Best .22 lr rounds

fred funk }{

I have just taken up target shooting, nothing serious, just shooting paper targets. I have used several type of rounds at this stage and I'm getting very different outcomes with each type.

The fast ones seem to be OK with at least one in five completely off target, I have used different velocity rounds from subs to HV's but I cant seem to get any consistency at all. I know my wonky newby arms are responsible for some of the fliers but surely not them all.

What rounds do you guys use that gives you good consistency?

Is there that much difference in rounds from one type to another?

Is it true that "you get what you pay for" when buying .22 lr rounds?

Many thanks

Silver.

Umiq88

You def get what you pay for generally good quaility subs are the way to go.

Really its whatever works in your rifle some cheap stuff could shoot well in one rifle and terribly in another.

Eleys and lapua are def worth a look

bunny shooter

buy some of every brand you can. for target shooting you are better off with 'solids'.

Lapua Master, Eley EPS are best in my rifle. They are approx €9 for 50 rds....

maglite

the diference n group sixes between lapua midras m and master was negligable compaired to standard club

bunny shooter

have you tries the "bean tin" lapua standard ?

maglite

bunny shooter wrote:

have you tries the "bean tin" lapua standard ?

thats the standard club

bunny shooter

ya, comes in tins of 500, referred to as a "beantin"...........

Citizen_Erased

Id say value for money wise tis hard to beat winchester subs or lapua anything like that , i'd swear by them for day to day stuff.
Beware the "beantins" , i had some really cheap rounds once just out of curiosity , champion or something and they stuck in the chamber like you wouldn't believe - they actually broke a chip of the extractor pin of my gun . So while i save a few bob on the rounds themselves I have damaged my gun in the process:(

rrpc

Silver Knight wrote:

I have just taken up target shooting, nothing serious, just shooting paper targets. I have used several type of rounds at this stage and I'm getting very different outcomes with each type.

The fast ones seem to be OK with at least one in five completely off target, I have used different velocity rounds from subs to HV's but I cant seem to get any consistency at all. I know my wonky newby arms are responsible for some of the fliers but surely not them all.

What rounds do you guys use that gives you good consistency?

Is there that much difference in rounds from one type to another?

Is it true that "you get what you pay for" when buying .22 lr rounds?

Many thanks

Silver.

If you use a good quality target round like Lapua Master or Eley Match, then the only remaining possible causes of your fliers are you or your rifle.

bunny shooter

had americam eagle recently €2.30 for 50 rds. was excellent.... 5 rds clipping 1 hole at 50 yards.....and functioned realibly in my rifle

bunny shooter

any other info on makes of ammo tried ????

.243

bunny shooter wrote:

had americam eagle recently €2.30 for 50 rds. was excellent.... 5 rds clipping 1 hole at 50 yards.....and functioned realibly in my rifle

thought american eagle ammo was 40 in a box ???

fred funk }{

I too am starting out rifling shooting, in fact I have a CZ .22. I have used several types of bullets over the past few weeks. Federal bulk pack 325 for 20 euro are a complete waste of time for target shooting, very inaccurate but good value if plinking.

I have also used CCI stingers which have a good punch but again are inaccurate but not as bad as the Federals, I think these are for hunting rather than targets.

The best for me so far were the CCI subs, very accurate. So I think that if you want accuracy stick with subsonics.

bullets

While shooting Club rifles I got great results from shooting the standard
club rounds Lapua clib rounds at 4.50 Euro.

When I switched to the Match Grade Laupua at around 6.50 per box
of 50 I noticed that they were not as accurate in the club rifles.
and as subs you sometimes could actuall see the round in your field of view
just before it hit the target.

out of any brands I have heard CCI are the worst but I dont
have any proof or evindence of that remark.

~B

fred funk }{

bunny shooter wrote:

had americam eagle recently €2.30 for 50 rds. was excellent.... 5 rds clipping 1 hole at 50 yards.....and functioned realibly in my rifle

Thats cheap, where did you get them?

Banjax

Lapua club, or Eley club are very fine target cartridges.

Midas, Tenex, Fed. Gold are superb but very expensive in comparison.

Sparks

Depends on what you're shooting at and what you're shooting at it with.
What are we talking here Silver, silhouettes with a CZ? ISSF targets with an Anschutz? Bunnies with a Ruger? Paper targets with a Browning Buckmark?

I mean, for ISSF stuff, I'd stick with batch tested RWS R50 if I had the money and Lapua Master otherwise (used to be Multimatch before they stopped making it), but that's in an Anschutz 2013. I wouldn't waste the money on a 10/22, I'd stick with something else like the Lapua semi-auto stuff.

the hunter

out of any brands I have heard CCI are the worst but I dont
have any proof or evindence of that remark.

~B[/QUOTE]
i have to agree with bullets the cci are bad i got a load of them and i had a problem with everyone of them they kept jamming ... i find the winchesters and eley subs are excelllent .. .

Vegeta

I found cci subs accurate enough for hunting but difficult to close the bolt on them in my cz452 lux

was at the range on sunday and tried lapua club, complete tripe in my rifle. Would have been better off firing a shotgun at the target. I wouldn't even use them for hunting they were so bad

Eley subs again I have found to be adequate for hunting.

CJhaughey

Ammo is very subjective even in different rifles from the same manufacturer.
I have found Lapua Superclub to be good and accurate in my Anschutz.

the hunter

Vegeta wrote:

I found cci subs accurate enough for hunting but difficult to close the bolt on them in my cz452 lux

yes thats what im talking about with every round being difficult to close the bolt .. a few people i talked to said the same and they would never use them again ..

Vegeta

the hunter wrote:

yes thats what im talking about with every round being difficult to close the bolt .. a few people i talked to said the same and they would never use them again ..

yup I'm the same, went through the 100, they were accurate but they were the first 100 rounds through the rifle and I thought it was the rifle itself but then put in the eley subs and the difference is amazing. Cycle perfectly

I cant say a bad word against the cci subs accuarcy wise though. Better than the lapua club in my rifle.

I have never tried winchester subs though, will try and get some of them soon

the hunter

I have never tried winchester subs though, will try and get some of them soon[/QUOTE]

yeah try them .. they seem very popular around here (wexford) most dealers dont have them for too long

Hezz700

I use Winchester SuperX subs for all my hunting needs. Silent, violent and accurate. I've tried lots af fodder and always go back to SuperX.

For the little bit of paper punching i do, i find Lapua club consistent.

My brother recently aqquired a Cz 452, 50th anniversary Model and it will be very interesting to see how it compares ammo wise to my standard rig.

Hezz

the hunter

Hezz700 wrote:

I use Winchester SuperX subs for all my hunting needs. Silent, violent and accurate. I've tried lots af fodder and always go back to SuperX.

yeah thats them great all rounder .. im the same tried a few different brands but always end up back with winchester

zaitsev

Have had the same problem with CCi subs, difficult to close the bolt on a CZ 452, have tried various brands but the best performer for me has been the Lapua subs.

Hezz700

zaitsev wrote:

Have had the same problem with CCi subs, difficult to close the bolt on a CZ 452, have tried various brands but the best performer for me has been the Lapua subs.

Have the bunnies gone into hiding over your way, now that your back???:D

ArthurJ

Here's a link to a 22LR ammo test.
Very interesting results and really confirms that every gun is an individual.

The author sums up as follows

"One thing I have learnt from running this test, and that is the incredible inconsistency with all of the ammo tested, except the ELEY TENEX".



http://www.accuratereloading.com/22rf.html

Sparks

Lapua Midas L performed well in there as well, but frankly, if your test is done using a 10/22, I think perhaps you're not really testing the ammunition...

ArthurJ

Sparks wrote:

Lapua Midas L performed well in there as well, but frankly, if your test is done using a 10/22, I think perhaps you're not really testing the ammunition...

Sparks
CZ452, Anschutz 1808, 10/22 thats a decent test.

fred funk }{

What are we talking here Silver, silhouettes with a CZ? ISSF targets with an Anschutz? Bunnies with a Ruger? Paper targets with a Browning Buckmark?

Hi Sparks,

I'm shooting paper targets on the range at 100m and 50m with a CZ 452 Varmint.


Looks like I've been using the wrong stuff thus far so I think I'll get as many different types of ammo that I can and try them out because it seems that even two of the very same rifles, firing the same ammo can have different results, am I correct?

zaitsev

Hezz700 wrote:

Have the bunnies gone into hiding over your way, now that your back???:D

No, they have'nt got the message yet but i'm working on it. A bit off thread heard there is a new gun shop opening in Carlow ??

ArthurJ

Silver Knight wrote:

Hi Sparks,

I'm shooting paper targets on the range at 100m and 50m with a CZ 452 Varmint.


Looks like I've been using the wrong stuff thus far so I think I'll get as many different types of ammo that I can and try them out because it seems that even two of the very same rifles, firing the same ammo can have different results, am I correct?

Silver
Yes your right.

If you keep records you can choose an ammo type that suits your pocket/accuracy requirments.

The "right" ammo, for your particular gun, can make a big difference, no matter what type of shooting you do.

Best of luck.

Hezz700

zaitsev wrote:

No, they have'nt got the message yet but i'm working on it. A bit off thread heard there is a new gun shop opening in Carlow ??

Yep, its only getting setup at the moment, according to the guy i met there they will be fully stocked and ready to roll in 2 weeks.

the hunter

zaitsev wrote:

No, they have'nt got the message yet but i'm working on it. A bit off thread heard there is a new gun shop opening in Carlow ??

and theres a new shop in gorey

Sparks

ArthurJ wrote:

Sparks
CZ452, Anschutz 1808, 10/22 thats a decent test.

No, it really isn't.
Get yourself a couple of proper target rifles (Anschutz, FWB, Walther, whatever, just proper target shooting bull-barrelled rifles), pull their actions out and drop them into a benchtesting vice (the kind that rolls back with the recoil), then run a few thousand rounds of each kind through each barrel, cleaning properly between each type of ammunition, on an indoor range. Then plot the groups, figure out the statistics that go with them (not just edge-to-edge measurements, but standard deviation as well), and that is a good test.

With the test he ran, we don't know if it was indoors or outdoors, if the rifles were properly cleaned between runs, if they were shot from the shoulder or from a rest or from a vice, how many rounds were fired, what condition they were in, etc, etc, etc.

rrpc

Sparks wrote:

No, it really isn't.
Get yourself a couple of proper target rifles (Anschutz, FWB, Walther, whatever, just proper target shooting bull-barrelled rifles), pull their actions out and drop them into a benchtesting vice (the kind that rolls back with the recoil), then run a few thousand rounds of each kind through each barrel, cleaning properly between each type of ammunition, on an indoor range. Then plot the groups, figure out the statistics that go with them (not just edge-to-edge measurements, but standard deviation as well), and that is a good test.

With the test he ran, we don't know if it was indoors or outdoors, if the rifles were properly cleaned between runs, if they were shot from the shoulder or from a rest or from a vice, how many rounds were fired, what condition they were in, etc, etc, etc.

I was amazed that the test metrics were not outlined fully considering the amount of tests that were run. I found it extremely unhelpful. According to the article, they shot 3 five shot groups at 50m with each rifle/ammo combination.

Hardly an exhaustive test.

Hezz700

the hunter wrote:

and theres a new shop in gorey

Thats just Paul walshs new place, he's moved the shop away from the house.

the hunter

Hezz700 wrote:

Thats just Paul walshs new place, he's moved the shop away from the house.

thats right . he is the the local rag this week

the hunter

Hezz700 wrote:

Thats just Paul walshs new place, he's moved the shop away from the house.

i might drop in over the weekend to have a look .. although i still prefer to go to lambert ...

Hezz700

the hunter wrote:

i might drop in over the weekend to have a look .. although i still prefer to go to lambert ...

I can't say i'm familliar with Lambert! Person or place???

the hunter

Hezz700 wrote:

I can't say i'm familliar with Lambert! Person or place???

sorry hezz
i meant john lambert he is in camolin

Hezz700

the hunter wrote:

sorry hezz
i meant john lambert he is in camolin

Cheers H,

I must pay him a visit sometime. What way does his interests lean? I find that some dealers can be more orientated towards shotguns than rifles or vise versa. which is a pain in the a*** if you've travelled a long way only to find they don't have what you need.

Hezz

the hunter

Hezz700 wrote:

Cheers H,

I must pay him a visit sometime. What way does his interests lean? I find that some dealers can be more orientated towards shotguns than rifles or vise versa. which is a pain in the a*** if you've travelled a long way only to find they don't have what you need.

Hezz

yeah if you get the chance call in.. he does everything a very small gun room though but very very helpful and chatty

bunny shooter

.243 wrote:

thought american eagle ammo was 40 in a box ???

The batch I got were 50 round boxes....I have seen 40 round boxes too

bunny shooter

Got the american eagle in Paul O'Hallorans in Drangan, Co. Tipp late last year

ArthurJ

Sparks wrote:

No, it really isn't.
Get yourself a couple of proper target rifles (Anschutz, FWB, Walther, whatever, just proper target shooting bull-barrelled rifles), pull their actions out and drop them into a benchtesting vice (the kind that rolls back with the recoil), then run a few thousand rounds of each kind through each barrel, cleaning properly between each type of ammunition, on an indoor range. Then plot the groups, figure out the statistics that go with them (not just edge-to-edge measurements, but standard deviation as well), and that is a good test.

With the test he ran, we don't know if it was indoors or outdoors, if the rifles were properly cleaned between runs, if they were shot from the shoulder or from a rest or from a vice, how many rounds were fired, what condition they were in, etc, etc, etc.

In the context of your average bloke, using an average gun, trying to get a grip on the ammo issue, it was a reasonable test.
We’re all aware of the requirements of high end target shooting.

The original post states "I have just taken up target shooting, nothing serious"


Best of luck

rrpc

ArthurJ wrote:

In the context of your average bloke, using an average gun, trying to get a grip on the ammo issue, it was a reasonable test.

It actually wasn't a reasonable test by any measure. 15 shots of each type of ammo, does not constitute a good test, edge to edge measurement of the group is also not a good measurement. Depending on how the rounds were fired as Sparks said could result in fliers which will affect the edge to edge measurement of the group.

Whether it was indoors or outdoors will also affect the group size. You have to be able to discount these, and the best way is to get the fall of each shot and get an average and a standard deviation.

If you're just testing ammo, then you use the best barrels available. If you are testing ammo/gun combinations, then you have to benchrest from the shoulder or clamp the barrel and action in a vice as Sparks described. Clamping the entire firearm in a vice usually gives very bad groups. Whichever method you use, you must do it indoors.

zaitsev

Anybody having problems getting 233 ammo, in particular Remington Accutips 55g.
Have been in three dealers in the south east today and none to be found. Plenty of UMC and Eagles okay, was told there was a problem with licensing or getting the stuff released in Dublin.

ArthurJ

rrpc wrote:

It actually wasn't a reasonable test by any measure. 15 shots of each type of ammo, does not constitute a good test, edge to edge measurement of the group is also not a good measurement. Depending on how the rounds were fired as Sparks said could result in fliers which will affect the edge to edge measurement of the group.

Whether it was indoors or outdoors will also affect the group size. You have to be able to discount these, and the best way is to get the fall of each shot and get an average and a standard deviation.

If you're just testing ammo, then you use the best barrels available. If you are testing ammo/gun combinations, then you have to benchrest from the shoulder or clamp the barrel and action in a vice as Sparks described. Clamping the entire firearm in a vice usually gives very bad groups. Whichever method you use, you must do it indoors.

Point taken.

So how doe’s the newcomer select ammo.

What would be your and Spark’s advice be to Silver and myself.



Best of luck.

Sparks

Well, if you're doing target shooting with a CZ, I'd say get yourself a hundred rounds of good ammo - Lapua Master (L and M), RWS R50, Eley Tenex (I wouldn't bother with the EPS myself, but maybe your rifle would like it), whatever is available. I wouldn't bother with the very cheap stuff myself.
Then pick a calm day and shoot off all of it on the same day at the same range in the same rifle from a rest with a scope, all in groups of ten.
Ten groups of ten in different spots on the same card, then change the card, clean the barrel, and do the next hundred.
Check the group shape and size at the end of the day, and that'll give you a good impression.

If you were doing ISSF stuff at a high level, I'd say go get batch tested ammo from the factory, but for a CZ shooting like you're doing, that's overkill.

I will say this thought - don't economise. Get the best ammo you can get, not the best ammo you can afford.