need suggestions, pls help??

dmiesterwzere

i'm lookin to buy a new reliable and powerful GBB. one that goes over 300fps, won't break easily, under 150e and with metal body and slide so i can handle the most powerful gas(think dey come as satndard). looked at western arms too high and i wonder if there is any website dat sell something like wat i asked. also lookin for good BBs. are sensei any good????? any suggestions will be greatly appreciated and i will be grateful to you for da rest of me life. thanks.

Captain Chaos

The only GBBs I can think of that will do the job are the KJW P226/P229 and the KJW M9s. They are all metal, good quality and will fire at or above 300fps with HFC 22 gas.

kdouglas

yup, i agree with that, have the hfc m9 (identical to the kjw) and get about 315fps on an average day, thing is with gas is that your fps changes with the temperature, so in summer you'll get a bit more power out of them, but with irish weather, i'd say the difference is maybe 30fps of a difference

ED E

I have a KJW M9, Metal slide, frame mag, hammer, plastic grips(Ie, 95% metal) and it works great in warm weather with propane. I havent chronoed it but I'd say it does at least 300 in good waether.

I have dropped it around 6 times resulting in only slight cosmetic damage. Some versions come in Stainless steel(Ie. No paint) but from the pics i've seen alot of them show up every little scratch.

I got ripped off but here
(Umarex M92 with metal top slide)

Do RSOV do a Kjw M9? think they do:D

kdouglas

not sure if rsov do, but ehobby definitely do

Edit: yup, rsov have the kjw too

dmiesterwzere

Are HFC Glock 17 any good??

dmiesterwzere

can the KJW M9 Elite IA Full Metal go over 300fps?????? i'm worried about d accuracy of these guns bcos dey dont seem to hav any hop-up.

kdouglas

dmiesterwzere wrote:

can the KJW M9 Elite IA Full Metal go over 300fps?????? i'm worried about d accuracy of these guns bcos dey dont seem to hav any hop-up.

yup, should easily get overe 300fps with green gas/propane in the summer

hfc definitely has a hopup, but it's a fixed hop. kjw is the same i think

Captain Chaos

KJWs have adjustable hopups (think HFC do aswell). I never had to adjust the hopup on the 226 I have and I was suprised at how accurate it was out of the box.

That M9 Elite will do 310fps out of the box with the right gas in good weather.

ED E

My M9 has fixed hopup which is grand. GBB dont have super range but i can shatter clothes-pegs at 30-40ft. Over that range just use an AEG. GBBs are for buildings and if you run out of ammo.

(PS: get a Propane adaptor off airsoft-innovations.com, then can use propane tanks which are much cheaper.)

dmiesterwzere

which M9 is it?? HFC KJW or KSC cos it sounds really good

Harekin

My KJW M92f "Vertec" is full metal, with adjustable hop-up. Cost $95 (excluding shipping), well worth it.

ED E

dmiesterwzere wrote:

which M9 is it?? HFC KJW or KSC cos it sounds really good

Its labelled Umarex but really is KJW, but i got ripped off at £95!(exc. Shipping)

Harekin

Just go for the KJ Works one, it doesnt have all the silly looking (large) fake trademarks and stuff that some of the rebranded ones have.

dmiesterwzere

if u don't mind me asking wat do u think of the HFC M190 Full Metal? I've been hearin dat they break easily and its the only gun in my price range if i want to get a spare 300 round mag, sling and a scope for me TM M16A2.

kdouglas

hfc is grand, managed to break the full auto on mine after about a week, but kinda have it fixed again. if your going to get one, just get the semi-auto version, full auto is fun, but not worth the hassle tbh, other than that, it's a great pistol

[--SC(+)PE--]

Fully agreed with Kdouglas, Ive 2 of them and love them but you are better off getting the semi only version tbh

Spitfire666

if you like the western arms pistols, have a look at the WE ones. thery are exacty the same models of the WA guns.

dmiesterwzere

took a look at them. not so much in favour of Colt M1911s but i'm jst taken away by 92s. dont no y but dey jst look so damn good. any1 agree?????

dmiesterwzere

does any1 no if u can use Marui GBB parts on the HFC M190 like its magazine and upgrade spring????????????????????????????

Fallschirmjager

dmiesterwzere wrote:

does any1 no if u can use Marui GBB parts on the HFC M190 like its magazine and upgrade spring????????????????????????????

i would wing an email to uncompany or wgc to ask -- if you dont get an answer here...

kdouglas

dmiesterwzere wrote:

does any1 no if u can use Marui GBB parts on the HFC M190 like its magazine and upgrade spring????????????????????????????

as far as i know, all the marui parts are compatible

dmiesterwzere

i really hope it does work. jst asked hobby asia if they did. when u fire GBBs do you use .12g or .20g?????????????????

Wossack

dmiesterwzere wrote:

i really hope it does work. jst asked hobby asia if they did. when u fire GBBs do you use .12g or .20g?????????????????

pretty much always use .20g, I think because .12g are badly effected by the hopup... as far as I can gather anyway

o1s1n

Only use .12g in a springer or something you don't really care about.

Shiva

o1s1n wrote:

something you don't really care about.

Someone else's gun ?

o1s1n

Shiva wrote:

Someone else's gun ?

*volunteers KDouglas's p90*

Wossack

are .12g damaging to airsoft guns?

o1s1n

They are indeed.

If you look closely at them, they always have bad seam lines. Some are even bent out of shape and have extra bits of plastic on them.

They'll destroy an AEG.

kdouglas

o1s1n wrote:

*volunteers KDouglas's p90*

*** slaps o1s1n in the head with butt-stock of p90

Shiva

kdouglas wrote:

*** slaps o1s1n in the head with butt-stock of p90

Probably more effective than shooting him with it, alright....


/runs

o1s1n

Shiva wrote:

Probably more effective than shooting him with it, alright....


/runs

Considered saying that myself but feared the retaliation from the p90 fans in here.

God speed Shiva. God speed!

Wossack

o1s1n wrote:

They are indeed.

If you look closely at them, they always have bad seam lines. Some are even bent out of shape and have extra bits of plastic on them.

They'll destroy an AEG.

ah ok, Ive high quality grounded kwa .12g ones for plinking in my bedroom. Sure you could say the same about cheaply moulded .20g bbs so. The weight is pretty irrelevent..

o1s1n

Wossack wrote:

ah ok, Ive high quality grounded kwa .12g ones for plinking in my bedroom. Sure you could say the same about cheaply moulded .20g bbs so. The weight is pretty irrelevent..

The reasoning behind it anyway is that 99% of 12g bbs are crap quality.

I have yet to see high quality ones. KWA do .12g quality grounded? Are you sure? Have a link by any chance? I've never heard of that...? odd.

kdouglas

Shiva wrote:

Probably more effective than shooting him with it, alright....


/runs

That's it Shiva, your dead after school

Wossack

o1s1n wrote:

The reasoning behind it anyway is that 99% of 12g bbs are crap quality.

I have yet to see high quality ones. KWA do .12g quality grounded? Are you sure? Have a link by any chance? I've never heard of that...? odd.

I bought em years ago, so not sure if you can still get em. Mixed colour bottle of 2000 (I think). Think theyre very good quality - seen the cheap .12g ones you mentioned alright, nasty mould lines etc gf's younger brother got a springer with crappy .12gs, and a few got mixed up mine, so gotta check em before I load em now

they seem better then the .20g I got with my TM anyway, they're a much harder plastic - think Ive seen a few of my TM ones dented, or deformed anyway. Never seen any of these .12g like that - if they break, they completely split apart or explode the wind, and the hopup plays havoc with them though, so no outdoors with em

o1s1n

Actually, I HAVE seen those .12g bbs you're talking about. I got a tiny bag of them with my KWA Mac 11. The surface of them was pretty perfect.

Didn't put them anywhere near it though. I'm pretty sure the whole "dont use .12g bbs" is a weight issue as well as a quality one.

No point risking it when .2g bbs are nice and cheap.

ASI Casper

Put some .12gs in a near 1J airsoft with the hop-up on full and suddenly you've got an anti-aircraft gun!
Not to mention the fact that they get blown off course a lot easier too...

As o1s1n says, it's a practicality issue with the weight as well as the quality issue with most .12g. They're only really intended for cheap springer pistols.

liamo333

Airsoft Scotland have some high quality .12g bb's.

Spitfire666

they would also shatter on impact with the likes of a face mask. would be a bad idea to use them as a mesh mask would shatter the bb into tiny pieces that would travel through and the victim would be quite just in giving the shooter a kicking.

dmiesterwzere

confirmed .12g bbs should be only used in plinkers not AEGs. is it true that Marui guns (M16A2, AUG, G3, MP5) can only take in M120 spring without any further upgrades eg. new piston, tapper plate etc. and any more high powered spring eg. M130, M140 will break the gun bcos the body is plastic. (i definitely no for sure dis doesn't apply to ICS guns since they can take far higher springs).??????????????????????

Spitfire666

i wouldnt go higher anyway as you cant use it in a game.and they are illegal to use at the power. not to mention the kicking...lol

Wossack

doesnt an m120 give 370+ fps?

Spitfire666

it will give you around 350/360 and will bed down to legal after a while.

Harekin

M120 would give you around 390fps (M in that meaning m/s) so not a chance it would go bed down to legal.

kdouglas

there's a couple of spring comparison's available online here and here which are useful, either way, an m120 is over the legal limit, so if you want to upgrade, stick with something at 1 Joule maximum

dmiesterwzere

wat scope would you recommend for a Armalite like a M16A2, the ones without a carrying handle. Do u really need a 20mm rail or can you get d ones dat fit through the hole in the carrying handle????????????????? any abswers will b appreciated

[--SC(+)PE--]

You can get 20mm rails that fit on m4 carryhandles over at ehobbyasia, personally i prefer the optics mounted without a carry handle ,any sort f reddot scope/reflex site or very low powered scope would be sufficient

Spitfire666

heres a site with loads of great scopes.
http://www.ncstar.com

I have this http://www.ncstar.com/productDetails.php?PID=63 onmy CA M15A4 and it does the job nicely and doesnt look half bad. the rubber shell on thn the outside of the scopes metal casing is great for deflecting BBs that might damage the paint on a normal scope.

Wossack

alot of the carry handles on the armalites are removeable, so you get the benefit of both the railed reciever, and the classic armalite iron sights

dmiesterwzere

unfortunately i dont hav the luxury of removing d carrying handle and slap on a Aimpoint or ACOG. my TM M16A2 aint one of those guns and d 20mm rail aint in stock at hobbyasia.