June Mix collaboration - your suggestions go here

cornbb

Right folks! Its that time of the month again. This thread is to see what the consensus is on what our June mix project should consist of, and to see who is willing to contribute.

So first off, a quick poll - do we want to do an original, a cover or a remix? Please vote and post your suggestions and what you are willing to contribute (instrumental tracks, drum loops, mastering skills, ability to source cheap coke'n'hookers, etc)

So give your 2 cents here and we'll come to some sort of consensus!

TelePaul

I think something that'll get everyone involved. Are we gonna be trading tracks or downloading a template?

cornbb

TelePaul wrote:

I think something that'll get everyone involved.

Yes, I think thats the most important thing to consider at this stage.

Are we gonna be trading tracks or downloading a template?

I'm open to suggestion on this. Someone needs to get the ball rolling, e.g. with a full length accompaniment/melody or a few bars of drums or something. Once we have that then we'll have the key/tonality and tempo decided upon. Anyone else who then wants to get involved can then chip in whatever they like - we can exchange 320kbps mp3 files via www.box.net or something, so it wouldn't be specific to Cubase, Logic or whatever.

Anyway, this thread is initially just to get people's opinions on what we should/shouldn't do - so keep the ideas coming!

cornbb

I'm gonna unsticky this for a while in the hope more people will see it.

Any further interest?

TelePaul

Where is everyone?

unclebill98

So, whats this all about then?

TelePaul

Okay gentlemen, three is enough to get the ball rolling, no? I'll have some stuff by Monday, probably a rough drum template...so generally speaking, fats or slow? We can decide on whether to track a cover or an original later.

squibs

Or we could select a creative commons licensed track from here
http://ccmixter.org/
and have a mix-off...

thebookofbob

I could do with the practice so I'm in.

thebookofbob

Just need a nudge in the genre direction..

TelePaul

So are we going down the mix-off road? I can put a drum loop together now otherwise.

squibs

Go for it TP - we can do the mix-off another time.

cornbb

Oh yay, here we go

I'll throw together a few synth melodies once the drums are done. Who's gonna volunteer to do the arranging and/or mixing and PP?

squibs

Niall's doing the fairy dust

judas101

i actally did finsh the joy division cover for last months project when i had some free time but never posted it up anywhere.

cant promise ill get around to contributing this month but would prefer to do a cover instead of an original which will inevitably get complicated.

J

artvandulet

Id be happy to contribute. Live gtrs or something. Maybe some string arrangements, whatever.

TelePaul

Okay, I'm sacrificing lethal weapon 4 for this! Some up-tempo generic rock beats I think....how should I post it? Should I e-mail it someone via yousendit? Cornb maybe?

brettzy

This sounds really cool, I'm in. What is needed??

TelePaul

brettzy wrote:

This sounds really cool, I'm in. What is needed??

Well I'm doing the drums...it'll be up-tempo and I'll try work a basic structure. I'm, not too hot with anything else, maybe a very basic guitar part but I think once the drums are done, we should decide on a Key and chordal structure, possibly a melody line too. We can do the drums first because they contribute no melodic content.

Seeing as this is an original, we will need, and this is by no means exhaustive:

Drums
Bass
Acoustic (Lead/Rhythm?)
Electric (Lead/Rhythm?)
Vocals!!
More vocals!
Piano
Strings
Soft Synths/General Weirdness
Someone to mix
Someone to Master??? Or at least master-limit the life out of it!

TelePaul

Okay I think I'll work on three loops the first should be ready by tonight, it's 150 BPM heavy rock. I think we should post all three and vote on the one we like most.

TelePaul

All track's done. Details as follows:

Track 1
Style: Rock Ballad
Tempo: 75 BPM
Structure:

Bars 1-8 = Intro
Bars 9-16= 1st Verse
Bars 17-20 = Chorus
Bars 21-28 = 2nd Verse
Bars 29-32 = Chorus
Bars 33-40 = Bridge
Bars 41-48 = 3rd Verse
Bars 49-52 = Chorus
Bars 53-56 = Outro Chorus

Notes: Slow. 80's. Bon Jovi was my inspiration. Suit keys/synths. Long bridge for epic guitar solo.

Track 2
Style: Generic Pop
Tempo: 120 BPM
Structure:

Bars 1-8 = Intro
Bars 9-24 = 1st Verse
Bars 25-28 = Interlude (witheld chorus)
Bars 29-44 = 2nd Verse
Bars 45 -52 = Chorus
Bars 53-68 = Bridge
Bars 69-84 = 3rd Verse
Bars 85-92 = Chorus
Bars 93-100 = Outro Chorus

Notes: Generic pop, folk-rock. Would suit most instruments. Note 4 bars of witheld chorus - keeps em guessin!

Track 3
Style: Hard Rock
Tempo: 150 BPM
Structure:

Bars 1-16 = Intro
Bars 17-32 = First Verse
Bars 33-40 = First Chorus
Bars 41-56 = Second Verse
Bars 57-64 = Second Chorus
Bars 65-80 = Middle 16 (Bridge/Solo)
Bars 81-96 = Third Verse
Bars 97-104 = Third Chorus
Bars 105-112 = Outro Chorus

Notes: Dark, roomy drums. Fast Tempo. Better for guitarists.

Can all be downloaded at http://www.box.net/shared/y7za90nsnf
Sorry if the quality aint up to scratch, exhausted from work.

cornbb

It might be an idea to register at www.box.net and host your files there, make them public, and link to them from here. That way everyone can listen and use em to start on something themselves. Better off to just send MIDI or MP3s at this stage as WAV/AIFF would be a bit bulky at this stage.

Nice work!

TelePaul

Okay I'll get em up by tomorrow night hopefully.

frobisher

This should be fun!

TelePaul

bumping, tracks are doen, see link above.

artvandulet

Ok, Ill stick down a bass line to one and ill happily add instrumentation(strings/ ebow and fx) to the bridge of the others. Hows that?
Should we make a list of who's doin what so we don't double up or whats the plan?

TelePaul

artvandulet wrote:

Ok, Ill stick down a bass line to one and ill happily add instrumentation(strings/ ebow and fx) to the bridge of the others. Hows that?
Should we make a list of who's doin what so we don't double up or whats the plan?

Hold up a sec. Glad you like the tracks, but I think it's best we focus on one for now. I also think agreeing on melodic content is the first step, before we break out our marshalls fenders and e bows (e bows rock).

So to make sure we're all singing from the same hym sheet....what track will it be? Choose the backing, propose a chordal structure and we'll take it from there.

TelePaul

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

I like the 150bpm if we're going for something a bit rocky, it has a bit of balls.

The 75bpm is nice if we're doing something a bit more acoustic/electronic/ambient/laid back.

The 120bpm is a bit middle of the road. And driving on the middle of the road is dangerous.

So my vote is for the 150 or 75. Nice work by the way.

I like the 75 myself, more my thing. Though the 150 is kinda Sabbath, Purple that kinda thing.

artvandulet

I just jumped the gun and lashed out a quick rocky bass line to the 150BPM one. Nice and straightforward. In E with a G A G A E chorus and mid eight in D n A as far as I recall. Very straightforward. Has a reoccuring little riff thats Bb A G E x3. Don't mind scrapping it if your not into it but here ye go...

http://www.box.net/shared/8n0oyzn201



Have a listen with the drum track too though as this is the bass track on its own.

cornbb

Excellent, things are moving!! I'll do some synth fills or something like that tomorrow. Are we going with 150bpm so? I'd be happy with that or the 75, whatever the consensus is.

TelePaul

75 or 150? 75 or 150? Cornb you're the mod, you choose!!!

cornbb

Ahhhh the responsibility!

Lets go for the 150 so, its a bit livelier like that. Maybe we can get the whole thing critiqued on the Songwriting forum when its done

TelePaul

artvandulet wrote:

I just jumped the gun and lashed out a quick rocky bass line to the 150BPM one. Nice and straightforward. In E with a G A G A E chorus and mid eight in D n A as far as I recall. Very straightforward. Has a reoccuring little riff thats Bb A G E x3. Don't mind scrapping it if your not into it but here ye go...

http://www.box.net/shared/8n0oyzn201



Have a listen with the drum track too though as this is the bass track on its own.

Looks like you got the gig mate. Can you bang up a chord chart for the musically inept here?

artvandulet

I'd say, better still, whoever is doing gtr or keys comes up with something and we work from there. That thing I did was very rushed and can be easily bettered. No point in starting out with a mediocre chord progression.
I'll post it if yis really want to go ahead with it though.

My two cents, after having a couple of days to think about it would be that the 150BPM Hard Rock doesn't lend itself to much in the way of experimentation. Its gonna end up being a 2gtr bass and drums straight up rock tune whereas there is a lot more room for variation and more peoples contributions with the other two.

But I'll help out wherever yis let me. On any of them!

cornbb

artvandulet wrote:

I'd say, better still, whoever is doing gtr or keys comes up with something and we work from there. That thing I did was very rushed and can be easily bettered. No point in starting out with a mediocre chord progression.
I'll post it if yis really want to go ahead with it though.

My two cents, after having a couple of days to think about it would be that the 150BPM Hard Rock doesn't lend itself to much in the way of experimentation. Its gonna end up being a 2gtr bass and drums straight up rock tune whereas there is a lot more room for variation and more peoples contributions with the other two.

But I'll help out wherever yis let me. On any of them!

Thats the spirit Do whatever you're up for. I'm gonna do some sort of acid bassy synth fills, and maybe a few pads, but I'm gonna wait to see what someone comes up with some sort of lead melody first so I can shape it appropriately. I'd chance it on guitar myself but I got way too rusty way too long ago.

So far we have:
TelePaul's drums
artvandulet's bassline
Niall's doing piano
I'm doing synth pads/fills
(fill me in if I've missed anyone)

So we need someone to do:
Lead melody/melodies
Guitars
Vocals
Other instruments
Editing/arrangement
Mixing
Mastering

So come on lurkers, have we any more volunteers amongst you?

TelePaul

Well I think we can establish a few things about the rhythm/lead guitars.
It's heavy, so we'll be relying on fifth chords and a pentatonic riff. I think using the synths to emphasise the major and minor elemnts would work well.

artvandulet

cornbb wrote:

So far we have:
TelePaul's drums
artvandulet's bassline
Niall's doing piano
I'm doing synth pads/fills
(fill me in if I've missed anyone)

So we need someone to do:
Lead melody/melodies
Guitars
Vocals
Other instruments
Editing/arrangement
Mixing
Mastering

Dont' Forget Lyrics!


I'd be happy to take a stab at some harmony vox and a bit of 'other instruments';) too.

So what is the final choice of song anyway?

brettzy

I'll sign up for guitars, acoustic and/or electric.

Will it be mix-off at the end or is only one person taking on the job???

cornbb

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

You should stick this in the Songwriter forum too corn, bet there'd be plenty of people willing to whip some acoustic chord progressions down, and you're more likely to get somebody to do the vocals there too.

Nice idea, done!

By the way what's the story with reverb? Should all our parts be dry and the guy who's mixing decides on the reverb and compression etc?

I guess that depends on how you want your part to sound - usually it would be left til the mixing stage but if your track calls for a specific type of reverb there'd be no harm in doing it during the recording/composition stage.

brettzy wrote:

Will it be mix-off at the end or is only one person taking on the job???

We're still awaiting a volunteer for that task

artvandulet wrote:

So what is the final choice of song anyway?

Anything goes really but looks like we're going for the 150bpm piece with TelePaul's drums and your bassline.

TelePaul

cornbb wrote:

Anything goes really but looks like we're going for the 150bpm piece with TelePaul's drums and your bassline.

Yeah the bass soudned good, if you wanna clean it up and retrack that's fine.

artvandulet

Ok I'll redo that and repost it with chord chart.
Before I do that though,
Question? The last drum fill - I can't work out the timing here. It changes from 4/4 right at the end. There's a cymbal crash in there that keeps catching me out. Can you double check this?

TelePaul

artvandulet wrote:

Ok I'll redo that and repost it with chord chart.
Before I do that though,
Question? The last drum fill - I can't work out the timing here. It changes from 4/4 right at the end. There's a cymbal crash in there that keeps catching me out. Can you double check this?

The VERY last bit? Yeah it's still 4/4 but the empahsis changes, you may wanna just adjust to emphasis the hits and fade out.

frobisher

Niall - Dahlia wrote:

You should stick this in the Songwriter forum too corn, bet there'd be plenty of people willing to whip some acoustic chord progressions down, and you're more likely to get somebody to do the vocals there too.

Done and dusted.

artvandulet

TelePaul wrote:

The VERY last bit? Yeah it's still 4/4 but the empahsis changes, you may wanna just adjust to emphasis the hits and fade out.

It sounds like those 5 cymbal crashes come in half a beat to late.Theres a rest there that shouldn't be. Maybe its just me!!
Love it otherwise though

I'll just play along to it anyway.

TelePaul

artvandulet wrote:

It sounds like those 5 cymbal crashes come in half a beat to late.Theres a rest there that shouldn't be. Maybe its just me!!
Love it otherwise though

I'll just play along to it anyway.

Will check now.

artvandulet

my bass is temporarily out of commision. so as not to delay you heres the bass line done in reason so the rest of you can get on with it. I'll rerecord a live bass later on if you want. Or you can of course scrap it all together:D
Im happy to do something else entirely.

http://www.box.net/shared/9n4yxu6be2

Because its just a bass line - the chord structure is really up to the guitarists.
But basically Ive done this:
Intro - E
Verse - E
Chorus - G A G A E
Mid8 - D - E - D - E - D - B - C - E

Parsley

I was gonna offer my bass services! oh well, next time mebbe!

teamdresch

How much live instrumentation will there be?
I'm lurking away here, I'll provisonally offer to mix it, depending on how the song is shaping up.

TelePaul

Parsley wrote:

I was gonna offer my bass services! oh well, next time mebbe!

Overdub.

squibs

If I can find time, I'll try an alternate mix. Let teamdresch be the official mixer though - I might not be able to get to it.

TelePaul

Bump!

How is this going?