Travellers setting up camp in Sandyford

Glowing

I got the Luas to work this morning, and was amazed at the 'camp' that the travellers have set up for themselves in Sandyford - I think its Blackthorn road?

They have about 4 caravans, a picket fence, a load of pot plants and trees and across the road, they have a very large water container and a sink, just sitting there on the curb! They have completely taken over that junction! There is also a hose pipe going across the road and connecting to a supply belonging to one of the businesses.

I just think its unbelievable the way they are allowed make such a mess in the middle of an industrial estate - i've no problem with travellers generally (each to their own and all that), just the dirt and rubbish they leave behind. Looks like this gang are not planning to travel again anytime soon!

What are the legal implications here? I'm sure the local businesses are not too happy - is there anything anyone can do?

super_furry

There are no legal implications, they're above the law. If you or me were to attempt to set up home on private land like that we'd be locked up. They'll probably be moved along in a month or two after a nice 'incentive' from the local businesses affected.

egan007

Don't worry , it's on the south side, they will be moved on in a few days.

Glowing

egan007 wrote:

Don't worry , it's on the south side, they will be moved on in a few days.

They've been there 2 or 3 months I'd say .... they can stay there all they like, no skin off my nose, but I just think its strange the way they haven't been 'moved along' yet ....

Stark

They're there to calm house prices.

John Mason

they will be there until someone offers them enough money to go. the main guy in finglas is looking for 1.6 million, which apparently he going to get, the other small guys got €150,000 each and with it being on the southside, i am sure they will be looking for much more - free enterprise eh?

mikemac

AFAIK, it costs over €10,000 to get a High Court injunction so they will move on for a couple of thousand and make it seem like a bargain.

Some people call travellers stupid but they are far from that. Sure in situations like this they've as much legal knowledge as some barristers.

Similar situation happened on the Nenagh bypass a few years ago. It was completed but they couldn't declare it open as there were travellors on the embankment and I’m assuming they were looking for money as they were certainly in a strong bargaining position.

The county council came up with a good solution. They planted saplings and young trees all along the road so if any caravan ever moved onto the side of the road, they could moved on for damaging the saplings/trees.

Glowing

irishbird wrote:

they will be there until someone offers them enough money to go. the main guy in finglas is looking for 1.6 million, which apparently he going to get, the other small guys got €150,000 each and with it being on the southside, i am sure they will be looking for much more - free enterprise eh?

Seriously? No wonder they're always seen driving 4x4's!

John Mason

Glowing wrote:

Seriously? No wonder they're always seen driving 4x4's!

the 4x4's are bought with the proceeds of illegal stuff they sell, ie my car

stovelid

irishbird wrote:

they will be there until someone offers them enough money to go. the main guy in finglas is looking for 1.6 million, which apparently he going to get, the other small guys got €150,000 each and with it being on the southside, i am sure they will be looking for much more - free enterprise eh?

Are you saying that people pay illegally parked travelers to move on?

I can't see this somehow. Where did you hear this?

Edit: read back over other posts

joe_chicken

I remember passing them and they had Christmas lights on the caravans, they've been there a while.

John Mason

stovelid wrote:

Are you saying that people pay illegally parked travelers to move on?

I can't see this somehow. Where did you hear this?

Edit: read back over other posts

yeah, they do, its easier. the guy who was parked at Days Hotel in Ballymun got 1.5 million to move, cos he had been there are 20 years. its standard practice to move in and wait to get paid to move on. move in a building site and the builders will pay whatever it takes to get rid of you - hmmmmm maybe i should try this myself

Hail 2 Da Chimp

super_furry wrote:

If you or me were to attempt to set up home on private land like that we'd be locked up.

Oh that sounds like a challange -_-

Tusky

You cant live as a traveller in a modern day major European city. It just doesnt work. Their culture and tradtion (and im being careful not to knock it) just doesnt fit into a hustle and bustle busy city thats growing at the rate Dublin currently is. Its one thing to live that kind of life style down the country...but camping up at the side of the road in Dublin city? What kind of a place is that to bring up your children ?

I never understood halting sites either. Travellers choose the live the way they do because its part of their tradition & culture right ? How do halting sites fit into that ?

Lenin

irishbird wrote:

yeah, they do, its easier. the guy who was parked at Days Hotel in Ballymun got 1.5 million to move, cos he had been there are 20 years. its standard practice to move in and wait to get paid to move on. move in a building site and the builders will pay whatever it takes to get rid of you - hmmmmm maybe i should try this myself

Reminds me of a picture I saw before with a guy from China who wouldn't move out of a bunch of crappy flats. He wouldn't accept money I think, so the construction company started building around him...I'll try to get the pic

ah heres a link with the story too http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/the-hardest-nail-house-in-china-photo/

Anti

The best way i ever seen this handled before was in waterford. "they" waqited for the cream crackers to loeave the 'vans and petrol bombed them. Sicne then they dont come out of the haulting site much. Pretty dangerous way of doing it really, gas canisters and little micky jo, milley, paddy ect ect could have been near.

I work in sandyford, and i havnt noticed the cream crackers anywhere.

Glowing

Anti wrote:

I work in sandyford, and i havnt noticed the cream crackers anywhere.

They're on the road that runs between the Atrium and the big Leopardstown roundabout .... near Woodies.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

They're camaflogued so bcarful k?

super_furry

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote:

They're camaflogued so bcarful k?

They've started breading with ninjas.......

cance

Anti wrote:

I work in sandyford, and i havnt noticed the cream crackers anywhere.

how could you miss them?

the guys in work have nicknamed it tinker town. its right at the junction between the roundabout, the road to the luas, and the crossroads to microsoft/the beacon.

Its so funny seeing them in the mornings, sitting at their park bench in their pyjama's on the foot path eating their breakfast, watching the traffic/suits going by. A grand life to be sure!

They we're settled down by the luas carpark/new dev. but i think they were paid off to move... 100 yards up the road :P

CountryWise

they are there since last November.....
I see the kids going to school in the morning though so they are well settled.

cance

CountryWise wrote:

they are there since last November.....
I see the kids going to school in the morning though so they are well settled.

the little ginger feckers, yeah, they get on my bus. well behaved suprisingly.

layke

Travelers used to hold out so they would get cash to move on I don't know if this is the case. I've seen the guards up with them on more then one occasion and they have been there since before christmas.

I don't know how there isn't a black and white law covering this sort of crap.

pnd82

Have had many rows and stand offs with travellers over the years as we own a large site in the middle of a midlands town,
Have used various methods to get rid of them,
First time i spread pigs blood on the site got rid of them but caused trouble with neighbours and town was very smelly for a week or so,
Second time hired a bulldozer and told them i was going to take out each and every caravan one by one. they eventually said they would leave when i offloaded the bulldoxer from the lorry
Third time was alot easier just went completely psycho and matched the abuse and threats i was getting.

Each and every time cops were unable to do anything only ask them to leave and get laughed at. twice they looked for money off me and Every time i told i would shot and killed and had every threat under the sun made at me.
should be more laws and more severe ways of delaing with these people when they attempt to set up camp on private property

cance

pnd82 wrote:

should be more laws and more severe ways of delaing with these people when they attempt to set up camp on private property

they should all the rounded up and shipped to bare island in cork, then destroy the ferry. :eek:

melekalikimaka

if they are like the fellas in snatch, viva la travellers

the dag, the DAG

drdre

irishbird wrote:

they will be there until someone offers them enough money to go. the main guy in finglas is looking for 1.6 million, which apparently he going to get, the other small guys got €150,000 each and with it being on the southside, i am sure they will be looking for much more - free enterprise eh?

Lets become a traveller and make free money

BigTommyBomb

they should all the rounded up and shipped to bare island in cork, then destroy the ferry.

Yeah we should put them all in a big camp site and make them take nerve gas showers.

DarkJager

Na, we'll build a barbecue room. A massive room in the middle of nowhere; round all the travellers up and put them inside. Then pump some petrol through the sprinklers, bolt the door shut and **** a match through a small opening in the wall!!!!!

Glowing

Is there not a big halting site just up the road near Bewleys and the M50 roundabout? Wonder why they don't camp there instead, unless it IS money they're after....

scojones

Moved from After Hours.

WindSock

They are there because their kids are getting help from STAG-Southside Travellers Action Group. They are based in Sandyford Industrial estate.

Anti

Ah i work in Microsoft. So i walk from the luas up and dont see them, What a shame...

Snake Plisken

Think a couple of cream crackers set up camp in templeogue a couple of years ago somewhere outside the Faughs GAA grounds, they lasted about 2 days someone petrol bombed the caravans. Don't like them at all very cruel to their animals.

Snake

kittenkiller

The particular group of travellers in question have been living in the Sandyford Industrial Estate for coming up to two years now.
They were originally down by the Stillorgan Luas line until the Beacon Apartments meant that they had to re-locate.

Living quite close by I haven't heard any complaints at all about them.
When they moved up to beside Woodies they left the area they had been living reasonably clean and in order.
A few of the young lads used to do a bit of begging at the luas stop but were never threatening or abusive, I even saw one of them hold the door open for a woman who was rushing to get her ticket out of the machine so that she wouldn't miss the tram and he didn't even give her a sideways glance to get any money from her for his trouble.

They keep their home in good condition and take pride in their surroundings.
The mess up that way at the moment is purely caused by all the roadworks going on around them.

They're alright in my book and I wouldn't be the most tolerant person out there.
Don't tar them all with the same brush guys.

Tha Gopher

*wipes eyes*


Wait, where are the PC brigade? They used to report these threads for locking 10 minutes into their existence. However they dont seem to be around as much as before.


*bets 50 euro the opinions of many of them have changed after having been assaulted/robbed/negatively affected by them in the last few months*


Honestly, they are joint with central bank rocker kids and Roma beggars in terms of what Ireland could live without. Actually scratch that, at least most rockers grow out of it and actually get a job at some point. As someone said, if they tried this pay us and it will work out cheaper scam on property I owned, it would be two grand to some heads to burn their vans in the dead of night.

kittenkiller wrote:

Living quite close by I haven't heard any complaints at all about them.
When they moved up to beside Woodies they left the area they had been living reasonably clean and in order.
A few of the young lads used to do a bit of begging at the luas stop but were never threatening or abusive, I even saw one of them hold the door open for a woman who was rushing to get her ticket out of the machine so that she wouldn't miss the tram and he didn't even give her a sideways glance to get any money from her for his trouble.

Meh, maybe, after so many years of nothing but negativity from them its hard to care. Even if they are respectful, they shouldnt be begging.

Stark

Tha Gopher wrote:

Meh, maybe, after so many years of nothing but negativity from them its hard to care. Even if they are respectful, they shouldnt be begging.

Tbh, settled people bring up their fair share of brats.

The Gopher wrote:

*wipes eyes*


Wait, where are the PC brigade? They used to report these threads for locking 10 minutes into their existence. However they dont seem to be around as much as before.

There was an exodus after we told them we were all paedophile apologists. Their departure was met with much rejoicing.

Feral Mutant

cance wrote:

they should all the rounded up and shipped to bare island in cork, then destroy the ferry. :eek:

Noone deserves to be sent to Cork.

Goldfinger

kittenkiller wrote:

The particular group of travellers in question have been living in the Sandyford Industrial Estate for coming up to two years now.
They were originally down by the Stillorgan Luas line until the Beacon Apartments meant that they had to re-locate.

Living quite close by I haven't heard any complaints at all about them.
When they moved up to beside Woodies they left the area they had been living reasonably clean and in order.
A few of the young lads used to do a bit of begging at the luas stop but were never threatening or abusive, I even saw one of them hold the door open for a woman who was rushing to get her ticket out of the machine so that she wouldn't miss the tram and he didn't even give her a sideways glance to get any money from her for his trouble.

They keep their home in good condition and take pride in their surroundings.
The mess up that way at the moment is purely caused by all the roadworks going on around them.

They're alright in my book and I wouldn't be the most tolerant person out there.
Don't tar them all with the same brush guys.

You're right, that group certainly aren't the worst, but they're not the best either.
They at least have put out a few flower pots and the like outside their caravans which certainly make a difference, but the place is still absolutely destroyed by them and I'm getting a little sick of them playing chicken with me by deliberately swerving towards me in their Hi-ace (why is always a Hi-ace?) as I cycle past their encampment. They keep lighting fires on the side of the road which is really annoying too. I was always under the impression that was illegal.

I'm one of the poor buggers who has the misfortune to live in the apartment block across the road from the travellers, just a few feet really, (with my bedroom window facing them) and when the industrial estate goes quiet after around eight at night the travellers are all you can hear- their ridiculously noisy generator (more than a few sleepless nights from that thing), their habit of playing Joe Dolan at one in the morning so loud it'd wake the dead, and this is on a weeknight, and best of all the fights.
They insist on coming back home at half six in the morning, absolutely muntered, and pucking the heads off each other while 5 and 6 year old kids watch and assist them as they pause to put on boxing gloves that the children have brought out.

They've been there for almost six months believe it or not, and now that I think about it, I reckon that's enough for me.

Obviously, my enquiries to Stepaside garda station about the legal status of such an encampment, and whether there were plans to house them somewhere or just to move them on from land where they're clearly trespassing was met with much chortling and stifled guffaws by the fine member of the force I was dealing with :rolleyes: .

Marathon Man

Tha Gopher wrote:

*bets 50 euro the opinions of many of them have changed after having been assaulted/robbed/negatively affected by them in the last few months*

Dam bloody straight. Its only a matter of time before most people are messed around by travellers in some way or another. The majority if not all of the traveller apologists I've come across have never had any contact with them. I live near a halting site and have been saying for years that it is only a matter of time before someone dies a s a result of extremely reckless driving on their behalf. A few weeks ago i was proved correct as anyone who follows the news will know.
A large majority of them derive their livelihood from crime and i firmly believe that if one lives in close proximity to a site then ones life expectancy is severely compromised.
Remember underestimate their capacity for inhumanity at your own peril.

Tha Gopher

Preusme you are from Tallaght, regarding the tourists mown down? As bad was the case there years ago with the girl nearly killed by two gangs of them battling in their cars, then intimidating the familiy out of the area. tbh many of the comments by the pro side in the numerous debates on the issue here over the years are grossly offensive to working class people who dont get spoon fed by the state (as people said, unless your surname is McDonagh/Ward etc and your family has been doing it for generations, you arent allowe to camp anywhere you like)

What annoys me is that, like the case of that kid, or attacking old people down the country, so much of their activity seems to be "lowest of the low" type crime.

lightening

Tha Gopher wrote:

like the case of that kid

Yeah, shocking story... They were ramming each other in their cars over some imature family fued, one of them lost control and hammered a mother and kid against iron railings. The child, Elisabeth Heaps (I think) was horrifically injured. The worst thing is, the travellers sent a car to park outside the parents house everynight (full of big travellers) to stare in at the family and intimidate them in to not sueing them!

I had dealings with travellers moving in on a sports ground. The trick is to block them in. We got a JCB and moved HUGE blocks of granite in front of the entrance and exit. They hated it. We told them we would move the block for an hour every day. They were gone the next day.

I found them very very difficult to deal with. Their thinking was so alien, they just couldn't be reasonable! They offered to buy a snarling bull mastiff that we thought would scare them!

Tha Gopher

Yeah. A friend of a friend once got scammed by them, he foolishly gave them 150 euro on the promise of a fishing rod they showed him a photo of on their digital camera. When he went down to the encampment when they didnt return they told him to go fcuk himself.

Later that night he and his brothers went back, managed to tip one caravan into the river and set two of their vans on fire


ROFL at the dog story Anyone recall when they wrecked the golf course near Dunsink, and carved the words "OPEN RAODS" (sic) into the grass? Another time I saw a protest at the Dail, on their signs they hadnt even bothered checking the spelling, it looked like a joke.

lightening

That was certainly foolish as you say.

Tha Gopher wrote:

Later that night he and his brothers went back, managed to tip one caravan into the river and set two of their vans on fire

Bad idea. He could have ended up in the joy for eleven years. They leave their kids asleep in the caravans unatended.

Tabnabs

A mate of mine had a few caravans parked up near his family home in Laois. His father happened upon them one day with the tractor and slurry trailer attached. The weirdest thing was that a valve opened up just as the tractor was passing the encampment and sprayed the caravans with slurry. How unlucky was that?! Unfortunately the travellers took umbrage to this incident and moved out of the area. Shame...

Pythia

I used to work in a shopping centre right beside a settled traveller housing estate. There was two lovely little traveller kids who I used to pay to do things I didn't want to do in my shop like bring the rubbish to the bins or unassemble boxes. I could also give them use of the shop phone for 5 mins in return for doing a job for me.
These poor kids had some disease where they were actually in their twenties but looked like children. They were covered in these things that looked like freckles but were bigger and they also seemed to have jaundice (yellow skin).

There were also these sisters who used to walk around the centre in the tiniest most revealing clothing imaginable with lashings of fake tan and platinum blonde hair extensions. Was quite funny to see men admiring them then the look of shock when the travller girls opened their mouths. They were harmless though.

Apart from those, every other traveller who came in was unbelievably obnoxious and often tried to distract us while others tried to steal stock from the stock room.
I have had quite a bit of experience with them over the years and although they're not all bad, most are.

Gran Hermano

Tha Gopher wrote:

*wipes eyes*


Wait, where are the PC brigade? They used to report these threads for locking 10 minutes into their existence. However they dont seem to be around as much as before.

They are all in Leitrim for the week looking for Maddy

My favourite itinerant related tale; when they camped up in the car park of Phillips old Irish HQ in Clonskeagh
and refused to move on until each family received a trailer full each of new electrical equipment.

Collie D

Going against the grain here and am going to be accused of being in PC brigade but whoever paid money for a photo of a fishing rod is an idiot and desrves to be ripped off. Hardly a valid reason for (amongst other "solutions") arson, murder, extermination.... etc. that have been mentioned on here.

If somebody ripped me off I'd be unhappy with it and more than likely violence would ensue but burnng down someone's home?? Your mate is obvioulsy one gullible tool. Tell him I have a special offer on magic beans at the moment if he's interested.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Collie D wrote:

Going against the grain here and am going to be accused of being in PC brigade but whoever paid money for a photo of a fishing rod is an idiot and desrves to be ripped off. Hardly a valid reason for (amongst other "solutions") arson, murder, extermination.... etc. that have been mentioned on here.

If somebody ripped me off I'd be unhappy with it and more than likely violence would ensue but burnng down someone's home?? Your mate is obvioulsy one gullible tool. Tell him I have a special offer on magic beans at the moment if he's interested.

Not slagging you, but if you believed a load of ballix like that story your alittle gullible yourself my friend. I'm sure he was just talking BS.

Collie D

Mairt wrote:

Not slagging you, but if you believed a load of ballix like that story your alittle gullible yourself my friend. I'm sure he was just talking BS.

It was rather than the attitude than the actions I was pissed off at

ismynametoolong

Sorry if offend any liberal bleeding hearts ! But I have an absolute hatred of Travellers and all things traveller ! I used to work beside a traveller camp and every so often the travellers would Sh** into plastic bags and lob them over the wall as we were working . When something like this lands on your head its not too difficult to understand how one could form a negatrive opinion of these people.