Romanian beggers

Blondie86Star

I'm so bloody sick of them. Was having lunch in Lemon today (Dawson st) and 6 came up in the space of 30 mins. They seem to be sending their kids in now to beg, when you're having a meal/drink its the most anoying thing in the world. I've gottento the stage now of telling them to f**k off. They're all over the place especially grafton st,dawson st.

aidan_walsh

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055103897
May as well keep all the bile in one thread.

flogen

Blondie86Star wrote:

I'm so bloody sick of them. Was having lunch in Lemon today (Dawson st) and 6 came up in the space of 30 mins. They seem to be sending their kids in now to beg, when you're having a meal/drink its the most anoying thing in the world. I've gottento the stage now of telling them to f**k off. They're all over the place especially grafton st,dawson st.

Yeah, I much prefer the passive beggars - you know the ones that stay in one place and don't interrupt my life? Or the ones that are easy to pass by once you've gotten used to blocking their voices out (I find headphones a lifesaver in this situation).

I mean, that's the reason why I love Irish beggars. They just stand in the corner and keep themselves to themselves. I personally have never had an Irish beggar approach me for money - just the other day I wasn't approached twice by the same guy in the space of ten minutes on St. Stephen's Green. And a few weeks ago I wasn't hassled for "money for a hostel" while waiting for the bus on Westmorland St. Thank God for Irish beggars.

As for getting their kids to beg too, well that's just fúcking sickening. I mean again, it's why I love Irish beggars.

They'd never stoop to the level of forcing their kids to beg, or carrying their infant children with them as they ask for your change, sure they wouldn't? I mean, I've never crossing O'Connell Bridge and seen a couple of kids begging there, just like I've never been approached by a female beggar on Dawson St. holding her baby. Never. Ever. It just doesn't happen.

The reason for both of these things is that Irish beggars have got class, you see. They'd never stoop so low. As the saying goes, "they're poor but they're honest". Frankly, and I think the OP will agree with me here, what we need is more Irish homeless people on the street.

DublinWriter

Firstly, they're not Romanian, they're "Roma".

Secondly, using kids as begging props should be a deportable offence.

MooseJam

It's only female Roma who beg, what do all the male's do, do they all have jobs.

rkeane

I totally agree....romanians in general are lovely hard working people. These Roma are absolute scum. I also agree...getting kids to walk between lines of traffic and beg should lead to instant deportation. Dam scum the lot of them.

:|

Hate them. I think that if there's a kid begging with them then they should be taken off them, clearly they don't have the means to support a child if they're begging. Although they probably are actually rolling in it but then they shouldn't be scamming us out of money.

mloc

It is indeed not romanians but Romas. It's a cultural thing, the women and children are forced to beg.

It's annoying to see them tarred as just "eastern europeans"; most of my eastern european friends detest Roma's more than Irish people do.

Binomate

I'm not racist... but.

flogen

wrote:

Although they probably are actually rolling in it but then they shouldn't be scamming us out of money.

Damn right - those asylum seekers get loads of money - tonnes of the stuff. Way more than the Irish get. Way, way more.

And they have really sophisticated scams too. I heard a story once from a friend of a friend about them. One of them came up to him and asked for some spare change and he said "ok", and put his hand in his pocket and gave them, like a euro or something. And then they walked off.
These kinds of scam artists should be sent back to the warzones they came from tbh. They just haven't got the same class or decency as the Irish beggars.

o1s1n

Binomate wrote:

I'm not racist... but.

:rolleyes:

mloc

Binomate wrote:

I'm not racist... but.

Racism is a term which has been hijacked by the uberPC left to include sensible and justified dislike for social groups who's so called culture and traditions are entirely anathema to those of an integrated, progressive society.

flogen

mloc wrote:

Racism is a term which has been hijacked by the uberPC left to include sensible and justified dislike for social groups who's so called culture and traditions are entirely anathema to those of an integrated, progressive society.

You're right - there's nothing racist about what these people are saying. It's not like they're expressing their disgust at one ethnic group for their actions while ignoring another ethic group who do the exact same thing.

These people's culture is all about begging, and begging with children. That's not the Irish way, though.

I mean, if it were, we'd all be the first to call them on it, right?

Binomate

mloc wrote:

Racism is a term which has been hijacked by the uberPC left to include sensible and justified dislike for social groups who's so called culture and traditions are entirely anathema to those of an integrated, progressive society.

I didn't even read what you wrote, but I'll assume you're a racist.

zuutroy

Whats all this Roma craic? When did this happen?

Guy:Incognito

flogen wrote:

You're right - there's nothing racist about what these people are saying. It's not like they're expressing their disgust at one ethnic group for their actions while ignoring another ethic group who do the exact same thing.

These people's culture is all about begging, and begging with children. That's not the Irish way, though.

I mean, if it were, we'd all be the first to call them on it, right?

Well done, you overloaded that sarcasm meter with every post you've written today.

The fact is, not one person here has had a good dealing with any of these Roma gysies/knackers/generally dislikeable people. I honestly dont care if you label me racist , so that saves you the need to post again.

As for your second paragraph, take out the childish sarcasm and its true. For christ sake, other romanians havnt even seen any of these people actually work before. It is in their culture to beg/steal/whatever. There are a certain percentage of Irish people who beg/steal etc, but not aywhere near the percentage as with Roma's.

So get off youy soapbox and stop defending the indefenceable.

BigTommyBomb

If you think we Irish aren't very understanding of their lifestyle then you haven't talked to many other central europeans. They really hate them.

mloc

Binomate wrote:

I didn't even read what you wrote, but I'll assume you're a racist.

Assume what you like. I dislike every Roma I've ever met, and if that makes me a racist, sign me up.

mikemac

MooseJam wrote:

It's only female Roma who beg, what do all the male's do, do they all have jobs.

The men plays instruments like the accordian or trumpet................badly.
I'm suprised you've never seen them

I'm going to assume you were only joking about them having proper jobs.

homah_7ft

Do you work out the ethnicity of every person you meet? If not how do you know you didn't meet a Roma person who you liked but didn't know they were Roma?

flogen

Stekelly wrote:

Well done, you overloaded that sarcasm meter with every post you've written today.

The fact is, not one person here has had a good dealing with any of these Roma gysies/knackers/generally dislikeable people. I honestly dont care if you label me racist , so that saves you the need to post again.

As for your second paragraph, take out the childish sarcasm and its true. For christ sake, other romanians havnt even seen any of these people actually work before. It is in their culture to beg/steal/whatever. There are a certain percentage of Irish people who beg/steal etc, but not aywhere near the percentage as with Roma's.

So get off youy soapbox and stop defending the indefenceable.

So I overdose on the sarcasm and you still don't get it? That says a lot about you.

Oh, and read up on the origins of the Roma before you try to justify your stance by claiming that you're not alone in taking it. (Here's a hint, they're not the same as Romanians or Romans).

And nice use of anecdotal evidence, by the way. That is, of course, unless you've got some surveys involving Irish and Romanian opinion on Roma, and have studied the rate of crime involving Roma people compared to any other ethnic group. If that's the case, maybe you could back what your saying up here.

markk06

Binomate wrote:

I didn't even read what you wrote, but I'll assume you're a racist.

Dont take it out on him just because you cannot understand him...
Surely racism implies an irrational hatred for a group of people... Hating somebody because they use their children as pawns to guilt people into handing over money it perfectly acceptable in my opinion. Also the aggresive attitude they take whilst begging also annoys me.. "Next time you try to wash my windscreen when i say no i'll run you over"

How can the government justify allowing them into the country when they have no assets, no work permits and so social welfare entitlements.. F*** off i say!

Binomate

markk06 wrote:

Dont take it out on him just because you cannot understand him...
Surely racism implies an irrational hatred for a group of people... Hating somebody because they use their children as pawns to guilt people into handing over money it perfectly acceptable in my opinion. Also the aggresive attitude they take whilst begging also annoys me.. "Next time you try to wash my windscreen when i say no i'll run you over"

How can the government justify allowing them into the country when they have no assets, no work permits and so social welfare entitlements.. F*** off i say!

You're defending a racist, you're obviously a racist.

marco murphy

A lot of racism here like. And I notice someone saying the Eastern Europeans hate them, that is indeed true. They have the same problems in Lithuania or what have you.

masseyno9

A few of them appear to live near me, used to get the bus to college and they'd be getting on it. Pocketfuls of change at the ready. I hate their blatantly ignorant attitude, kids screaming on the bus and climbing all over the place without so much as a word from the parent(s). Also, they had fairly up to date video mobile phones and gold teeth. If you are really as poor as you appear to be suggesting, sell your fcuking teeth!!

I always got the impression they had specific begging 'sites' they went to, because i've seen them on a couple of different bus routes.

Also, re: using kids as begging tools. a guy in my class in college was assigned to study merchants arch in 1st year. He sat there for a couple of days sketching and takin notes etc. he noticed there was a team of beggars (irish) that had a baby that they passed around. They did shifts begging in the arch with the baby. Still a disgrace, but not just the romas that do it.

JoeSchmoe

I don't know what you call it, ethnicity is not an issue but what is a hard solid fact is that since the new year the streets of Dublin City Centre have been flooded with dark skinned people in gypsy style dress who beg either by approaching people or sitting around with lost/deformed limbs on show or busk with trumpets and accordians or they are generally hanging around the streets with no particualr place to go.

the upshot is there are a lot more beggars/vagrants, of whatever origin, around Dublin these days, other parts of the country I can't speak for

Blondie86Star

Binomate wrote:

You're defending a racist, you're obviously a racist.

Thats real petty, I cant stand the way people are not entitled to state their opinions about certain groups in society, that lets face it are anoying f***ers, without being classified as racist

nesf

Binomate wrote:

You're defending a racist, you're obviously a racist.

Quit trolling.

nesf

Blondie86Star wrote:

Thats real petty, I cant stand the way people are not entitled to state their opinions about certain groups in society, that lets face it are anoying f***ers, without being classified as racist

See this is my thing. If you were annoyed only because they were Roma then yeah you'd be a racist. However, if you are like me, and detest anyone forcibly begging or demanding money from you then you're not a racist imho.

The problem is that people start generalising out beyond that and talking **** which is what gets people's backs up.


Edit: That all said, I've had Irish and British guys annoy me by begging so it does happen. Although, it's only ever happened to me in Dublin....

Tusky

I dont see it as racism at all. Walking through town at around 5 every day is like an assault course trying to avoid them. They are very aggressive in their begging. I gave one lady some change one day and she started shouting "MORE MORE" pointing at my wallet. She had a kid begging with her aswell. While I was dealing with her a couple more came up behind me and started shouting at me in some strange language. They stood in my way and I had to literally force my way past them to get by. Two out of three of them had gold teeth. Disgusting.

marco murphy

Ta failte romhat agus get da Fu*ck out of me face.

flogen

nesf wrote:

See this is my thing. If you were annoyed only because they were Roma then yeah you'd be a racist. However, if you are like me, and detest anyone forcibly begging or demanding money from you then you're not a racist imho.

The problem is that people start generalising out beyond that and talking **** which is what gets people's backs up.

Well this is the point I was making by being sarcastic - people are giving out about Roma doing things that Irish beggars do as well, but only 1 poster has even mentioned that here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending aggressive beggars and I get pissed off at them too, but I see plenty of Irish doing it and plenty of Irish using kids as props - that's nothing new either.

As far as I'm concerned there are plenty of people posting in this thread who are racist and maybe they just don't realise it yet. There are also plenty of people who think they know everything about the situation when they haven't the first clue.

nesf

flogen wrote:

As far as I'm concerned there are plenty of people posting in this thread who are racist and maybe they just don't realise it yet. There are also plenty of people who think they know everything about the situation when they haven't the first clue.

Actually it's relatively interesting. The people who get annoyed by the Roma aren't your typical racist "they're taking our jobs!" people. What you're seeing is a situation where the majority of people's interactions with these people are negative and there's a build of opinion because of it. It is completely rational for people to be complaining about a group of people they only ever see doing, what is considered in this society, to be negative. The problem is that some people will take this and "run with it".

Sparky

Had the same crew come around my area a few times a while ago

Day 1: Mother. Gave €2 and thought that was that

Day 2: Child with some sort of fund raising chart for a school in Walkinstown. So my dad gave €5 and noticed alot of signatures on it, so he thought it was legit.

Later that day, I notice the same child handing over money to mother from day 1. So I realise that the fundraising was a fraud. Everyone on the street was done.

Day 3: Mother calls again. Door shut on her, she sticks her foot in the way. So calling of gardai is threatened.

Day 4: She calls again with 3 kids. Same bullcrap. I reach for mobile to say Im calling the law.

Day 5: I notice the same woman, (who is meant to be poor remember) getting out of an 04 fiat punto.

I'm sure they are netting a fair bit from thriving on peoples kind gestures.

TO add to it, one of her kids (maybe not hers) will follow you while you walk from your home to car begging at you.

David Michael

flogen wrote:

Well this is the point I was making by being sarcastic - people are giving out about Roma doing things that Irish beggars do as well, but only 1 poster has even mentioned that here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending aggressive beggars and I get pissed off at them too, but I see plenty of Irish doing it and plenty of Irish using kids as props - that's nothing new either.

As far as I'm concerned there are plenty of people posting in this thread who are racist and maybe they just don't realise it yet. There are also plenty of people who think they know everything about the situation when they haven't the first clue.

I wish I was as clever as you Flogen.

I hate Irish beggers. I hate the fact that our society is that way inclined so as they are in existance. Considering the billions in tax etc. I am sure we could do something.

I hate Romanian and immigrant beggers even more. I'd like to post lots of real clever sociodemopoltkklity data to back up my dislike but it does not exist. just don't like em. I couldn't care less if I am a racist for it.

woe is me.

I do like the nice folks who clean my windscreen for free at lunch time on the Naas road. Sometimes I think they want money but I can't understand exactly what they do be saying. Maybe they are wishing me a safe trip?

flogen

nesf wrote:

Actually it's relatively interesting. The people who get annoyed by the Roma aren't your typical racist "they're taking our jobs!" people. What you're seeing is a situation where the majority of people's interactions with these people are negative and there's a build of opinion because of it. It is completely rational for people to be complaining about a group of people they only ever see doing, what is considered in this society, to be negative. The problem is that some people will take this and "run with it".

That's true.

Of course this is all part of the overarching issue with racism - it's all about perception not reality... In other words, a guy might pass 100 black guys on the street who in their own lives are working hard, decent people, paying taxes etc. Then they go into a shop and there's one there who's loud, arrogant, abrasive and verbally abusive to anyone who looks at him funny. Of course he's not representative of black people, but he's the only one that'll be noticed/rememberd of the 101 the guy passed that day. That happens a few times and ignorant people start to build up some kind of perception.

Sure, there are plenty of these people on the street, using kids as props and being aggressive. I hate it. But I'm not willing to fall into the trap of assuming that they must all be like that, because there's quite probably a silent majority who are playing fair - whatever their legal status may be. Some posters here just seem to believe that the Roma don't work, all beg and are natural thieves.

Another perception issue is the lack of education. Forget about their tactics (and let's not condone them) but people never ask why they might be begging. They see the gold teeth and think they're well off, which shows complete cultural ignorance. They believe the stories about free housing, free cars, free buggies. They think asylum seekers and refugees get a load of money when they don't.

I just find it funny that it's always the asylum seekers who are coming here and scamming the welfare system (and getting all these fictional benefits), but no-one mentions the Irish doing the same thing. Or these Roma beggars using kids as props and how disgraceful it is, and no-one mentions the Irish doing it too. Or the fact that a lot of these beggars probably aren't homeless or needy at all, and no-one mentions the Irish who are the exact same.

I know the reason why - because in Ireland people deal with so many white Irish on a daily basis they know that the majority of them are decent, honest people. So they don't/can't put it down to a cultural thing. But it's far harder to mix with Roma people and their only experience with them is usually when a few of them harrass them on the street for money. They've nothing to counter that with so the ignorant then assume it must be what they all do - it's a cultural thing. Basically, it's total laziness.

Jumpy

The full name for them is Romany, people disliking them will not bother them in the slightest. There were some parts of eastern europe where they were sometimes even shot at.
It is their way of life, and like travellers they are in their own circle. Noone settled is going to understand what they do, and they dont care what you think.
Many other countries have problems with them, but unless they affect you directly rather than being only an annoyance I wouldnt worry. There are bigger problems out there.

flogen

David Michael wrote:

I wish I was as clever as you Flogen.

I hate Irish beggers. I hate the fact that our society is that way inclined so as they are in existance. Considering the billions in tax etc. I am sure we could do something.

I hate Romanian and immigrant beggers even more. I'd like to post lots of real clever sociodemopoltkklity data to back up my dislike but it does not exist. just don't like em. I couldn't care less if I am a racist for it.

woe is me.

I do like the nice folks who clean my windscreen for free at lunch time on the Naas road. Sometimes I think they want money but I can't understand exactly what they do be saying. Maybe they are wishing me a safe trip?

Fair enough, you're racist (or maybe just plain ignorant, I'm no judge) - at least you can be honest about it rather than trying to justify it with fictional reasons.

Out of interest, why do you hate immigrant beggars more than Irish beggars?

And thanks for the patronising comment - it certainly served your argument well.

David Michael

flogen wrote:

Fair enough, you're racist (or maybe just plain ignorant, I'm no judge) - at least you can be honest about it rather than trying to justify it with fictional reasons.

Maybe I am. If I am born this way you will have to learn to love me. Pretend I am a homosexual?

flogen wrote:

Out of interest, why do you hate immigrant beggars more than Irish beggars?

No idea. Just do. Why do I like really strong chedder but can't stand that smelly sock type stuff? And why don't I like Celery? And why does anybody like either?

These are questions I ask myself daily. Daily!

flogen wrote:

And thanks for the patronising comment - it certainly served your argument well.

I don't do patronising comments. Too ignorant to even know what you mean I'm afraid.

flogen

David Michael wrote:

Maybe I am. If I am born this way you will have to learn to love me. Pretend I am a homosexual?

Great to see your ignorance extends to other realms.
I'm going to have to reject your comparison of attraction and hatred. It's not a matter of genetics - I couldn't care less if homosexuals are born as they are or make their mind up at a later date (although I believe it's the former).. reason being that their sexual preference doesn't do anyone any harm. Hatred and racism can and does, though.

No idea. Just do. Why do I like really strong chedder but can't stand that smelly sock type stuff? And why don't I like Celery? And why does anybody like either?

These are questions I ask myself daily. Daily!

Yeah. They're the same.

I don't do patronising comments. Too ignorant to even know what you mean I'm afraid.

Don't worry, you'll figure it out some day.
(that was a patronising comment, by the way. I'm telling you because you may not have realised it yourself).

xha1r

flogen wrote:

Well this is the point I was making by being sarcastic - people are giving out about Roma doing things that Irish beggars do as well, but only 1 poster has even mentioned that here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending aggressive beggars and I get pissed off at them too, but I see plenty of Irish doing it and plenty of Irish using kids as props - that's nothing new either.

As far as I'm concerned there are plenty of people posting in this thread who are racist and maybe they just don't realise it yet. There are also plenty of people who think they know everything about the situation when they haven't the first clue.

Get a life. The majority of Roma's are scum, just like the majority of traveller's. Enough of them are scum for people to label the group "scum" imo.

The difference between travellers and the Roma's is the fact the Irish traveller's are born here, whilst lazy b*stards in most cases, they have a right to be here.

On the other hand, we have the useless Roma's who contribute nothing to our society but a negative and nervy atmosphere wherever they are.

Call me racist, and call the 100,000's of Irish who I'm sure have a disliking for this particular ethnic group racist while you're at it.

G Luxel

Ive seen these beggars too. The Irish beggar just sits there and has a macdonalds cup with a few coins in it. He/she may be 25 but looks 65.
As for the dress scene, its all the same style with them, they dont have a fashion style.:)
The Roma beggar usually is breast feeding a baby for like 3 days non-stop.
Then they are asking to clean your windscreen but only God knows what in that windowlene bottle, could be their Urine sample....:)
And then there is the beggar with more gold in their mouth than the Irish reserve in the National bank. There is always a note probably written by some counter assistant in Simon.:)
Personally I dont give any money to them and therefore I dont get any abuse from them.

LovelyTom

mloc wrote:

sign me up.

Yerr me too! haven't met one decent one...

Thinkingaboutit

It is really hard to think of an instance where an interaction with one of them involves anything other than aggressive begging. One tactic is that when a housewife is at home, a group of them will come begging to the door. Whatever other East Europeans might be criticised for, be it supposed bad driving or somesuch, they do pay their way. I doubt Romanians themselves like that people equate them with Roma. Roma=Romanian for most Irish people.

flogen

xha1r wrote:

Get a life. The majority of Roma's are scum, just like the majority of traveller's. Enough of them are scum for people to label the group "scum" imo.

The difference between travellers and the Roma's is the fact the Irish traveller's are born here, whilst lazy b*stards in most cases, they have a right to be here.

On the other hand, we have the useless Roma's who contribute nothing to our society but a negative and nervy atmosphere wherever they are.

Call me racist, and call the 100,000's of Irish who I'm sure have a disliking for this particular ethnic group racist while you're at it.

Case in point.

David Michael

flogen wrote:

Great to see your ignorance extends to other realms.
I'm going to have to reject your comparison of attraction and hatred. It's not a matter of genetics - I couldn't care less if homosexuals are born as they are or make their mind up at a later date (although I believe it's the former).. reason being that their sexual preference doesn't do anyone any harm. Hatred and racism can and does, though.

I am not sure I understand you. I merely don't like beggers. I have an even stronger dislike for Romanian ones. I hate beggers actually. I hate even more that society makes them or rather "it" exists.

Just winding you up with the homo remark though but I should point out for the record a homosexual child rapist who has raped a child would be considered having done harm. Buit no doubt they don't exist so neither does their sexual preference so your point stands. Regardless I just threw it in there for fun more so than anything else.

As for cheese and celery being the same. I feel you need to investigate that further. Once done.... if you can help me get over my hate for the smelly cheese I'd really appreciate it. I don't want to upset all the smelly cheese lovers.

Kinda sad that I am now a racsit for not likeing Romanian beggers more than Irish ones, smelly cheese and celery.

I may need therapy. Possibly join a club or something. Always liked the look of Archery.

/Goes off to google.

David Michael

http://www.archery.ie/

Soon I'll be all mended!!!!

Garret

there's a romanian kid who generally sits at the atm beside tower recs begging

chap has a mobile phone, brand new runners

stole about a 5 out of a buskers guitar case too

mloc

Thinkingaboutit wrote:

Roma=Romanian for most Irish people.

This is the sad part. Romanian people, for the most part, dress, act and look exactly like irish people.

Most romanian people I've met (e.g. non-Romas) were decent people.

SligoBrewer

xha1r wrote:

Get a life. The majority of Roma's are scum, just like the majority of traveller's. Enough of them are scum for people to label the group "scum" imo.

[borat] Do not shrink me gypsy, all i want is your tears.[/borat]:D

flogen

David Michael wrote:

I am not sure I understand you. I merely don't like beggers. I have an even stronger dislike for Romanian ones. I hate beggers actually. I hate even more that society makes them or rather "it" exists.

Yeah, hating what forces people to beg is fair enough, as is hating the individual beggars who use scumbag tactics - I'm just trying to figure why you generally hate non-Irish beggars more than Irish beggars. I mean, Irish beggars do the same shítty tactics and can be just as dishonest as the rest and I've seen plenty of Roma beggars who just sit on the street with a paper cup too. I see no reason to draw lines just because they look different and I see no reason to assume that one beggar is representative of all beggars who look similar.

Frankly I don't give money to any beggars for a number of reasons, it doesn't matter what tactics they use on me.

Just winding you up with the homo remark though but I should point out for the record a homosexual child rapist who has raped a child would be considered having done harm. Buit no doubt they don't exist so neither does their sexual preference so your point stands. Regardless I just threw it in there for fun more so than anything else.

Well sadly I'm sure homosexual child rapists do exist, but it's not their homosexuality that causes the harm, it's their paedophilic rapist tendencies that do.

As for cheese and celery being the same. I feel you need to investigate that further. Once done.... if you can help me get over my hate for the smelly cheese I'd really appreciate it. I don't want to upset all the smelly cheese lovers.

Your best bet is to stay in a room with some smelly cheese for a week - you'll be assimilated then. But I don't think the cheese will take too much offense if you continue to hate it.

Kinda sad that I am now a racsit for not likeing Romanian beggers more than Irish ones, smelly cheese and celery.

Isn't it just. Enjoy the archery.