to an irish school ur guarenteed an a1! NOT TRUE! the qustions were horrible and the essay yesterday were vile!

Jayeire

Cearrbhach aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! where was clare!!

genericgoon

Isnt cearrbhach easy enuf though and the 2nd question should be easy enuf if you had bealoideas covered for stair na gaelige. I mentioned the use of the numbers 3 and 7 , which is so easy to talk about.

Corruptedmorals

Beautiful paper. An Bhean óg question was great, went very well. Cearrbhach..did Death's importance, got loads on that as well, remembered it since it's my favourite story of the lot. An Triail 'Both mothers fail. Discuss'. AWESOME!! That was grand as well. Níl Aon Ní is the easiest poem for me, and Faoiseamh isn't much different, so that was fine too..

Hate Maigdiléana and úirchill, but did úirchill, I know it better. Messed up the meadarcht question, but the other 2 were fine. Stair was awful, managed a bit on teanga ceilteach, then wrote a few lines for Pearse...had mian points in though.

I think I might have managed the A2 I want. Just maybe..

lemansky

I thought it would never end......because i was bored.It was really easy.Everything was very standard.No weird questions,just straight forward stuff.Ithink both papers and the aural were quite simple.

Haven't a Clue

genericgoon wrote:

Isnt cearrbhach easy enuf though and the 2nd question should be easy enuf if you had bealoideas covered for stair na gaelige. I mentioned the use of the numbers 3 and 7 , which is so easy to talk about.

Yeah, that might just've scraped me through that question. I said that the story was dochreidte and how it was simplíocht, i.e. maith vs old, laidir vs lág etc. Still wasn't happy with that answer at all though.

Spank

Hate it. Only questions I didn't mind where Nil Aon Ni, Faoiseamh, practically the same no?
Uirchill was alright too. Bombed completely on An Triail, couldn't think of a mother besides Maires! Like how stupid could I get? Just got about a page on her character, didn't study it so it's my own fault.

Pros sucked aswell, didn't like the questions. Done An Bhean Og, struggled to get over a page written, it was muck aswell, there is only so many times you can talk about her loneliness. Cearrbhach? Muck also, wasn't expecting it, only glanced over my notes. All in all, I'd say I might pass by the skin of my teeth, hopefully!

Question, on Stair Na Gaeilge, Na Danta Gra Cuirte, is that by any chance the same as plain old Danta gra? If not, well I have more reason to cry....

genericgoon

The other An triail question was fairly easy though worry and shame pretty much run the whole story along.

JC 2K3

MadSambuka wrote:

Im so annoyed with that paper! did so much for it! and after spending all my life in a gaelscoil i doubt ill get the a that everyone says..oh you go to an irish school ur guarenteed an a1! NOT TRUE! the qustions were horrible and the essay yesterday were vile!

Well it's a guaranteed B1.

You have to remember that you automatically get close to 100% for the cluastuicint and béalscrúdú - that's 250/600 marks ~41%.

And the standard is quite a bit higher from all Irish schools I'd imagine, so even if you thought you didn't do too great, chances are you did a lot better than the average person from an English speaking school who thought they did bad.

lemansky

MadSambuka wrote:

Im so annoyed with that paper! did so much for it! and after spending all my life in a gaelscoil i doubt ill get the a that everyone says..oh you go to an irish school ur guarenteed an a1! NOT TRUE! the qustions were horrible and the essay yesterday were vile!

As JC 2K3 said you'll be fine!Your idea of doing badly in Irish is different to that of others!You'll be happy come the results.

I have to say I totally agree with you on the whole Irish school-definite A1 thing.Its bullsh1t. I spent my primary school years in a Gaelscoil then went to an english secondary,and do you know what people were saying to me this morning>Sure you're fluent-you don't need to do any study for paper 2.I don't see how that works.Yes a person who is fluent can say what they want...but waht good is that if they don't know what to say?I mean being fluent didn't help me answer on meath na Gaeilge,knowing the info did.

Marshy

Cant really argue with that paper. The usual kinda questions came up although I hadnt gone over stair very well so probably lost out there.

Poetry questions were very fair, as was an triail, and short stories were fine too. Dont think I did brilliantly but good enough. Cathal O' Searcaigh certainly got good publicity out of the paper.

genericgoon

Actually wasnt this the first without anything on fhiannaiocht or ruraiocht one in the stair like in any form at all?

lemansky

genericgoon wrote:

Actually wasnt this the first without anything on fhiannaiocht or ruraiocht one in the stair like in any form at all?

I have to say I never actually looked through the stair section of the papers looking to see if this was the case because frankly I always assumed that it was!It seems logical that they'd always put up either a section asking about them or otherwise ask you to talk about a story belonging to either.I was surprised today.

Spank

Just realised that I wrote about Mairtin O direan instead of martin o cathaiwhatever that came up. There goes 70 marks altogether on that paper.

genericgoon

Spank wrote:

Just realised that I wrote about Mairtin O direan instead of martin o cathaiwhatever that came up. There goes 70 marks altogether on that paper.

What section is this in? Theres no question worth 70 marks on the paper anyways.

Steve01

The paper went fairly well for me, though I was annoyed to see An Cearrbhach Mac Cába as the 15 marker since I'd done little or no revision for it. Still managed a decent enough answer on béaloideas though.
I was surprised to see Níl aon Ní back as a 15 marker too. So much for the Department being predictable eh? Regardless I did a good answer on codarsnacht.

Uirchill, faoiseamh, an bhean óg and an triail were fine. Admittedly stair na teanga was the mankiest its been in years. Apparently some guy on 2FM last night said that An gaeilge mar theanga cheilteach was a definite. Thank God I found out this morning in time. Gotta start listening to 2FM more often!

That ends Irish then. I'm pretty confident I got at least a B1

Spank

genericgoon wrote:

What section is this in? Theres no question worth 70 marks on the paper anyways.

No I mean that 30 and 40 for the An Triail q, my answer was waffle

Can anyone clear up my Danta Gra q a bit back? I'm doing a post mortem to try and see if I passed, it's making me pissed off.

qwertyface

GKRandom wrote:

Question 2 - Dirbheathaisnéisí

(b) Dirbheathaisnéisí Roghnach

I answered this using 'A Thig Ná Tit Orm', please tell me I'm alright for marks?

um...isn't the "roghnach" question for people who are repeating who are talking about poems not on our course? I think you're only meant to do it if you do the danta rognach too... maybe Im wrong tho, just what I heard!

Thomas_S_Hunterson

qwertyface wrote:

um...isn't the "roghnach" question for people who are repeating who are talking about poems not on our course? I think you're only meant to do it if you do the danta rognach too... maybe Im wrong tho, just what I heard!

Well it's an option on the paper so they can't mark you down for taking it. There's absolutely nothing on the paper to suggest that you can't do it.

SamHamilton

The paper was great! Best paper I could have hoped for.

Bean Óg - easy

Cearrbhach - the béaloidis question was lovely

A Thig Ná Tit Orm - bunscoil question made me want to cry with joy

Poems were on the page. Enough said.

Stair the Gaeilge - na hAnnála, meath na Gaeilge and an Ghaeilge mar teanga Ceilteach was always going to come up

I felt I was pressed for time though. I didn't have time to read over all my answers but all in all, Irish has been great this year.

genericgoon

maybe not on the paper but id say theyve closed that loophole somewhere.

cossyx

qwertyface wrote:

um...isn't the "roghnach" question for people who are repeating who are talking about poems not on our course? I think you're only meant to do it if you do the danta rognach too... maybe Im wrong tho, just what I heard!

Yeah I thought the roghnach question was for people repeating aswell, that's what our teacher told us. But to be honest I don't know if I'd trust her..She told us not to study anything that came up on the 2006 paper too!!

tolosenc

That was actually grand. Freaked when I saw Cearrbhach and Níl Aon, but did OK I think. Áibhéil and greann are characteristics of Béaloideas, right?

Roghnach is for anyone who wants it, there's nothing to stop you going for it.

Steve01

obl wrote:

That was actually grand. Freaked when I saw Cearrbhach and Níl Aon, but did OK I think. Áibhéil and greann are characteristics of Béaloideas, right?

Yep. I used greann and simplíocht

genericgoon

Yes I used simple caracters and story and the use of the numbers 7 and 3

genericgoon

obl wrote:

That was actually grand. Freaked when I saw Cearrbhach and Níl Aon, but did OK I think. Áibhéil and greann are characteristics of Béaloideas, right?

Roghnach is for anyone who wants it, there's nothing to stop you going for it.

Yes but he used the prescribed text for his roghnach question. Is tHAT ALLOWED?

Spank

Spank wrote:

Question, on Stair Na Gaeilge, Na Danta Gra Cuirte, is that by any chance the same as plain old Danta gra? If not, well I have more reason to cry....

????

Karlusss

The questions on Níl Aon Ní and Faoiseamh a Gheobhadsa were basically the same, plus there were two Cathal Ó Searcaigh poems, as well as a story, a poem, a Stair na Gaeilge AND a listening reference to Máire Mhac an tSaoi.

I thought it was fine though. Drew on general knowledge of Gaeilge mar Theanga Ceilteach to help me out of what could have been a dodgy Stair section.

Úirchill an Chreagáin was easy, to balance the language. So that was well worth cramming.

genericgoon

Emm Id check my irish book but i gave it in.:)(NO MORE IRISH) But i think the danta gra is the older one which is mocking and stuff. Amhran gra is the later , genuine love one.

innocenteyesuk

I thought the An Triail questions were kinda nasty as was An Cearrbhach Mac Caba coming up again. Didn't study it so I could only write a few lines on it. Will get me probably 2 marks! Ha!

Never in a million years saw Maigdileana coming up, was happy about that!

Pass poems were very very easy this year. Very handy marks.

Liked the Lig Sinn i gCathu question, was nice enough. Surprised Fiche Blian didn't turn up as compulsory.

Stair was a bit hit and miss. Wrote about Maire Mhac an tSaoi and ha Anala. Didn't know any of the others. Was tempted to write a piece about Deirdre Brennan but didn't in the end. I would only have written about my Chemistry teacher who has the same name!

Overall, I'd say I got a C.

genericgoon

But AN triail had a question about the effect of worry and shame on the story! Thats so simple.Nearly every action in that play was influenced by those in one way or another.

Spank

I've looked up my textbook Foinse, no mention of An Danta Gra cuirte, so here's hoping.

chas_88

GKRandom wrote:

Question 2 - Dirbheathaisnéisí

(b) Dirbheathaisnéisí Roghnach

I answered this using 'A Thig Ná Tit Orm', please tell me I'm alright for marks?

a thig ná tit orm is only on the ainmnithe course, and my teacher said there's a completely different list for the roghnach, which is only given to teachers. most teachers don't even explain what it is, they just tell people to ignore it. it's nothing to do with repeating students, and as far as i know, it's not an option if you've only done the ainmnithe course (in prose, poetry and the other texts).
but...since that's not mentioned on the paper, it probably doesn't matter that much to examiners, and they'll surely give you your marks for your answer.

JC 2K3

^It does matter, it's harsh, but they'll get 0 marks for it, there's another thread about this.

Roonels

lets be honest it was a very fair paper, no surprises really, im just praying that danta gra cuirte is the same as the regular danta gra, other than that a thig ná tit was piss, bunscoil was really handy, maigdileana was always coming up, bean og was standard, cearrbhach was a little tricky of them but first question about an Bás was pretty nice, i just talked about how the story developed because of his input, only 15 marks so nothing major anywho, and the listening was a piece of piss, wat a joke!(not complaining honest!)

carlowboy

qwertyface wrote:

um...isn't the "roghnach" question for people who are repeating who are talking about poems not on our course? I think you're only meant to do it if you do the danta rognach too... maybe Im wrong tho, just what I heard!

Bad news...... you won't get any marks. A few of the lads tried that in the mocks and got nothing.

Thought the paper was actually lovely. If you knew about béaloidis from stair na gaeilge you'd be grand for cearrbhach mc cába. I go to a Gaelcholáiste so it was easy to bluff through. :cool:

chas_88

Roonels wrote:

the listening was a piece of piss, wat a joke!(not complaining honest!)

absolutely! i thought that should've been the ordinary level listening, there wasn't one bit of it that was in any way challenging.

carlowboy

Worst thing about the listening was that in past years, there has always been a bit of comedy in it. Not this year though
Only thing that came close to complicated was the last bit about the "hucéir". They talked painfully slowly too.