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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    Might be worth checking some of the other Lidl threads, I think Murphaph works
    there - if so maybe drop a PM to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,388 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    If you have no luck try dunnes, they do kids ones, full suit and "shortie" and had adult shorties last time I was in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭gilbert


    you may get them from LIDI In ballinteer or super valu in churchtown.dublin 14


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭pissed


    Cheers thanks for the replies, only found out yesterday that Dunnes had them too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭pissed


    Went into a few of the Lidl stores today and managed to get one. If anybody else is looking for one the Lidl in the Blanchardstown centre have a few left but all are for women. The Lidl in Finglas have some left too, full length only available for men and the shorty version for women too, shorty version €29.99 and full length €49.99


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    I know a few people who got them and found them rubbish quality - poor fit and materials etc No wonder Lidl do not offer changing rooms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    vesp wrote:
    I know a few people who got them and found them rubbish quality - poor fit and materials etc No wonder Lidl do not offer changing rooms.
    But we do offer a no quibble money back guarantee. People don't bring them back in general so I'd question your comments. I've sold hundreds and not one person has come back in with such sentiment. I've had a few back because they were simply the wrong size. When you say "poor materials", what do you mean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭pissed


    vesp I know a few people who got them and found them rubbish quality - poor fit and materials etc No wonder Lidl do not offer changing rooms.

    Actually not totally true, I asked a member of staff if my son could try on the suit and she let him use the staff toilets to change, more than helpful. As for the quality I dont know how they will hold up in the future but to me the quality looks fine and for €30 for the shorty and €50 for the full length im happy enough


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭Rashers72


    I bought 2 from Lidl - one for myself, and one for my son. Great value, and no problems. I also bought the boots, which were great.
    In fact, I heard a few friends who sail a lot, mention the boots in particular were very good value.
    As far as I can figure out, the ticker the depth of the material, the more expensive they are, but the more you can use them in the shoulder season - i.e. April/May, September/October


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    vesp wrote:
    I know a few people who got them and found them rubbish quality - poor fit and materials etc No wonder Lidl do not offer changing rooms.

    Poor fit because they do not offer the range of sizes. All the other wetsuit brands have lots of sizes eg in mens sizes alone something along the lines of small, medium small, medium, medium tall, medium large, large, xl, etc Ask any surfer, for example, and they will tell you the fit of a wetsuit is very important. Lidl do not offer a range of sizes like that. They do not use superstretch neoprene, which some of the other suits made in China are made from.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    vesp wrote:
    Poor fit because they do not offer the range of sizes. All the other wetsuit brands have lots of sizes eg in mens sizes alone something along the lines of small, medium small, medium, medium tall, medium large, large, xl, etc Ask any surfer, for example, and they will tell you the fit of a wetsuit is very important. Lidl do not offer a range of sizes like that. They do not use superstretch neoprene, which some of the other suits made in China are made from.
    Lidl does offer many 'in-between' sizes such as S, SM, M, ML, L and XL in at least some of their wetsuits. Can't remember off-hand if all the models offer in between sizes. Lidl uses superstretch sections of Neoprene at the shoulders and hips in at least some of their wetsuits. In fact I believe the 150 quid three piece set today has it. Any more misinformation for the public vesp?

    Lidl Wetsuit

    I have had a lot of keen divers in and have been most happy with their suits. Very happy with the price too. The best thing is that you can just bring it back if you don't like it.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,021 Mod ✭✭✭✭Moonbeam


    I got one of the shorty ones last year,it is a perfect fit and has lasted well.
    Though I did buy a size smaller then I normally would due to availability,which turned out to be lucky.

    I wouldn't expect it to match up to the ones I have paid 10 times the price for but it is a perfect summer wetsuit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    murphaph wrote:
    Lidl does offer many 'in-between' sizes such as S, SM, M, ML, L and XL in at least some of their wetsuits. Can't remember off-hand if all the models offer in between sizes.


    Which wetsuits does it offer those sizes in ? Any of the boxes of Lidl wetsuits I saw do not have those individual size options on the size chart on the box....never mind the extra sizes like MT ( medium tall ) which all the other manufacturers offer. Maybe Lidl have increased their range of sizes? Any chance of a size chart or more information? Still, I suppose seeing as Lidl do not offer changing rooms it is much easier for them to try to sell a much limited range of sizes....the people I feel sorry for are the people who feel cold in badly fitting wetsuits.

    murphaph wrote:
    Lidl uses superstretch sections of Neoprene at the shoulders and hips in at least some of their wetsuits.

    Really ? Which wetsuits ? Why do they not publicise it if they do ? Why has nobody ever found any in any of their wetsuits ? I am open to correction if Lidl do now use superstretch "in at least some of their wetsuits", but remaim sceptical of this claim unless proven otherwise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    Moonbeam wrote:
    I got one of the shorty ones last year,it is a perfect fit and has lasted well.
    Though I did buy a size smaller then I normally would due to availability,which turned out to be lucky.

    I wouldn't expect it to match up to the ones I have paid 10 times the price for but it is a perfect summer wetsuit.

    "10 times the price for" ? Pray tell where you got a summer wetsuit for ten times the price of a lidl suit ? It is hard to take seriously the comments of some people. Also, if the Lidl suit is a perfect summer wetsuit, how come it does not match up to the branded wetsuit ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    vesp wrote:
    Which wetsuits does it offer those sizes in ? Any of the boxes of Lidl wetsuits I saw do not have those individual size options on the size chart on the box....never mind the extra sizes like MT ( medium tall ) which all the other manufacturers offer. Maybe Lidl have increased their range of sizes? Any chance of a size chart or more information? Still, I suppose seeing as Lidl do not offer changing rooms it is much easier for them to try to sell a much limited range of sizes....the people I feel sorry for are the people who feel cold in badly fitting wetsuits.
    Those people should just bring the suit back and get a refund. I wonder how quickly a specialist shop will give you your money back on a suit simply because you don't want it. You seem to be ignoring all the people who have actually bought a Lidl suit right here in this thread and are telling you quite clearly they are at least 'satisfied' with their purchase. Are their opinions invalid?
    vesp wrote:
    Really ? Which wetsuits ? Why do they not publicise it if they do ? Why has nobody ever found any in any of their wetsuits ? I am open to correction if Lidl do now use superstretch "in at least some of their wetsuits", but remaim sceptical of this claim unless proven otherwise.
    I presume superstretch is similar to Ultrastretch or performs a similar function as the suit set on sale right now has ultrastretch material. From the Lidl website:
    Lidl.ie wrote:
    Ladies’ & Men’s Professional Diving Suit Combo

    * Neoprene with Trispan Ultrastretch material for optimised flexibility and fit
    * Trispan Ultrastretch material helps mould the wetsuit into your individual body shape
    * With flex zones for excellent elasticity and comfort
    * Hood with long collar for optimum seal and comfort
    * Sizes: S-XL
    * Price per pair


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    murphaph wrote:
    Those people should just bring the suit back and get a refund.
    what, the people who feel cold in badly fitting wetsuits (partly because lidl do not offer a full range of sizes, have too big a gap between sizes and do not offer changing rooms or advice )? Will they get a refund ? The people who feel uncomfortable because their wetsuits do not stretch as much ? None of the wetsuits lidl had on sale some weeks ago had any "trispan ultrastretch" , did they, let alone superstretch ? I believe tests of these chinese made lidl suits did not find any. Maybe the current lidl suits @ 150 incorporate a little bit of "trispan ultrastretch" ...but they can call it quatrospan lidl for all I care. I bought a few items in lidl once and they did not last or were equal quality, but then I suppose what do you expect. A friend bought a pair of jeans there once ( for gardening / rough work etc ) , without trying them on ( well he could not, could he - not in lidl ). He was sort of 'satisfied' with his purchase - well he did not like to admit his mistake - but such a laugh we had at the fit and tailoring. Good job it was not a wetsuit or he would have been frozen in it, it was so illfitting. The zip broke after a few week., so I suppose he was not satisfied then...it had very small teeth, not unlike their wetsuit boots ( big difference between a size 5 and a size 10 zip in boots ). Did he bring it back and get a refund ? No. It was easier to just throw the garment in the bin. They were not expensive anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 203 ✭✭2funki4wheelz


    vesp wrote:
    A friend bought a pair of jeans there once ( for gardening / rough work etc )...He was sort of 'satisfied' with his purchase - well he did not like to admit his mistake - but such a laugh we had at the fit and tailoring.

    A 'friend' eh? :rolleyes: Are you scarred for life from your mates slagging you over a pair of Lidl jeans? Fork out for a nice pair of John Rocha's then if you're - sorry - your friend's so worried about looking stylish in the garden.
    Did he bring it back and get a refund ? No. It was easier to just throw the garment in the bin. They were not expensive anyway.

    If someone can't be even be bothered to get refunded then don't bother complaining about products. The fact remains the refund is available. I've bought plenty of things from Lidl and never had a problem with anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    vesp wrote:
    what, the people who feel cold in badly fitting wetsuits (partly because lidl do not offer a full range of sizes, have too big a gap between sizes and do not offer changing rooms or advice )? Will they get a refund ?
    Yes. Lidl have perhaps the most open ended refund policy in irish retail vesp.
    vesp wrote:
    The people who feel uncomfortable because their wetsuits do not stretch as much ? None of the wetsuits lidl had on sale some weeks ago had any "trispan ultrastretch" , did they, let alone superstretch ? I believe tests of these chinese made lidl suits did not find any. Maybe the current lidl suits @ 150 incorporate a little bit of "trispan ultrastretch" ...but they can call it quatrospan lidl for all I care.
    The suit set for 150 is the EXACT SAME ONE as ran a few weeks ago vesp. It has ultrastretch in it now. It had ultrastretch in it then. Face it-you chanced your arm and made up porkie pies about a certain aspect of a Lidl product and you have been caught out.
    vesp wrote:
    I bought a few items in lidl once and they did not last or were equal quality, but then I suppose what do you expect.
    I would expect my Lidl purchases to stand up as well as purchases of comparable products from anywhere else. Do Dixons/Currys/PCWorld offer a 3 year warranty on all their electrical items? ALL Lidl electical and electronic items carry a full 3 year warranty and I know (from real, not made up) experience that the suppliers don't mess people about. They pick up and return faulty items though more often than not, they just give out a brand new replacement for a faulty item. Indeed, some suppliers send out the replacement BEFORE they receive the faulty unit!
    vesp wrote:
    A friend bought a pair of jeans there once ( for gardening / rough work etc ) , without trying them on ( well he could not, could he - not in lidl ). He was sort of 'satisfied' with his purchase - well he did not like to admit his mistake - but such a laugh we had at the fit and tailoring.
    You examined the tailoring of a pair of Gardening jeans?
    vesp wrote:
    Good job it was not a wetsuit or he would have been frozen in it, it was so illfitting. The zip broke after a few week., so I suppose he was not satisfied then...it had very small teeth, not unlike their wetsuit boots ( big difference between a size 5 and a size 10 zip in boots ). Did he bring it back and get a refund ? No.
    Why not?
    vesp wrote:
    It was easier to just throw the garment in the bin. They were not expensive anyway.
    So the item was so cheap he felt he could discard the item instead of getting a refund? He should still have gotten his refund if the item developed a fault.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    murphaph wrote:
    Yes. Lidl have perhaps the most open ended refund policy in irish retail vesp. .

    So lidl will give a refund on used clothing because of fit ? Really ?
    Can I quote you on that ?
    murphaph wrote:
    The suit set for 150 is the EXACT SAME ONE as ran a few weeks ago vesp. It has ultrastretch in it now. It had ultrastretch in it then.
    I was referring to the 3mm suits lidl had " some weeks ago". These after all, seem to be the type of wetsuit lidl sell the most of. They never had ultrastretch. If they had genuine ultrastretch they would claim it. They do not.
    murphaph wrote:
    I would expect my Lidl purchases to stand up as well as purchases of comparable products from anywhere else.

    "Comparable products" is the key phrase. Who else has sold suits with plastic zip sliders in the recent past,which sometimes break ; boots with fine teeth ( why do other brands have heavy duty zips ? ); neoprene which stretches like cardboard etc etc

    murphaph wrote:
    You examined the tailoring of a pair of Gardening jeans?
    .
    No, they were not gardening jeans or designed as such. What I said was "A friend bought a pair of jeans there once ( for gardening / rough work etc ) , without trying them on ( well he could not, could he - not in lidl ). He was sort of 'satisfied' with his purchase - well he did not like to admit his mistake - but such a laugh we had at the fit and tailoring." Ye would be blind not to notice them


    murphaph wrote:
    So the item was so cheap he felt he could discard the item instead of getting a refund? He should still have gotten his refund if the item developed a fault.

    How many people bring stuff back ? Us Irish are not good at complaining.
    If you buy food at lidl at it does not taste good or is inedible do you bring it back + go up to the checkout assistant too, and cause a fuss while she goes for her / his supervisor ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    vesp wrote:
    So lidl will give a refund on used clothing because of fit ? Really ?
    Can I quote you on that ?
    Yes. You have 28 days to exchange items as you bought them with your receipt. Just pop it back in the box and return it. Lidl does NOT want unhappy customers vesp. Lidl wants people to feel happy with their purchases. Retail success is BUILT on customer loyalty. It is totally counterproductive to get a quick sale and an unhappy customer I assure you.
    vesp wrote:
    I was referring to the 3mm suits lidl had " some weeks ago". These after all, seem to be the type of wetsuit lidl sell the most of. They never had ultrastretch. If they had genuine ultrastretch they would claim it. They do not.
    They sell more of them because they are 29-49 quid. Can you buy any suit with ultrastretch for anywhere near 29 quid in a specialist shop? These are the budget suits. The 150 quid 3 piece set has ultrastretch as previously stated.
    vesp wrote:
    "Comparable products" is the key phrase. Who else has sold suits with plastic zip sliders in the recent past,which sometimes break ; boots with fine teeth ( why do other brands have heavy duty zips ? ); neoprene which stretches like cardboard etc etc
    Vesp, I'm not a diver/surfer but I am a biker and I have seen 500 quid leathers have zips break off. I have seen my Lidl waterproofs last 2 years with no zips failing. That means nothing. It is far too small a sample to conclude that all 500 quid leathers are crap and all 80 quid lidl suits are excellent.
    vesp wrote:
    How many people bring stuff back ?
    Plenty of people bring perfect products back when, for example, they have had another identical item bought for them by another-this happens a lot with items designed for older people (siblings buying the same item for their elderly parent).
    vesp wrote:
    Us Irish are not good at complaining.
    It's not complaining. M&S also offer perfect product refunds within (I believe) 28 days. It's a tool for building customer confidence in one's product and hence customer loyalty.
    vesp wrote:
    If you buy food at lidl at it does not taste good or is inedible do you bring it back + go up to the checkout assistant too, and cause a fuss while she goes for her / his supervisor ?
    There's no fuss vesp. We are not looking to scam you out of your money if something goes wrong and you purchase a sub-standard product. We generally replace the item foc and also refund the purchase price as a gesture of good will. You have very low expectations of Lidl because you have never asked.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    murphaph wrote:
    Yes. ( lidl will give a refund on used clothing because of fit) You have 28 days to exchange items as you bought them with your receipt.

    If lidl will give a refund on used clothing because of fit ...and people can use a wetsuit for up to 28 days and then exchange it because of fit ( suppose they saw it in lidl, bought it without trying it on as there are no changing rooms there, went on holidays and discovered it was not the correct fit - perhaps partly to lidl offering fewer size options as all other manufacturers do ). If it does not fit them properly and keep them warm - does this lidl policy also apply to other lidl clothing products ?

    murphaph wrote:
    The 150 quid 3 piece set has ultrastretch as previously stated.
    It does not have superstretch. It only claims to incorporate some "trispan ultrastretch" in parts of the suit. And most lidl wetsuits do not have any "trispan ultrastretch" or they would claim it. As regards the zips, why do the established and reputable brands all use metal zip zliders instead of plastic ( like some of the cheap lidl 3mm suits I saw ). Why do lidl use fine tooth zips in their wetsuit boots which clog and break easily with sand and silt etc ? Every other reputable manufacturer uses heavier duty zips nowadays in their boots, I think it fair to say.
    I suppose you pay your money + get what u pay for.
    murphaph wrote:
    Plenty of people bring perfect products back when, for example, they have had another identical item bought for them by another-this happens a lot with items designed for older people (siblings buying the same item for their elderly parent).

    Thats not what we are talking about and you are going off on a tangent.

    murphaph wrote:
    It's not complaining. M&S also offer perfect product refunds within (I believe) 28 days.

    You you are comparing lidl to Marks and Spenser. lol. Ever tried to bring something back to lidl ? I did. I would not bother again. Their customer services department is as obvious as their changing rooms. Not worth the embarassment of the checkout person going off to find a supervisor etc. And anyway, suppose someone goes to lidl looking for refund on used clothing because of fit. Image arguing about "perfect product refunds " over this with someone in lidl ? Would this qualify for perfect product refund ? You said "Yes" to the question " lidl will give a refund on used clothing because of fit ? " You wrote " You have 28 days to exchange items as you bought them with your receipt."


    murphaph wrote:
    There's no fuss vesp. We are not looking to scam you out of your money if something goes wrong and you purchase a sub-standard product. We generally replace the item foc and also refund the purchase price as a gesture of good will. You have very low expectations of Lidl because you have never asked.
    That does not really answer my question. I asked " If you buy food at lidl at it does not taste good or is inedible do you bring it back + go up to the checkout assistant too, and cause a fuss while she goes for her / his supervisor ?" I never said lidl was a scam - some products there are fine and reasonable value for money. I even buy things there myself now + again. Usually now the stuff I try to buy there now are branded products, as I have often ( but not always ) been disappointed at the lidl / own brand / not well known brand stuff I bought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    vesp wrote:
    If lidl will give a refund on used clothing because of fit ...and people can use a wetsuit for up to 28 days and then exchange it because of fit ( suppose they saw it in lidl, bought it without trying it on as there are no changing rooms there, went on holidays and discovered it was not the correct fit - perhaps partly to lidl offering fewer size options as all other manufacturers do ). If it does not fit them properly and keep them warm - does this lidl policy also apply to other lidl clothing products ?
    Vesp. I'm not going to keep repeating myself. If you bring the suit home and it doesn't fit, you bring it back and get a full refund, no questions asked. It is really that simple with Lidl. Why would someone buy a wetsuit and then not maybe try it on before heading off to Spain? You are trying to engineer a situation where the Lidl refund policy fails.
    vesp wrote:
    It does not have superstretch.
    I never said it does.
    vesp wrote:
    It only claims to incorporate some "trispan ultrastretch" in parts of the suit.
    which claims to do the same thing as superstretch. You're splitting hairs now because you were originally claiming that all Lidl suits were fabricated of simple bog-standard neoprene and I showed you the specs say otherwise.
    vesp wrote:
    And most lidl wetsuits do not have any "trispan ultrastretch" or they would claim it.
    The budget suits do not. Do all budget 'brand-name' suits contain it?
    vesp wrote:
    As regards the zips, why do the established and reputable brands all use metal zip zliders instead of plastic ( like some of the cheap lidl 3mm suits I saw ). Why do lidl use fine tooth zips in their wetsuit boots which clog and break easily with sand and silt etc ? Every other reputable manufacturer uses heavier duty zips nowadays in their boots, I think it fair to say.
    I suppose you pay your money + get what u pay for.
    all I can say is Lidl has been running those boots for 18 months or more and I've never had a return. Have you actually seen a pair of failed Lidl boots with your own eyes? I haven't, and I think I would have done vesp. I see all faulty returns.
    vesp wrote:
    Thats not what we are talking about and you are going off on a tangent.
    Excuse me, it was you who asked about other products. I have no need to go off on tangents because you have no facts, just idle speculation and a belief that all lidl merchandise falls asunder-despite all the contributors to this thread telling you otherwise.
    vesp wrote:
    You you are comparing lidl to Marks and Spenser. lol.
    Sure why not, I'm not the only one (from here)....
    Choc Me Jaffa Cakes

    * Bournemouth Daily Echo Rating:
    * Best rating in test - 4.5 out of 5
    * "Flat as pancakes and noticably smaller than the rest, these jaffa cakes created a poor first impression. But we were soon consoled by the thick marmalade-like layer of orange, which covered the entire base. Not much between these and the M&S ones but these take the biscuit on price."
    vesp wrote:
    Ever tried to bring something back to lidl ?
    Yes.
    vesp wrote:
    I did. I would not bother again.
    Why not?
    vesp wrote:
    Their customer services department is as obvious as their changing rooms.
    Would you like a customer services desk in every branch?
    vesp wrote:
    Not worth the embarassment of the checkout person going off to find a supervisor etc.
    You are easily embarrassed vesp. There's no need to be I assure you.
    vesp wrote:
    And anyway, suppose someone goes to lidl looking for refund on used clothing because of fit. Image arguing about "perfect product refunds " over this with someone in lidl ? Would this qualify for perfect product refund ?
    Yes.
    vesp wrote:
    You said "Yes" to the question " lidl will give a refund on used clothing because of fit ? " You wrote " You have 28 days to exchange items as you bought them with your receipt."
    It is not unreasonable to expect a customer to hold their receipt if the expect to get a refund on a perfect product.

    vesp wrote:
    That does not really answer my question. I asked " If you buy food at lidl at it does not taste good or is inedible do you bring it back + go up to the checkout assistant too, and cause a fuss while she goes for her / his supervisor ?"
    And I said it's no fuss to ask for a refund. You are creating barriers for yourself that don't exist.
    vesp wrote:
    I never said lidl was a scam - some products there are fine and reasonable value for money. I even buy things there myself now + again. Usually now the stuff I try to buy there now are branded products, as I have often ( but not always ) been disappointed at the lidl / own brand / not well known brand stuff I bought.
    See the link above for a selection of our own brand products which have been independently tested by others. The truth is that Lidl offers more than some retailers. Check out this months 'Grocery' magazine for more on this ;) Actually, here's the article in full......
    LIDL EPICURE
    An interesting buzz is emanating from one of the country's best known discounters. In many ways, this buzz originated from word-of mouth but either way Lidl has fast become the supermarket du jour for foodies. It may be known for its stack em high layout but Lidl's produce is catching the attention of shoppers from across the socio-economic spectrum. Lidl is now viewed as a refreshing alternative to the big supermarkets. Who needs the free-shopping baskets and neatly stacked shelves of ordinary supermarkets when Lidl offers a pick and mix browse through any number of gastro-thrills at a fraction of the price? A growing number of shoppers take weekly trips to Lidl to buy food-lover- goodies such as prosciutto, ricotta, and any number of excellent olive oil brands, with the added bonus of picking up a bargain. This consumer turnabout is an interesting insight into an alternative shopping culture. No longer sniffed at by middle-class, wanna-be gourmets, Lidl is now the store of choice for many. And it's not just in Ireland; UK customers are at last figuring out that looking beyond piled high pallets can make a difference not only to your pocket but the quality of food you buy. A UK customer satisfaction survey revealed that customers rated Lidl higher than either Tesco or Sainsbury. Lidl initially hit Ireland with a reputation as a hard discounter servicing the supposed deprived demographic and setting up warehouse style stores in less affluent areas. However, this soon changed and not only are you now as likely to see a Mercedes pulling into a Lidl store, it's increasingly likely that the store they're driving into has just opened in an upmarket town or village. Today Lidl and Aldi could be mistaken for property dealers so interested are they in purchasing sites for their stores. How did this happen? Well aside from the obvious quality and bargain aspects, lifestyles have taken a leap forward in Ireland. There are a growing number of young single-households who have different requirements than many conventional supermarkets provide. Many of these have lived-abroad or travelled extensively particularly in Europe where there is less of a snobbish attitude about where you buy your food. These same single-households do not have the desire to shop big but still want good quality ingredients and they don't care whether the store they shop at has pretty aisles with efficient category management. Moreover, as the price of houses spirals beyond the reach of most in big cities like Dublin there is a greater mix of working and middle-classes living among each other. Certain areas which were once considered working class are increasingly egalitarian and multicultural. This may still appear culturally prodigious to many but it is routine in European countries to have an eclectic mix of neighbours comprising lawyers, taxi-drivers, university students, nurses all living side-by-side in the same apartment block or housing estate. This is pushing new and far more interesting ways of shopping, a 'pick and mix' consumerism which is motivated partly by economics and partly by multiculturalism. Many new households may shop for good olive oil, cheese, or Italian meats in Lidl for a fraction of the price they would pay in a deli somewhere in Ranelagh. Similarly the many ethnic stores dotted throughout towns and cities are encouraging people to explore new and interesting cuisine. For instance, kosher food, middle-eastern yogurts, grains and pulses, dark chocolate, herbs and spices, these are all frequently featuring on Irish shopping lists and they are not to be found at conventional supermarkets and corner shops. But they represent a burgeoning demand. The simple fact is conventional supermarkets are not providing enough ethnic choice. This is what is attracting people in their droves to discounters. Census figures show that 10% of the Irish population is from a different culture but retailers still struggle to serve emerging communities and other not so new ones. For instance, Ireland's small Jewish community dates back over a century but despite its deep lineage kosher provision for observant Jews (especially at Passover) isn't meeting the demand in the market. The Jewish community complain that variety is limited and prices are too high and many believe that supermarkets are missing out on a huge business opportunity. We have seen an increasing presence of European food on supermarket shelves but does it still go far enough? In the UK for example, Tesco reported Polish food to be the fastest growing ethnic minority range it has ever launched. Yet In Irish stores Eastern European and other ethnic food is often limited to a small corner or a single aisle. Discounters like Lidl and Aldi are more clued-in when it comes to stocking eclectic food as both are European in origin. They offer an eclectic choice at great prices and they don't make promises they cannot keep. The last statement is especially relevant in relation to the well-known supermarkets and symbols of this country. The service they promise is simply not there. How many of us can recount some ridiculous anecdote off the top of our head in relation to any number of well known supermarkets? Two for the price of one may be a favourite tagline but too often it seems they apply the same principal when it comes to hiring managers because they just don't make them like they used to. Count the amount of times you have asked to speak to the manager in a supermarket to be greeted with the resplendently nasal "Wha" for a reply. These same managers are usually holed up in some corner of the store room out of sight sucking on a Johnny Blue, more interested in assessing the dimensions of their spottiness in the back of a canteen spoon, than dealing with customers. Asking to speak to a manager in a supermarket provokes bewilderment because the shop manager is among the most elusive creatures as to be almost extinct. In short, they are never on the shop floor, ever. When they do make a rare appearance they still don't know where anything is. Or people mistake him for the belligerent security guard and pass him by. There must be a 'supermarket-manager-making-factory' somewhere in the hills where they churn out 20-something year olds in creased suits with the words, "If it's not there, we don't have it" emblazoned across their foreheads. No wonder they have skin problems. One could be mistaken for believing that Irish supermarkets are suffering from any number of phobia's; including claustrophobia - an aversion to dealing with large crowds; obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) – obsessively re-arranging food into different aisles, or a plain old-fashioned case of psychosis - operating three checkouts out of twelve during peak shopping hours. Ever notice there is never a manager available when this happens and as the snaking queues slither deeper into the aisles clashing with other browsing shoppers, you fantasise how better off you'd be living in the 1940's growing veggies in your back garden and grazing a small cow for milk. Ireland must be the only country on the planet where there's a resistance to accommodate hungry shoppers who want to part with their money. We as Irish shoppers have become so used to this we're immune to its blatant unacceptability. However, shops like Lidl are changing all of this. And consumers are voting with their feet, Lidl receives an average of 16,000 customers per week in Ireland. Another factor attracting shoppers to Lidl is plain old value for money. New figures show many Irish people are juggling credit cards and running into money problems left right and centre. Up to 40% of people aged 20-29 hold a credit card and credit card debt among young Irish people has risen by 56% in the last three years. More and more students are simply graduating into debt. The reality for most households is that they are scarcely benefiting from the above trend economic growth that is so often thrown about in the media. The increase in the population's real disposable income lagged behind that of the economy as a whole last year forcing consumers to cut back on spending in order to maintain their standard of living. Families' balance sheets are being stretched more every day. This is not helped by higher borrowing costs which have taken the fizz out of the housing market, upon which some analysts claim rests the country's good economic fortune. Bringing these larger financial factors back to the doorstep of the average household and something has to give and for many the little luxuries will be rubbed off the shopping list. The attraction with Lidl is shoppers can buy indulgent food, cheaply. Lidl is looking better all the time.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    murphaph wrote:
    Vesp. I'm not going to keep repeating myself. If you bring the suit home and it doesn't fit, you bring it back and get a full refund, no questions asked.

    Yes, in that situation, we all know if you bring the suit home and it doesn't fit, you bring it back and get a full refund. This is the least they could offer as they do not offer a changing room to try on the product in the first place. However, how is a newcomer to watersports supposed to know about the fit of a wetsuit ?


    murphaph wrote:
    It is really that simple with Lidl. Why would someone buy a wetsuit and then not maybe try it on before heading off to Spain? You are trying to engineer a situation where the Lidl refund policy fails.

    Who mentioned Spain ? You did. Why ? Supposing someone goes to lidl, buys a wetsuit there, and drives to the beach and uses it. After his swim or surf he is shivering while his buddies are as snug as toast, and he asks them why. They point out his wetsuit is the wrong size, that it does not fit properly. His buddies ask him why all the other wetsuit brands have a much wider range of sizes. Anyway, you said earlier he has up to 28 days to take his suit back to lidl for a refund. Can I quote you on that ?
    murphaph wrote:
    I never said it does.
    Exactly. And as I said it only claims to incorporate some "trispan ultrastretch" in parts of the suit. And most lidl wetsuits do not have any "trispan ultrastretch" or they would claim it.

    murphaph wrote:
    which claims to do the same thing as superstretch.
    Where does it claim to be as good as superstretch , or even do the same thing to the same extent ?

    murphaph wrote:
    You're splitting hairs now because you were originally claiming that all Lidl suits were fabricated of simple bog-standard neoprene and I showed you the specs say otherwise.

    I said I was referring to the 3mm suits lidl had " some weeks ago". These after all, seem to be the type of wetsuit lidl sell the most of. They never had ultrastretch. If they had genuine ultrastretch they would claim it. They do not. Feel the material or better still try it on,( but then again you cannot in lidl ) and compare it to a branded modern wetsuit. Feel the difference.


    murphaph wrote:
    The budget suits do not.
    True, you get what you pay for.

    murphaph wrote:
    Have you actually seen a pair of failed Lidl boots with your own eyes?
    Only one. But then I have not seen many pairs. I am not surprised it broke, nor am I surprised all other manufacturers use a much heavier duty zip nowadays. Big difference between size 10 and size 5 in zips, especially in boots where they can jam with sand + mud etc.
    murphaph wrote:
    I see all faulty returns.
    Great. What about the plastic zip sliders on the back of the budget suits - did you refund all of these which broke ? Did you classify these as "perfect product refunds ", or were they refunded or replaced at all ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    vesp wrote:
    Yes, in that situation, we all know if you bring the suit home and it doesn't fit, you bring it back and get a full refund. This is the least they could offer as they do not offer a changing room to try on the product in the first place. However, how is a newcomer to watersports supposed to know about the fit of a wetsuit ?
    Erm, you put it on and if it doesn't fit-it doesn't fit. Simple enough I'd have thought.
    vesp wrote:
    Who mentioned Spain ? You did. Why ? Supposing someone goes to lidl, buys a wetsuit there, and drives to the beach and uses it. After his swim or surf he is shivering while his buddies are as snug as toast, and he asks them why. They point out his wetsuit is the wrong size, that it does not fit properly. His buddies ask him why all the other wetsuit brands have a much wider range of sizes. Anyway, you said earlier he has up to 28 days to take his suit back to lidl for a refund. Can I quote you on that ?
    Are you reading my replies? I already said YES to that exact question. Have the courtessy to read my answers please.
    vesp wrote:
    Exactly. And as I said it only claims to incorporate some "trispan ultrastretch" in parts of the suit. And most lidl wetsuits do not have any "trispan ultrastretch" or they would claim it
    Yes vesp. This point is not in dispute. The higher priced Lidl suits contain it. The budget ones do not.
    vesp wrote:
    Where does it claim to be as good as superstretch , or even do the same thing to the same extent ?
    Perhaps if you provide a link to the superstretch manufacturers website to have a look at the specs of that material we can begin a comparison. For all you or I know ot may outperform superstretch!
    vesp wrote:
    I said I was referring to the 3mm suits lidl had " some weeks ago". These after all, seem to be the type of wetsuit lidl sell the most of. They never had ultrastretch. If they had genuine ultrastretch they would claim it. They do not. Feel the material or better still try it on,( but then again you cannot in lidl ) and compare it to a branded modern wetsuit. Feel the difference.
    Again, not in dispute. the budget suits do not claim to be made of anything more than neoprene.
    vesp wrote:
    True, you get what you pay for.
    Sometimes you do. Sometimes expensive things fail too ;)
    vesp wrote:
    Only one. But then I have not seen many pairs. I am not surprised it broke, nor am I surprised all other manufacturers use a much heavier duty zip nowadays. Big difference between size 10 and size 5 in zips, especially in boots where they can jam with sand + mud etc.
    All I can say is that I haven't seen any boots returned and indeed all I have heard is praise from divers about the boots. They are actually the most popular item in that range and sold out in a matter of hours.
    vesp wrote:
    Great. What about the plastic zip sliders on the back of the budget suits - did you refund all of these which broke ?
    None have been returned for this. if they were then of course Lidl would refund the purchase price.
    vesp wrote:
    Did you classify these as "perfect product refunds ", or were they refunded or replaced at all ?
    None returned faulty so far but of course a faulty item doesn't fall under the 'perfect product' refund. It is just faulty and we don't apply the 28 day limit on faulty items.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    "how is a newcomer to watersports supposed to know about the fit of a wetsuit ?" ( given that they cannot even try on the wetsuit in lidl, unlike anywhere else they want to spend their cash )
    murphaph wrote:
    Erm, you put it on and if it doesn't fit-it doesn't fit. Simple enough I'd have thought.

    Touche ! A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Yopu already confessed you are not a watersports person. You obviously do not know anything about the fit of wetsuits, or the importance of correct sizing etc. I do not blame the poor Chinese workers who made the suits in such a limited range of sizes for lidl ( why do you think other manufacturers make many more sizes ? ). I do not blame the poor lidl employee doing his / her job. I just feel sorry for the poor people who got ill fitting wetsuits which they get cold in, and like you who know no better. You now even claim no suits have been returned to lidl with broken plastic zip sliders, which I know is not the case. I see no point in continuing this thread as why should I educate you if you do not even tell the truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,205 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    I haven't read any of the replies here, apart from the first few, and I saw something about a return policy.

    I bought a wetsuit, it was too big. I had the receipt, and I brought it back. The manager didn't even ask, just handed me back my money. As I was walking out he asked was it just a wrong fit and I said 'Yes'. He said 'Grand so, we can just put it back on the shelf'

    For this reason I shop a LOT at Lidl/Aldi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    vesp wrote:
    Touche ! A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Yopu already confessed you are not a watersports person. You obviously do not know anything about the fit of wetsuits, or the importance of correct sizing etc. I do not blame the poor Chinese workers who made the suits in such a limited range of sizes for lidl ( why do you think other manufacturers make many more sizes ? ). I do not blame the poor lidl employee doing his / her job. I just feel sorry for the poor people who got ill fitting wetsuits which they get cold in, and like you who know no better. You now even claim no suits have been returned to lidl with broken plastic zip sliders, which I know is not the case. I see no point in continuing this thread as why should I educate you if you do not even tell the truth.
    I see ALL returns into my district of 4 stores. I haven't seen any. Perhaps some have been returned to some of the other 81 stores. I have had more people today tell me how great the suits are and one fella buying a second one. Seems like these people bought, tried and liked. john Cleary is proof that Lidl will just give you your money back. I wonder how easy it is t get a refund at a specialist shop once you've bought. I bet any money it is not as easy as Lidl.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭vesp


    murphaph wrote:
    Perhaps some have been returned to some of the other 81 stores.
    No perhaps about it, I know for a fact some have. And I know many people who had faulty items who did not bother returning them as they would not have bothered keeping the receipt and like many Irish people do not like complaining anyway....as one said it is easier just to throw away the cheap old product than go up to and argue with a spotty young checkout assistant in lidl. Example ; someone I was talking to last week mentioned the "sailing knife they bought last year in lidl had gone rusty. Did they return it months after they bought it ? They laughed.
    One previous experience of disturbing a checkout assistant in lidl over something else, trying to get a supervisor + explain the situation over something they no longer stocked was enough to put them off.
    murphaph wrote:
    I have had more people today tell me how great the suits are and one fella buying a second one.

    lol. Did the first one not last that long ? Or did he ever try on any other maker of modern wetsuit ... and feel the difference ?
    Besides, one swallow does not make the summer. This alledged " fella" probably thought the suit was great compared to what , wearing cardboard ? Ask any experienced surfer for example what they think of the lidl suits.. even for beginners. I think their opinion may shock you.
    murphaph wrote:
    john Cleary is proof that Lidl will just give you your money back.

    the internet poster john cleary...yes, nobody denied lidl would not give you your money back under certain circumstances. Did he work at lidl too...after all, you said earlier lidl would take the suit back if it was used in the water ...the manager did not ask "john cleary" that ...in fact as he ( quote ) " was walking out he asked was it just a wrong fit and ( john cleary ) said 'Yes'. He said 'Grand so, we can just put it back on the shelf'" end of quote. Would the manager have checked if the suit was worn in the water before he put it back on the shelf ? Do lidl often sell used suits as new ?

    Anyway, I have enough said on this topic. I qualified as a waterports instructor years before many of the lidl staff were even born, and believe me I have seen, used and tested a lot of kit over the years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,205 ✭✭✭✭JohnCleary


    Can anyone summarise for me why this thread has gotten so bitchy? Is it the Lidl return policy, or the quality of the wetsuits?

    IMHO, as I said before, absolutily NEVER had a problem returning stuff to Lidl. I returned a torch to Lidl before because it was fooked when I bought it, again asked no questions, just gave me my money back.

    Oh BTW, when I returned the wetsuit... I bought it in Sligo, and returned it in Galway. I was so pleasantly surprised at this, I was expecting them to say I would have to return it to Sligo, but that wasn't a problem (Yes they looked at the receipt)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,989 ✭✭✭✭murphaph


    JohnCleary wrote:
    Can anyone summarise for me why this thread has gotten so bitchy? Is it the Lidl return policy, or the quality of the wetsuits?
    I don't know. I don't think vesp has actually bought a lidl wetsuit by the sounds of it so I don't know what qualifies him to condemn them from a height. The only information I have is that I have sold them to hundreds of people without complaint. Maybe vesp has a vesped interest lol.
    JohnCleary wrote:
    Oh BTW, when I returned the wetsuit... I bought it in Sligo, and returned it in Galway. I was so pleasantly surprised at this, I was expecting them to say I would have to return it to Sligo, but that wasn't a problem (Yes they looked at the receipt)
    That's policy. It all goes back to the same warehouse so we choose not to make life difficult for our customers.


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